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ITALIAN Bond Yields Starting To BLOW UP

 
Limpan

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11/09/2011 05:49 AM
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Dooom......on?....
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Don't Jinx it...

Doom is like a super shy Ground Hog... If it pokes its head out and gets scared it will mean 6 more months of deception
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cruise Surely that shy little princess must finally arrive at the ball though.
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Maybe finally, and don't call me Sherly.
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11/09/2011 05:50 AM
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Italy is DEAD!

Not a big surprise since they are such pussies... hell most men under 30 are still living with their parents...
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11/09/2011 05:51 AM
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Dooom......on?....
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Don't Jinx it...

Doom is like a super shy Ground Hog... If it pokes its head out and gets scared it will mean 6 more months of deception
 Quoting: KingDingaLing


cruise Surely that shy little princess must finally arrive at the ball though.
 Quoting: Zero Point


Maybe finally, and don't call me Sherly.
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Hahaha! Stop it you're killing me!
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11/09/2011 05:52 AM
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Italy is DEAD!

Not a big surprise since they are such pussies... hell most men under 30 are still living with their parents...
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Easy to judge when it was not you growing up in this country. You should know how difficult it is to build a career here first. You have no idea, it seems.
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Italy is DEAD!

Not a big surprise since they are such pussies... hell most men under 30 are still living with their parents...
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Kicking them while they are down... how not Canadian of you.
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11/09/2011 05:55 AM

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What the heck is happening??????

Going straight up..

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11/09/2011 05:56 AM
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What the heck is happening??????

Going straight up..

7.378 %%

banana2
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A bit odd huh?

I thought that sacking that rtard PM would make things calm down.

Guess not hiding.
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11/09/2011 05:58 AM

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Anyone have any real info about what is going on behind the scenes here??

is this the beginnign of the end?? endgame??

op, good call!

todays date 9/11/11 has anything to do with this?
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There are some rumors about plan B or C (not sure how many plans they discuss right now).

1 european economic zone in the north
2 another economic zone in the south, which will include all countries that cant follow and the new ones who want to enter EU.

Both will use Euro(2 types), with the equivalence 1:2
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11/09/2011 06:00 AM
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What the heck is happening??????

Going straight up..

7.378 %%

banana2
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My friend, I'm not so good at this financial stuff...what does it mean that bonds is over 7%, care to explain to a economic n00b/Muh
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11/09/2011 06:01 AM

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Italy is DEAD!

Not a big surprise since they are such pussies... hell most men under 30 are still living with their parents...
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Easy to judge when it was not you growing up in this country. You should know how difficult it is to build a career here first. You have no idea, it seems.
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What do the people say there?
Here we still cant agree on a new PM. We are all in nervous breakdown.
Ostria
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11/09/2011 06:02 AM

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What the heck is happening??????

Going straight up..

7.378 %%

banana2
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My friend, I'm not so good at this financial stuff...what does it mean that bonds is over 7%, care to explain to a economic n00b/Muh
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It means they cant borrow from the free markets any more
Ostria
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11/09/2011 06:02 AM
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What does this actually mean, besides abomb
Ostria1

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11/09/2011 06:03 AM

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The markets fall fast in europe
[link to finance.yahoo.com]
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11/09/2011 06:04 AM
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Italy is DEAD!

Not a big surprise since they are such pussies... hell most men under 30 are still living with their parents...
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Easy to judge when it was not you growing up in this country. You should know how difficult it is to build a career here first. You have no idea, it seems.
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Dude. Italians have been doing this for DECADES... it's nothing new.

And I'm not hitting you while your down, we are all down.
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11/09/2011 06:08 AM
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What the heck is happening??????

Going straight up..

7.378 %%

banana2
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My friend, I'm not so good at this financial stuff...what does it mean that bonds is over 7%, care to explain to a economic n00b/Muh
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Lets look at it in the extreme case of the US & our $15 Trillion Debt.

Currently we are paying under 2%... If our debt service cost (interest rate) went to 7% we would pay more on debt service than on wars or > $1 Trillion Dollars. The system would collapse. The same thing is happening to Italy... they won't have money for social programs and pension plans that they already borrow to pay in the first place!

BTW.. There is no reason why the US deserves 2% interests rates... Thank the Federal Reserve and abusing our reserve currency status.
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11/09/2011 06:09 AM
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Re: ITALIAN Bond Yields Starting To BLOW UP
Italy is DEAD!

Not a big surprise since they are such pussies... hell most men under 30 are still living with their parents...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5009134


Easy to judge when it was not you growing up in this country. You should know how difficult it is to build a career here first. You have no idea, it seems.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5012950


Dude. Italians have been doing this for DECADES... it's nothing new.

And I'm not hitting you while your down, we are all down.
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Be nice... just snicker behind their backs.
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11/09/2011 06:12 AM
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Re: ITALIAN Bond Yields Starting To BLOW UP
Italy is DEAD!

