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A Congressman Says that "Science 'czar' giving China U.S. technology"

'Following law not voluntary for administration officials'
Posted: November 05, 2011
10:45 pm Eastern

By Bob Unruh
© 2011 WND

John Holdren

A congressman says he's alarmed that President Obama's science "czar," John Holdren, apparently has been collaborating with the Chinese even though Congress specifically prohibited that activity in a bill signed into law by his boss, Obama.

The accusations from U.S. Rep. Frank Wolf. R-Va., came this week in a hearing of the House Foreign Affairs subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations.

What's wrong with Washington? Read all about it, in "Capitol Punishment" -Autographed copy.

The committee was listening to testimony about China's espionage in the United States and "the violation of the law by the director of the Office of Science and Technology Policy."

Wolf noted he opposed the idea that the U.S. should work with China in any way regarding that nation's space program.

"The Chinese space program is being led by the People's Liberation Army, and to state the obvious, the PLA is not our friend as evidenced by their recent military posture and aggressive espionage against U.S. agencies and firms," Wolf said.

His concern was raised because NASA Administrator Charlie Bolden had scheduled a trip to China to talk about cooperation between NASA and the Chinese army, and Holdren made multiple trips to China for weeks of meetings.

Holdren's viewpoints have been far afield from traditional American perspectives, with his suggestion that America should surrender to a "planetary regime" and his petitioning for a deliberate reduction in the stocks of U.S. weapons-grade plutonium.

"I was … concerned to learn that Dr. John Holdren, head of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy (OSTP), had spent 21 days in China on three separate trips in one year – more than any other country. Very little information about these cooperative agreements with China were being provided to Congress and the American people," Wolf said.

"So, I included language in Section 1340 of the Fiscal Year 2011 Continuing Resolution preventing NASA and OSTP from using federal funds 'to develop, design, plan, promulgate, implement or execute a bilateral policy, program, order, or contract of any kind to participate, collaborate, or coordinate bilaterally in any way with China or any Chinese-owned company," he continued.

It was signed into law by Obama in April.

"Less than one month after its enactment, I learned that Dr. Holdren and OSTP had defied the provision. Even more troubling is that he withheld information about his intention to do so during his appearance before the House Commerce-Justice-Science Appropriations subcommittee when we discussed, among other things, the implementation of Section 1340, and Dr. Holdren's participation in the U.S.-China Strategic and Economic Dialogue, from May 6-10," he said.

Wolf said he called on the Government Accountability Office to investigate, and that office determined the "plain meaning of Section 1340 is clear."

"OSTP may not use its appropriations to participate, collaborate or coordinate bilaterally in any way with China or any Chinese-owned companies," the GAO said.

Further, the GAO said, "As a consequence of using its appropriations in violation of Section 1340, OSTP violated the Antideficiency Act. … Accordingly, OSTP should report the violation as required by the act."

A WND call to the White House was routed to several different offices without getting a response to a request for comment.

Further, when asked for a contact for Holdren, the White House press office told WND, "I don't think that will be possible."

In a published statement prepared for the meeting, Holdren said he knew about the ban and wouldn't follow it.

"OSTP's activities in bilateral diplomacy with China on … issues fall under the president's exclusive constitutional authority to conduct foreign diplomacy and thus cannot be precluded by Section 1340(a). In reliance on this advice, OSTP continued to engage in these activities," the statement said.

He added that managed cooperation can outweigh its liabilities – "even when the cooperation is with a potent adversary."

Wolf explained in a statement to constituents that he authored the ban "after the NASA administrator and the president's science adviser attempted to enter into new technology-sharing agreements with the Chinese government, including human spaceflight."

"I take the GAO findings very seriously," he told the committee in his statement. "Following the law is not voluntary for administration officials. That is why Dr. Holdren should commit today to full compliance with Section 1340 and publicly acknowledge his error in participating in the bilateral conference with the Chinese government."

He said the U.S. has been a leader in space technology for decades, and it should be wary of any agreements through which others would have access to its technology.

"I want to be clear: The United States has no business cooperating with the People's Liberation Army (PLA) to help develop its space program," he said.

He said American work on the space program has "provided the U.S. with countless security and economic advantages over the last 40 years. … The U.S. has held an enormous advantage in space technology, defense capabilities, and advanced sciences – generating entirely new sectors of our economy."

