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How much money does it cost to go Off-Grid and to live on the Land?

 
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How much money does it cost to go Off-Grid and to live on the Land?
There are 10 things that you need to consider when going off grid and living on the land.



water

land

shelter

food

communication

power

warmth

transportation

protection

waste

1. One of the most important items to find when preparing to go off grid is land with running water on it. Everything else can be brought in but water is essential, one must have a good water source. Ideally, it would be nice if you also had a well on the land. It doesn't matter if there is a house on the property because you can build your own house for as little as $1,000 or for as much as you want, but water...running water would be a nice luxury. Not only do you need water for drinking but you also must have it to irrigate plants, support animals and if you have a decent running stream of water you can have all the electricity you want for FREE! However, even if you can't find a tract of land that has a stream or creek on it you can still set up a water catchment system so don't despair if you can't find water on the land...it's still in the sky!



2. Regarding land, some people say that...

"How Much Money Does it take to go Off the Grid?"
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There are 10 things that you need to consider when going off grid and living on the land.



water

land

shelter

food

communication

power

warmth

transportation

protection

waste

1. One of the most important items to find when preparing to go off grid is land with running water on it. Everything else can be brought in but water is essential, one must have a good water source. Ideally, it would be nice if you also had a well on the land. It doesn't matter if there is a house on the property because you can build your own house for as little as $1,000 or for as much as you want, but water...running water would be a nice luxury. Not only do you need water for drinking but you also must have it to irrigate plants, support animals and if you have a decent running stream of water you can have all the electricity you want for FREE! However, even if you can't find a tract of land that has a stream or creek on it you can still set up a water catchment system so don't despair if you can't find water on the land...it's still in the sky!



2. Regarding land, some people say that...

"How Much Money Does it take to go Off the Grid?"
[link to brie-hoffman.hubpages.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1462880


Depends on if you do it yourself or hire all the work done...I bought 63 acres for 30K cash, hired a bulldozer to clear some woods and build a Dam, and paid to have a well dug...but did everything else myself...including solar and wind power...I bought two tractors and some implements to mow the fields and plant a garden...it's a ton of work!
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Re: How much money does it cost to go Off-Grid and to live on the Land?
250k ish just for the gear, this doesn't include the land or the house

I've done it
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Well .. i think your setup is way beyond most preppers possibilities.

On a smaller scale, my number is:

10k every year for 10 years without land or house to cover the basics, not in the best but in a workable way.
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Re: How much money does it cost to go Off-Grid and to live on the Land?
Dont worrie about water..you will have enough once the great flod comes..lol.
Well, in Sweden you dont need 250k usd..land in a bit high altitude pretty far away from any neighbour, near water for dring and fishing, near forest for hunting, warmth from the woods, comunication...fuck comunication dont need that. What i would need is meds and some solution for planting more than potatoes in this cold place..TOP 50k usd.
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Re: How much money does it cost to go Off-Grid and to live on the Land?
500 kish in land gear and building materials and labor done by yourself , hired or bartered.

People who say oh about 100 k or less , well you cannot really say it was only 100 k if you spent 20 hours a week working on it for 250 weeks. My over 40 hour rate of pay is a minimum of 20 dollars an hour net pay.
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Re: How much money does it cost to go Off-Grid and to live on the Land?
You guys are all wet, it's much less than that!
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Re: How much money does it cost to go Off-Grid and to live on the Land?
You guys are all wet, it's much less than that!
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Not if you want to live in comfort...if you want to live like a caveman, then that's pretty cheap...
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Re: How much money does it cost to go Off-Grid and to live on the Land?
You guys are all wet, it's much less than that!
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Not if you want to live in comfort...if you want to live like a caveman, then that's pretty cheap...
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Absolutely NOT TRUE as I show in my article.
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Re: How much money does it cost to go Off-Grid and to live on the Land?
You guys are all wet, it's much less than that!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1462880


Not if you want to live in comfort...if you want to live like a caveman, then that's pretty cheap...
 Quoting: BRIEF


Absolutely NOT TRUE as I show in my article.
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How many square feet is that, three?


I built an actual comfortable self-sustaining homestead that is all off grid and large enough for my family and my small army...
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Re: How much money does it cost to go Off-Grid and to live on the Land?
You guys are all wet, it's much less than that!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1462880


Not if you want to live in comfort...if you want to live like a caveman, then that's pretty cheap...
 Quoting: BRIEF


Absolutely NOT TRUE as I show in my article.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1462880


How many square feet is that, three?


I built an actual comfortable self-sustaining homestead that is all off grid and large enough for my family and my small army...
 Quoting: BRIEF


You can build a decent sized home for 2 for 10k...out of Cob.
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Re: How much money does it cost to go Off-Grid and to live on the Land?
The Pros and Cons of Cob Cottages.

