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HERE IS THE KEY TO UNLOCKING THE BOOK OF REVELATION VERY EASILY..

 
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Through Cayce's otherworldly journeys, he learned the true interpretation of the Bible. According to Cayce, the Bible is the symbolic account of the fall and restoration of the human soul to its divine origins. Genesis is the symbolic testimony of humanity's fall from heaven and paradise lost. Revelation is the symbolic testimony of humanity's restoration to heaven and paradise found.
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I didn't say Jesus sinned, neither does the scriptures...

But he seemed to love wine, and drank a large enough quantity that the people around him made accusations against him... Isn't this what the scriptures say...

Possibly your church thinks its a sin to drink or get drunk, like the scriptures say, “Be ye angry, and sin not…” (Ephesians 4:26)



OP what do you think?

I am against no one, but I want to share from my heart, lest some misunderstand me, I am not a theologian, I am just a regular guy, who is unlearned, and who is asking questions about my own Christianity, and the Christianity of others.

Jesus was called a drunkard, and a sinner. Jesus makes an interesting comment about "not coming out of there until you pay the last pence, which seems to indicate a temporary punishment.

Paul seems to indicate he had a personal sin in his life, unless you believe it was poor eyesight, but how would that keep you humble? I mean I believe Paul had a moral failure. It was NOT bad eye site, that humbled him...How could it, but if he failed morally somehow, this would explain Romans 6-8.

Imagine...
God says to you, "I need you humble", "I'm going to give you bad eye sight". Or "I'm going to brake your arm." YOU Protest: "God, How will a broken arm keep me humble?" BUT IF YOU FAIL, YOU SIN...And your heart cries to God for relief, and God says "My grace is sufficient for you"...Do you not then find yourself going through Romans 6-8 in your own personal life?
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Jesus was no drunk because he was sinless. Jesus said he came to save the world and that he did. When the Bible mentions his turning wine into water it was unfermented because that was the opposite of what Christ taught as you will see in scripture.

1 Corinthians 6:10
Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Galatians 5:21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

1 Corinthians 5:11 ESV / 15 helpful votes

But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one.

Proverbs 23:21 ESV / 12 helpful votes

For the drunkard and the glutton will come to poverty, and slumber will clothe them with rags.

Ephesians 5:18-20 ESV / 10 helpful votes

And do not get drunk with wine, for that is debauchery, but be filled with the Spirit, addressing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody to the Lord with your heart, giving thanks always and for everything to God the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ,

Ephesians 5:18 ESV / 7 helpful votes

And do not get drunk with wine, for that is debauchery, but be filled with the Spirit

Over and over we are told if Jesus came to save the world then we must be aware that alcohol is against God. Remember he made gallons of wine and if we know the Jesus of the Bible who quoted scripture then we know it was non-alcoholic.
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Also you can get drunk without being a drunkard...Everything with God is about the heart and motive, for when he judges, it is from all perspectives.



OP what do you think?

I am against no one, but I want to share from my heart, lest some misunderstand me, I am not a theologian, I am just a regular guy, who is unlearned, and who is asking questions about my own Christianity, and the Christianity of others.

Jesus was called a drunkard, and a sinner. Jesus makes an interesting comment about "not coming out of there until you pay the last pence, which seems to indicate a temporary punishment.

Paul seems to indicate he had a personal sin in his life, unless you believe it was poor eyesight, but how would that keep you humble? I mean I believe Paul had a moral failure. It was NOT bad eye site, that humbled him...How could it, but if he failed morally somehow, this would explain Romans 6-8.

Imagine...
God says to you, "I need you humble", "I'm going to give you bad eye sight". Or "I'm going to brake your arm." YOU Protest: "God, How will a broken arm keep me humble?" BUT IF YOU FAIL, YOU SIN...And your heart cries to God for relief, and God says "My grace is sufficient for you"...Do you not then find yourself going through Romans 6-8 in your own personal life?
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Jesus was no drunk because he was sinless. Jesus said he came to save the world and that he did. When the Bible mentions his turning wine into water it was unfermented because that was the opposite of what Christ taught as you will see in scripture.

1 Corinthians 6:10
Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Galatians 5:21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

1 Corinthians 5:11 ESV / 15 helpful votes

But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one.

Proverbs 23:21 ESV / 12 helpful votes

For the drunkard and the glutton will come to poverty, and slumber will clothe them with rags.

Ephesians 5:18-20 ESV / 10 helpful votes

And do not get drunk with wine, for that is debauchery, but be filled with the Spirit, addressing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody to the Lord with your heart, giving thanks always and for everything to God the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ,

Ephesians 5:18 ESV / 7 helpful votes

And do not get drunk with wine, for that is debauchery, but be filled with the Spirit

Over and over we are told if Jesus came to save the world then we must be aware that alcohol is against God. Remember he made gallons of wine and if we know the Jesus of the Bible who quoted scripture then we know it was non-alcoholic.
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I didn't say Jesus sinned, neither does the scriptures...

But he seemed to love wine, and drank a large enough quantity that the people around him made accusations against him... Isn't this what the scriptures say...

Possibly your church thinks its a sin to drink or get drunk, like the scriptures say, “Be ye angry, and sin not…” (Ephesians 4:26)


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Jesus turned wineinto water because he could out drink any man alive....he was a carpenter and all....
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OP Look I'm loving your orig post, and feel that we might really be on the same page, of kindred spirit, so I'm trying to be gracious here...Please read my posts with care, and please ponder them OK....EX: I never said the scriptures were of a private interpretation, in fact the only interpretation is the one given by revelation and THAT revelation is by THE SPIRIT, IF he chooses to reveal it to you. Men on the other hand DO have an interpretation that can be from their mind and thus if not in agreement with the "Author" would be a private (doctrine of men), and thus it would be wrong.


Wow you said so much but made a lot of sense to me. In the best way I can answer your ??'s let me say this. First off no Bible scripture is of any private interpretation, the Bible is inspired by Holy prophets who received the information by the Lord. There are many denominations who claim to have the truth, prophecies, light etc. The reformers of so many Christian denominations taught a different gospel then the same denominations teach now. I grew up in several protestant churches who taught a different gospel (good news) then what the Bible teaches. I have no problem telling you their lies because it has to do with OUR salvation. First hell is not eternal, death is but asleep, the Sabbath day is Saturday, the Papacy is the beast system. I asked my old pastor how about God's sabbath day he said it no longer applies, but only the 9 other one's do! That was a red flag to me. God wrote the 10 commandments with his own finger on blue sapphire that was a replica of the heavenly sancturary and the only commandment # 4 which states- "remember" is the one we not only disregard but the one we fret upon. Christians are under attack and with the new laws coming out we will no longer be able to read the words of the Bible or we will be hit with hate crime legislation.
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Dude, I'm sorry but you give me a bad vibe...

