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WHY IS WORLD JEWRY OPPOSED TO THE ZIONIST STATE

 
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1) WHAT IS "THE PEOPLE OF ISRAEL" ?

-The people of Israel have existed for thousands of years.
-It has its own particular, essential, nature.
-The Torah is the source of its essential nature.
-Without Torah and faith there is no people of Israel.
-Whoever denies the Torah and the Faith is no longer part of the people of Israel.
-The purpose of the People of Israel in this world is Divine service.
-Their salvation is occupation in Divine Service.

2) WHAT IS ZIONISM ?

-Zionism is a new thing.
-It has only existed for a century.
-Zionism redefines the true essential nature of the people of Israel, and substitutes for it a completely contradictory and opposite character.
- a materialistic worldly nation.
-Their misfortune is lack of what other nations have. i.e. a state and army.
-Their salvation is possession of a state and army etc.
- This is clearly speed out in the circles of Zionist though, and among the leaders of the Zionist state, That through changing the nature and character of the people of Israel and by changing their way of thinking they can set before the People of Israel "their salvation." -- a state and an army.

3) THE PEOPLE OF ISRAEL OPPOSE THIS FOR 4 REASONS

FIRST - Because this is diametrically opposed and completely contradictory to the true essence and foundation of the people of Israel, as it explained above. Because the only time that the people of Israel where permitted to have a state were two thousand years ago when the Glory of the Creator was upon us. And likewise in the future when the Glory of the Creator will once more be revealed, and the whole world will serve Him. Then He Himself (without any human effort or force of arms) will grant us a kingdom founded on Divine Service.

However, a wordily state, like those possessed by other peoples, is contradictory to the true essence of the People of Israel. Whoever calls this the salvation of Israel shows that he denies the essence of the People of Israel, and substituted another nature, a worldly materialistic nature, and therefore sets before them, a worldly materialistic "salvation." And the means of achieving this "salvation" is also worldly and materialistic i.e. to organize land and army.

However, the true salvation of the People of Israel is to draw close to the Creator. And this is not done by organization and force of arms. Rather, it is done by occupation to Torah and good deeds.

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THE HISTORY OF ZIONISM & JUDAISM

This text is from an article called "An Open Letter" published in the Jewish magazine, "Hachoma". We think it provides a good historical overview of the history of Zionism and why the Zionist ideology is opposed by religious Orthodox jewish people.

The Jewish people, from its inception, has been unique by its identity as a religious entity. Through the centuries its religious character had been a premise agreed upon by jewish people and non-jewish people alike. Our faith demands as the fundamental condition for recognition as a jewish, belief and adherence to the word of G-d, as was revealed to our forefathers on Mount Sinai. This is in itself, according to the tenets of the Jewish religion, sufficient to fulfill the definition of a jewish. Our religious and traditional history bears no aspect of racism. Hence, one of non-Jewish origin is capable of being proselytized and attaining the same status as a born jewish. Conversely, one of Jewish birth who does not recognize his being bound to the Jewish Torah, is by Jewish law a heretic, and therefore forfeits his spiritual birthrights as a jewish.

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Excellent thread!

Of course, you may be attacked by certain Zionist Christians here that march in lock-step with the political State of Israel because, you know, they fear retribution from God if they do not support "Israel". They simply refuse to understand that today's State of Israel has nothing to do with the term "Israel" as used in the admonition to stand with "the body of believers".

Perhaps your information will cause them to get past their fear of punishment and instead, use their capacity for love and understanding to see that they have have been deliberately confused as to exactly who/what "Israel" actually refers to in the Bible.
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Excellent thread!

Of course, you may be attacked by certain Zionist Christians here that march in lock-step with the political State of Israel because, you know, they fear retribution from God if they do not support "Israel". They simply refuse to understand that today's State of Israel has nothing to do with the term "Israel" as used in the admonition to stand with "the body of believers".