[link to brie-hoffman.hubpages.com]
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10/28/2011 01:47 PM
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Re: How much money does it cost to go Off-Grid and to live on the Land?
That all depends on what you are wanting.

A combination straw bale, rammed earth, two bedroom house would run you as low as $5,000. The idea is to used the rammed earth as your heat sink and the stray bale to be used as the insulator. thus the rammed earth would be on the south side, the stray bale on the rest.

If you do most of that or all of that labor yourself, it will be much cheaper than hiring out the work.

How much power do you need? If you are planning on living like you do in the suburbs you will have to spend a few hundred thousand for solar/wind and solar batteries.

If however, you can live with LED lighting, and highly energy efficient electrical stuff, you can bring that down to a few tens of thousands.

As for well, all you really need is wind, a windmill mechanically linked to a pump and a tall storage area, or one built on a hill above the house. The windmill will pump water when the wind blows, filling the tank, thus when you need water you are getting it from the tank, not the well.

Where you live also matters. Other options may be cisterns, stream water, rain water, etc.

How you build the house also matters. If you plan on having the kitchen at one end and the bathroom at the other, you could triple or more the costs for plumbing. If kitchen and bath share a common wall with everything on short pipe, then you could save lots of money.

A small freezer, under the counter one may be all you need if you are willing to dig a root cellar and use that for most of your cool (not cold) storage.

Warmth. If you use a combination Straw bale, rammed earth and plan out your structure for minimal heat lost through windows (thus usually no northern windows in the northern hemisphere) the cost of heating drops - a lot. If all you have is cold and rain during winter you will not need a huge furnace, a simple wood stove or even just a kerosene stove may be all you need to heat the whole house.

If you decide 'oh screw building, I will dig my house' then you may not need to heat at all. An underground shelter would have its heat and cooling system year round.

Typically the average mean temperature of the area over a year is the temperature of an underground structure. Thus if you live in Southern New Mexico you are looking at ground temperatures around 72 degrees.
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Re: How much money does it cost to go Off-Grid and to live on the Land?
That all depends on what you are wanting.

A combination straw bale, rammed earth, two bedroom house would run you as low as $5,000. The idea is to used the rammed earth as your heat sink and the stray bale to be used as the insulator. thus the rammed earth would be on the south side, the stray bale on the rest.

If you do most of that or all of that labor yourself, it will be much cheaper than hiring out the work.

How much power do you need? If you are planning on living like you do in the suburbs you will have to spend a few hundred thousand for solar/wind and solar batteries.

If however, you can live with LED lighting, and highly energy efficient electrical stuff, you can bring that down to a few tens of thousands.

As for well, all you really need is wind, a windmill mechanically linked to a pump and a tall storage area, or one built on a hill above the house. The windmill will pump water when the wind blows, filling the tank, thus when you need water you are getting it from the tank, not the well.

Where you live also matters. Other options may be cisterns, stream water, rain water, etc.

How you build the house also matters. If you plan on having the kitchen at one end and the bathroom at the other, you could triple or more the costs for plumbing. If kitchen and bath share a common wall with everything on short pipe, then you could save lots of money.

A small freezer, under the counter one may be all you need if you are willing to dig a root cellar and use that for most of your cool (not cold) storage.

Warmth. If you use a combination Straw bale, rammed earth and plan out your structure for minimal heat lost through windows (thus usually no northern windows in the northern hemisphere) the cost of heating drops - a lot. If all you have is cold and rain during winter you will not need a huge furnace, a simple wood stove or even just a kerosene stove may be all you need to heat the whole house.

If you decide 'oh screw building, I will dig my house' then you may not need to heat at all. An underground shelter would have its heat and cooling system year round.

Typically the average mean temperature of the area over a year is the temperature of an underground structure. Thus if you live in Southern New Mexico you are looking at ground temperatures around 72 degrees.
 Quoting: Bowyn Aerrow


Thanks, that is a very good example (as well as the ones I have in the article).
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Re: How much money does it cost to go Off-Grid and to live on the Land?
That all depends on what you are wanting.

A combination straw bale, rammed earth, two bedroom house would run you as low as $5,000. The idea is to used the rammed earth as your heat sink and the stray bale to be used as the insulator. thus the rammed earth would be on the south side, the stray bale on the rest.

If you do most of that or all of that labor yourself, it will be much cheaper than hiring out the work.

How much power do you need? If you are planning on living like you do in the suburbs you will have to spend a few hundred thousand for solar/wind and solar batteries.

If however, you can live with LED lighting, and highly energy efficient electrical stuff, you can bring that down to a few tens of thousands.

As for well, all you really need is wind, a windmill mechanically linked to a pump and a tall storage area, or one built on a hill above the house. The windmill will pump water when the wind blows, filling the tank, thus when you need water you are getting it from the tank, not the well.

