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Why would God ´chose´ the Jews as his ´chosen people´ is they don´t even believe in Jesus?

 
Why?
10/12/2005 05:23 AM
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Why would God ´chose´ the Jews as his ´chosen people´ is they don´t even believe in Jesus?
I´d like to know the answer to this... can anyone shed any light?
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12/08/2005 10:19 AM
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Re: Why would God ´chose´ the Jews as his ´chosen people´ is they don´t even believe in Jesus?
I´m not a jew and I don´t believe Jesus was anyone but a normal human being with extraordinary charisma and strong morals.
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12/08/2005 10:19 AM
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Re: Why would God ´chose´ the Jews as his ´chosen people´ is they don´t even believe in Jesus?
jesus didnt exist
Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:19 AM
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Re: Why would God ´chose´ the Jews as his ´chosen people´ is they don´t even believe in Jesus?
How odd
Of God
To choose
The jews
Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:19 AM
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Re: Why would God ´chose´ the Jews as his ´chosen people´ is they don´t even believe in Jesus?
Didn´t God invent Jews BEFORE he invented Jesus?
Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:19 AM
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Re: Why would God ´chose´ the Jews as his ´chosen people´ is they don´t even believe in Jesus?
Same here... jesus calibrated very high and was a very advanced human, but I believe it ends there. Also, his teachings were ultimately distorted by those who calibrate lower then him, since they could not interpit the information correctly...

anybody who says that god or jesus wants you to go out and kill arabs is simply mistaken and brainwashed. Now lets turn Israel into glass. ;)
Mr spock
12/08/2005 10:19 AM
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Re: Why would God ´chose´ the Jews as his ´chosen people´ is they don´t even believe in Jesus?
They were given the ways to formulate society and the many laws to be followed to ensure that humans prosper well both spiritually and morally. They were supposed to share and teach this way as set out via the decree of the Lord

But…. They themselves faltered due to being human, and decided to keep the knowledge only to them selves.

And this prompted the lord to send his son, and spread to word around, which is exactly what he did. To the anger of the misdirected Jews.
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spock

The Jews were the original tribe converted to serve in the Eden garden, when this was over run by the wild tribes around it, due to the power taken from Adam due to the caligastier con over eve. The workers of the garden were given their freedom, and due to this they have been displaced from any land they settle. Eden was a vast sight to behold, a thousand years in the making, an outpost formulated to house the governor and governess from the mansion world of Jerusium, because Caligastier the local planetary prince had fallen into Satan and lucifers empowerment.
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Re: Why would God ´chose´ the Jews as his ´chosen people´ is they don´t even believe in Jesus?
A chip of the old block? The Lord works in mysterious ways. That is for sure.
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Re: Why would God ´chose´ the Jews as his ´chosen people´ is they don´t even believe in Jesus?
so...

they ´were´ his chosen people?

OR

they ´are´ his chosen people?

???
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12/08/2005 10:19 AM
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Re: Why would God ´chose´ the Jews as his ´chosen people´ is they don´t even believe in Jesus?
The jews where Gods chosen people up until the time that they killed Jesus. The people who followed Jesus and became Christians now hold the position of Gods chosen people. But one must follow Gods teachings to be truely his chosen few. The jews have become Satan´s chosen people and they will welcome the Anti-Christ who will work with them to kill off Gods followers the Christains.
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Re: Why would God ´chose´ the Jews as his ´chosen people´ is they don´t even believe in Jesus?
jews worship their own god, which is kinda different (like the jews themselves are)..
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Re: Why would God ´chose´ the Jews as his ´chosen people´ is they don´t even believe in Jesus?
how do you explain this quote then?

The late Prime Minister of Israel, Menechem Begin - 1977-1983 - :

"Our race (the Jews) is the Master Race. We are divine gods on this planet. We are as different from the inferior races as they are from insects. In fact, compared to our race, other races are beasts and animals, cattle at best. Other races are considered as human excrement. Our destiny is to rule over the inferior races. Our earthly kingdom will be ruled by our leader with a rod of iron. The masses will lick our feet and serve us as our slaves."

Is he not implying blatantly that his race (the Jews) are God´s chosen people?

anyone got light to shed?
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12/08/2005 10:19 AM
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Re: Why would God ´chose´ the Jews as his ´chosen people´ is they don´t even believe in Jesus?
Hmm
well the only thing that comes mind so far is that....Jesus was a Jew
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Re: Why would God ´chose´ the Jews as his ´chosen people´ is they don´t even believe in Jesus?
doh!
god is gud
12/08/2005 10:19 AM
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Re: Why would God ´chose´ the Jews as his ´chosen people´ is they don´t even believe in Jesus?
God made a covenant with the biblical hebrews, or whoever they were. That was how they became his chosen people. As to why he chose them.

Anyway look into the covenant with god. I think it was actually something along the lines of.

I´ll give you lot this land and prosperity if you treat the land well and look after it and treat each other well and look after each other.

I think the original thing was between abraham and god, and abraham was chosen because he was willing to sacrifice his only son.