Perhaps your information will cause them to get past their fear of punishment and instead, use their capacity for love and understanding to see that they have have been deliberately confused as to exactly who/what "Israel" actually refers to in the Bible.
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ZIONISM AND ANTI-SEMITISM

We implore and beseech our Jewish brethren to realize that the Zionists are not the saviors of the Jewish People and guarantors of their safety, but rather the instigators and original cause of Jewish suffering in the Holy Land and worldwide. The idea that Zionism and the State of “Israel” is the protector of jewish people is probably the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the Jewish People. Indeed, where else since 1945 have jewish people been in such physical danger as in the Zionist state?!

jewish people are enjoined by their religious laws to be loyal to the country of which they are citizens. Ever since the destruction of the holy Temple in Jerusalem and the exile of the Jewish People some two thousand years ago, we have been enjoined to be scrupulously loyal to the countries we reside in. One of the great biblical prophets, Jeremiah, in chapter 29 of his book proclaimed G-d's message to all the exiled; verse seven reads, "Seek out the welfare of the city to which I have exiled you and pray for it to the Almighty, for through its welfare will you have welfare." This has been a cornerstone of Jewish morality throughout our history to this very day.

Torah-true jewish people wish to live in peace and harmony with their neighbors in every country among the community of nations, including in historic Palestine. They deplore acts and policies of violence carried out by those who, misusing the name of Israel our forefather, have substituted the ideal of chauvinist nationalism for the eternal values of the Torah, the eternal divinely bestowed inheritance of the Jewish people.

It has been the age-old intention of Zionism to intentionally stir up anti-Semitism anywhere possible, and even more commonly, to take advantage of any Jewish suffering anywhere in order to enhance its cause Indeed, hatred of jewish people and Jewish suffering is the oxygen of the Zionist movement, and from the very beginning has been to deliberately incite hatred of the jewish and then, in feigned horror, use it to justify the existence of the Zionist state – this is, of course, Machiavellianism raised to the highest degree. Thus, the Zionists thrive on hatred and suffering of jewish people, and seek to benefit thereby through keeping jewish people in perpetual fear, causing them to ignore the true nature of Zionism, and instead to consider the Zionist state is their salvation.

ANTI-SEMITISM BY POLITICAL ZIONISM
Although Zionists and others dispute it, the undeniable fact is that revolutionary secular and apostate elements in the Jewish community in Europe contributed greatly to hostility towards jewish people after World War I. This aroused hatred of jewish people in general among many non-jewish people. While a prisoner in 1924 in the fortress of Lansberg on the River Lech, Hitler wrote his Mein Kampf. When he became Chancellor of Germany in 1933, he was assisted by Goebbels, Roseberg and Streicher. From them came the declarations, “The jewish people of Germany caused the defeat of Germany in the 1914-1918 war; the jewish people of Germany were responsible for the terrible conditions in Germany that followed the war; the jewish people of Germany are foreigners and they wish to remain foreigners; they have no loyalty to the country of their birth; they are not human; they are filthy dogs; they have no right to intrude into Germany’s affairs; there are too many jewish people in Germany.

As far as Zionism is concerned, the founder of Zionism and apostate, Theodor Herzl, sought to intensify hatred of the jewish in order to enhance the cause of political Zionism. Here are some of his “pearls”:

“It is essential that the sufferings of jewish people. . . become worse. . . this will assist in realization of our plans. . .I have an excellent idea. . . I shall induce anti-semites to liquidate Jewish wealth. . . The anti-semites will assist us thereby in that they will strengthen the persecution and oppression of jewish people. The anti-semites shall be our best friends”. (From his Diary, Part I, pp. 16)
Additional words from the vivid imagination of this dreamer, from p. 68 of Part I of his Diary.

So anti-Semitism, which is a deeply imbedded force in the subconscious mind of the masses, will not harm the jewish people. I actually find it to be advantageous to building the Jewish character, education by the masses that will lead to assimilation. This education can only happen through suffering, and the jewish people will adapt.
Hateful views of jewish people as being subhuman did not have to be invented by Nazi theorists such as Hitler, Goebbels, Rosenberg and Streicher. This ideology was simply adapted from statements of political Zionists such as those found in the writings of the Zionist Yehezkel Kaufman in 1933.

In 1920 there were statements hostile to jewish people expressed at Heidelberg University. These statements, arguing that jewish people of Germany had caused the turmoil that followed the war; that the jewish people of Germany had nothing in common with Germans, and that Germans had the right to prevent the jewish people of Germany from intruding into the affairs of their volk were not made by Adolf Hitler in Mein Kampf, but by Nahum Goldmann, who went in to become the President of the World Zionist Organization and head of the World Jewish Congress, and, indisputably, the most influential political Zionist in the world, second only to the Prime Minister of the State of Israel.