He said he had asked Attorney General Eric Holder to make Holdren accountable for the misbehavior, but Wolf's office said there had been no response.

The ripples that are created by violating such provisions are far-reaching, he said.

He said China simply is not yet playing on the same level of civilization as the U.S.

"China has a thriving business of harvesting and selling for transplant kidneys, corneas and other human organs from executed prisoners," he pointed out. Also, "The Chinese government maintains a brutal system of labor camps."

Beijing also requires outside companies, such as Yahoo, to serve its communist government agenda, and the Chinese are exporting technology for spying on citizens to other nations.

And it oppresses religious rights, routinely putting in prison Protestant house church pastors, he said.

"Let's be perfectly clear about how China is advanced militarily: They are utilizing 'other than legal means,'" Wolf said.

China also is a major source of Internet attacks on U.S. technology, and it is a major arms supplier for various unwelcome regimes around the world.

"The Chinese government brutally represses its own people. It persecutes people of faith. It censors the Internet. It maintains labor camps. The Chinese government actively engages in cyber-espionage. It steals state secrets. It aligns itself with countries directly at odds with U.S. interests. It supports genocidal governments and buttresses rogue regimes. There's a legal term, 'willful blindness,' that aptly described our dealings to date with China. Faced with these painful truths, blindness is no longer an option," he said.

WND previously has reported on Holdren's perspectives, including that he collaborated with conspiracy theorist Paul Ehrlich, author of "The Population Bomb," in which it was proclaimed: "The battle to feed all of humanity is over. In the 1970s, the world will undergo famines – hundreds of millions of people are going to starve to death."

Holdren also predicted 1 billion people will die in "carbon-dioxide-induced famines" in a coming new ice age by 2020.

Read more: Congressman: Science 'czar' giving China U.S. technology [link to www.wnd.com]

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i think you would be hard pressed to find anyone here lauding the chinese....
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And? That's why I think they are the good guys. They want to destroy the US.
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And? That's why I think they are the good guys. They want to destroy the US.
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Without the US protecting your country it would be conquered by the Chinese, along with all of Latin America and Europe.
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And? That's why I think they are the good guys. They want to destroy the US.
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Without the US protecting your country it would be conquered by the Chinese, along with all of Latin America and Europe.
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And would that be bad?
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Yes we do not agree with their policies.

However when it comes to potential weapons you want to be able to keep tabs on it.

This is why I firmly believe that the US and the UN nations should be part of the Iranian push to nuclear power. It is far, far easier to have people on the ground looking over and even teaching the Iranians how to generate safe nuclear power while at the same time knowing if any of that material is going into a weapons program.

In the case of China, it makes sense to be there teaching them how to make rockets for space exploration, instead of attempting to guess via spying if that technology is being used in a weapons missile program.

Spying is imperfect, and rarely actually catches issues in the making. Open cooperation and sharing of knowledge actually goes much further to preventing the weaponization of technologies.

Agreeing with the policies and politics of a nation or not should not interfere with the peaceful development of science. THAT is a sure fire way to lead to weapons of war.
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A Congressman Says that "Science 'czar' giving China U.S. technology"

'Following law not voluntary for administration officials'
Posted: November 05, 2011
10:45 pm Eastern

By Bob Unruh
© 2011 WND

John Holdren

A congressman says he's alarmed that President Obama's science "czar," John Holdren, apparently has been collaborating with the Chinese even though Congress specifically prohibited that activity in a bill signed into law by his boss, Obama.

The accusations from U.S. Rep. Frank Wolf. R-Va., came this week in a hearing of the House Foreign Affairs subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations.

What's wrong with Washington? Read all about it, in "Capitol Punishment" -Autographed copy.

The committee was listening to testimony about China's espionage in the United States and "the violation of the law by the director of the Office of Science and Technology Policy."

Wolf noted he opposed the idea that the U.S. should work with China in any way regarding that nation's space program.

"The Chinese space program is being led by the People's Liberation Army, and to state the obvious, the PLA is not our friend as evidenced by their recent military posture and aggressive espionage against U.S. agencies and firms," Wolf said.

His concern was raised because NASA Administrator Charlie Bolden had scheduled a trip to China to talk about cooperation between NASA and the Chinese army, and Holdren made multiple trips to China for weeks of meetings.