Some people take this to mean that god is a nasty bastard. But I think Abraham´s son, Isaac, was a miracle birth. His mum was supposed to have been post menopause, in her 70s I think. Been a long time since I read the bible.

I think they( Isaacs parents that is) prayed heaps, and begged God for a child or something.

Then when he was in his early teens or pre pubescent, God said to Abraham, what I give I can take away, if you really think I am God, take your kid up to that sacred mountain and sacrifice him to me. Apoparantly Abraham agonised about this and even tried to resist, but eventually relented. Then when he was about to do it God stepped in and said, its OK I was only testing your loyalty. I think thats the origin of Jewish circumcision too, in memory of that event.

Its an interesting story. Would you sacrifice your kid to god, an all powerful creator being, knowing that god could take your kid away at will, thru disease accident etc? And that you asked him or it to bend the laws of creation, or the processes of creation that the very same god set up worldwide. Maybe deep down you figured you owed that god your total allegiance and that something that gave you such joy was worth trusting, that it would never give something so beautiful then take it away, but was teaching you something. After all if god made your wife pregnant after menopause, in her 70s, wouldn´t that be God breaking his own laws of creation for you. Perhaps karma says you have to break the laws you hold most dear, cos you owe that god spiritually... so put your money where your mouth is.

Or maybe you just got conned by a local diety in an area full of them.

Or maybe you were the best result out of an alien human hybrid breeding program, and some cover story was needed so you didn´t question why you suddenly had some amazingly powerful entity on your side. Thats the real conspiracy isn´t it. The jews are the alien invasion.

buttneenerbutt

..!.,
Lenny Lomach
12/08/2005 10:19 AM
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Re: Why would God ´chose´ the Jews as his ´chosen people´ is they don´t even believe in Jesus?
Maybe you might consider what it means to live as God´s Chosen People. It´s not such a pleasant position to be in.

God´s Chosen People actually means a People Chosen to bring people to God. It doesn´t mean that Jews ought to take over the media for personal gain as some Jews have done. It doesn´t mean to go in and dominate the media to take freedom away from citizens, as some Jews have done.

Yet, many people blame ALL The Jews for what a few have done. That´s like blaming all White people for what the Liberal Democrats, chiefly White people who are the Far Left Democrats.
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Re: Why would God ´chose´ the Jews as his ´chosen people´ is they don´t even believe in Jesus?
It all started with Adam. God told Adam of the redeemer. Adam told his children who told their children and so on.

The bloodline between Adam and Noah was still the pure human blood man was created with. Some sons later Abraham was born. Abraham or Abram was a direct decendant of Noah.

Basically God choose to use the family of Adam to bring about the redeemer he promised Adam after Adam failed or fell.

If you read the geneology in Matthew chapter 1 you will see how the blood line traces back to Abraham. A little farther back into the old testament you can see the line from Noah to Abraham. and of course the geneology from Adam to Noah is there as well.

Book of Romans tells us that the hebrew was plucked off their place in the olive tree which is our place when we are believers in God according to his prescription. But we are not to get proud about being grafted into the family tree of God because as he said if we get proud about it we get plucked off and the Hebrew or now called Jew can have their place restored.

Basically the bible answers this question in a fairly clear manner but the bible requires Godly spirituallity to understand. Flesh and mind can not grasp the word of God no matter how intelligent or smart the mind or human is.

Summery, God choose them because they are the only family on earth that was not genetically modified by the fallen angels. Hard as that may be to understand or believe. The other side of that reason is that he required a man made like Adam and the Jew, then called Hebrews, were all there was on earth left for the purpose. The exact term is kinsman redeemer.
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Re: Why would God ´chose´ the Jews as his ´chosen people´ is they don´t even believe in Jesus?
wow wikipedia is so cool blink

i should´ve checked here in the first place!!

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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12/08/2005 10:19 AM
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Re: Why would God ´chose´ the Jews as his ´chosen people´ is they don´t even believe in Jesus?
I forgot to mention that the Jew is not the chosen people anymore because of their rejection of their Messiah, the Lord Jesus.

But that´s sort of fortunate for us as we now have the same oppertunity to join Gods family the Hebrew or Jew once had.
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Re: Why would God ´chose´ the Jews as his ´chosen people´ is they don´t even believe in Jesus?
The Jewish authorities - the Sanhedrin - asked for Jesus to be crucified because in their eyes he had blasphemed when he claimed that he was the awaited Messiah and God´s son. Many (perhaps most) Jews STILL think that he blasphemed even if they don´t agree with his execution. That is one of the irreconcilable differences between Jews and Christians. As a non-Christian, I don´t know whether it is true that Jesus actually claimed that he was the Messiah, for we only have what he was reported to say many years after he died, which means that opinion may have been mixed with historical fact sufficiently to make the question unanswerable. If he did, then Jews are right to think he blasphemed. If he did not, then they are wrong. I guess the argument will go on for ever. For me, it is irrelevant.
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Re: Why would God ´chose´ the Jews as his ´chosen people´ is they don´t even believe in Jesus?
The only reason Jews were made so much of is because they were the lineage that Jesus was to come through...
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Re: Why would God ´chose´ the Jews as his ´chosen people´ is they don´t even believe in Jesus?
Deuteronomy 7:7 says that God did not choose the Jewish race because they were great in number. Actually, it says, they were the fewest of all people.