Jesus turned wineinto water because he could out drink any man alive....he was a carpenter and all....
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you are all on the wrong tack.

what is the book of the revelation? it is the revealing about what has been previously hidden about jesus christ. it is not prophecy, it is history. and where does it take place? not in the world, it takes place internally. john takes the little scroll and eats it. he internalizes the word. and what is the word? it is jesus, and vice versa. jesus was the scriptures robed in flesh.

revelation is the internal process of becoming the son of man.
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Interesting, in fact I've thought this is possible, being that God places great emphasis upon the spiritual, upon types, and hidden meaning...(unto you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom).

Can you expound or give link / author / book for more info?



you are all on the wrong tack.

what is the book of the revelation? it is the revealing about what has been previously hidden about jesus christ. it is not prophecy, it is history. and where does it take place? not in the world, it takes place internally. john takes the little scroll and eats it. he internalizes the word. and what is the word? it is jesus, and vice versa. jesus was the scriptures robed in flesh.

revelation is the internal process of becoming the son of man.
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Interesting, in fact I've thought this is possible, being that God places great emphasis upon the spiritual, upon types, and hidden meaning...(unto you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom).

Can you expound or give link / author / book for more info?



you are all on the wrong tack.

what is the book of the revelation? it is the revealing about what has been previously hidden about jesus christ. it is not prophecy, it is history. and where does it take place? not in the world, it takes place internally. john takes the little scroll and eats it. he internalizes the word. and what is the word? it is jesus, and vice versa. jesus was the scriptures robed in flesh.

revelation is the internal process of becoming the son of man.
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What AC4284512 said is NOT Christianity and it does NOT come from God.

Jesus specifically told John in Rev 1:19, "Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter."

Revelation, is the revealing of Jesus Christ. It is past, present, and future, and it outlines the great battle between God and Satan and the end result.

We are to humble ourselves daily, exalting God and His Son, while learning the meekness and patience of our lovely Savior. "He must increase, and I must decrease." said John the Baptist. Anyone who begins to focus on themselves and seeks glory for themselves have no acquaintance with the Creator of this Universe. The Gospel of JEHOVAH is death to self, not the exalting of it.

The idea that we have are 'gods' is a terrible Satanic delusion which will send millions to eternal destruction. We are not gods, but pathetic sinners, who are made alive forever by the blood and power of Jesus Christ.
The Truth About Thread: The FINAL EVENTS Of Bible Prophecy

"We here are of the conviction that the papacy is the seat of the true and real Antichrist." - Martin Luther (Aug. 18, 1520)

"While God has given ample evidence for faith, He will never remove all excuse for unbelief. All who look for hooks to hang their doubts upon will find them. And those who refuse to accept and obey God's Word until every objection has been removed, and there is no longer an opportunity for doubt, will never come to the light" (The Great Controversy, p. 527).

"Jesus did not come to change the law, but he came to explain it, and that very fact shows that it remains, for there is no need to explain that which is abrogated." - Charles Spurgeon

"Jesuit Adam Weishaupt established the modern version of the Illuminati specifically to be a front organization behind which the Jesuits could hide. After being formally abolished by Pope Clement XIV in 1773, the Jesuits used the Illuminati and other organizations to carry out their operations. Thus, the front organizations would be blamed for the trouble caused by the Jesuits."
Bill Hughes (Author of The Secret Terrorists and The Enemy Unmasked)
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Ya know, it's more likely that the bible is just crap. Ya know?
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Proof, please.
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you are all on the wrong tack.

what is the book of the revelation? it is the revealing about what has been previously hidden about jesus christ. it is not prophecy, it is history. and where does it take place? not in the world, it takes place internally. john takes the little scroll and eats it. he internalizes the word. and what is the word? it is jesus, and vice versa. jesus was the scriptures robed in flesh.

revelation is the internal process of becoming the son of man.
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perfect, absolutly perfect hf


'course the kingdom is eternal, it never ends....
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Interesting, in fact I've thought this is possible, being that God places great emphasis upon the spiritual, upon types, and hidden meaning...(unto you it has been given to know the secrets of the kingdom).

Can you expound or give link / author / book for more info?


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the mystery of christ is contained in marriage. please see my next post to "voice in the wilderness." he needs some tuning up that i cant give him, but his response is a good starting off point for more then i must do some other things and get back later.

we already have the book. it says to ask god and he will answer. only seekers find. keep seeking, but count the cost.
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What AC4284512 said is NOT Christianity and it does NOT come from God.

Jesus specifically told John in Rev 1:19, "Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter."

Revelation, is the revealing of Jesus Christ. It is past, present, and future, and it outlines the great battle between God and Satan and the end result.

We are to humble ourselves daily, exalting God and His Son, while learning the meekness and patience of our lovely Savior. "He must increase, and I must decrease." said John the Baptist. Anyone who begins to focus on themselves and seeks glory for themselves have no acquaintance with the Creator of this Universe. The Gospel of JEHOVAH is death to self, not the exalting of it.

The idea that we have are 'gods' is a terrible Satanic delusion which will send millions to eternal destruction. We are not gods, but pathetic sinners, who are made alive forever by the blood and power of Jesus Christ.
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what i wrote was true, but it was not complete. jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever, therefore your statement is correct. and so is mine.

look at the genealogy in matthew. 14 generations from the babylonian exile until christ. jesus is number 13.

jesus was active for 3 and a half years. he is the first born and only begotten son of god. the second 3 and a half years are for christ to make his presence inside of people, for those who have prepared the way for him in the wilderness of their hearts. revelation is the internal process by which this takes place. john eats the little scroll and takes the word from the father into himself. we are the bride - all of us females(flesh). the egg inside of us marries with the code of the scriptures to form in us a son, a son of man. it is this child who is god with us. it is this man who will rise up in our hearts and reveal himself to the whole world. we shall not all die, but will be transformed in the twinkling of an eye. the whole world will see him because he has his chosen all over the world, in every race and tongue and religion. the world, not having changed a bit except to be worse than ever, will seek to kill these ones.

it all in the book. its all happened before. its been happening ever since jesus, and its about to happen again on amass scale. repent, for the time is at hand. all that other churchy crap you spewed is just bullshit.
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I think u misunderstood him...I dont think he is saying we are gods, nor do I think he is focusing on self, mystics like madam Guyon have written about these things using the NT for centuries.




