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Who knows who is The Whore of Babylon ?

 
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my lady fair, . .
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She is sitting on 7 hills....

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To take the one string you have left and to have the audacity to hope ... that's the real word God will have us hear from this passage and from Watt's painting."[5] Having attended the sermon, Barack Obama later adopted the phrase "audacity of hope" as the title for his 2004 Democratic National Convention keynote address, and as the title of his second book.[6]

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The whore of Babylon is the Global false religious system of the world.

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No it isn't.
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It is (ALL)the corporate churches who follow there own creeds,confessions and doctrines of men.

They have become the authority and have forsaken the word of God.

REVELATION 18
4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, COME OUT OF HER, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

The true church are individuals whom were chosen before the foundation of the world,God have "always" applied salvation on an individual bases,no church can saved.
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When we carefully study the Bible, the word “kings” is used in four ways. The first usage of the word “kings” points to our Lord Jesus Christ. He is King of kings and Lord of lords.
The second usage points to Satan as he, for example, is described using the illustration of the ten crowned horns as ten kings (Revelation 17:12).
The third God’s use of the word “kings” as He speaks about the secular or political rulers of the world. This includes the kings who ruled in the Old Testament as well as New Testament rulers such as King Agrippa. They are in view, for example, in Revelation 6:15, where we read:

And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

The fourth use of the word “kings” is in connection with the true believers, as we read in Revelation 5:10:

And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

The believers are in view, for example, in Revelation 1:5, where we read:

And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

In Revelation 17 and Revelation 18, we read about kings of the earth three times in these chapters. Who are these kings? Are they political rulers or are they the true believers or are they unsaved members of the church?
We do know that Revelation 17 and Revelation 18 are focused entirely on the churches and congregations which are called Babylon. However, to understand which kings are in view in each of these three passages we must examine their context very carefully. The first citation we will examine is Revelation 17:2, which declares:

With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.

We should note in this verse that the action of committing fornication is in the past tense. Therefore, it must be speaking about true believers who in the past, while they were members of the visible church they committed fornication. This is because they were trusting the doctrines taught to them by the church. If any of those doctrines were contrary to the Bible it made those true believers commit spiritual fornication. Of course, from God’s vantage point, they still remained the pure bride of Christ because all of their sins had been covered by the blood of Christ. Once they leave the church and are no longer required to be under its authority, that spiritual fornication can come to an end. There is no possibility that this verse is speaking about the secular or political kings of the earth. This is so because their spiritual fornication continues regardless of what happens to the churches.
In the same verse, God describes others in the church (Babylon) who are guilty of spiritual drunkenness. They closely identify with those whom we read about in Isaiah 28:7:

But they also have erred through wine, and through strong drink are out of the way; the priest and the prophet have erred through strong drink, they are swallowed up of wine, they are out of the way through strong drink; they err in vision, they stumble in judgment.

The second citation where we read the phrase “kings of the earth” is Revelation 17:18, which reads:

And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

In this verse Babylon, which had been the spiritual Jerusalem, is called the great city that reigns over the kings of the earth. In Revelation 21:10, the eternal church is called the great city. Jerusalem is the great city because it is the city of God. On this earth, it is the external representation of the kingdom of God. There exists no kingdom that is greater than the kingdom of God. Therefore, it is a tremendous honor for the churches and congregations to represent the kingdom of God. This is the city that throughout the church age has been given the spiritual oversight of the believers, who in this verse are called the kings of the earth.
It is, of course, true that the Bible is God’s law book that rules over every person in the world. This is proven by the fact that on the last day, each and every individual who has not become saved must answer the accusations of the law of God. Because the visible church has been mandated by God to faithfully declare the law of God (the Bible), to the world, therefore, in that sense, it rules over all the secular and political kings of the earth.
But who are these kings that the Bible refers to in this verse? Please note that the verb “which reigneth” is in the present tense. That means it is a reign that continues. We know, therefore, it cannot refer to the believers who have been driven out of the churches. The kings who are the true believers are no longer under the rule of the church once they leave the church. Therefore, the kings who are in view in this citation must be the political kings.
But does Babylon which had been spiritual Jerusalem rule over the secular or political kings? Indeed, yes! Satan is the rule in the churches that have become Babylon. But he is also the spiritual ruler of all the unsaved of the world. He has been given this authority by Christ who is, of course, King of kings and Lords of lords.
The rule of Satan over all the unsaved in the whole world is emphasized by Revelation 17:15, which declares:

And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

Only when we become saved are we translated out of the dominion of darkness (Satan’s kingdom) into the Kingdom of the Lord Jesus Christ.
The third citation of the phrase “kings of the earth” is given in Revelation 18:3, where we read:

For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.

