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U.C.C. - ARTICLE 9 - SECURED TRANSACTIONS; SALES OF ACCOUNTS AND CHATTEL PAPER

PART 1. SHORT TITLE, APPLICABILITY AND DEFINITIONS
§ 9-109. Classification of Goods: “Consumer Goods”; “Equipment”; “Farm Products”; “Inventory”.
Goods are

(1) “consumer goods” if they are used or bought for use primarily for personal, family or household purposes;

(2) “equipment” if they are used or bought for use primarily in business (including farming or a profession) or by a debtor who is a non-profit organization or a governmental subdivision or agency or if the goods are not included in the definitions of inventory, farm products or consumer goods;

Relevant applicable stare decisis case cites relating directly to UCC 9-109:

“Under UCC §9-109 there is a real distinction between goods purchased for personal use and those purchased for business use. The two are mutually exclusive and the principal use to which the property is put should be considered as determinative.” James Talcott, Inc. v Gee, 5 UCC Rep Serv 1028; 266 Cal.App.2d 384, 72 Cal.Rptr. 168 (1968).

“The classification of goods in UCC §9-109 are mutually exclusive.” McFadden v Mercantile-Safe Deposit & Trust Co., 8 UCC Rep Serv 766; 260 Md 601, 273 A.2d 198 (1971).

“Automobile purchased for the purpose of transporting buyer to and from his place of employment was ``consumer goods'' as defined in UCC §9-109.” Mallicoat v Volunteer Finance & Loan Corp., 3 UCC Rep Serv 1035; 415 S.W.2d 347 (Tenn. App., 1966).

“The provisions of UCC §2-316 of the Maryland UCC do not apply to sales of consumer goods (a term which includes automobiles, whether new or used, that are bought primarily for personal, family, or household use).” Maryland Independent Automobile Dealers Assoc., Inc. v Administrator, Motor Vehicle Admin., 25 UCC Rep Serv 699; 394 A.2d 820, 41 Md App 7 (1978).

Federal Case Law Confirms

IN RE BARNES
United States District Court,
D Maine, September 15, 1972
Bankruptcy No. BK 72-129ND, No. EK 72-13OND

[9109] Consumer goods - automobile for transportation to and from work.

The use of a vehicle by its owner for purposes of traveling to and from his employment is a personal, as opposed to a business use, as that term is used in UCC § 9-109(l), and the vehicle will be classified as consumer goods rather than equipment.


The phraseology of § 9-109(2) defining equipment as goods used or bought for use primarily in business seems to contemplate a distinction between the use of collateral “in business” and the mere use of the collateral for some commercial, economic or income-producing purpose by one not engaged “in business.”

The appropriate filing place turns upon the classification of the collateral as consumer goods or equipment. The Uniform Commercial Code classifies goods as consumer goods

“. . . if they are used or bought for use primarily for personal, family or household purposes. (2). Fn (2) 11 MRSA § 9-109(1).

It is the court's opinion that the use of a vehicle by its owner for purposes of traveling to and from his employment is a “personal,” as opposed to a business use, as that term is used in UCC § 9-109 (1). The phraseology of UCC § 9-109 (2), defining “equipment” as goods used or bought for use primarily “in business” seems to contemplate a distinction between the use of collateral “in business,” and the mere use of the collateral for some commercial, economic or income-producing purpose by one not engaged “in business.”

Traveling to and from work is a PERSONAL use NOT a BUSINESS use!

This ruling is consistent with the undisputed fact that “The classification of goods is determined by its primary use” (Barron’s Law Dictionary, Third Edition, 1991) and not by the type of goods, including, but not limited to, vehicles:

CONSUMER GOODS ARE NOT REQUIRED TO BE REGISTERED!

A vehicle not used for commercial activity is a “consumer goods”, . . . it is NOT a type of vehicle required to be registered and “use tax” paid of which the tab is evidence of receipt of the tax.” Bank of Boston v. Jones, 4 UCC Rep. Serv. 1021, 236 A2d 484, UCC PP 9-109.14.

“Thus self-driven vehicles are classified according to the use to which they are put rather than according to the means by which they are propelled.” Ex Parte Hoffert, 148 NW 20.

