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WHY IS WORLD JEWRY OPPOSED TO THE ZIONIST STATE

 
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So , in summary , the Jewish people have been parasited by the Khazar Zionists to further their own agenda ?

The Khazar Zionists worship Satan and are guided by the Satanic Talmud ?

The Khazar Zionists came up with the Holocaust lie to use the perceived suffering of the Jewish people as a vehicle for their own political leverage ?

The Khazar Zionist are now using the American Government and the American Military to conquer THEIR enemies ?

The Khazar Zionists have infiltrated most of the Governments of the World so they can eventually take over the ENTIRE Planet and then kill all of us off ?

The Jewish people need to join us in the fight against Zionism and Christian Zionists need to realize they are being used and will be exterminated with the rest of us when they are no longer of use . Netanyahu said "Christian Zionists are scum" !
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Maybe this thread would have got more attention if it was about eating toe nails or I just farted ask me a question ?
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as a jewish i disagree

if i were to oppose Zionism it would be so as to not establish the state of Israel in a way that stirred trouble among the nations, as is prohibited in the Talmud

however the notion of sovereignty in the land of Israel is not foreign to Judaism and the Davidic kingdom is expected to return

clearly the modern secular state of Israel is a divergence from this ideal but some in retrospect see it as the foundation even if it has been built on faulty grounds

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WHY IS WORLD JEWRY OPPOSED TO THE ZIONIST STATE

1) WHAT IS "THE PEOPLE OF ISRAEL" ?

-The people of Israel have existed for thousands of years.
-It has its own particular, essential, nature.
-The Torah is the source of its essential nature.
-Without Torah and faith there is no people of Israel.
-Whoever denies the Torah and the Faith is no longer part of the people of Israel.
-The purpose of the People of Israel in this world is Divine service.
-Their salvation is occupation in Divine Service.

2) WHAT IS ZIONISM ?

-Zionism is a new thing.
-It has only existed for a century.
-Zionism redefines the true essential nature of the people of Israel, and substitutes for it a completely contradictory and opposite character.
- a materialistic worldly nation.
-Their misfortune is lack of what other nations have. i.e. a state and army.
-Their salvation is possession of a state and army etc.
- This is clearly speed out in the circles of Zionist though, and among the leaders of the Zionist state, That through changing the nature and character of the people of Israel and by changing their way of thinking they can set before the People of Israel "their salvation." -- a state and an army.

3) THE PEOPLE OF ISRAEL OPPOSE THIS FOR 4 REASONS

FIRST - Because this is diametrically opposed and completely contradictory to the true essence and foundation of the people of Israel, as it explained above. Because the only time that the people of Israel where permitted to have a state were two thousand years ago when the Glory of the Creator was upon us. And likewise in the future when the Glory of the Creator will once more be revealed, and the whole world will serve Him. Then He Himself (without any human effort or force of arms) will grant us a kingdom founded on Divine Service.

However, a wordily state, like those possessed by other peoples, is contradictory to the true essence of the People of Israel. Whoever calls this the salvation of Israel shows that he denies the essence of the People of Israel, and substituted another nature, a worldly materialistic nature, and therefore sets before them, a worldly materialistic "salvation." And the means of achieving this "salvation" is also worldly and materialistic i.e. to organize land and army.

However, the true salvation of the People of Israel is to draw close to the Creator. And this is not done by organization and force of arms. Rather, it is done by occupation to Torah and good deeds.

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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4755999


A real practitioner of Judaism cannot accept Zionism or the Zionist state of israel because God commanded Israel ( A people, not a place) to disperse from the area of the eastern Mediterranean (the diaspora) and not return until their messiah appeared. The jewish people in israel are either too stupid to realize because of ignorance of their own religion this ,or are not real jewish people at all.
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as Maimonedes teaches, the Messianic period will not be marked by great miracles or out-of-ordinary phenomena but rather by the return of the Jewish people to their land, among other things
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3) THE PEOPLE OF ISRAEL OPPOSE THIS FOR 4 REASONS

FIRST - Because this is diametrically opposed and completely contradictory to the true essence and foundation of the people of Israel, as it explained above. Because the only time that the people of Israel where permitted to have a state were two thousand years ago when the Glory of the Creator was upon us. And likewise in the future when the Glory of the Creator will once more be revealed, and the whole world will serve Him. Then He Himself (without any human effort or force of arms) will grant us a kingdom founded on Divine Service.

However, a wordily state, like those possessed by other peoples, is contradictory to the true essence of the People of Israel. Whoever calls this the salvation of Israel shows that he denies the essence of the People of Israel, and substituted another nature, a worldly materialistic nature, and therefore sets before them, a worldly materialistic "salvation." And the means of achieving this "salvation" is also worldly and materialistic i.e. to organize land and army.

However, the true salvation of the People of Israel is to draw close to the Creator. And this is not done by organization and force of arms. Rather, it is done by occupation to Torah and good deeds.