In 1921, Germans in Germany were told that:

“We jewish people are aliens… a foreign people in your midst and we… wish to stay that way. A jewish can never be a loyal German; whoever calls the foreign land his Fatherland is a traitor to the Jewish people“.
Who spoke these vile words? It was Jacob Klatzkin, the second of two political Zionist ideologists in Germany at the time, where the jewish people of Germany were enjoying full political and civil rights. It was he who had advocated undermining Jewish communities as the one certain way of acquiring a state. “They had no qualms concerning tearing down the existing Jewish communities.”

Who spoke in a public address at a political Zionist meeting in Berlin and declared that “Germany… has too many jewish people”? Was it Hitler or Goebbels? No, it was Chaim Weizman, later to become the first President of the State of Israel. This address was published in 1920, and, thus, four years before Hitler had even written Mein Kampf.

How many Zionist jewish people know of this vicious treachery uttered by these senior political Zionist leaders, these apostates from the Jewish People? At the Nuremberg Trials of Major War Criminals, Nazi propagandist, Julius Streicher testified: “I did no more than echo what the leading Zionists had been saying”, it is clear that he had told the truth.

In addition to Hitler, Rosenberg, Goebbels and Streicher, many other Nazi leaders used statements from Zionists to validate their charges against the jewish people of Germany. Such are the efforts of Zionist leaders to this very day to maintain a high degree of anti-semitism in order to enable them, in feigned horror, to then point to anti-semitism to support their idolatrous and anti-Jewish cause. In 1963, Moshe Sharett, then Chairman of the Jewish Agency, told the 38th Annual Congress of the Scandinavian Youth Federation that the freedom enjoyed by the majority of jewish people imperiled Zionism, and at the 26th World Zionist Congress, the delegates were told that the jewish is endangered by the easing of anti-Semitism in the United States “We are endangered by freedom” he declared.


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As we stated earlier, Zionism thrives on anti-Semitism. Ben Gurion declared, “…not always and not everywhere do I opposed anti-Semitism”. Zionists regularly pull out their handy “anti-Semite” race card against anyone, jewish or non-jewish, who dares to speak out against the wickedness of Zionism.

During World War II, the Lehi organization, an offshoot of Begin’s Irgun that was headed by Yitzchak Shamir sought an alliance with Nazis! The following is a quote from the writings of the Lehi in their contact with the Nazis:

"The establishment of the historical Jewish state on a national and totalitarian basis and bound by a treaty with the German Reich would be in the interests of strengthening the future German position of power in the Near East ... The NMO in Palestine offers to take an active part in the war on Germany's side ... The cooperation of the Israeli freedom movement would also be in line with one of the recent speeches of the German Reich Chancellor, in which Herr Hitler stressed that any combination and any alliance would be entered into in order to isolate England and defeat it."
To those who assume that Zionists have been on the side of freedom and equality, these words seem strange. However, to those who understand the root of Zionism, which is the transformation and eradication of the concept of the traditional jewish and Judaism, these statements are not strange at all. They are to be expected.

The Zionists agreed with Nazism in general, even prior to the advent of Nazism. They believed that jewish people could not, and should not, live in harmony in any other society in the world, and that should be removed from those societies for the benefit of those societies. They believed that the new Jewish existence in its own State would remake the image of jewish people as “useless” and “parasites.” These ideas existed long before Adolf Hitler!

There is a huge amount of literature describing how the Zionists made it very difficult to save jewish people during and after World War II. As various individuals and organizations were trying to arrange departures of jewish people to western countries, the Zionists worked overtime to prevent this from happening. They expressed the opinion that building up the Jewish population of Palestine was more important than enabling jewish people to go to third countries, and they insisted to western powers that jewish people should not be accepted anywhere other than Palestine. Indeed, Yitzchak Greenbaum, a famous Zionist, proclaimed that “one cow in Palestine was worth more than all the jewish people in Poland.” The infamous David Ben-Gurion said in 1938:

"If I knew it was possible to save all the children in Germany by taking them to England, and only half of the children by taking them to Eretz Israel, I would choose the second solution. For we must take into account not only the lives of these children but also the history of the people of Israel."
Read about the brutal Zionist role in the Holocaust.
After the war, a Zionist “religious” leader, Rabbi Klaussner, who was in charge of displaced persons presented a report before the Jewish American Conference on May 2nd, 1948 :

"I am convinced people must be forced to go to Palestine...For them, an American dollar appears as the highest of goals. By the word "force", I am suggesting a programme. It served for the evacuation of the jewish people in Poland, and in the history of the 'Exodus'... To apply this programme we must, instead of providing 'displaced persons' with comfort, create the greatest possible discomfort for them...At a second stage, a procedure calling upon the Haganah to harass the jewish people."
It is ironic that the Zionists proclaim their State as the safe haven for the Jewish People, when since World War II no place on earth has been as dangerous for jewish people, both spiritually and physically, as the Zionist state.