“The Supreme Court, in Arthur v. Morgan, 112 U.S. 495, 5 S.Ct. 241, 28 L.Ed. 825, held that carriages were properly classified as household effects, and we see no reason that automobiles should not be similarly disposed of.” Hillhouse v United States, 152 F. 163, 164 (2nd Cir. 1907).

“A soldier's personal automobile is part of his “household goods[.]” U.S. v Bomar, C.A.5(Tex.), 8 F.3d 226, 235” 19A Words and Phrases - Permanent Edition (West) pocket part 94.

“... [T]he exemptions provided for in section 1 of the Motor Vehicle Transportation License Act of 1925 (Stats. 1925, p. 833) in favor of those who solely transport their own property or employees, or both, and of those who transport no persons or property for hire or compensation, by motor vehicle, have been determined in the Bacon Service Corporation case to be lawful exemptions. --In re Schmolke (1926) 199 Cal. 42, 46.

“The right of a citizen to travel upon the public highways and to transport his property thereon in the ordinary course of life and business is a common right which he has under his right to enjoy life and liberty.... It includes the right in so doing to use the ordinary and usual conveyances of the day; and under existing modes of travel includes the right to drive a horse-drawn carriage or wagon thereon, or to operate an automobile thereon for the usual and ordinary purposes of life and business. It is not a mere privilege, like the privilege of moving a house in the street, operating a business stand in the street, or transporting persons or property for hire along the street, which the city may permit or prohibit at will.” --Thompson v. Smith, 154 S.E. 579.

In view of this rule a statutory provision that the supervising officials “may” exempt such persons when the transportation is not on a commercial basis means that they “must” exempt them.” --State v. Johnson, 243 P. 1073; 60 C.J.S. section 94, page 581.

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Great find OP! Hopefully there is a lawyer in here that will take this up with their state and we can see if this will work?

Would there be any circumstance where a state law would supersede a federal law, in this instance?
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UCC code has been adopted by almost every state. Uniform commercial code. It is an attempt to get everybody operating under the same laws. sk
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Great find OP! Hopefully there is a lawyer in here that will take this up with their state and we can see if this will work?

Would there be any circumstance where a state law would supersede a federal law, in this instance?
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Here's Nevada's code regarding registration:

NRS 482.205 Registration required for certain vehicles. Except as otherwise provided in this chapter and NRS 706.188 [see below], every owner of a motor vehicle, trailer or semitrailer intended to be operated upon any highway in this State shall, before the motor vehicle, trailer or semitrailer can be operated, apply to the Department or a registered dealer for and obtain the registration thereof.

NRS 706.188 Agreement between Department and motor carrier or service provider regarding registration or transfer or renewal of registration of vehicle; bond or other security; fees; regulations.

1. Upon the request of a motor carrier or a service provider, the Department may enter into an agreement with the motor carrier or service provider which authorizes the motor carrier or service provider:

(a) Without applying to the Department, to register or transfer or renew the registration of any vehicle:

(1) Owned solely by the motor carrier or service provider; or

(2) Leased solely by the motor carrier or service provider, if the lease is a long-term lease; and

(b) To issue registration credentials on behalf of the Motor Carrier Division of the Department for any vehicle registered pursuant to paragraph (a) and for any vehicle with a registration that has been renewed or transferred pursuant to paragraph (a).

2. Before registering or transferring or renewing the registration of any vehicle pursuant to subsection 1:

(a) A motor carrier who enters into an agreement with the Department pursuant to this section shall file with the Department a bond of a surety company authorized to transact business in this State for the benefit of this State in an amount not less than $25,000; and

(b) A service provider who enters into an agreement with the Department pursuant to this section shall file with the Department a bond of a surety company authorized to transact business in this State for the benefit of this State in an amount not less than $50,000.

3. If a motor carrier or service provider provides a savings certificate, certificate of deposit or investment certificate pursuant to NRS 100.065 in lieu of the bond required pursuant to subsection 2, the certificate must state that the amount is not available for withdrawal except upon the approval of the Director of the Department.