Not a big surprise since they are such pussies... hell most men under 30 are still living with their parents...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5009134


Easy to judge when it was not you growing up in this country. You should know how difficult it is to build a career here first. You have no idea, it seems.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5012950


Dude. Italians have been doing this for DECADES... it's nothing new.

And I'm not hitting you while your down, we are all down.
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Yes I know this is a typically reknown attitude of italian men. The thing is, now among those who made it their choice, there's actually men who are forced to stay home as no government has truly supported my generation in helping us build a career, especially if you studied at Uni.
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Re: ITALIAN Bond Yields Starting To BLOW UP
New significant deterioration recorded in bonds with a focus on Italy.
The performance of the Italian 10-year bond at 7.36%, which exceeded the zone of 7% which is the red line for a country to join a support mechanism.
Italy in terms of market risk. Italy is out of the markets.
The CDS at 545 bps spread and spread difference of Italian and German bonds to 570 basis points.
Noted that Greece entered a support mechanism where the return of Greek 10-year had reached 6.25%.
The situation for bonds is negative given that the French spreads relative to Germany is at 132 basis points to a new record high.
The CDS of other countries remain very high.
Greece is at 6100 bps or 61%, Portugal 1065 bp, Ireland 7555 bp, France 188 bp and 93 bp Germany.
The euro was at $ 1.3680 decline significantly with variation of $ 1.3670 and $ 1.3890.
Ostria
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11/09/2011 06:14 AM
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New significant deterioration recorded in bonds with a focus on Italy.
The performance of the Italian 10-year bond at 7.36%, which exceeded the zone of 7% which is the red line for a country to join a support mechanism.
Italy in terms of market risk. Italy is out of the markets.
The CDS at 545 bps spread and spread difference of Italian and German bonds to 570 basis points.
Noted that Greece entered a support mechanism where the return of Greek 10-year had reached 6.25%.
The situation for bonds is negative given that the French spreads relative to Germany is at 132 basis points to a new record high.
The CDS of other countries remain very high.
Greece is at 6100 bps or 61%, Portugal 1065 bp, Ireland 7555 bp, France 188 bp and 93 bp Germany.
The euro was at $ 1.3680 decline significantly with variation of $ 1.3670 and $ 1.3890.
 Quoting: Ostria1


I am sure this is great information. But to me, it sounds like Charlie Brown's teacher. Whooonk, whoooonk. Care to dumb it down for the ignorant masses just a bit? Thanks!
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11/09/2011 06:15 AM
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2Yr > 7.52%

5Yr > 7.70%

10Yr > 7.42%

P U poop
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11/09/2011 06:22 AM

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Re: ITALIAN Bond Yields Starting To BLOW UP
New significant deterioration recorded in bonds with a focus on Italy.
The performance of the Italian 10-year bond at 7.36%, which exceeded the zone of 7% which is the red line for a country to join a support mechanism.
Italy in terms of market risk. Italy is out of the markets.
The CDS at 545 bps spread and spread difference of Italian and German bonds to 570 basis points.
Noted that Greece entered a support mechanism where the return of Greek 10-year had reached 6.25%.
The situation for bonds is negative given that the French spreads relative to Germany is at 132 basis points to a new record high.
The CDS of other countries remain very high.
Greece is at 6100 bps or 61%, Portugal 1065 bp, Ireland 7555 bp, France 188 bp and 93 bp Germany.
The euro was at $ 1.3680 decline significantly with variation of $ 1.3670 and $ 1.3890.
 Quoting: Ostria1


I am sure this is great information. But to me, it sounds like Charlie Brown's teacher. Whooonk, whoooonk. Care to dumb it down for the ignorant masses just a bit? Thanks!
 Quoting: withoutatrace


In short economy is doomed.
Italy cant borrow from the markets so this leads her to a support mechanism by EU and IMF but Italy is too big to be supported.
ps. there are fears for France if Italy fails
Ostria
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11/09/2011 06:26 AM
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10yr -> 7.43
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New significant deterioration recorded in bonds with a focus on Italy.
The performance of the Italian 10-year bond at 7.36%, which exceeded the zone of 7% which is the red line for a country to join a support mechanism.
Italy in terms of market risk. Italy is out of the markets.
The CDS at 545 bps spread and spread difference of Italian and German bonds to 570 basis points.
Noted that Greece entered a support mechanism where the return of Greek 10-year had reached 6.25%.
The situation for bonds is negative given that the French spreads relative to Germany is at 132 basis points to a new record high.
The CDS of other countries remain very high.
Greece is at 6100 bps or 61%, Portugal 1065 bp, Ireland 7555 bp, France 188 bp and 93 bp Germany.
The euro was at $ 1.3680 decline significantly with variation of $ 1.3670 and $ 1.3890.
 Quoting: Ostria1


