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The Remnants of Tycho - Also, Red Shift / Blue Shift - AND, Supernovas as being Source of Highest-Energy Form of LIGHT

 
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I came across this picture, and it blew my mind. This is Tycho. It went supernova in 1572. I know some of you will find this old news, but the pictures recently taken by Chandra throw a lot of new information into the supernova.

Tycho was discovered by a Danish astronomer, Tycho Brahe, in 1572...when it went supernova.

Tycho was invisible in the 16th century night sky, until it went supernova in 1572. Man mistook it for another star being born in the heavens. The explosive brightness lasted for about 2 years, before the 'star' faded from the dark night sky.

In England, Queen Elizabeth called to her the mathematician and astrologer Thomas Allen, "to have his advice about the new Star that appeared in the Cassiopeia to which he gave his Judgement very learnedly," the antiquary John Aubrey recorded in his memoranda a century later.[3]
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Now, over four centuries later, we can see it. This image "shows an expanding bubble of multimillion degree debris (green and red) inside a more rapidly moving shell of extremely high energy electrons (filamentary blue)."
[link to chandra.harvard.edu]

:tychorem:

The supersonic expansion (about six million miles per hour) of the stellar debris has created two X-ray emitting shock waves - one moving outward into the interstellar gas, and another moving back into the debris.

And, once again the more we study these celestial occurrences, the more we find fallacies in the Standard Theory ( [link to en.wikipedia.org] ).

According to the standard theory, the outward-moving shock wave should be about 2 light years ahead of the stellar debris. What Chandra found instead is that the stellar debris has kept pace with the outer shock and is only about half a light year behind...

..The most likely explanation for this behavior is that a large fraction of the energy of the outward-moving shock wave is going into the acceleration of atomic nuclei to speeds approaching the speed of light. The Chandra observations provide the strongest evidence yet that nuclei are indeed accelerated and that the energy contained in the high-speed nuclei in Tycho's remnant is about 100 times that observed in high-speed electrons.

[link to chandra.harvard.edu]

I always wonder how much we have gotten wrong, but swear we have gotten right. In everything...from the way our governments are run, to our history (winner writes history), to religions (my religion is right, yours is wrong), to theoretical sciences (that we take as fact), on and on. At least we can always say that everything continues to be a grand mystery.




As to the importance of this finding of Tycho's Remnant is the cosmic rays emitted by such an event. Remember, cosmic rays are one of the prime factors of the environment of space and changes throughout.

This finding is important for understanding the origin of cosmic rays, the high-energy nuclei which pervade the Galaxy and constantly bombard the Earth. Since their discovery in the early years of the 20th century, many sources of cosmic rays have been proposed, including flares on the sun and similar events on other stars, pulsars, black hole accretion disks, and the prime suspect - supernova shock waves. Chandra's observations of Tycho's supernova remnant strengthen the case for this explanation.
[link to chandra.harvard.edu]


Famous Star Explosion May Help Solve Cosmic Mystery
27 December 2011

...NASA's Fermi space telescope has detected gamma rays — the highest-energy form of light — emanating from the shattered husk of Tycho's supernova, a star that exploded in 1572. The find could help astronomers pinpoint the origin of cosmic rays, super-speedy subatomic particles that crash constantly into Earth's atmosphere, researchers said...

..."This detection gives us another piece of evidence supporting the notion that supernova remnants can accelerate cosmic rays,"...

...Observation of Tycho's supernova was one of the watershed moments in the history of astronomy, researchers said. At the time, most people regarded the sky as a fixed, unchanging part of the universe. But they couldn't hold onto that view after "Tycho's star" burst onto the scene...

...Just where and how cosmic rays, most of which are protons, attain their incredible speeds and energies is a long-standing mystery in astrophysics. Charged particles are easily deflected by interstellar magnetic fields, so it's tough to trace them directly back to their sources, researchers said...

...But astronomers have long suspected that supernovas are a key source of cosmic rays. After a star goes boom, it becomes a rapidly expanding shell of hot gas bounded by the explosion's shock wave. Magnetic fields on either side of the shockwave trap particles, the idea goes, bouncing them back and forth very rapidly.