4. If at any time a motor carrier or service provider is unable to account for an unissued license plate or decal, the motor carrier or service provider must immediately pay to the Department an amount established by the Department.

5. The Director of the Department shall adopt such regulations as are necessary to carry out the provisions of this section.

6. As used in this section:

(a) “Lease” has the meaning ascribed to it in NRS 482.053.

(b) “Long-term lease” means a lease for a fixed period of more than 31 days.

(c) “Motor carrier” means a common, contract or private motor carrier registered through the Motor Carrier Division of the Department.

(d) “Registration credentials” includes, without limitation, license plates, registration cab cards, decals and temporary authority permits.

(e) “Service provider” means a business or organization authorized by the Department to register or transfer or renew the registration of vehicles on behalf of motor carriers.

(Added to NRS by 2009, 391)

source: [link to leg.state.nv.us]
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How do all these men with radically modified 4x4 trucks pass safety and emissions testing?
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So, like are we supposed to make a copy of this, and drive around town with it stapled to the back of our old registration, and present it when a cop stops us ?
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Great find OP! Hopefully there is a lawyer in here that will take this up with their state and we can see if this will work?

Would there be any circumstance where a state law would supersede a federal law, in this instance?
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Here's Nevada's code regarding registration:

NRS 482.205 Registration required for certain vehicles. Except as otherwise provided in this chapter and NRS 706.188 [see below], every owner of a motor vehicle, trailer or semitrailer intended to be operated upon any highway in this State shall, before the motor vehicle, trailer or semitrailer can be operated, apply to the Department or a registered dealer for and obtain the registration thereof.

NRS 706.188 Agreement between Department and motor carrier or service provider regarding registration or transfer or renewal of registration of vehicle; bond or other security; fees; regulations.

1. Upon the request of a motor carrier or a service provider, the Department may enter into an agreement with the motor carrier or service provider which authorizes the motor carrier or service provider:

(a) Without applying to the Department, to register or transfer or renew the registration of any vehicle:

(1) Owned solely by the motor carrier or service provider; or

(2) Leased solely by the motor carrier or service provider, if the lease is a long-term lease; and

(b) To issue registration credentials on behalf of the Motor Carrier Division of the Department for any vehicle registered pursuant to paragraph (a) and for any vehicle with a registration that has been renewed or transferred pursuant to paragraph (a).

2. Before registering or transferring or renewing the registration of any vehicle pursuant to subsection 1:

(a) A motor carrier who enters into an agreement with the Department pursuant to this section shall file with the Department a bond of a surety company authorized to transact business in this State for the benefit of this State in an amount not less than $25,000; and

(b) A service provider who enters into an agreement with the Department pursuant to this section shall file with the Department a bond of a surety company authorized to transact business in this State for the benefit of this State in an amount not less than $50,000.

3. If a motor carrier or service provider provides a savings certificate, certificate of deposit or investment certificate pursuant to NRS 100.065 in lieu of the bond required pursuant to subsection 2, the certificate must state that the amount is not available for withdrawal except upon the approval of the Director of the Department.

4. If at any time a motor carrier or service provider is unable to account for an unissued license plate or decal, the motor carrier or service provider must immediately pay to the Department an amount established by the Department.

5. The Director of the Department shall adopt such regulations as are necessary to carry out the provisions of this section.

6. As used in this section:

(a) “Lease” has the meaning ascribed to it in NRS 482.053.

(b) “Long-term lease” means a lease for a fixed period of more than 31 days.

(c) “Motor carrier” means a common, contract or private motor carrier registered through the Motor Carrier Division of the Department.

(d) “Registration credentials” includes, without limitation, license plates, registration cab cards, decals and temporary authority permits.

(e) “Service provider” means a business or organization authorized by the Department to register or transfer or renew the registration of vehicles on behalf of motor carriers.