What AC4284512 said is NOT Christianity and it does NOT come from God.

We are to humble ourselves daily, exalting God and His Son, while learning the meekness and patience of our lovely Savior. "He must increase, and I must decrease." said John the Baptist. Anyone who begins to focus on themselves and seeks glory for themselves have no acquaintance with the Creator of this Universe. The Gospel of JEHOVAH is death to self, not the exalting of it.

The idea that we have are 'gods' is a terrible Satanic delusion which will send millions to eternal destruction. We are not gods, but pathetic sinners, who are made alive forever by the blood and power of Jesus Christ.
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I think u misunderstood him...I dont think he is saying we are gods, nor do I think he is focusing on self, mystics like madam Guyon have written about these things using the NT for centuries.



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What AC4284512 said is NOT Christianity and it does NOT come from God.

We are to humble ourselves daily, exalting God and His Son, while learning the meekness and patience of our lovely Savior. "He must increase, and I must decrease." said John the Baptist. Anyone who begins to focus on themselves and seeks glory for themselves have no acquaintance with the Creator of this Universe. The Gospel of JEHOVAH is death to self, not the exalting of it.

The idea that we have are 'gods' is a terrible Satanic delusion which will send millions to eternal destruction. We are not gods, but pathetic sinners, who are made alive forever by the blood and power of Jesus Christ.



I was replying primarily to the following: "revelation is the internal process of becoming the son of man."

This is a new age doctrine. "THE Son of Man" is a name of Jesus Christ in the Bible, and one of the main teachings of the New Age is that we are all on the path to godhood, to becoming gods ourselves, that we are Jesus. So to talk about one's process of 'becoming the son of man' essentially speaks of the process of 'becoming Jesus Christ'.

It is true that the terms 'son of man' is also sometimes applied to simple men, referring to that person being a human being. However, this is not the case here. Biblically, a male is considered to be a 'son of man' right from birth. From his birth to his death he is always considered the son of man. Thus we can see that the process of 'becoming THE son of men' during adulthood cannot be anything other than what man attempting to take the place of God himself.

This may seem insignificant to you but this issue either breaks or makes everything about the God, the Bible, and the plan of salvation.

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The Truth About Thread: The FINAL EVENTS Of Bible Prophecy

"We here are of the conviction that the papacy is the seat of the true and real Antichrist." - Martin Luther (Aug. 18, 1520)

"While God has given ample evidence for faith, He will never remove all excuse for unbelief. All who look for hooks to hang their doubts upon will find them. And those who refuse to accept and obey God's Word until every objection has been removed, and there is no longer an opportunity for doubt, will never come to the light" (The Great Controversy, p. 527).

"Jesus did not come to change the law, but he came to explain it, and that very fact shows that it remains, for there is no need to explain that which is abrogated." - Charles Spurgeon

"Jesuit Adam Weishaupt established the modern version of the Illuminati specifically to be a front organization behind which the Jesuits could hide. After being formally abolished by Pope Clement XIV in 1773, the Jesuits used the Illuminati and other organizations to carry out their operations. Thus, the front organizations would be blamed for the trouble caused by the Jesuits."
Bill Hughes (Author of The Secret Terrorists and The Enemy Unmasked)
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Tell me what you think of this, I've been pondering these things for a couple yrs now, every since I got out of the hospital (almost died)...

My "thoughts" have been changing and Christianity (doctrines) are going through a process also...

I share this stuff, because my interest is two fold.

1). I hope that other Ecklesia (if indeed I am ecklesia)read my post and gain hope, that they are hearing and are not crazy.

2). That I may connect with some, as I believe the ecklesia will be revealed to one another via resurrection and earthquake as we saw in the resurrection of Jesus after an earthquake.

OK Here goes, I'll just paste them all below and hope you have a chance to read them and respond, sorry it's a long post...I would love to hear more from you, I lean towards the internal / spiritual / mystical side of Christianity.



First off let me say, I love the scriptures, I think they are from God, and are truth, this truth, is revealed by the author, and the author is to be known. The truth is within the text, explained by the same one who wrote it, if we interpret it, we end up with a private interpretation. The author is greater than the book, yet that doesn't diminish the book, or the truth that it contains.

Today many know the bible, but have never had God become real to them through the scriptures. Most people have never had God make himself known to them even through a beautiful sunset. To most God is just history, or he is way off in space somewhere.

The importance is not in experiences, but instead experiencing God. I contend, you have to experienced God. Possibly he opens the scriptures to you, and makes them come alive, they became a "word" of God to you. Possibly it would be like you and I having coffee everyday together, sharing life and all things included. We would age together and become deep friends. We may never have a spiritual experience, but we would definitely experience each other, as Moses experienced God at the tent, when Miriam and Aron spoke against Moses, and God spoke about how He and Moses were friends. Moses experienced God. God was experienced by everyone we read about in the OT and the NT.

I fear that the so-called church, the large visible body that meets on the corner of every city in America is missing God. There are many within this so-called visible church (though fewer in number) that truly belong to Jesus, these are the invisible church. From my point of view, the visible church has sprung up not from experiencing God, but from its exposure to the bible "The Scriptures", but this is not necessarily so, of the invisible church "The Ecklesia".

For example most people throughout history couldn't read, we had no printing presses, and when printed most people couldn't afford the bible, this is seen during the dark ages, yet the ecklesia thrived. How? It wasn't because they had a bible; it was because God was real and made himself known to them. Possibly through someone who had a bible, but probably not.

Brother Lawrence / Laubach; in his book practicing the presence; makes the claim that God became real to him, by seeing a tree losing it leaves, knowing life would again come to the tree the following year.

Here forgive me.... Let me expound more and just be open, even though we don't know each other, possibly we can glean from one another as two who see the forest from different angles?

Could it be, that True and False Christianity...Are both produced by the Bible. Everything is about contrast (light, dark, evil, and good), or it's to express God's glory, and his many attributes...God even created evil for this purposes.

The contrast in Christianity is the true church, and the false church. The invisible ecklesia -vs- the large visible body of people in every church, on every corner. The wheat, and the chaff or tare. The good seed and the bad seed. The Pharisee, and Jesus, sheep and Goats, Light and darkness.

Today is a replay of the life of Jesus in his body singular (the one that died on the cross); now this body "His Body" is plural, many membered...The same prosecutions, torments, dying, will happen in us as it did in him. Now the Pharisees are the religious of today. True Christianity and false Christianity, is so close, to the real church, the real walk, the real life...So close that it could even fool the elect, if that were possible....