Where you live also matters. Other options may be cisterns, stream water, rain water, etc.

How you build the house also matters. If you plan on having the kitchen at one end and the bathroom at the other, you could triple or more the costs for plumbing. If kitchen and bath share a common wall with everything on short pipe, then you could save lots of money.

A small freezer, under the counter one may be all you need if you are willing to dig a root cellar and use that for most of your cool (not cold) storage.

Warmth. If you use a combination Straw bale, rammed earth and plan out your structure for minimal heat lost through windows (thus usually no northern windows in the northern hemisphere) the cost of heating drops - a lot. If all you have is cold and rain during winter you will not need a huge furnace, a simple wood stove or even just a kerosene stove may be all you need to heat the whole house.

If you decide 'oh screw building, I will dig my house' then you may not need to heat at all. An underground shelter would have its heat and cooling system year round.

Typically the average mean temperature of the area over a year is the temperature of an underground structure. Thus if you live in Southern New Mexico you are looking at ground temperatures around 72 degrees.
 Quoting: Bowyn Aerrow


I think after the home..power is the next biggest expense. So, if you can get by with very little power that is key to keeping the costs down.
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pretty sure it is illegal in my country to go off grid...
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pretty sure it is illegal in my country to go off grid...
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OMG really?
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Re: How much money does it cost to go Off-Grid and to live on the Land?
Living off the grid completely is a PITFA. You have to want it pretty damn badly to go through all the effort and pay the bills to make it happen.

It's easier and cheaper to live on the grid with a "backup system" for relatively short-term outages.

If you have a well/septic system, then all you really need is a generator powerful enough to power your well. You'll be fine as long as your gas holds out.

You can do that for a fraction of the cost.

Plus, who really wants to live like Little House on the Prairie? I don't.
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Re: How much money does it cost to go Off-Grid and to live on the Land?
Move to Northwest guys,, we have lots of water, trillions of gallons in the aquifers. A water purifier is 100 bucks. My family bout 7 acres and a stream for 7500. Cabin hauled on the land for free. I sell of grid solar, I know you can get a small off grid system for lights and media, 12 volt, 1000 wats and batteries, less than 1000 dollars if ya do it right. Wood burning stove and all the wood we need for free. Dont forget your snow shovel
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Move to Northwest guys,, we have lots of water, trillions of gallons in the aquifers. A water purifier is 100 bucks. My family bout 7 acres and a stream for 7500. Cabin hauled on the land for free. I sell of grid solar, I know you can get a small off grid system for lights and media, 12 volt, 1000 wats and batteries, less than 1000 dollars if ya do it right. Wood burning stove and all the wood we need for free. Dont forget your snow shovel
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What state are you in? Actually the NW is where I was considering.
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Friend, more than you think. There will be lawsuits, lawyers and all that to pay, just to support your beliefs. Township zoning laws will be applied and you won't qualify, county building codes and health districts.

I know this for a fact, I am in the middle of one now. Also friends moved from one state to another as the one they were in would not let them have facilities and they were way up in the mountains in desert area's. Luck to you, little ass holes that get these small government jobs are of low quality and love their power.
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going off the grid will automatically make you one of the hated 1%
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going off the grid will automatically make you one of the hated 1%
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ridiculous!
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in SHTF , mobility will be the king
bugging out, not bugging in
cuz you never know what kind of SHTF is coming
could be near you
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so far i have 310k into my project. i have land, house and outbuildings. i have a backup generation, but no long term energy source other than a woodlot for heat. it takes a bankroll to get from out and under bau. don't be fooled into thinking otherwise...
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...and you end by saying:


Finally, I haven't gone off grid yet but... I think that you could go off-grid for about $25,000 very nicely.


until you have, don't speculate. as you can see by the posts of those of us who have or are in the process it takes considerably more to disconnect from bau...
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If I lived off the grid, I would really live off the grid.

No power, no running water. Why spend your life savings on trying to do it. I rather have my life savings.

I would learn from the pioneers.
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Doesn't take much. Certainly not 250k..
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If I lived off the grid, I would really live off the grid.

No power, no running water. Why spend your life savings on trying to do it. I rather have my life savings.

I would learn from the pioneers.
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But you aren't a pioneer....... You do realize that thousands of pioneers died of cold, lack of food & disease?
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If I lived off the grid, I would really live off the grid.

No power, no running water. ...
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good luck with hygiene, irrigating crops, providing animals with hydration not to mention cooking and your daily requirements with no power and no running water.

it is a recipe for disaster.
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If I lived off the grid, I would really live off the grid.

No power, no running water. ...
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good luck with hygiene, irrigating crops, providing animals with hydration not to mention cooking and your daily requirements with no power and no running water.

it is a recipe for disaster.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1534258


Don't be ridiculous..how do you think people lived for thousands of years! And, today we have it even better due to technology and knowledge!

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