(Added to NRS by 2009, 391)

source: [link to leg.state.nv.us]
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Tricky wording there in the beginning. bolded. Also would look up the word motor vehicle in a law dictionary. "Sometimes words have two meaning". One legal and one ordinary, and common.
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So, like are we supposed to make a copy of this, and drive around town with it stapled to the back of our old registration, and present it when a cop stops us ?
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I would suggest you get educated about your right to drive. did you know the supreme court has upheld your right to drive without a license. You have to call it traveling. not driving. I will find the case law and post it, in a few minutes. Don't rush into things but take some time to study a little bit. Before you take the plates off your car. I know people that have done this and it is working for them. But they have taken the time to do a little studying. sometimes it is the cost of freedom. Knowing who you are and from where your rights come from. Not from a piece of paper.

The constitution did not give you your rights. It just reaffirmed them. One right you have is to contract. If a contract is in form it may superceed constitutional law. Learn about the hidden contract you have become entangled in. sk
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Here is the forum I originally posted this thread on, with further discussion for those interested.

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Georgia was trying to get this law passed in the state. It never was past, but it shows some underlying laws in terms of your right to travel/drive according to the constitution. sk

GA To Allow Right To Drive Without A License?
10-4-10


10 LC 34 2350
House Bill 875
By: Representative Franklin of the 43rd
A BILL TO BE ENTITLED
AN ACT

To amend Title 40 of the Official Code of Georgia Annotated, relating to motor vehicles and traffic, so as to repeal Chapter 5, relating to drivers' licenses; provide for a short title; to report the findings of the General Assembly regarding the constitutionality of certain laws relating to drivers' licenses; to provide for an effective date; to repeal conflicting laws; and for other purposes.
BE IT ENACTED BY THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF GEORGIA:
SECTION 1.
This Act shall be known and may be cited as the "Right to Travel Act."
SECTION 2.
The General Assembly finds that:

(1) Free people have a common law and constitutional right to travel on the roads and highways that are provided by their government for that purpose. Licensing of drivers cannot be required of free people because taking on the restrictions of a license requires the surrender of an inalienable right;

(2) In England in 1215, the right to travel was enshrined in Article 42 of Magna Carta:
It shall be lawful to any person, for the future, to go out of our kingdom, and to return, safely and securely, by land or by water, saving his allegiance to us, unless it be in time of war, for some short space, for the common good of the kingdom: excepting prisoners and outlaws, according to the laws of the land, and of the people of the nation at war against us, and Merchants who shall be treated as it is said above.

(3) Where rights secured by the Constitution of the United States and the State of Georgia are involved, there can be no rule making or legislation that would abrogate these rights. The claim and exercise of a constitutional right cannot be converted into a crime. There can be no sanction or penalty imposed upon an individual because of this exercise of constitutional rights;

(4) American citizens have the inalienable right to use the roads and highways unrestricted in any manner so long as they are not damaging or violating property or rights of others. The government, by requiring the people to obtain drivers' licenses, is restricting, and therefore violating, the people's common law and constitutional right to travel;

(5) In Shapiro v Thompson, 394 U.S. 618 (1969), Justice Potter Stewart noted in a concurring opinion that the right to travel "is a right broadly assertable against private interference as well as governmental action. Like the right of association...it is a virtually unconditional personal right, guaranteed by the Constitution to us all." The Articles of Confederation had an explicit right to travel; and we hold that the right to travel is so fundamental that the Framers thought it was unnecessary to include it in the Constitution or the Bill of Rights;


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Here is a list of court cases that support your right to travel. You can look them up. Google is your friend. sk


Court Cases supporting Right to Travel
Here is a compilation of court cases supporting Traveling is a Right, not a privilege.

Barron v Burnside - 121 US 186

Boone v Clark - 214 SW 607

Buchanan v Warley - 245 US 60, 74

Chicago Motor Coach v Chicago - 169 NE 22

Cummins v Jones - 155 P. 171

Deibel v Dreiss - 50 NE 2d 1000 (1943)

Ferrante Equipment Co v Foley Machinery Co - NJ 213 A.2d 208, 211, 49 NJ 432

Gardner v City of Brunswick - 28 SE 2d 135

Hadfield v Lundin - 98 Wn 657; 168 P. 516

Hale v Henkel - 201 US 43

Hoke v Henderson - 15 NC 15, 25 AM Dec.677

In re Hong Wah - 82 Fed 623

Kent v Dulles - 357 US 116, 125

Ligare v Chicago - 28 NE 934

McKevitt et al v. Golden Age Breweries Inc - 126 P.2d 1077 (1942)