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The idenitification of Judaism with non-materialism is a Christian idea foreign to us

609 out of 613 commandments deal with "worldly" and "materialistic" matters

Jewish law necessitates being in the land of Israel and involves having an autonomous high court that deals with civil law

not one which periodically evicts Jewish religious families from their homes because of foreignly-funded "homegrown" human rights organizations

the question is only: when is the right time for Jewish sovereignty to return to the land of Israel, and does the fact that it was done through the vehicle of secular nationalism nix the whole thing?

rabbi A I Kook says not so
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WHY IS WORLD JEWRY OPPOSED TO THE ZIONIST STATE

1) WHAT IS "THE PEOPLE OF ISRAEL" ?

-The people of Israel have existed for thousands of years.
-It has its own particular, essential, nature.
-The Torah is the source of its essential nature.
-Without Torah and faith there is no people of Israel.
- Torah and good deeds.

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Yet another anti-Semitic thread created by a violently bigoted neo-nazi fuckhead; there's lots of them in Switzerland as they were always pro-nazi. Please goose-step over the nearest Alpine cliff.
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Wrong, every Jew who believes in Torah is a Zionist. If you are talking about modern Zionism, that is a different story. It is an ideology of left wing communist.

Regardless, the modern State of Israel is here to stay. Learn to live it!

I am a Mizrachi Jew and proud of it. I support the State of Israel. It truly is the only place for jewish people to call home.
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Wrong, every Jew who believes in Torah is a Zionist. If you are talking about modern Zionism, that is a different story. It is an ideology of left wing communist.

Regardless, the modern State of Israel is here to stay. Learn to live with it!

I am a Mizrachi Jew and proud of it. I support the State of Israel. It truly is the only place for jewish people to call home.

Why are Jew haters so obsessed with the jewish people and Israel. It's like they have a mental illness.

Take away the jewish people and Israel and they will go into convulsions.
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I am a Mizrachi Jew and proud of it. I support the State of Israel. It truly is the only place for jewish people to call home.


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Why don't you jump on a plane and move there. The sooner the better.

i am totally for a jewish homeland, as long every jew on the planet moves there.
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The Rabbis Speak Out: The 130 Year Record of Religious Jewish Opposition to Zionism

Introduction

The jewish people have always been religious people who lived with belief and trust in the Almighty. In their long history, they have gone through many different periods. There were times when they had their own land, sanctioned by the command of the Almighty. At other times, such as in the current era, they have been in exile.

In the course of the two thousand years of this current exile, following the destruction of the Temple, jewish people have remained faithful to the Almighty. Knowing that their exile was His will and His decree, they have always accepted it, and have not risen up to fight with other nations or dominate them. They have lived loyally under whatever governments they happened to live.

The past century has seen the rise of the Zionist philosophy, which transforms Judaism from a religion to a nationalism, from spirituality to materialism. (The word “Zion” was used by the prophets as a name for Jerusalem. The secular nationalists borrowed the name for their movement, whose goal was to take over Jerusalem.) The Zionists convinced a segment of world Jewry to leave behind their faith in the Almighty, not to trust in His security, and to take matters into their own hands. They forced their way out of exile and built a “Jewish” state. This act in itself was a severe violation of the Torah, which forbids jewish people to found their own state before the coming of the messiah.

The act is doubly sinful when we consider that they founded their state in the land already inhabited by the Palestinian people. They cruelly expelled, murdered and persecuted the Palestinians, and stole their land – all terrible crimes in the eyes of the Torah.

Zionism, starting from its founding day in the year 1897, aroused sharp condemnation from all the Rabbis, both in Palestine and around the world. All of religious Jewry was united in its opposition to this dangerous new movement, and fought it fiercely. The result was that Zionism took hold almost exclusively among non-religious jewish people. And were it not for the tremendous downfall of Jewry in the Second World War, Zionism could never have conquered any part of religious Jewry. In the War, which preceded the establishment of the Zionist state by only a few years, the Jewish people was torn to pieces and lost almost all its greatest Rabbinical leaders. Many jewish people lost their faith and felt defenseless and vulnerable, and they were taken in by the Zionists‟ promises to “defend the Jewish people.”

In this publication, we bring some excerpts from words of the Rabbis of past and present generations on Zionism. These are the Rabbis, giants of Judaism, by whose light religious jewish people walk to this day. As the reader will see, they were totally opposed to the ideology of Zionism, the existence of the State of “Israel”, the Zionists and all of their acts.

We must note that many of the rabbis quoted here lived before the founding of the Zionist state, and although the Zionists even then had a long record of cruelty and brutality to the Palestinians, their intentions and actions were not widely known. In fact, the Zionists took care to present themselves as a movement to purchase land and settle in Palestine, not as a movement to make wars with other peoples and displace them. Therefore, the rabbis of that period focused their opposition on the Zionists' violations of the Torah and their rebellion against the Almighty's decree of exile.