Holdren's viewpoints have been far afield from traditional American perspectives, with his suggestion that America should surrender to a "planetary regime" and his petitioning for a deliberate reduction in the stocks of U.S. weapons-grade plutonium.

"I was … concerned to learn that Dr. John Holdren, head of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy (OSTP), had spent 21 days in China on three separate trips in one year – more than any other country. Very little information about these cooperative agreements with China were being provided to Congress and the American people," Wolf said.

"So, I included language in Section 1340 of the Fiscal Year 2011 Continuing Resolution preventing NASA and OSTP from using federal funds 'to develop, design, plan, promulgate, implement or execute a bilateral policy, program, order, or contract of any kind to participate, collaborate, or coordinate bilaterally in any way with China or any Chinese-owned company," he continued.

It was signed into law by Obama in April.

"Less than one month after its enactment, I learned that Dr. Holdren and OSTP had defied the provision. Even more troubling is that he withheld information about his intention to do so during his appearance before the House Commerce-Justice-Science Appropriations subcommittee when we discussed, among other things, the implementation of Section 1340, and Dr. Holdren's participation in the U.S.-China Strategic and Economic Dialogue, from May 6-10," he said.

Wolf said he called on the Government Accountability Office to investigate, and that office determined the "plain meaning of Section 1340 is clear."

"OSTP may not use its appropriations to participate, collaborate or coordinate bilaterally in any way with China or any Chinese-owned companies," the GAO said.

Further, the GAO said, "As a consequence of using its appropriations in violation of Section 1340, OSTP violated the Antideficiency Act. … Accordingly, OSTP should report the violation as required by the act."

A WND call to the White House was routed to several different offices without getting a response to a request for comment.

Further, when asked for a contact for Holdren, the White House press office told WND, "I don't think that will be possible."

In a published statement prepared for the meeting, Holdren said he knew about the ban and wouldn't follow it.

"OSTP's activities in bilateral diplomacy with China on … issues fall under the president's exclusive constitutional authority to conduct foreign diplomacy and thus cannot be precluded by Section 1340(a). In reliance on this advice, OSTP continued to engage in these activities," the statement said.

He added that managed cooperation can outweigh its liabilities – "even when the cooperation is with a potent adversary."

Wolf explained in a statement to constituents that he authored the ban "after the NASA administrator and the president's science adviser attempted to enter into new technology-sharing agreements with the Chinese government, including human spaceflight."

"I take the GAO findings very seriously," he told the committee in his statement. "Following the law is not voluntary for administration officials. That is why Dr. Holdren should commit today to full compliance with Section 1340 and publicly acknowledge his error in participating in the bilateral conference with the Chinese government."

He said the U.S. has been a leader in space technology for decades, and it should be wary of any agreements through which others would have access to its technology.

"I want to be clear: The United States has no business cooperating with the People's Liberation Army (PLA) to help develop its space program," he said.

He said American work on the space program has "provided the U.S. with countless security and economic advantages over the last 40 years. … The U.S. has held an enormous advantage in space technology, defense capabilities, and advanced sciences – generating entirely new sectors of our economy."

He said he had asked Attorney General Eric Holder to make Holdren accountable for the misbehavior, but Wolf's office said there had been no response.

The ripples that are created by violating such provisions are far-reaching, he said.

He said China simply is not yet playing on the same level of civilization as the U.S.

"China has a thriving business of harvesting and selling for transplant kidneys, corneas and other human organs from executed prisoners," he pointed out. Also, "The Chinese government maintains a brutal system of labor camps."

Beijing also requires outside companies, such as Yahoo, to serve its communist government agenda, and the Chinese are exporting technology for spying on citizens to other nations.

And it oppresses religious rights, routinely putting in prison Protestant house church pastors, he said.

"Let's be perfectly clear about how China is advanced militarily: They are utilizing 'other than legal means,'" Wolf said.

China also is a major source of Internet attacks on U.S. technology, and it is a major arms supplier for various unwelcome regimes around the world.

"The Chinese government brutally represses its own people. It persecutes people of faith. It censors the Internet. It maintains labor camps. The Chinese government actively engages in cyber-espionage. It steals state secrets. It aligns itself with countries directly at odds with U.S. interests. It supports genocidal governments and buttresses rogue regimes. There's a legal term, 'willful blindness,' that aptly described our dealings to date with China. Faced with these painful truths, blindness is no longer an option," he said.