The particles gain energy with each bounce, eventually getting so amped up that they burst free of the magnetic fields and start zipping through interstellar space

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[link to www.space.com]
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(snip)
According to the standard theory, the outward-moving shock wave should be about 2 light years ahead of the stellar debris. What Chandra found instead is that the stellar debris has kept pace with the outer shock and is only about half a light year behind...
(snip)


Acceleration enhanced by dark energy?

- This new, more precise value of the Hubble constant was used to test and constrain the properties of dark energy, the form of energy that produces a repulsive force in space, which is causing the expansion rate of the universe to accelerate.

By bracketing the expansion history of the universe between today and when the universe was only approximately 380,000 years old, the astronomers were able to place limits on the nature of the dark energy that is causing the expansion to speed up. (The measurement for the far, early universe is derived from fluctuations in the cosmic microwave background, as resolved by NASA's Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe, WMAP, in 2003.)

Their result is consistent with the simplest interpretation of dark energy: that it is mathematically equivalent to Albert Einstein's hypothesized cosmological constant, introduced a century ago to push on the fabric of space and prevent the universe from collapsing under the pull of gravity. (Einstein, however, removed the constant once the expansion of the universe was discovered by Edwin Hubble.)
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(snip)
According to the standard theory, the outward-moving shock wave should be about 2 light years ahead of the stellar debris. What Chandra found instead is that the stellar debris has kept pace with the outer shock and is only about half a light year behind...
(snip)


Acceleration enhanced by dark energy?

- This new, more precise value of the Hubble constant was used to test and constrain the properties of dark energy, the form of energy that produces a repulsive force in space, which is causing the expansion rate of the universe to accelerate.

By bracketing the expansion history of the universe between today and when the universe was only approximately 380,000 years old, the astronomers were able to place limits on the nature of the dark energy that is causing the expansion to speed up. (The measurement for the far, early universe is derived from fluctuations in the cosmic microwave background, as resolved by NASA's Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe, WMAP, in 2003.)

Their result is consistent with the simplest interpretation of dark energy: that it is mathematically equivalent to Albert Einstein's hypothesized cosmological constant, introduced a century ago to push on the fabric of space and prevent the universe from collapsing under the pull of gravity. (Einstein, however, removed the constant once the expansion of the universe was discovered by Edwin Hubble.)
[link to hubblesite.org]
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Thank you Bug. BTW, the expansion theory is mainly attributed to the Red/Blue shift.

Hubble, who had been the first to establish that the universe included many other galaxies outside of our own, noticed something else: the galaxies were receding from us at a velocity proportional to their distance. The more distant the galaxy, the greater its redshift, and therefore the higher the velocity, a relation known as Hubble's Law. [link to archive.ncsa.illinois.edu]

Yet, proponents of the EU model can show that Red/Blue shift occurs because of the age of the galaxy, not the distance.

The Big Bang theory is based on a misinterpretation of redshift. The redshift of a distant galaxy is measured in the light coming from that galaxy. Lines in the spectrum of that galaxy show a shift toward the red compared with the same lines from our Sun. Arp discovered that high and low redshift objects are sometimes connected by a bridge or jet of matter. So redshift cannot be a measure of distance. Most of the redshift is intrinsic to the object. But there is more: Arp found that the intrinsic redshift of a quasar or galaxy took discrete values, which decreased with distance from a central active galaxy. In Arp's new view of the cosmos, active galaxies "give birth" to high redshift quasars and companion galaxies. Redshift becomes a measure of the relative ages of nearby quasars and galaxies, not their distance. As a quasar or galaxy ages, the redshift decreases in discrete steps, or quanta.
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An interesting e-mail exchange.
This is in reference to Red/Blue Shift


from Butt-Ugly Toad

PASSIVE MOMENTUM

First thing, remember that Everything is Relative to Source and Source isrelative to Everything, then let's take a trip on a train. :D

The train is traveling 100 feet per second and the rifle we will be usinghas a muzzle velocity of 200 feet per second and everytime we shoot it, wehave perfect aim and there's a target on the side of the train tracks.Traveling towards the target and at 600 feet away, we shoot the target and 2 seconds later, the bullet hits the target and when the bullet hits the target, we are 400 feet from the target. Moving away from the target and at 200 feet away from it, we shoot the target and 2 seconds later, the bullet hits the target and when the bullet hits the target, we are 400
feet from the target.

The first shot, moving towards the target, we fire at 600 feet away and the second shot, moving away from the target, we fire at 200 feet away, yet both times we hit the target 2 seconds later. Why? Passive Momentum! That's why both times, when the bullet hits the target, we are exactly 400
feet from the target.