Even in the period after 1948, the Zionists‟ crimes against the indigenous people of Palestine received almost no coverage in the international media and thus most of the Rabbis did not know about them. In the State of “Israel” itself, the Zionists understandably did not want to arouse public opinion and therefore their media, for many years, did not report on the plight of the Palestinian people; they forcibly blacked out any coverage of their own atrocities. It has only been in the last two or three decades, starting approximately with the Lebanon War of 1982, that the Western world has gained an awareness of these issues. This awareness is reflected in the words of the Rabbis of the most recent period.

We hope and wait for the day when the Almighty‟s glory will be revealed, “the earth will be full of knowledge of the Almighty” (Isaiah 11:9) and “the Almighty will be king over all the earth” (Zachariah 14:9). Then there will be a spiritual revolution in the entire world, and the Almighty will redeem all Peoples, as we say in our prayers, “All the nations will become one organization to do Your will with their whole heart.” And in the words of the Psalms (102:23), “Nations and governments will gather together to serve the Almighty.” May it be soon, in our days, amen.

Rabbi Yehoshua Leib Diskin, rabbi of Brisk,Lithuaniaand later rabbi of Jerusalem (1817-1878)

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OP, I'm not sure what gave you the crazy notion that "world Jewry" opposes Zionism but I have never seen it.


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Google search Torah jewish people against Zionism. Or jewish people against Zionism. They even have many videos on youtube.
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The Jewish people can live wherever they want and if the Muslims or Irish are intolerant of this then they should all be deported from the west.
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WHY IS WORLD JEWRY OPPOSED TO THE ZIONIST STATE

1) WHAT IS "THE PEOPLE OF ISRAEL" ?

-The people of Israel have existed for thousands of years.
-It has its own particular, essential, nature.
-The Torah is the source of its essential nature.
-Without Torah and faith there is no people of Israel.
-Whoever denies the Torah and the Faith is no longer part of the people of Israel.
-The purpose of the People of Israel in this world is Divine service.
-Their salvation is occupation in Divine Service.

2) WHAT IS ZIONISM ?

-Zionism is a new thing.
-It has only existed for a century.
-Zionism redefines the true essential nature of the people of Israel, and substitutes for it a completely contradictory and opposite character.
- a materialistic worldly nation.
-Their misfortune is lack of what other nations have. i.e. a state and army.
-Their salvation is possession of a state and army etc.
- This is clearly speed out in the circles of Zionist though, and among the leaders of the Zionist state, That through changing the nature and character of the people of Israel and by changing their way of thinking they can set before the People of Israel "their salvation." -- a state and an army.

3) THE PEOPLE OF ISRAEL OPPOSE THIS FOR 4 REASONS

FIRST - Because this is diametrically opposed and completely contradictory to the true essence and foundation of the people of Israel, as it explained above. Because the only time that the people of Israel where permitted to have a state were two thousand years ago when the Glory of the Creator was upon us. And likewise in the future when the Glory of the Creator will once more be revealed, and the whole world will serve Him. Then He Himself (without any human effort or force of arms) will grant us a kingdom founded on Divine Service.

However, a wordily state, like those possessed by other peoples, is contradictory to the true essence of the People of Israel. Whoever calls this the salvation of Israel shows that he denies the essence of the People of Israel, and substituted another nature, a worldly materialistic nature, and therefore sets before them, a worldly materialistic "salvation." And the means of achieving this "salvation" is also worldly and materialistic i.e. to organize land and army.

However, the true salvation of the People of Israel is to draw close to the Creator. And this is not done by organization and force of arms. Rather, it is done by occupation to Torah and good deeds.

Read more
[link to www.jewsnotzionists.org]
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Unlike Islam and Christianity, Judaism is less monolithic.
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ZIONISM & JUDAISM

This thread tell the story of how Judaism was hi-jacked by Zionism. Its no wonder why judaism is opposed to Zionism.

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What are you guys talking about??? Technically, Moses was a Zionist & so was Abraham.
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Wrong, every Jew who believes in Torah is a Zionist. If you are talking about modern Zionism, that is a different story. It is an ideology of left wing communist.

Regardless, the modern State of Israel is here to stay. Learn to live with it!

I am a Mizrachi Jew and proud of it. I support the State of Israel. It truly is the only place for jewish people to call home.

Why are Jew haters so obsessed with the jewish people and Israel. It's like they have a mental illness.

Take away the jewish people and Israel and they will go into convulsions.
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It's a mental Illness indeed ... a form of retardation! Lets call it Jewmania!

Jewmaniac people have a slogan: "I hate Jews - therefore I exist"

And yes, if Israel & every Jew vanished overnight, they would most likely end up in a state of blank stupor, incapable of knowing what to do next.
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