Do pagans really believe that the earth is billions of years old and humans are primates and dinosaurs became birds?

Radioactive ‘dating’ failure
Recent New Zealand lava flows yield ‘ages’ of millions of years

Eleven samples were collected from five recent lava flows during field work in January 1996—two each from the 11 February 1949, 4 June 1954, and 14 July 1954 flows and from the 19 February 1975 avalanche deposits, and three from the 30 June 1954 flow7.

The samples were sent progressively in batches to Geochron Laboratories in Cambridge, Boston (USA), for whole-rock potassium-argon (K–Ar) dating—first a piece of one sample from each flow, then a piece of the second sample from each flow after the first set of results was received, and finally, a piece of the third sample from the 30 June 1954 flow.7 To also test the consistency of results within samples, second pieces of two of the 30 June 1954 lava samples were also sent for analysis.

The ‘dates’ obtained from the K–Ar analyses are listed in Table 1.7 The ‘ages’ range from <0.27 to 3.5 (± 0.2) million years for rocks which were observed to have cooled from lavas 25–50 years ago. One sample from each flow yielded ‘ages’ of <0.27 or <0.29 million years while all the other samples gave ‘ages’ of millions of years.
[link to creation.com]

They're all theories. It's hard to be certain of what really happened that long ago because we were not there. All we have is certain pieces of evidence and texts that help to corroborate these theories one way or another. They will never be proven unless we somehow travel back in time and see for ourselves. Until then it is all conjecture...

Do you not believe the fossils in museums are real?
Dinosaur fossils? They must all be fake?

What about the fossils ?

Why would an omniscient all powerful creator of the universe need to send down their son so he or she would forgive their other creation (humans) for not obeying them in the first place? Wouldn't it have been easier to just forgive us? I don't get it?

-recovering catholic

Hinduism is actually one of the oldest religions. As we understand Hinduism today it is around 6,000 years old. [link to www.hinduwebsite.com]

The Indian race has been traced back to 2500 BCE

The only older religion than Hinduism is animistic (which dealt with the sacrifices of animals).

Christianity is a derived from Judaism, which Judaism didn't start until 1800 BCE, so it is a fairly new religion (and Christianity is even newer). Christianity has taken the stance that they are the most correct religion, because their savior has walked in flesh in this world. However, other religions believe the same thing. The Hindu God Krishna walked the Earth 5,000 years ago, Buddha was on Earth in 500 BC, and Jesus walked the Earth 2,000 years ago.

OP, I think you will find this to be an interesting read:
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Jesus's whole life is nothing new. The story just has a new main character. Horus the sun god has the exact same story as Jesus. Born of a virgin birth, born on December 25th (which Jesus wasn't born in December. He was born in the summer, but the Christians wanted to take over the Pagan winter solstice holiday to gain more followers, so they celebrate the birth of Jesus on Dec 25th, the winter solstice), lead the perfect life sinless, was sacrificed for the good of all mankind.

The story of Jesus follows the same stories of other Pagan Gods in history. It's a story of classic hero. It follows the same story line. Born of divine influence, gains followers, not liked by those in power, sacrificed for the good of all. They have been telling these stories since language has began.

The point is that maybe there is no correct religion. Even the Christians themselves bicker among their different sects (Catholics, Baptists, Lutherans, Pentecostal, ect), so to say that is the most correct is a little absurd.

Religion was just created to explain what was happening in the world that people didn't understand. Nothing more, nothing less.

I have appreciated reading your side though. It's always interesting when people share their beliefs, because we are so vast in our thinking and thought processes.

God created the earth,created the tyrannosaurus Rex and gave man dominion over the tyrannosaurus Rex. Then the tyrannosaurus Rex Had a snack.

How do the dinosaurs fit in with the religious story of Creatonism?
How did mastodons shed their hair and become today's elephant?
Why do we have an appendix? Aren't these examples of evolution?

God formed the Universe and evolution on earth is part of that.

It's blatantly obvious.


Best Wishes

I'm a Christian, and there is no doubt in my mind that birds are a kind of dinosaur. Especially chickens. "Primate" has kind of a circular definition. A primate is a human, ape, monkey, or lemur. Therefore, by that definition, humans are primates. I don't know how old the Earth was before there was life, but billions of years doesn't seem like any sort of stretch.

It's not even trying.

Science deals with Nature, God is by definition supernatural.
You can't disproof something that has no clearly defined physical properties.
(Can't proof it either.)



Neither do I.

But it is supposed to be the core notion of Christianity, so why are there Christians obsessing about the minutia of a book written a thousand years before Jesus?
To the extent of maniacs like skip, and hardcore liars-for-Jebus like the Discovery Institute.

i am non-christian...i guess Pagan will do.

and i lean to the planet being billions of years old
humans are but one branch of the tree of life on Earth
and birds are not devolved dinosaurs, but are another branch of the tree-of-life/evolution

i do feel that Mother Earth/Mother Nature is the creator
and nurturer of all levels of Earth based life.

so i guess i'm a goddess believer rather than a buddhist or christian.

keep safe & do well in this cyclical, global, tribulation period

what the hell does a small percentage of dinosaurs evolving into birds have to do with paganism?

which god?

No, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn once!

Ah, Comparative Religion 101 - Brainwashing, needed for the belief in Evolution Theory - they attack the book of Genesis with more lies censored of facts.

Hinduism comes out of Babylon.
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Babylon and the Bible
Author: Professor Walter J. Veith, PhD

Two hundred years ago, scholars doubted whether Babylon ever existed. The only record could be found in the Bible. Critics used the story of Babylon, and what they called its "non-historic kings," to discount Scripture. However, Babylon was discovered and excavated in 1898.