The Zionists worked relentlessly to create fear among jewish people in the Arab countries after the Zionist state was established. Their tactic work most successfully in Yemen, Morocco, Iraq, Algeria, Libya, Tunisia.

It is common knowledge among Iraqi jewish people that during 1949-1950 the famous Zionist, Mordechai ben Porat, who had the nickname of Morad Abu al-Knabel (Mordechai Bomber), was instrumental in seeking to bribe Iraqi officials after the creation of the Zionist state to pass laws to encourage jewish people to leave Iraq. This was enhanced by the Zionists planting bombs in synagogues in Baghdad in March 1950. Information about this is readily available on the internet.

Read "The jewish people of Iraq" by Naim Giladi, a first hand account of violence and intimidation of Iraqi jewish people to leave their homeland.
The writings of Mr. Naim Giladi document in detail what the Zionists did in Baghdad in 1950 to provoke the departure of the jewish people to the Zionist state. The Zionists do not care what effect their policies have on the Jewish communities of any country. When they accuse European nations of every sin under the sun, do the Zionists care that this will produce hostility towards jewish people? No! Not a bit. On the contrary, as we have discussed, they thrive on such circumstances, clinging to the vain hope that these Jewish communities will rush for the “salvation” of the “safe haven” of the Zionist Paradise where jewish people are in constant danger as the Zionist regime undertakes every form of cruel provocation against non-jewish people.


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In more recent times the Zionists have sought every opportunity to encourage jewish people to leave their home countries. Anytime there is even the smallest event of hostility toward jewish people on the heels of Zionist policy, or if there are signs of economic distress and dislocation, the Zionists magnify it a thousand times, seek to ruthlessly humiliate the nations involved, and agitate for jewish people to go to the Zionist state, the so-called “natural home” of the Jewish People. This has been the case in countries such as France, Argentina, Uruguay, the former Soviet Union and Egypt.

The promises of the Torah are always to be realized. This verse from the Torah demonstrates that those who are his enemies will pay a price when The kingdom of G-D will prevail.

Deuteronomy 32:43: Praise his People, O Nations: For he will avenge the blood of his servants. He will render vengeance against his adversaries and make expiation for his land and his People.

Sources:
Guardian Volume two Issue 7
Satmar Grand Rebbe Joel Teitelbaum
The jewish people of Batna, Aleria: A Study of Identity and Colonialism by Elizabeth Friedman.
The Jewish Communities of Morocco and the AIU by M. Laskier, State University, Albany, N.Y.
The Impact of Western European Education on the Jewish Millet of Baghdad by Maurice Sawdayee.
Outcaste Jewish Life in Southern Iran by Laurence D. Loeb. Gordon and Breach.
The Last Arab jewish people. The Communities of Jerba, Tunisia by Abraham Udovitch and Lucette Valensi. Harwood Academic Publishers.
The GENOCIDE IN THE HOLY LAND (available for purchase on the site)
Ben Gurion's Scandals by Naeim Giladi (available for purchase on the site)

[link to www.jewsagainstzionism.com]
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Excellent thread!

Of course, you may be attacked by certain Zionist Christians here that march in lock-step with the political State of Israel because, you know, they fear retribution from God if they do not support "Israel". They simply refuse to understand that today's State of Israel has nothing to do with the term "Israel" as used in the admonition to stand with "the body of believers".

Perhaps your information will cause them to get past their fear of punishment and instead, use their capacity for love and understanding to see that they have have been deliberately confused as to exactly who/what "Israel" actually refers to in the Bible.
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Peace to you, my Swiss friend. Good to see you put this detailed information front and center for those who are confused into supporting a murderous, false-flagging regime of pretenders to Judaism.