So how does God establish the tare, this large so-called church. Do we see it throughout time? Yes, and it all started with two trees. The tree of life, and the tree of knowledge. We see the essence of these two trees, in many forms. One is in the visible church, and the invisible church, the wheat and tare.

The large visible church exists and is sustained by the visible, tangible, written word (The Bible). They find themselves at home with the text, they can control it, they build laws, rules, religious rituals, and doctrines. By this same knowledge they also remove God, who is Spirit, out of their midst, issues of control, a form of religion, and rules, that denies the power thereof. There is no body ministry, led of God's Sprit.

Do you think this would all be obvious, and plainly visible, or only visible to us by discernment? It had to be hidden, even from those who were in the midst of it, or else they would not have participated. Both sides, real and false are hidden, even from themselves. If not hidden, you couldn't get anyone to participate in this plan of God.

I'm not against these people; most are genuine, nice, sweet people. But we are discussing truth here. Now God is revealing these things to us, and getting ready to reveal us to each other, to reveal the true church to herself, to reveal the false church to the true.

While most of the members of both groups are wonderful people and well intentioned, the visible false church, is still like the Pharisees of old. They search the scriptures daily, but won't come to Christ, that they might have life. In fact they were never destined to life, this is what the scriptures say, the body / the ecklesia / the invisible church has life, they were destined to life, from the beginning.

The true body, the ecklesia exist by "the word", they know a hidden walk, they know the masters voice. This has got to be the common denominator throughout time, since many could not read, and the few that could read, didn't have a copy of the bible. Yet the Ecklesia flourished, even in the dark ages, and in countries that never allowed sacred texts, like China, and Russia...

Today both flourish, and this thing called church, or churchianity, has said to all, we represent God. But they do not, and God is getting ready to show this world, his true church, the ecklesia....God's mercy, and the world demand such an event, to rid God, of the stain of falsehood. Whether that be TV preachers, or even all the pain caused to so many in the name of God by so-called Christianity, which was NOT Christianity, but instead, it was this false church the large, visible church, this system.

God is separating HIS people "The Ecclesia from this thing called church, "churchianity". He is building his kingdom, it is on the inside. That is what Jesus says.

There is no way for light and darkness to fellowship together and there is NO way all those people in all these churches are truly born again via an encounter with Christ. That encounter must take place...We must experience God.

So there is no way they can fellowship with you, or you with them, if you are part of that invisible "REAL" church, for what fellowship does light have with darkness. You might as well go to a Safeway store and try and "do church" with all the people there, it will not work.

Remember Jesus says "my sheep hear my voice", and man shall not live by bread alone, the word of the Lord came unto, peter rise and eat, ETC. You see what I mean? "The word of the Lord" via "The scriptures" can become a fresh word to you, but, we can not use the terms "The word" and "the bible" interchangeably.

The point I'm making is, there is a lot written in the bible about hearing, hardly anything about reading. Everything written in the bible was spoken before it was written. Genesis was spoken, and then written by Moses.

We must come to a common denominator, for people to receive Christ, to hear the message, or to experience Christianity, and it cannot be the bible, even though God has used the scriptures to do so on occasion. Still I love the scriptures, and they are true, they are God inspired. They have just been elevated to a position by this false church, where they have taken the place of God.

Also to express my point, do this: Every place in the scriptures where it says, "the word" or "the word came unto" replace every instance with "The bible"....It just will not make sense...

As far as people hearing "The word" vs studying "The scriptures" I see a big difference between the two. One is heard, one is read. Many can read, few can hear. One is always spoken, and one is written, but can be made alive to you, and become a spoken word. God also speaks apart from the scriptures, remember God spoke to Adam and Moses before there was a written bible.

Thus we have interchanged the two, elevating "The bible" above God, and the leading of the Spirit, and we have placed the bible above "The Word"...

I wonder, could we say that we love the scriptures, and that they are inspired, but God never meant for us to live by them, nor the jewish people the Torah. But instead by the Spirit / the word / His breath...His words of promise, leading us into all truth?

We have two types of church. Those led by the Spirit, and those seeing and leaning only on "The book". I love the scriptures, and I have several bibles. BUT we must not elevate the bible above God, and I'm afraid that is what many churches (people) have done.

The "Word" and "The bible" are not one and the same...The common denominator throughout time Has been God reaching out to man, possibly by a sunset, or a person who was "LED" of the spirit to witnesses to you, or God speaks to you, but God has not, at all times used the bible. Of course there are times that the Spirit moves someone, through the use of Scripture, but that is not my point.

What do we say of the first 3000 years of man, until Moses wrote the Torah, where was God? He was doing what he has always done, personally interacting with man.

The faith we have is more than intellectual knowledge, it IS LIFE...Two trees were in the garden; today we face that same thing? "Knowledge" OR "Life"...



I don't believe in free will, a greater level of trust and faith is needed when we believe the truth, that WE REST in HIS hands.

The truth is; there is no free will, at least not for those who are called...Basic bible reading will reveal this truth...

Here's how:

Adam sinned, yet in Genesis we read the story of, Sarah, a king takes her and God says to him, give her back, for I have kept you from sinning against me. Why not keep Adam from sinning? Because God had a plan, no fall in the garden, no sin, means no cross and no crucifixion. Also no marriage supper of the Lamb. All those men in the bible did not cooperate, with God, helping God create a masterful story. The fact is they were "Moved" by God to do God's will.

Then in the story of Moses, we have Moses getting kicked out of Egypt because he killed and Egyptian.

Now imagine, you have to set up that scenario so that, it would unfold as planned...What if that guy had taken a different route or had an extra cup of tea? He wouldn't have been a witness to the murder, by Moses of the Egyptian... and Moses would have stayed in Egypt.

David was promised a son whose kingdom would not end ("in reality Jesus", but yet humanly it was Solomon)...Solomon, the child of promise and prophecy, born out of adultery, and murder....

What if all those men and women in the Old Testament did exactly the right thing, somehow using their free will, to choose, any direction in life they desired. How would we have all those stories?

Ex:What if God called Jonah, and Jonah said "God you want me to go to Nineveh? Sure God, I'll do it"...God says "Now wait Jonah. I need you to refuse, so I can have a huge fish swallow you. I need it for this book I'm writing called "The Bible"... Jonah says "Sorry God no, I have a free will, and I've decided to go to Nineveh"...