We know today that Babylon was one of the first cities in the world, and founded by Nimrod, great-grandson of Noah (Genesis 10:9-10). Archaeologists have found his name on many inscriptions and tablets, while a massive head of Nimrod has been excavated near Calah on the Tigris River.
[link to amazingdiscoveries.org]

There are no similarities with the life of Jesus and previous stories about "deities". There were numerous mother child deities since Semiramis and Tammuz, but there the similarities end, Mary is not a deity.

It is certainly true Dec 25 , Easter and Sunday are pagan in origin and entered Christianity when pagan Rome christianized them. The Bible does not support these days as Christian. Rome is just as pagan as ever; the Jesuits today spreading this pagan evolution theory. The Peking hoax, Piltdown hoax and 'big bang' theory all come from the Jesuits.


God's unlikely Latin lovers
BY: YASMIN HASKELL From: The Australian

ONE of the most delicious paradoxes in the history of education is the fact that the Society of Jesus, a Catholic Reformation order founded by Ignatius of Loyola in the 16th century, was the greatest single publicity machine for the literature of pagan antiquity from the late Renaissance until the French Revolution.

The ethos of the Society of Jesus was an apostolic one: its members were called less to contemplate than to preach, to harvest souls, to exert influence in the world. The order attracted active types - missionaries, musicians, mathematicians, artists, architects, scientists and poets -- and all Jesuits were required to do a stint of teaching in the society's free humanist schools.

The Jesuits are rightly acclaimed as the educators of early modern Catholic Europe. Among their brilliant alumni were Rene Descartes and Voltaire. While their curriculum and pedagogical methods were based on Renaissance models, the Society of Jesus translated traditional elements into a spectacularly successful formula of their own, forging an international educational empire that stretched from Rome to Russia, Mexico to Macau.
[link to www.theaustralian.com.au]

The scientists are finally admitting the appendix is useful after all.
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There are no vestigials because there has been no cross-genome evolution.

We are told God created all animals including dinosaurs at the same time as man about 6000 years ago, and this is what the evidence shows. The evidence confirming the biblical account includes the global flood of Noah's day (posted top of pg 2). After the flood earth's environment does not allow for the gigantism and long lives required to produce a large dinosaur. The oxygen and other conditions are different today.
[link to www.nytimes.com]
[link to keelynet.com]

1) What evidence do you have a chicken has ever been anything other than a chicken?

2) Evolution Theory claims all those are of the same family "primate". This would be like also classifying a dog and a bear in the same family since man and the apes are as different from the ape as a dog is from the bear, completely different and unrelated (although science theories do not make that leap for dogs only mankind). Without any evidence for evolution the primate category is also unsupported.

3) Yet science works on evidence. Believing the earth is billions of years is not science.

These pagan beliefs do not come from the Bible or any real science but are dogmatic pagan beliefs found in the secular schools today. If you have any evidence then it will be science. Until then they are your pagan belief unsupported by the Bible or Christianity.

Never happened. That is your pagan belief. No evidence to support it.

Birds have always been birds. To believe otherwise is ridiculous pagan superstition.

Who gives a fuck? What difference does it make?

You people do not have any evidence for your pagan superstitious belief because there is none. You have been deceived by the controlled media who only presents one side.

The polystrate fossil, another scientific fact debunking the geocolumn claimed to be zillions of years old.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

How do textbooks address these fossils? CENSORED.

Lying and brainwashing the children?

From your own link

The word polystrate is not a standard geological term. This term is typically only found in creationist publications.

Not science when evidence is censored, my friend. What they have is a pagan dogma founded upon lies.

the last few popes have expressed those sentiments as theirs , and the view of their church.

as for pagans, they probably aren't all that interested.

Interesting debate, on both sides. I myself am on the fence, not really sure where my beliefs lie. There seems to be more than a few holes in either story, to be honest.

One thing that has always bothered me about the creation versus evolution is that we KNOW evolution exists. On a small scale evolution (ex: moths in England turning black because of soot during the industrial revolution) has been observed and recorded since man has been around, using scientific methods.

Anyway, here is my question, do most creationists believe that evolution does exist, but just not in relation to humans, or do they completely deny evolution and have an alternate explanation for it.

Not trying to incite anyone, just asking what I think is a legit question.

it is the panic of a creationist who has realised they are wrong.

they grasp at this kind of straw before accepting great great great grandma was a monkey.

You really should go and read a textbook and see for yourself. Creationism is 'pagan dogma founded upon lies' as you so aptly put it.

Do Christians really believe that man is made from dirt and woman from a rib?

When ever a Creationist shows up claiming to have evidence I expect to get lied to again.

They never ever speak truth.

They are so deep down the rabbit hole they think it is perfectly ok to fabricate evidence to bolster their delusion.

Clearest case of mass cognitive dissonance I've ever seen.

1) moths turning black is not evolution. Neither are dog breeds. This is adaptation nobody will deny. It is still a moth, they are still dogs. Bacteria and fruit flies have been observed for many generations without any evolution. They remain bacteria and fruit flies. The laws of genetics allow for no other outcome. (Mendelian)

2) There is no empirical evidence for cross-genome or marco-evolution.

Christian scientists agree all dogs came from the wolf, all bear from a common bear, ect. There are numerous articles on this.

Did God Create Poodles?
[link to creation.com]

That is where it ends. There are no millions of years and no macro-evolution. Man has always been man as mankind is as different from the apes as the dog is from the bear: unrelated!

Genetics does not allow for evolution on the macro cross-genome level. Mendelian Law says parental traits pass on not mutations. To believe otherwise is discredited Lamarckism.