Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6332119 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5806149
How can one use barter trade if we have to get fiat to pay property taxes? If I hide away in some far off land and farm on other people's property and hope that they don't notice, and then barter trade, I can see how one can use land to farm and trade for essentials, but if I have to pay property taxes and not make any fiat in barter trading then how can barter trading work if the government will kick us off our land and possibly arrest us if we come back to the land and farm against the governments orders? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23074538
Hello AC and Welcome!
You might have read that North Dakota had a ballot initiative to ELIMINATE property taxes!
Can you IMAGINE that it did not pass?
Truly stupid humans...but, of course, we could not allow such anti-slave initiatives to possibly exist.
No property taxes! Heresy!
Laughing out Loud!
But to answer your questions, pay unto Caesar what is Caesars!
There are many ways to skin a cat...put on your conn-skin cap and THIMK!
pay unto Caesar what is Caesars
So pay what you owe? I sorta remember you saying that what we owe might be zero. When I googled that saying it was about Jesus indicating pay to Rome what we owe to Rome and pay to god what we owe to god. scholars say that Jesus was also saying that since those Romans volunatarily used the money that they also accepted the taxes that came with it, thus that is what you mean yes? Property taxes only need to be paid if I use fiat? so the way out of this fiat trap is to not use fiat, and barter trade? I heard of a story of a man who started with a pencil then traded his pencil for a box of erasers or something and eventually traded up and up until he traded a entire house, but I am not sure if he is paying property taxes...
Hello AC and Welcome!
Well, of course, a man pays what he owes!
If you owe a debt, then settle it.
However, make sure you understand EACH and EVERY one of those terms.
Laughing out Loud!
Although overall you appear to be something of a dim-bulb...and against my better judgment, let's walk the walk a bit here...shall we?
Firstly, you DID grasp the essence of Jesus' wisdom. Another commonly heard phrase is "live by the sword, die by the sword"...one will not die the death of a swordsman if one is NOT of that profession. Not to say a non-swordsman cannot die by the sword...simply that it is NOT a swordsman, but rather a civilian, doing the dying.
Why is that relevant? Because EVERYTHING is relevant. Ignore nothing...assume nothing! THAT, cretins, is as fine a starting point as any.
ASSUME NOTHING...check EVERYTHING!
NOW, dimwitty, let's look at a few things here.
I advised you, and others, to learn the basics of contract law....rooted in common law, and used as the basis of most western legal systems.
Contracts can attach in more than one way. Go and study on this and report back to me so that I see your questioning is sincere and you are not just another lazy "seeker" of the sort who have fouled this work to date.
Once you understand the various points of contractual engagement, THEN you can begin to ask the correct questions...
1) From where does the taxation authority used to enforce my subjugation flow? Look up subjugation if you do not understand this term.
2) What are the terms of contract law which are being applied in the relationship between "me" and the taxing authority. Again, back to contract law...offer/consideration/performance etc.
3) What do I give and what do I get?
4) Who are the parties to the transaction?
5) How may one or the other terminate the agreement, by, say breach, non-performance or voluntarily?
6) In the event of contract termination, what are the remedies available to the breached party.
Now, some basic questions. By what authority do you CLAIM to own the property in question?
By what authority BACKS UP this claim? In other words, if some real or artificial person made CLAIM that they, in fact, owned the property...how would that claim be adjudicated? Would YOU accept the results of the arbitration?
What would your recourse be if the decision rendered was one you did not agree with?
Property ownership is a primitive concept...rooted in history, but not a universal one. Native Americans conceptually lacked understanding of property ownership that Europeans and Americans take for granted. However, if an intruder were to encroach on the space which they occupied at any particular point, they would likely fight to the death, would they not? They would not, however, define the land as theirs, as that was absurd to them on its face.
They didn't own the land, but on the land which they chose to occupy, they would fight to the death to defend it.
Those Native Americans had a more evolved understanding of property rights than westerners. One does not truly own land, but one DOES control what land one can, while one can.
A young man might, in this scenario, stake a claim on a small patch of land somewhere and not allow others to pass. If the young man were able to ENFORCE his claim, he would indeed control that parcel. Does he own it? In a sense it is supposed. He can do with it as he chooses.
As an old man, others may challenge his ownership. If he prevails, he continues ownership...if not, ownership/control passes to the other.
This example is the sense of ownership in its pure form.
Of course, groups of humans may band together and set rules with various and sundry methods of registration and dispute resolution based on the common good....
Of course, such systems may be completely infiltrated and corrupted beyond the most wild imaginations limits, but that is another story for another time...
Laughing out Loud!
Anyway, by what methodology do you claim the authority that you are the owner of the land?
If this methodology is administered by some other authority, have you granted this authority to act in the interests of the greater whole? Or does the taxing authority have any specific duties to represent YOUR interests? If so or not, what are the limits and operational rules?
See...again, how does one think they have RIGHTS when they submit to an authority structure to which they have no basic understanding of the rules of engagement?
Unless you do some work to learn the rules under which you operate, you will be serfs FOREVER! And I can guarantee this will be the outcome for your LOT.
OK. There will be no intelligent signs of life so no point continuing.
Just for amusement purposes, ONE of you show some initiative and send your local land taxing authority a letter of inquiry. Ask them some iteration of the following:
1) By what authority do you levy a tax against my property?
2) Do you, as a taxing authority assert any claim of ownership, lien, attachment, encumbrance or otherwise, against the parcel in question
3) Has the parcel in question been pledged as collateral, generally or specifically, in any capacity whatsoever against any debt or obligation of a governmental agency or private entity?
4) Is there any claim recorded against this property, and are there any arrears or payments due to release any prior claims in order for clear title.
5) What is the procedure and amount necessary to obtain allodial title for the property in question
6) What is the procedure to have the property in question removed from the tax roles?
1) By what methodology is the tax applied to assure an impartial apportionment of the tax burden.
2) If property valuation is the operational methodology, why is an objective measure, such as square meter not used instead.
3) How many parcels are defined in the area of the taxing authority.
4) What is the total area of the taxing authority, and of this area, how many are taxable parcels.
5) Of the untaxed parcels and land, list each and every reason why these properties are not taxed.
6) How many properties have received tax exemptions, and what is the lawful basis of exemption?
Start doing research and start asking questions. It would be fitting if a few of you figured out the property tax fraud, since it is the basis of all the other frauds as well.