Miranda v Arizona - 384 US 436, 491 (1966)

Murdock v Pannsylvania - 319 US 105

O'Conner v. City of Moscow - 69 Idaho 37

Packard v Banton - 44 SCt 257, 264 US 140

Parish of Morehouse v Brigham - 6 S 257

Parish v Thurston - 87 Ind 437 (1882)

People v Nothaus - 147 Colo 210

Robertson v Dept of Public Works - 180 Wash 133 at 139

Rogers Construction Co v Hill, Or - 384 P.2d 219, 222, 235 Or 352

Spann v City of Dallas - 235 SW 513

State v City of Spokane - 109 Wn 360; 186 P. 864

State v Johnson - 243 P.1073

Thompson v Smith (Chief of Police) - 154 SE 579, 580

Weirich v State - 140 Sis 98

Wells v Zenz - 236 P. 485

Western Turf Assn. v Greenberg - 204 US 359

Williams v Fears - 343 US 270, 274
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So, like are we supposed to make a copy of this, and drive around town with it stapled to the back of our old registration, and present it when a cop stops us ?
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I would suggest you get educated about your right to drive. did you know the supreme court has upheld your right to drive without a license. You have to call it traveling. not driving. I will find the case law and post it, in a few minutes. Don't rush into things but take some time to study a little bit. Before you take the plates off your car. I know people that have done this and it is working for them. But they have taken the time to do a little studying. sometimes it is the cost of freedom. Knowing who you are and from where your rights come from. Not from a piece of paper.

The constitution did not give you your rights. It just reaffirmed them. One right you have is to contract. If a contract is in form it may superceed constitutional law. Learn about the hidden contract you have become entangled in. sk
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Thanks Seeker
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good job erick. its nice to see you know your info.
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..HERE ARE THE FEDERAL STATUTES ON THE DRIVER LICENSE AND PLATES. THESTATE HAS TO COMPLY WITH THESE REGULATIONS. THE STATES CAN NOT MAKEUP THEIR OWN RULES UNLESS IT GIVES YOU MORE FREEDOM, NOT LESS. MOSTPEOPLE HAVE THIS BACKWARDS. THEY THINK THE STATE HAS THE POWER TOOVERRIDE THESE RULES FROM THE FED AND PLACE STRICTER REGULATIONSON YOU.

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bump suggest pin and 5 stars. for this thread to continue. its useful for those who are looking for such info.
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Regardless of what you may think about the 'proof' you are still required by STATE law to have your car registered and in most cases have insured for the PRIVILEGE of driving it on state roadways.

And yes traveling is a right. Traveling on public roads in an automobile is a privilege.

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Sometimes the truth sounds like an insult when you are not use to hearing it.

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And the truth shall set you free...literally.
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Regardless of what you may think about the 'proof' you are still required by STATE law to have your car registered and in most cases have insured for the PRIVILEGE of driving it on state roadways.

And yes traveling is a right. Traveling on public roads in an automobile is a privilege.
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I disagree. And law supports my position. What you have is an opinion unsupported by law. Have you bothered to look at the court cases listed above. Obviously not or you would not continue to support your point of view. sk
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And the truth shall set you free...literally.
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Yes truly. We have been bamboozled to long. Time to understand our rights and make sure they are not trampled on. sk
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good job erick. its nice to see you know your info.
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Thanks for your support. Frederick is ok. I use it on the other forum. Lots of good info there. enjoy. sk
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U.C.C. - ARTICLE 9 - SECURED TRANSACTIONS; SALES OF ACCOUNTS AND CHATTEL PAPER

Buncha words blaha bla bla more words and bullshit bla blah blah.
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Im a human being. I do not register my personal property or obtain license to use it.

End of story.
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Regardless of what you may think about the 'proof' you are still required by STATE law to have your car registered and in most cases have insured for the PRIVILEGE of driving it on state roadways.