However, 2/3 of the literal people of Israel will be lost. Only a remant (1/3) will be saved and are TRUE Israel. True Israel is spiritual, and all have been circumcised with a circumcision made WITHOUT hands. Our hearts have been circumcised. We are all one, Jew and and Gentiles alike.

But the Jews who are hardened towards Jesus, the Son of God, are not true Israel. So just because a Jewish man claims that his race is better than all of the other races does not make it so. He is no longer part of that "master" race.
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Re: Why would God ´chose´ the Jews as his ´chosen people´ is they don´t even believe in Jesus?
OP...If your in college I´d strongly recommend you take a course in modern theology.
You´ll get a much better answer to all your reglion questions than you´ll get from the holy rollers and the non-religious morons here.
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Re: Why would God ´chose´ the Jews as his ´chosen people´ is they don´t even believe in Jesus?
Hhmmm interesting stuff but i´m not entirely sure...

I don´t buy the fact that God would chose preference of one particular race of people over another... this to me seems wrong, after all aren´t we all supposed to be God´s children.

I believe that we are utterly equal, everyone of us.

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on another point... that quote by The late Prime Minister of Israel, Menechem Begin is incredibly evil, blatantly so! Imagine Dubya or Bliar coming out with that stuff today. There would be International mayhem!!!
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Re: Why would God ´chose´ the Jews as his ´chosen people´ is they don´t even believe in Jesus?
The sign over His cross read, "King of the Jews" so the Romans and Jews were aware of who He said He was.
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Re: Why would God ´chose´ the Jews as his ´chosen people´ is they don´t even believe in Jesus?
"I don´t buy the fact that God would chose preference of one particular race of people over another... this to me seems wrong, after all aren´t we all supposed to be God´s children.

I believe that we are utterly equal, everyone of us.
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You don´t have to buy it, but it´s true. God will do as he pleases, according to the bible. HE will have mercy on whom He will have mercy and He will harden whom He will harden.

And no, we are not ALL God´s children. If we were, nobody would go to hell. But the bible is clear that MOST people who have ever lived, are living, and ever will live WILL go through the WIDE gate that leads to destruction, and few will enter in through the narrow way that leads to righteousness.
ICF
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Re: Why would God ´chose´ the Jews as his ´chosen people´ is they don´t even believe in Jesus?
If there was but one man in the beginning, then we are all Jewish or whatever you want to label it, since we are all decendents of that one man and women, is that not common sense?

Why is that so difficult to understand and grasp the truth of it, one man was the beginning of humanity, how can you divide it.

Like the division of Hutu/Tutsi was started by measuring the width of noses, labelling each other is ridiculous, you are all my brothers and sisters, as I am yours.
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Re: Why would God ´chose´ the Jews as his ´chosen people´ is they don´t even believe in Jesus?
lifted from [link to www.jewfaq.org]

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Judaism
Excerpt below from the following page, which includes supporting links:

"[Jewish] scriptures tell [a] story of the development of relationships, from the time of creation, through the creation of the relationship between G-d and ((Abraham)), to the creation of the relationship between G-d and the Jewish people, and forward. The scriptures also specify the mutual obligations created by these relationships, although various movements of Judaism disagree about the nature of these obligations. Some say they are absolute, unchanging laws from G-d (Orthodox); some say they are laws from G-d that change and evolve over time (Conservative); some say that they are guidelines that you can choose whether or not to follow (Reform, Reconstructionist). For more on these distinctions, see ((Movements of Judaism)).

So, what are these actions that Judaism is so concerned about? According to Orthodox Judaism, these actions include ((613 commandments)) given by G-d in the ((Torah)) as well as laws instituted by the rabbis and long-standing customs. These actions are discussed in depth on the page regarding ((Halakhah)): Jewish Law and the pages following it. "

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Anyone spot a clear and concise answer in there??

It seems that EVERY religion has its own claim to be the ´Chosen People´ but this is ultimately contradictory.... if they all believe in the same God (which I think they do) how can He have several ´Chosen Peoples´??

The very phrase would imply that a ´Chosen People´ would be one people out of all peoples.... hmpfh .... Maybe its just a recruiting tactic?

This question is not easy to answer is it. Maybe I´ve just answered it? blink
Person1
12/08/2005 10:19 AM
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Re: Why would God ´chose´ the Jews as his ´chosen people´ is they don´t even believe in Jesus?
ICF,

We are not brothers if we do not share the same allegance to Jesus. A friend of the world is an enemy of God.

If I am loyal or faithful to God, then I cannot be a friend or brother to the world. Rather we are spiritual enemies.
AC
12/08/2005 10:19 AM
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Re: Why would God ´chose´ the Jews as his ´chosen people´ is they don´t even believe in Jesus?
Where does it say the Jews are chosen?
The old testament you say?
Who wrote the old testament?
The jews you say?
Humm

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