I am sure this is great information. But to me, it sounds like Charlie Brown's teacher. Whooonk, whoooonk. Care to dumb it down for the ignorant masses just a bit? Thanks!
 Quoting: withoutatrace


In short economy is doomed.
Italy cant borrow from the markets so this leads her to a support mechanism by EU and IMF but Italy is too big to be supported.
ps. there are fears for France if Italy fails
 Quoting: Ostria1


Always good posts from you. Thanks mate.
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11/09/2011 06:31 AM
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Re: ITALIAN Bond Yields Starting To BLOW UP
New significant deterioration recorded in bonds with a focus on Italy.
The performance of the Italian 10-year bond at 7.36%, which exceeded the zone of 7% which is the red line for a country to join a support mechanism.
Italy in terms of market risk. Italy is out of the markets.
The CDS at 545 bps spread and spread difference of Italian and German bonds to 570 basis points.
Noted that Greece entered a support mechanism where the return of Greek 10-year had reached 6.25%.
The situation for bonds is negative given that the French spreads relative to Germany is at 132 basis points to a new record high.
The CDS of other countries remain very high.
Greece is at 6100 bps or 61%, Portugal 1065 bp, Ireland 7555 bp, France 188 bp and 93 bp Germany.
The euro was at $ 1.3680 decline significantly with variation of $ 1.3670 and $ 1.3890.
 Quoting: Ostria1


I am sure this is great information. But to me, it sounds like Charlie Brown's teacher. Whooonk, whoooonk. Care to dumb it down for the ignorant masses just a bit? Thanks!
 Quoting: withoutatrace


In short economy is doomed.
Italy cant borrow from the markets so this leads her to a support mechanism by EU and IMF but Italy is too big to be supported.
ps. there are fears for France if Italy fails
 Quoting: Ostria1


ok but in the end what exatly will this mean for italy?? more austerity?? etc.. etc?? what do you think this will lead to??
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11/09/2011 06:33 AM
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Its as simple as Italy can't pay its debts.

Because the markets are wising up to this they are raising the interest they expect to receive for the risky Italian Bonds.


Well if Italy can't pay its debts and needs to borrow more to pay them off AND they have to pay even more to refinance their debts.

Well its what they call the debt death spiral. The EU is silly and most intelligent people knew it couldn't work back when they started it.

I know GREECE and I think ITALY have to refinance massive amounts of debt by year-end. So what they were paying 3% interest on a trillion dollars now becomes 8%... SO THEY ARE FUCKED.

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Re: ITALIAN Bond Yields Starting To BLOW UP
New significant deterioration recorded in bonds with a focus on Italy.
The performance of the Italian 10-year bond at 7.36%, which exceeded the zone of 7% which is the red line for a country to join a support mechanism.
Italy in terms of market risk. Italy is out of the markets.
The CDS at 545 bps spread and spread difference of Italian and German bonds to 570 basis points.
Noted that Greece entered a support mechanism where the return of Greek 10-year had reached 6.25%.
The situation for bonds is negative given that the French spreads relative to Germany is at 132 basis points to a new record high.
The CDS of other countries remain very high.
Greece is at 6100 bps or 61%, Portugal 1065 bp, Ireland 7555 bp, France 188 bp and 93 bp Germany.
The euro was at $ 1.3680 decline significantly with variation of $ 1.3670 and $ 1.3890.
 Quoting: Ostria1


I am sure this is great information. But to me, it sounds like Charlie Brown's teacher. Whooonk, whoooonk. Care to dumb it down for the ignorant masses just a bit? Thanks!
 Quoting: withoutatrace


In short economy is doomed.
Italy cant borrow from the markets so this leads her to a support mechanism by EU and IMF but Italy is too big to be supported.
ps. there are fears for France if Italy fails
 Quoting: Ostria1


ok but in the end what exatly will this mean for italy?? more austerity?? etc.. etc?? what do you think this will lead to??
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 440753


I am guessing it is going to mean more hungry people.
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It's a coup d'etat, this was planned from the beginning, euro is the trojan horse, now europe drifts faster into bondage and totalitarism.
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Its as simple as Italy can't pay its debts.

Because the markets are wising up to this they are raising the interest they expect to receive for the risky Italian Bonds.


Well if Italy can't pay its debts and needs to borrow more to pay them off AND they have to pay even more to refinance their debts.

Well its what they call the debt death spiral. The EU is silly and most intelligent people knew it couldn't work back when they started it.

I know GREECE and I think ITALY have to refinance massive amounts of debt by year-end. So what they were paying 3% interest on a trillion dollars now becomes 8%... SO THEY ARE FUCKED.

web of doom
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Next we can go back over Contagion and the fact that the true PIIGS are actually France & Great Britain.





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