Now repeat this example 70-100 times, and we have NO BIBLE STORIES...

Then of course we have Romans 9:16

Everything then depends on God's mercy and not on what people want or do. In the Scriptures the Lord says to Pharaoh of Egypt, "I let you become Pharaoh, so that I could show you my power and be praised by all people on earth." Everything depends on what God decides to do, and he can either have pity on people or make them stubborn.

Someone may ask, (as we read in Romans Ch 9) "How can God blame us, if he makes us behave in the way he wants us to?" But, my friend, I ask, "Who do you think you are to question God?



I think as in all texts of the scriptures, they have to be revealed to you...

If it is NOT revelation of truth to you, then it is useless...

Even if the Pastor has it revealed to him, by The Spirit (which is RARE), how will he give that revelation to you, since revelation of truth is from The Spirit to your spirit.

Mostly what we see is a man or pastor, giving his head knowledge / intellectual learning (NOT revelation) to his congregation...YOU can NOT receive life giving truth like that, it doesn't work this way.



I am not a theologian, I am just a regular guy, who is unlearned, and who is asking questions about my own Christianity, and the Christianity of others.

Jesus was called a drunkard, and a sinner. Jesus makes an interesting comment about "not coming out of there until you pay the last pence, which seems to indicate a temporary punishment.

Paul seems to indicate he had a personal sin in his life, unless you believe it was poor eyesight, but how would that keep you humble? I mean I believe Paul had a moral failure. It was NOT bad eye site, that humbled him...How could it, but if he failed morally somehow, this would explain Romans 6-8.

Imagine...
God says to you, "I need you humble", "I'm going to give you bad eye sight". Or "I'm going to brake your arm." YOU Protest: "God, How will a broken arm keep me humble?" BUT IF YOU FAIL, YOU SIN...And your heart cries to God for relief, and God says "My grace is sufficient for you"...Do you not then find yourself going through Romans 6-8 in your own personal life?


And Finally my testimony and 4 unusual dreams:


MY STORY:
I came from a violent home, (drugs, alcohol, gun shots, being chased with knives, people thrown through picture pane windows), in fact I was born three months early because my father kicked my mother in the stomach, I was born weighing two pounds nine ounces, this was DEC of 1956.

As early as 7yrs old, I was out on the streets till 3-4am, I was put in three orphanages... One night I remember, my father snuck into our house, he put a loaded pistol in my hand and told me too shoot my sisters and my mother, it was crazy. Through all of this, (which I wouldn't change), I came out a fairly normal kid, I was involved in sports and didn't do drugs, or drink. I thought I was a survivor, wanting only too make it through another day.

At age 16 (in 1974) I started too sense a need in my life, an emptiness that I couldn't explain. I knew I had too find God/Jesus, but who was HE? I had no idea where too find HIM, so I went to the local library to find books concerning world religions, God, and the occult. At the library I met an ex hippie (Gary Osborn) he saw my books and decided too share the message with me. Gary invited me to pray in the back of his V.W. so I did, I remember saying "God forgive me for my sins, and whatever you have for me I want it all".

Well at first nothing happened I expected, lightening or something. Gary said, "Just go home and praise God" I said, "What's that, mean" Gary said, "Just thank him" So I did just that.

The remaining is sacred to me, before I asked Jesus into my heart, I never heard voices, I never drank, and I never did drugs, but one week after meeting Jesus while in the middle of my last class (during high school) A voice, just as clear, as someone standing next too you, spoke, and as the voice spoke it said to me, "rod tell them about Jesus" I was surprised, but unafraid, I put my hand over my mouth, since I didn't want anyone too think I was talking too myself, I said (to whoever spoke too me) "I don't know what to say" the voice said "don't be afraid, I'll give you the words to say" To this day I don't remember my words, but I spoke too those kids about Jesus and salvation, their mouths just dropped open and then, class was over, I walked out of that room, feeling like I had never felt before.

The next day was Saturday; I slept in the living room on an old couch. When I woke it was early and I decided too turn on the TV, to watch my favorite cartoon, the roadrunner.

As I sat there watching the TV, I got up and looked outside, everything was so beautiful, (I never appreciated nature, I just wanted too make it thru another day). BUT now it was so pretty, I sat back down on the couch, and as I did I was somewhere else.

I was sitting at a long rough hewn table, to my right was God, the father, I couldn't see him, to my left was Satan, him I could see (he looked like a man only very big) then in front of me was Jesus, three bowls appear, filled with what looked like porridge. Now the father spoke and said Satan dismiss yourself, Satan stood and screamed, then vanished. Three bites were taken out of the bowl. Then all at once I was watching myself from a distance, walking with Jesus up a grassy pathway. Jesus was speaking to me but from a distance I couldn't hear him, I could see myself shaking my head (like I understand) then thru my eyes I saw the house where I had been sleeping.

I didn't know what had happened; I'd never experienced anything like that, but I knew two things, I had too find a pastor to talk too, and I KNEW GOD loved me and wanted something from me...my total surrender, my life totally under his control, every second, moment by moment, and I was consumed with this one desire, to live too PLEASE HIM. Let me give you an example: When a friend from school would come over and say, "Hey rod." "Let's go to a show" I'd say, "hold on." Then Id go in the bathroom and pray, "Lord should I go?" Sometimes the Lord would say "go", sometimes "no" At times He was silent, when this happened I would look inside, to my heart, (Spirit), (see Colossians 3:15) if I had peace I would go, If not, Id stay home.

As I practiced this new desire, (surrender), I noticed the voice of the Lord became more frequent and clearer, (John 10:27). It always had to agree with scripture. The word of the Lord will always agree with the true meaning and / or the true interpretation of scripture).

I new I needed to get a bible, I went to a bookstore and I got the largest family bible Id ever seen, with pictures and everything. I was so happy. That night the voice of the lord said, "Read Matthew 5." I had to look in the contents; I didn't know where Matthew was. When I found it and started too read, the words became a ("Word of the Lord to me") they just jumped off the page, they seemed to come alive, and they filled me, with hope, love and peace. Now I knew God loved me, and my sins were gone, I was forgiven...

As time passed I grew, sometimes Id walk into a busy office or building (like a D.O.L) and the Lord would say go sit by that guy, I would strike up a conversation, then say "you don't know me but I'm a Christian and God is going too share with me about your life" I don't mean simple things like "you have the flu" or "Headaches", but deep, personal things that others couldn't know or even guess. People would usually start to cry and ask "how did you know?" I'd say "I didn't but God knew".