The first shot, the muzzle velocity of 200 feet per second, added with the train's velocity of 100 feet per second, the bullet was traveling at 300 feet per second relative to the target, which was stationary and the second shot, with the muzzle velocity of 200 feet per second, added with the train's negative velocity of 100 feet per second, the bullet was traveling at 100 feet per second relative to the target but both shots were traveling 200 feet per second relative to the shooter.

What's happening is our primary source of light is our sun and out planet is relatively close to it and the small changes in distance from it are negligible but galaxies millions to billions of light years away, if they are traveling away from us, the speed of light coming from them will be significantly slower than Source Light Speed and galaxies traveling towards us, the speed of light coming from them will be significantly faster than Source Light Speed and those differences are creating an illusion with our perception of their movements.

So Einstein's Theory that the Speed of Light is the speed limit of the Universe is wrong. ;) It's the Source Speed Limit of Light, but actual realized speed depends on the direction Source is traveling and the direction of the Light being emitted by its Source. :D

Everything is Relative to Source and Source is Relative to Everything. ;)

Ribbit :)




My response:

OK, let me work through this, Toad.

After a couple run-throughs, I’ve got some issues with this. But, on examination with quantum observance and relative to Source, I think I might understand you.

Light is a constant. Which is your bullet analogy. Doesn’t matter how fast towards, or how fast away from target, the result ends up being the same…because of the Constant of Light. So, the origin of light shoots the bullet out. To it, light is the same speed, no matter how the origin shoots it out, because that light is relative to the origin’s Source.

But, we are not the origin of Source to those far, far galaxies. So, our observation of that light from a different Source Origin of significant distance will not be observed as constant…like light is when it is from our Source Galaxy (Milky Way). We would observe it as if we were the train.
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ah, nobody wants to think today...

Perhaps this is what Calleman's end of the Mayan Calender means! Thoughtless zombies! It is here! scream
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Doesn't this disprove our fundamental understanding of the way matter interacts with energy. If the debris from the explosion are moving almost as fast as the much higher vibration shock wave, that must mean the acceleration capacity of matter is higher than we thought.



Idk if I said that right, my brain is still scrambled from the high volume of liquid poison I consumed this weekend. I think that is a contributor to the lack of thought out responses.

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"All energy flows according to the whims of the Great Magnet" - Hunter S. Thompson

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

We are all just ins inside the out, and outs inside the ins.
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Doesn't this disprove our fundamental understanding of the way matter interacts with energy. If the debris from the explosion are moving almost as fast as the much higher vibration shock wave, that must mean the acceleration capacity of matter is higher than we thought.



Idk if I said that right, my brain is still scrambled from the high volume of liquid poison I consumed this weekend. I think that is the contributor to the lack of thought out responses.

drunk
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EXCELLENT! That was my first thought when I read this!

applause
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Doesn't this disprove our fundamental understanding of the way matter interacts with energy. If the debris from the explosion are moving almost as fast as the much higher vibration shock wave, that must mean the acceleration capacity of matter is higher than we thought.



Idk if I said that right, my brain is still scrambled from the high volume of liquid poison I consumed this weekend. I think that is the contributor to the lack of thought out responses.

drunk
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EXCELLENT! That was my first thought when I read this!

applause
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That's why they said that the Standard Theory is not accurate in this!

woohoo
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Doesn't this disprove our fundamental understanding of the way matter interacts with energy. If the debris from the explosion are moving almost as fast as the much higher vibration shock wave, that must mean the acceleration capacity of matter is higher than we thought.



Idk if I said that right, my brain is still scrambled from the high volume of liquid poison I consumed this weekend. I think that is the contributor to the lack of thought out responses.

drunk
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EXCELLENT! That was my first thought when I read this!

applause
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That's why they said that the Standard Theory is not accurate in this!

woohoo
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The only thing standard about about the old model is the fundamental BS they based it off of.
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Doesn't this disprove our fundamental understanding of the way matter interacts with energy. If the debris from the explosion are moving almost as fast as the much higher vibration shock wave, that must mean the acceleration capacity of matter is higher than we thought.