Again, the verb “have committed” is in the past tense. Therefore, the kings being referred to must be the true believers who were at one time members of churches and therefore susceptible to spiritual fornication because of wrong doctrines held by their churches.
On the other hand, this verse begins with the statement “all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.” The verb “have drunk” is in the perfect past tense. This indicated the action was completed in the past. Thus, we can know that this statement must refer to Satan’s success in defeating mankind in the Garden of Eden. At that time, the whole human race became fornicators in that they began to disobey their husband, the law of God. Romans 7:1-4 assures us that unsaved mankind is married to the law of God.
The phrase “kings of the earth,” is found once more in Revelation 18:9. There we read:

And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning,

Once again we find that the verbs “have committed” and “lived” are in the past tense. Therefore, again, we can know that these kings represent the true believers who before they were driven from the churches or before they obeyed God’s command to leave the churches had committed spiritual fornication.
To summarize the teachings of the Bible concerning the kings of the earth, we can set forth these principles.

1. The only kings present in the churches and congregations are the true believers. All other references to kings of the earth must refer to the political kings or rulers of the world.

2. When these true believers hold doctrines taught to them by their church but which are contrary to the Word of God, they are engaging in spiritual fornication.

3. They do not continue in this spiritual fornication because they are driven out or they obey God’s command to leave the churches. Fact is, they may be driven out because they refuse to continue in spiritual fornication.

4. Satan who reigns in the churches during the Great Tribulation is the same one who caused the whole human race to drink of her fornicating wine (her false gospels) at the very beginning, when the serpent tempted Eve to sin.

5. Satan who reigns in the churches also reigns over the unsaved throughout the world.
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Yup EUROPE is the whore and guess who are the TEN HORNS :

The ten horns you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but who for one hour will receive authority as kings along with the beast. 13 They have one purpose and will give their power and authority to the beast. 14 They will wage war against the Lamb, but the Lamb will triumph over them because he is Lord of lords and King of kings—and with him will be his called, chosen and faithful followers.”
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Yup EUROPE is the whore and guess who are the TEN HORNS :

The ten horns you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but who for one hour will receive authority as kings along with the beast. 13 They have one purpose and will give their power and authority to the beast. 14 They will wage war against the Lamb, but the Lamb will triumph over them because he is Lord of lords and King of kings—and with him will be his called, chosen and faithful followers.”
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“The waters you saw, where the prostitute sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations and languages. 16 The beast and the ten horns you saw will hate the prostitute. They will bring her to ruin and leave her naked; they will eat her flesh and burn her with fire. "
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There is a certain well known on Internet Russian Ortodox lady in Dallas, Texas, who would easily qualify
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The Vatican. With the Anti-christ pope riding her to hell and back. Right?
Have I now become your enemy by telling you the truth? -Gal 4:16

And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. -2 Corinthians 11:14

We are not human beings having a spiritual experience; we are spiritual beings having a human experience. -Pierre Teilhard de Chardin
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The Vatican. With the Anti-christ pope riding her to hell and back. Right?
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it's this lady :


[link to tinypic.com]

“The waters you saw, where the prostitute sits, are peoples, multitudes, nations and languages. "
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simple answer religion and thugs.
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Yup EUROPE is the whore and guess who are the TEN HORNS :

The ten horns you saw are ten kings who have not yet received a kingdom, but who for one hour will receive authority as kings along with the beast. 13 They have one purpose and will give their power and authority to the beast. 14 They will wage war against the Lamb, but the Lamb will triumph over them because he is Lord of lords and King of kings—and with him will be his called, chosen and faithful followers.”
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it doesn't say that at all. the 10 horns are the 10 trading areas, like the eu, the nau, sau, the african union and so on and so forth.

why don't you ones start living and doing, and getting the beast out of power on this world? Instead of rehashing revelations which is incomplete, much of it missing and the rest of it mucked up. the world has been as revelations since the day it was given to this world.
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The Whore of Babylon is the Catholic church. It's headship, in Rome, is located on seven hills. John the revelator, who wrote the book of revelation, was familiar with the topography of Rome, which was, and still is, the flagship of false Christianity and heresy within Christiandom.
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[link to www.holylandmap.net]
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"Come, I will show you the judgment upon the great harlot who sits on many waters, with whom the kings of the earth committed fornication, whereas those who inhabit the earth were made drunk with the wine of her fornication.”


"And he carried me away in [the power of the] spirit into a wilderness. And I caught sight of a woman sitting upon a scarlet-colored wild beast that was full of blasphemous names and that had seven heads and ten horns."