One of the best lessons from the Lord concerning trusting Him happened like this; I was traveling from Philly to Atlantic city, I got on the road, and started to hitch a ride, (it wasn't illegal at that time) within one hour and twenty minuets I was in Atlantic city (which was a one hour drive!) I got 4 different rides, as I stepped into each vehicle I boldly proclaimed "Hi I'm a child of the King, and God's going to bless you for picking me up!" God gave me very personal details about each of those people and all but one came to Christ.

When I got to Atlantic City, God said "Rod, when you get to the prayer meeting tonight I want you to give all your money, to Johnnie Diaz". I said "Lord that's all I've got?" (About 300.00) God replied; "you take care of your brothers and sisters in the Lord and I'll take care of you." So upon arriving in Atlantic City, I secretly gave all my money to Johnnie, (this was to cover something for Johnnie that was very personal, so I know he didn't share this with anyone).

That night I asked myself "how am I going to get back to work, tomorrow? I didn't have a penny, not even enough for bus fare, and in my spirit I knew I wasn't to hitch hike, but instead the Lord wanted me on the bus. After sleeping that night and leaving the brothers house the next day, (where the meeting had been held), I started walking to the bus station. As I got closer and closer, I was imagining, "is the drivers going to just "know" he's suppose to let me ride for free?" But as I approached the depot, a brother named "Chicky" came out of his house and said "rod I think the Lord wants me to give this to you." It was exactly what I needed for bus fare!

This has been a short summary of my life, oh one more thing. Life didn't continue this way for me, I ruined that. I don't live surrendered moment by moment now, or my heart is hidden from me, I'm just not sure. Where does man find the will and desire to live such a life, or is it a gift as is repentance?

Should I confess the most difficult thing in my life with you? After all we are strangers! After living this way for sometime and seeing my life change, and having peace beyond comprehension, I disobeyed the lord after he spoke too me. I lived to obey him, it was my passion...I knew a man, he was a believer, and his name was Bob Chorney. Bob was like the father I never had. Bob is dead now, I loved him very much, and we forgave one another.

One day I went to visit Bob, we talked and prayed for a while then Bob said, "rod", "Paula is gone (Bob's wife). "Why don't you go to dinner with me"? Immediately the Lord spoke and said "rod don't go" I said Bobby I can't go. He said "oh rod go with me ". I said Bob I can't. I prayed back too the lord, in my mind saying "Lord it will be alright, you know I don't drink, I'll just eat something with Bob" The Lord didn't reply. So we went. All was well until a brother named Aggie Rodriguez, started to argue with Bob, I couldn't watch, so I started to leave, as I went outside Bob said "Rod if your going to walk you might as well walk all the way back too Washington, and don't come back" OH the pain. Well the next morning, Bob and Paula showed up, Bob said "rod forgive me I'm so sorry", the Lord spoke instantly and said "rod forgive him, go too him tell him it's ok and that you love him". I said "Lord I can't. I won't, it hurts too bad".

Soon I left for Washington. My life, outside of God's will, was torture. No peace, no answers, sin in total control.

Jean Nicholas Grou says, "God delights in two things, for a man too know God and too know himself." I now know what I'm capable of without him, living life for myself, Sinning, being rebellious. I want to recommend a couple books that I discovered a few years ago, the book is "Practicing the presence" BY Lawrence and Labach, there are two versions this one is best and includes Labach's testimony. "Hinds feet on High places" and "The breaking of the outer man for the release of the spirit" By Watchman Nee are very good also.

1).How do you describe this LIFE? As a Christian it's hard to do. As I recall moments in my own life, I think of times of stillness, in the midst of activity or in the quiet of night. The presence of His Spirit was there, sometimes speaking other times He was silent, yet the undeniable presence of His Spirit was so real. You couldn't describe it too anyone else, sometimes he was so near, almost physical, at other times He was, just felt, deep in your heart. I could at times think, and He would answer. Sometimes the answer was spoken, and at other times it was a still small voice in my heart. Sometimes I would see a person, and while looking at them, I knew about them. I recall the passion to tell others about him at any given moment, looking for such an occasion never caring where I was, or who was near by. Constantly His Love moved over me in waves and yet it abode, never departing. I would wake up in the middle of the night and He was there, like a mother hen. I remember the love for others that was not my own. I remember feeling, and being, separate from the world yet still in its midst. I recall not worrying about the kind of car I drove, or the condition of my clothes, knowing that He was fully aware of all these things.


Here is Dream #1:

I was on the head of a beast, in a large body of water (Like the ocean). It was night and the darkness was so real it could be felt. The clouds above were very thick and black. The beast was thrashing as if it wanted to throw me off. I was so afraid!
I was holding on as tight as I could. Then I looked up, and when I did, the clouds opened and rays of light came through the clouds, with the light came that voice that I had heard before and knew so well.

He said "Rod; if I'm ever to use you, I must break you"!
I woke, wet with sweat, shaking...Saying as I woke, "thank you, Lord you haven't forgotten me"

Here is Dream #2:

I am in a church; it is a large church, one that in reality I have never seen. This was a dream that was so real; it was as if I were really there.
In the dream I am cleaning the bathroom floor, on my hands and knees, with a small brush. I stand as a priest comes into the room. I start to speak to him, about spiritual things, he listens, and then I leave the restroom and enter the foyer.

I notice the large room is built in a round fashion and that the windows are also large. People are leaving to go outside. As I exit the building, an earthquake hits, I look up and the sky is doing this "warp 9 star trek" kind of thing. I look to my left and I notice a man is in his car, his head is bleeding, he is dead.

Everyone starts to rejoice, saying "yes that is the big one"! I yell "No". "There is another one coming, and it is much larger"

I start to run for my home, and as I cross a large open area, I reach what looks like a ditch. I jump, but instead of a ditch it a huge open area, a chasm, the ground thousands of feet below! I start to fall so fast, picking up speed as I fall. I yell out "Jesus save me" Something grabs me and lowers me to the ground gently...I start running again.

Here is Dream # 3.

I see a street sign, the name on the sign is Jordan Road. I am walking and then I get picked up by someone in a van. He asks were I'm going and I tell him a few miles ahead.

Then as we reach the destination, I thank him, and look to my right, there is a house in a field. The house is glowing and the light is emanating from the inside of the house, and is visible to me even from a distance.

I know the people within the house are waiting for me, and that I have been somewhere, doing HIS will / work, and that I traveled in a spiritual way, but arrived back in the van.

The love and light from the house are supernatural, the love I feel for them, and the love I perceive from them is not normal love.