WND previously has reported on Holdren's perspectives, including that he collaborated with conspiracy theorist Paul Ehrlich, author of "The Population Bomb," in which it was proclaimed: "The battle to feed all of humanity is over. In the 1970s, the world will undergo famines – hundreds of millions of people are going to starve to death."

Holdren also predicted 1 billion people will die in "carbon-dioxide-induced famines" in a coming new ice age by 2020.

Read more: Congressman: Science 'czar' giving China U.S. technology [link to www.wnd.com]

The wheel never stops.....
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Well, since the US is financially owned by several other countries, they get what they want, since they are the ones actually paying for space/nuclear, etc. programs, and are basically given all of the fresh water from the Great Lakes that they want. For being touted as the the "big scary commies," they certainly make enough money from us. As far as invasions by the Chinese- why would they invade their biggest customer of cheaply mass-produced items? If we were to come under "control" of a "communist" country, then there would be no profit in the products, as set wages would prevent dropping entire paychecks at Walmart on useless crap. The US is modeled as a consumer nation, so an invasion and conversion to "communism" would only hurt profits for them and the rest of the World. They already own us without even needing to fire a shot.
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well then, maybe we should stop pretending to be friends and stop inviting interaction.

i think that would make more sense. people spewing global this & global that keep running up against this wall.

fact: none of us get along

okok yeh yeh yeh keep your friends close, keep your enemies closer

problem is, we're riddled with numerous factions, all vying for a whole mess of interests. but we all wear masks and this & that.

i want a cookie
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Well, since the US is financially owned by several other countries, they get what they want, since they are the ones actually paying for space/nuclear, etc. programs, and are basically given all of the fresh water from the Great Lakes that they want. For being touted as the the "big scary commies," they certainly make enough money from us. As far as invasions by the Chinese- why would they invade their biggest customer of cheaply mass-produced items? If we were to come under "control" of a "communist" country, then there would be no profit in the products, as set wages would prevent dropping entire paychecks at Walmart on useless crap. The US is modeled as a consumer nation, so an invasion and conversion to "communism" would only hurt profits for them and the rest of the World. They already own us without even needing to fire a shot.
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:back at ya::back at ya::back at ya:
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:back at ya::back at ya::back at ya:
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That was for the Chinese guy.
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It will not be an invasion but an invitation for ownership that will bring the Chinese to U.S.
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China just killed a dissident farmer who led a peaceful protest after just three days in jail. Died of heart failure (common with torture).

China's slave prisons are turning out many products ending up on Walmart shelves.
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.........What does it take for the citizens of one society to hate the citizens of another society to the degree that they want to segregate them, torment them, even to kill them? It requires a ‘hostile imagination,’ a psychological construction embedded deeply in their minds by propaganda that transforms those others into “The Enemy.”.......

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from what I'm reading here, he may be right
stand for something or fall for anything
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.........What does it take for the citizens of one society to hate the citizens of another society to the degree that they want to segregate them, torment them, even to kill them? It requires a ‘hostile imagination,’ a psychological construction embedded deeply in their minds by propaganda that transforms those others into “The Enemy.”.......

by Zimbardo

from what I'm reading here, he may be right
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read the book "the art of war by sun tzu"
make your enemies love you while you prepare to kill them!

you know nothing about the dragon's race and you speak out of ignorance.

A good example on how to kill your enemies without them defending themselves is with religion you brainwash them to love their enemies, to forgive, if someone punches you in the one cheek turn the other too BUT to your people you say an eye for an eye you give them orders to invade genocide and steal other peoples land. THIS MILITARY STRATEGY WORKS WONDERS!
AND ALL PEOPLES MINDS ON THIS PLANET HAVE BEEN OCCUPIED BY DRACONIAN RELIGIONS!
ufc fighters like to say scare the driver of the human vehicle enough and the body wont fight.

abraham the creator of the 3 religions that dominate the planet christianity islam judaism was from ourg of chaldea a city built by mongols that had occupied babylon and he was a mongol, mongols are china's bastards sons that became after china genocide all ancient whites in china and raped all females that's how the mongol race was born.

The above was a quick history lesson to eliminate some of your ignorance.
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And? That's why I think they are the good guys. They want to destroy the US.
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Without the US protecting your country it would be conquered by the Chinese, along with all of Latin America and Europe.
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