Idk if I said that right, my brain is still scrambled from the high volume of liquid poison I consumed this weekend. I think that is the contributor to the lack of thought out responses.

drunk
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EXCELLENT! That was my first thought when I read this!

applause
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That's why they said that the Standard Theory is not accurate in this!

woohoo
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The only thing standard about about the old model is the fundamental BS they based it off of.
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I wonder how long they are going to disprove it, before they say, "OK! OK! We'll start over!"
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ah, nobody wants to think today...

Perhaps this is what Calleman's end of the Mayan Calender means! Thoughtless zombies! It is here! scream
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blink

<-------Pretty much!
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I wonder too...

Ive been getting the feeling that the whole red/blue shift is flawed. It makes sense, but that doesn't mean it is right. I think I will need more time on my cosmic phone to figure it out completely.
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Not to jack your thread but idk if you heard about this (promise you will like):

Thread: Strange Atmospheric Phenomena on the planet Uranus
"All energy flows according to the whims of the Great Magnet" - Hunter S. Thompson

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe

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The Green Futures of Tychoo
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Not to jack your thread but idk if you heard about this (promise you will like):

Thread: Strange Atmospheric Phenomena on the planet Uranus
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bump For interesting read!
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Not to jack your thread but idk if you heard about this (promise you will like):

Thread: Strange Atmospheric Phenomena on the planet Uranus
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thumbs

I'll take a look in the morning.
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afro
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ah, nobody wants to think today...


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nope, My headache hurts, that's all
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Bumping my favorite bump girl.

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ah, nobody wants to think today...

Perhaps this is what Calleman's end of the Mayan Calender means! Thoughtless zombies! It is here! scream
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Shoot man I`m still trying to figure out why babies stare at me wherever I go...LOL..My wife always brings it to my attention. he he....

Hey I do enjoy the pictures tho..he he..as always I enjoy all your threads. You know me...I would just rather say "isness" and carry on..;)...Thank God for deep thinkers though..Good stuff..so much to learn---and relearn

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Excellent post SS! :) The pic IS Awesome!!

I'm going to go back & try to absorb some of the more meaningful tidbits... Just scanning through though ~ this is what stood out to me that I wanted to respond to... Where you said,"I always wonder how much we have gotten wrong, but swear we have gotten right. In everything...from the way our governments are run, to our history (winner writes history), to religions (my religion is right, yours is wrong), to theoretical sciences (that we take as fact), on and on. At least we can always say that everything continues to be a grand mystery." I couldn't agree more! I LOVE it! Soooo many things are coming to light now that I remember questioning as a child & all the adults always just got mad LoL :)

It's very cool! Now back to trying to follow along.... wink
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I didn't exactly get the gist of it, but an amateur astronomer of my acqaintance once pointed out an anomaly of planetary nebulae, of which Tycho is one. Apparently the energised particles should be in one or another quantum energy states, i.e. there are large "steps" between possible energy states which are known for electrons and such. According to my friend, their detected energy states fall between known quanta. How so? he asks.
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I'm more of a believer of the electric universe theory, it unifies both creator and creation.

It would also explain the phenomena of why an entire street and the buildings on it have a power outage when i am around.

It also explains why I know what song will be played before it is played on my itunes.

my existence is questionable to two they arent sure who is right and wrong, but when they are in agreeance great "miracles" occur when they don't everything is a lie.

all truths are but half truths. If it is decided as factual it is on either extreme, if it is undecided it resides in the origin where the habit hasnt been acted out to create the reality.
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I think you are chasing a red herring with the whole redshift discussion, redshift is interesting, but how is it related to this story?

The observed correlation is that things "further away" are further redshifted. (*** we only believe they are further away because of more assumptions about light propagation!). There is also an effect where things moving away from us get redshifted, the doppler effect. The doppler effect is real and measurable and also applies to any other wave.

The assumption that logically leads to universe expansion is that the doppler effect is the source of the redshift. There are other explanations though!

For example, because light has a a speed, things that are "further away" are also "older". So maybe universal constants were different back then, and light was simply redder intrinsically! Or maybe light slowly shifts itself over looong time periods! Actually our whole concept of the big bang universe is based on a series of questionable assumptions and if we were to discover other sources of "redshift" it would undermine the expansion dogma.

This story is suggesting the supernova shockwave as a possible source for the high energy rays we observe, but that is a different subject. If anything , redshifting light lowers it's frequency, and most stars are not in supernova.
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