Here is Dream # 4:

I am in a large room, with many people, I recognize one or two people, the room is full of people from many different places.

I am standing on a raised platform, that is approx 6-8 inches higher than the floor.

Then I know I am suppose to speak the following words; "Holy Spirit come"...
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I was replying primarily to the following: "revelation is the internal process of becoming the son of man."

This is a new age doctrine. "THE Son of Man" is a name of Jesus Christ in the Bible, and one of the main teachings of the New Age is that we are all on the path to godhood, to becoming gods ourselves, that we are Jesus. So to talk about one's process of 'becoming the son of man' essentially speaks of the process of 'becoming Jesus Christ'.

It is true that the terms 'son of man' is also sometimes applied to simple men, referring to that person being a human being. However, this is not the case here. Biblically, a male is considered to be a 'son of man' right from birth. From his birth to his death he is always considered the son of man. Thus we can see that the process of 'becoming THE son of men' during adulthood cannot be anything other than what man attempting to take the place of God himself.

This may seem insignificant to you but this issue either breaks or makes everything about the God, the Bible, and the plan of salvation.
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jesus warned against teachings like that.

Matthew 23:13
But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.

i would resent your insinuation that i am a part of some group. god doesnt deal with groups, he deals with individuals. but i understand. the best you can hope for is that no one really pays any attention to you.
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what i wrote was true, but it was not complete. jesus is the same yesterday, today and forever, therefore your statement is correct. and so is mine.

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2 = 0 or Eshu....
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What AC4284512 said is NOT Christianity and it does NOT come from God.

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all religions come from God....Islam/jewish people/whatever
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The key is to read it as the fear mongering fiction that it was written to be...FICTION, and poorly written fiction at that.
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this is to:
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many are called, but few are chosen. the calling does nothing. its what YOU do with it that counts. the good news is that jesus dies for the sins of the whole world so sin is no longer the issue. period. so sin away. and no, i do not mean to take license. i mean to be open and honest. only when we confess our sins to men is the lord faithful to cleanse us from unrighteousness. how can anyone know what they are truly like if they hide all the time? and if you cant see the problem, how on earth are you gonna fix it? there are no assholes in the kingdom. wouldnt be much like heaven then, would it?

you have free will all wrong. it is the most precious gift our father gave us. it is without repentance, as per usual with god. thats why you dont see killers and rapists and such being struck down as they begin their work. we all have free will. the caveat is that we will reap what we have sown. sow away. get busy. because the lord would rather you be cold or hot. sitting on your hands will ensure that you are simply fuel for the fire.

have you read the scriptures? that is the beginning. you must take the scriptures into you. just read it, straight through. dont worry about what it means. just read it all. read it again, like a book. each time you read it you will see things you didnt before. each time your understanding will grow. the more familiar you are with them, the more the spirit will recall them to mind. god speaks in a still small voice. the only consequences to ignoring him is you dont get to know him, or he you. that too is a choice and free will reigns supreme.

do you want to really know god? act like him. god is love. paul nailed it in 1 corinthians 13. those are ways of being. do that and you will see just exactly what its like to be god. it aint fun in an evil world, let me tell ya.

forget all that church stuff. its a distraction. you have no one to answer to but god. thats why churches say otherwise. they lose all meaning to one who truly is his own high priest.

you must walk out the whole scriptures in some form or another. the path is clear and simple. jesus said "follow me". thats a really fine place to start. put away all those strange gods of the christians and follow the law. not the letter of the law, though there is merit in that and eating kosher is highly recommended, but fulfill the spirit of the law. a jewish is a jewish in his heart. the outward jewish people today are false. its in the book, cover to cover.

head knowledge will get you nowhere. repentance is a literal changing of the mind. did god condemn saul for stoning christs followers? nope. he saw the raw material of a perfect 12th disciple, thats what. remember - hot or cold. saul had integrity. he could commit. god just tweaked his perception a bit and he was off and running.


there is a lot of info packed into my words here. they are specific and fit with the scriptures. to understand me you will have to understand the scriptures. to understand the scriptures you must walk them out. you DO the lesson and THEN get the understanding, instead of the other way around which man thinks is education.

as peter notes, paul says some pretty advanced stuff. i have never seen a proper understanding of any of the new testament in print. or preached. doctrines of men, anyone?



Matthew 16:16-18

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16And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.

17And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.

18And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

peter is not the rock. revelation FROM THE FATHER is the rock. you dont get the revelation unless you obey the scriptures. its just that simple. no man, no matter how correct, can tell it to you. it wont do any good. it may do more harm than good. dont believe a word i say. i am just another man. ask god and he will answer you. in fact, that is another of the keys of the kingdom - who you gonna listen to? be still and KNOW that he is god.


again, sin is not the issue. who you are, thats the issue.

thats an interesting life. you are sincere. but you need some grounding. jesus said if someone asks you to go with him, do it. that was not the voice of god telling you to the contrary. take in the scriptures and do them. then you can discern the spirits, if they are of god or not. like dorothy in the wizard of oz, we have had the way home with us all along, we just dont use it.

this life? it is the garden of god. tend it.


i am no daniel or joseph so i dont know about your dreams. they all seem personal. pictures are the language of god. just remember them and have them and god will call them to mind when needed or their use may be done. remember lots wife.
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I was replying primarily to the following: "revelation is the internal process of becoming the son of man."

This is a new age doctrine. "THE Son of Man" is a name of Jesus Christ in the Bible, and one of the main teachings of the New Age is that we are all on the path to godhood, to becoming gods ourselves, that we are Jesus. So to talk about one's process of 'becoming the son of man' essentially speaks of the process of 'becoming Jesus Christ'.

It is true that the terms 'son of man' is also sometimes applied to simple men, referring to that person being a human being. However, this is not the case here. Biblically, a male is considered to be a 'son of man' right from birth. From his birth to his death he is always considered the son of man. Thus we can see that the process of 'becoming THE son of men' during adulthood cannot be anything other than what man attempting to take the place of God himself.

This may seem insignificant to you but this issue either breaks or makes everything about the God, the Bible, and the plan of salvation.
 Quoting: A Voice In The Wilderness


jesus warned against teachings like that.

Matthew 23:13
But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.

i would resent your insinuation that i am a part of some group. god doesnt deal with groups, he deals with individuals. but i understand. the best you can hope for is that no one really pays any attention to you.
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No, Jesus warned against deception such as the one that was presented. How can one find the audacity to try reason with Scripture when he ignores nearly everything it says?

"I am God and there in NONE like me, saith the LORD."