And yes traveling is a right. Traveling on public roads in an automobile is a privilege.
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I disagree. And law supports my position. What you have is an opinion unsupported by law. Have you bothered to look at the court cases listed above. Obviously not or you would not continue to support your point of view. sk
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I take it you don't pay federal income tax either?
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Regardless of what you may think about the 'proof' you are still required by STATE law to have your car registered and in most cases have insured for the PRIVILEGE of driving it on state roadways.

And yes traveling is a right. Traveling on public roads in an automobile is a privilege.
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I disagree. And law supports my position. What you have is an opinion unsupported by law. Have you bothered to look at the court cases listed above. Obviously not or you would not continue to support your point of view. sk
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I take it you don't pay federal income tax either?
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I redeem my federal reserve notes for lawful money. Lawful money is not taxable. FRN can be redeemed on demand. You pay a useage tax on all FRN as they are the property of a private company.

Title 12 USC §411 :
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“Federal reserve notes, to be issued at the discretion of the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System for the purpose of making advances to Federal reserve banks through the Federal reserve agents as hereinafter set forth and for no other purpose, are authorized. The said notes shall be obligations of the United States and shall be receivable by all national and member banks and Federal reserve banks and for all taxes, customs, and other public dues. They shall be redeemed in lawful money on demand at the Treasury Department of the United States, in the city of Washington, District of Columbia, or at any Federal Reserve bank. “

Thread: Pay No Taxes legally -End the FED -synopsis page 8-Why are waiting for someone to do it for us like Ron paul

Are you a federal agent or a federal bank. If you have FRN you must be or you are breaking the law. SEE ABOVE.
Geez I wonder what kind of contractual obligation you are under using FRN. hmmmmm no wonder you have no standing under the constitution.

I pay all the taxes I am required to pay by LAW. Its just at this point I have not had to pay them in quite a few years. sk
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Someone tell that to the $200 ticket I got last year for not having my registration ON me, it was not expired I just wasn't carrying it.
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Someone tell that to the $200 ticket I got last year for not having my registration ON me, it was not expired I just wasn't carrying it.
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I know I got one for no current registration and no safty sticker, too. I refused it for cause, over 6 months ago and have not had to pay a dime. You have 72 hrs to refuse any offer to contract. R4C Refused for Cause. I have a restricted signature on my drivers license, which helps out. Oh and no court appearances to date. sk

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Sso much of the legal jargon is so far over my head to even understand the first word of it.

Wanted to bump you for others.


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Sso much of the legal jargon is so far over my head to even understand the first word of it.

Wanted to bump you for others.


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Its really pretty simple. All your rights are intact until you contract them away. The government thinks if you are receiving a benefit, there is an unspoken contract. There is case law they use to support their position. So when you go to court they presume you to be one of the people under contract with them, which forces you to comply with all their rules and regulation. A presumption unrebuted is believe by them to be true. No one rebuts their presumption and are therefore subject to their jurisdiction.

Kind of like if you work for a company and I don't. When you go to work for them you might have to sign a contract to follow the rules of the company. Such as dress codes. If I come and visit you at work, someone may presume that I work for the company and if I am not dress properly they might try to enforce the dress code on me. Until I inform them I do not work for the company and am not obliged to follow their rules. sk
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Keep in mind that a cop doesn't give a rat's ass about this stuff. He is after statutory violations and its up to you to defend that in front of a statutory judge. Good lizzuck with that! Driving without plates is a statutory violation. Driving without a drivers license is a statutory violation. Entering into a statutory court room against a statutory judge claiming to be free from statutes will only get you a contempt charge on top of the charge for which you were scheduled to appear. Case law does not matter in a traffic court!
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You could also build a case the city jurisdiction ends on your property. They cant make you mow your own yard, ect. But why fight in court all the time?
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You could also build a case the city jurisdiction ends on your property. They cant make you mow your own yard, ect. But why fight in court all the time?
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Why fight all the time? Why fight at all? Why stand up for yourself and your rights ever, for any reason?

Tell us, where, if anywhere, do you draw line in the sand?

Whats it going to be enough? When they kill your children in front of you for voting for the wrong party or being the wrong political orientation?

Yours (and the majority of US Peons) attitude about these things is exactly why we have lost, no destroyed the very foundation of what this nation was founded on.

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