But I am betting that the bookends from Texas will refuse to read and follow-up on the information you've provided. No matter though. To see the Truth and turn away from it is far worse than never having known the Truth at all.
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To be our not to be ....... Zionist, that is the ??

But, "if" Satan is the Father of all Lies, and a Prince of this planet, and has existed and schemed for eons, knows us better than we can ever know ourselves, then might even the blessed Torah be suspect ?? Conquer and then divide, our was it divide and then conquer??

As long as I fail to accept and/our embrace the facts and traits that bind me as a uniquely hybrid race, first and foremost, (NOT) give my soul/energy and allegiance to these Lords that battle for it during the passing of each Age, only then will I fall to "His Son" of Perdition and reap my reward.

Love, Peace and Forgiveness if you can.
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Epic thread.

Great read btw OP.

I love this perspective, so much fresh air in an otherwise dead horse debate.
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JUDAISM IS A RELIGION - NOT A RACE

by: Rabbi Moses Jakubowicz
15 May 2008

During the Middle Ages, the Jewish people suffered many a time from fanatically religious governments who expelled or killed whoever refused to adhere to their religious belief. In the modern era, the Jewish people suffer due to the world’s misunderstanding of the distinction between Judaism and Zionism.

Judaism is a religion, not a race. Throughout history, whoever joined the Jewish religion was called a jewish, no matter what his race, and whoever abandoned the Holy Torah was not considered a jewish. In fact, the biggest names in Jewish history were converts or descendants of converts: King David, Zipporah, Rabbi Akiva, Rabbi Meir, Shmaya and Avtalyon.

The proponents of Zionism, for their own political and financial advantage, have transformed the Jewish religion into a race. Similarly, they have taken the Torah, a book of Divine law which teaches fairness, peace and piety, and transformed it into a vehicle for their political goals, a source for their claims to a piece of land. These claims took their latest form this week, when, to our sorrow, the Zionist falsification was brought to the world’s eyes by the media.

President Bush is visiting the State of Israel, and several rabbis of the extremist Zionist settler community have penned a letter to the President, asking him to stop putting pressure on the Israeli leadership to make land concessions to the Palestinian Authority.

The letter read in part:

"It is totally presumptuous that while the US fights terror, it pressures Israel to make concessions to terrorists! In the name of the people of Israel, the Land of Israel, the Torah of Israel and the G-d of Israel, we demand that his honor the president cease the pressure on the State to hand lands to the Arabs… Honorable President, you must not be remembered in history as Nebuchadnezzar and Titus who destroyed Jerusalem. You must surely remember that American does not benefit from causing damage, Heaven forbid, to the Jewish people and its land. If you help the wholeness of our holy land, we promise you and your country endless blessings."

Signed: Dov Lior, David Druckman, Yaakov Yosef, Shmuel Eliyahu and Shalom Dov Wolpe.

The writers of this letter call themselves rabbis and speak in the name of the Jewish religion, but the world must not allow itself to be fooled. They are radical politicians and militants advancing their own agenda, for which they are distorting the Holy Torah and by doing so they are jeopardizing the Jewish people in the entire world as the Zionists did in the Second World War.

We look forward to the Messianic Era, when Jerusalem will be "a house of prayer for all nations" (Isaiah 56:7)

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Wow. EPIC THREAD.

Thanks for posting this. A lot of excellent information and a solid read.

Flies in the face of what most christians want to believe or accept, though. I'm surprised they're not swarming you.

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Wow. EPIC THREAD.

Thanks for posting this. A lot of excellent information and a solid read.

Flies in the face of what most christians want to believe or accept, though. I'm surprised they're not swarming you.

lmao
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Wow. EPIC THREAD.

Thanks for posting this. A lot of excellent information and a solid read.

Flies in the face of what most christians want to believe or accept, though. I'm surprised they're not swarming you.

lmao
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The hypocrites.
Jesus said to him, "Truly I say to you that this very night, before a rooster crows, you will deny Me three times.
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Thanks OP!
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Truth cannot be deleted, my friend ... Truth will always find its people in need hf
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US ambassador in Belgium provides controversial explanation for Muslim anti-Semitism

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American Christians please read this.
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Re: WHY IS WORLD JEWRY OPPOSED TO THE ZIONIST STATE
ZIONISM & JUDAISM

This thread tell the story of how Judaism was hi-jacked by Zionism. Its no wonder why judaism is opposed to Zionism.

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