Your quest to become 'the son of man' will only end in eternal ruin.

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"We here are of the conviction that the papacy is the seat of the true and real Antichrist." - Martin Luther (Aug. 18, 1520)

"While God has given ample evidence for faith, He will never remove all excuse for unbelief. All who look for hooks to hang their doubts upon will find them. And those who refuse to accept and obey God's Word until every objection has been removed, and there is no longer an opportunity for doubt, will never come to the light" (The Great Controversy, p. 527).

"Jesus did not come to change the law, but he came to explain it, and that very fact shows that it remains, for there is no need to explain that which is abrogated." - Charles Spurgeon

"Jesuit Adam Weishaupt established the modern version of the Illuminati specifically to be a front organization behind which the Jesuits could hide. After being formally abolished by Pope Clement XIV in 1773, the Jesuits used the Illuminati and other organizations to carry out their operations. Thus, the front organizations would be blamed for the trouble caused by the Jesuits."
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No, Jesus warned against deception such as the one that was presented. How can one find the audacity to try reason with Scripture when he ignores nearly everything it says?

"I am God and there in NONE like me, saith the LORD."

Your quest to become 'the son of man' will only end in eternal ruin.
 Quoting: A Voice In The Wilderness


under what authority do YOU judge ??
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"I am God and there in NONE like me, saith the LORD."

 Quoting: A Voice In The Wilderness


and just where exactly does this statement originate ????
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"I am God and there in NONE like me, saith the LORD."

 Quoting: A Voice In The Wilderness


and just where exactly does this statement originate ????
 Quoting: Sugarelf


Isaiah 46:9

ALL of our actions, thoughts, and words will be judged and compared against the Word of God and the principles of God's government which are contained within. The Word of God contains the standard by which we are to be judged. The blood and power of Jesus Christ cleanses the sin-stained record and restores us back to the moral image in which we were created before the fall of man, and enables us to stand blameless during the judgement for it is the merits of Jesus Christ which have wiped away the record and memory of our sins.

This is why the Word clearly states in Acts 4:11,12 "This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner. Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved."


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The Truth About Thread: The FINAL EVENTS Of Bible Prophecy

"We here are of the conviction that the papacy is the seat of the true and real Antichrist." - Martin Luther (Aug. 18, 1520)

"While God has given ample evidence for faith, He will never remove all excuse for unbelief. All who look for hooks to hang their doubts upon will find them. And those who refuse to accept and obey God's Word until every objection has been removed, and there is no longer an opportunity for doubt, will never come to the light" (The Great Controversy, p. 527).

"Jesus did not come to change the law, but he came to explain it, and that very fact shows that it remains, for there is no need to explain that which is abrogated." - Charles Spurgeon

"Jesuit Adam Weishaupt established the modern version of the Illuminati specifically to be a front organization behind which the Jesuits could hide. After being formally abolished by Pope Clement XIV in 1773, the Jesuits used the Illuminati and other organizations to carry out their operations. Thus, the front organizations would be blamed for the trouble caused by the Jesuits."
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"I am God and there in NONE like me, saith the LORD."

 Quoting: A Voice In The Wilderness


and just where exactly does this statement originate ????
 Quoting: Sugarelf


Isaiah 46:9


 Quoting: A Voice In The Wilderness



Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,


now who exactly is speaking here ????

God, and NOT the Lord
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"I am God and there in NONE like me, saith the LORD."

 Quoting: A Voice In The Wilderness


and just where exactly does this statement originate ????
 Quoting: Sugarelf


Isaiah 46:9


 Quoting: A Voice In The Wilderness



Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,


now who exactly is speaking here ????

God, and NOT the Lord
 Quoting: Sugarelf


The God of the Bible, the Creator, Lord, etc. All refer to JEHOVAH.

"These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens." Genesis 2:4

It is vital to understand that the term 'LORD' is the Tetragrammaton, as it's called.

Anytime you see the word 'LORD' in ALL capitals in the Bible, in the original Hebrew it literally states 'YHVH', which is the original name of the Creator. This is where we get God's official name of 'JeHoVaH' and 'YaHVeH' for they are the closest to what the original name sounded like.

The jewish people held the name of God in utmost reverence because it was HOLY. Thus, in common conversation the name of God, YAHVEH, was never uttered. In fact, YHVH was so holy to them(the fear of the Lord) that when the Hebrew Scriptures were translated into the Greek and our current languages, the custom remained and the translators used the term 'LORD' anytime 'YHVH' was present.

Who is God? The LORD, JEHOVAH, the Creator of heaven and earth.
The Truth About Thread: The FINAL EVENTS Of Bible Prophecy

"We here are of the conviction that the papacy is the seat of the true and real Antichrist." - Martin Luther (Aug. 18, 1520)

"While God has given ample evidence for faith, He will never remove all excuse for unbelief. All who look for hooks to hang their doubts upon will find them. And those who refuse to accept and obey God's Word until every objection has been removed, and there is no longer an opportunity for doubt, will never come to the light" (The Great Controversy, p. 527).

"Jesus did not come to change the law, but he came to explain it, and that very fact shows that it remains, for there is no need to explain that which is abrogated." - Charles Spurgeon

"Jesuit Adam Weishaupt established the modern version of the Illuminati specifically to be a front organization behind which the Jesuits could hide. After being formally abolished by Pope Clement XIV in 1773, the Jesuits used the Illuminati and other organizations to carry out their operations. Thus, the front organizations would be blamed for the trouble caused by the Jesuits."
Bill Hughes (Author of The Secret Terrorists and The Enemy Unmasked)
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It is vital to understand that the term 'LORD' is the Tetragrammaton, as it's called.

 Quoting: A Voice In The Wilderness


:tettytety:

72 degrees F = 22 degrees C

Revelations = 22 chapters
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The God of the Bible, the Creator, Lord, etc. All refer to JEHOVAH.

"These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens." Genesis 2:4

 Quoting: A Voice In The Wilderness


the God (Elohim) in the first 33 verses of the Bible is NOT the 'Lord God' (Jehovah) that you reference in Genesis 2:4,

the Bible clearly distinguishes the two as separate entities....
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It is vital to understand that the term 'LORD' is the Tetragrammaton, as it's called.

 Quoting: A Voice In The Wilderness


:tettytety:

72 degrees F = 22 degrees C

Revelations = 22 chapters
 Quoting: Sugarelf


two sevens = six nine

:trickytriangle:

secret of the runes

:69runes77:

note the two 7s forming a '69' in the middle....


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