"And he says to me: “The waters that you saw, where the harlot is sitting, mean peoples and crowds and nations and tongues. 16 And the ten horns that you saw, and the wild beast, these will hate the harlot and will make her devastated and naked, and will eat up her fleshy parts and will completely burn her with fire."
Revelation 17:1-18

not talking from religious point of view but from geographical
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"The most shocking mark of this pagan duo can be seen in the symbols adopted by the European Union (Greek Euro shown left). The name chosen for this new nation is “Europa”. Which means - Raped by the Bull- It portrays the sexual misconduct of these two;
“I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast that was covered with blasphemous names” (Revelation 17:3). God has not forgotten her work of diverting multitudes from the true knowledge of the Messiah; “God hath remembered her iniquities...with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all” (Revelation 18:7-21"

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it right into our face

"The beast and the ten horns you saw will hate the prostitute. They will bring her to ruin and leave her naked; they will eat her flesh and burn her with fire."

EUROPE is the whore who will be brought to ruin
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Then I heard another voice from heaven say:
“‘Come out of her, my people,’
so that you will not share in her sins,
so that you will not receive any of her plagues;
5 for her sins are piled up to heaven,
and God has remembered her crimes. "
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As time goes on, I am begining to believe it is not a person or geographical location, but an idea. It is the idea of a consumer lifestyle that has become so prevalent in the past few decades & has spread globally. Even the poorest may not have this lifestyle but long for it.

It is said that all will have lusted for or partaken in her delicacies. She is drunken from the blood of saints -- possibly the fiat system that has enslaved us all?

I have no firm answers, these are just my thought I will put forward for others to consider or disreagrd as appropriate for them.

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Lot of speculation on the topic.

Its a loop, a plan so evil written so long ago.

Venus, the morning star is satan, to those that prevail I will give the morning star. Got it ?

Genesis satan is the knowledge of good and evil. Knowledge = sin.

Satan = sin, the morning star is the system that lets man wallow in sin. Got it ?

The government that starts the smallest ends the biggest. The biggest government (social system) collapses. While this system is growing with knowledge, it is known as possessing the morning star (evil), The evil lets man blindly strip his environment and sell it all off at a profit. This nation is the whore. Babylon is of course the Vatican and great beast that was, is not, but is. (roman empire)

Once the whore is broke and destitute , the system moves to another nation, the broke nation becomes "godly" with a communist system (god communes with man ), no knowledge (middle dark ages) and corporal punishment, and slaves economically to the other nations.


Think of the things you know.
1) hitler allegedly was 60 years ahead of us technologically
2) Mao was said to have set his country back over 60 years

Both nations murdered millions. We currently murder millions globaly using politicide as a justification such as in terror square. We have stalin to thank for that. You can not kill millions for thier skin color now, just their political beliefs.

Point is the call was sent out some ten years ago now to come out of her. Some that could hear it demanded to stay, like any good novel, the ending must be played.


The one thing that would crash this system of systematic annihilation, is a fixed currency. a $1. = $1. everywhere, then those at the top could no longer enslave us with interest rates, fiat currency, etc. The anti savior is the savior. 999 = vatican coming to collect from the slaves.
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New age messiah's mother.
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"The most shocking mark of this pagan duo can be seen in the symbols adopted by the European Union (Greek Euro shown left). The name chosen for this new nation is “Europa”. Which means - Raped by the Bull- It portrays the sexual misconduct of these two;
“I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast that was covered with blasphemous names” (Revelation 17:3). God has not forgotten her work of diverting multitudes from the true knowledge of the Messiah; “God hath remembered her iniquities...with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all” (Revelation 18:7-21"

[link to shipofthewest.com]

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it right into our face

"The beast and the ten horns you saw will hate the prostitute. They will bring her to ruin and leave her naked; they will eat her flesh and burn her with fire."

EUROPE is the whore who will be brought to ruin
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Um... wow.
Wikipedia (I know I know) even has a picture of Europa terracotta figurine from Athens that is dated from 460-480 BC which would be very close to the time that the book of Daniel was written. She is sitting on a bull.

[link to secure.wikimedia.org (secure)]

(edit: I don't know why the link doesn't hyper. Just search "Europa mythology" on Wiki)

damned

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Anyone ever hear of the Babylonian Talmud? Jerusalem also sits on seven hills. And the whore, that's Israhell's bitch, who sits on many waters, nations etc.

None other than America.
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hi I do!!
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"the great harlot who sits on *many waters*" (waters describe people, international in scope)
"the kings of the earth committed fornication" (not political)
the political elements use her.
"those who inhabit the earth [entire world influence] were made drunk with the wine of her fornication.” (poisonous influence)
"scarlet-colored wild beast" (Daniels' prophecy ch 7 calls governments 'beasts' she 'rides' the beast


so there isn't *one* location the whore of Babylon inhabits. she fornicates with the *kings* of the *earth*
she has world-wide influence. no one church (not even the Catholic) has a complete world-wide influence.

Geographically speaking, this is talking about *every* religion that is politically active. that gets those "drunk" to go to war. (blessing armies).

The better question to ask: is who is Babylon NOT?
what religion is politically neutral?
abstains from warfare?
has been persecuted by Babylon? (persecuted world-wide by every other religion)

There is only one answer. tell me what you think.

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