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How You Can Become President With Only Twenty-Two Percent Of The Popular Vote By Taking Advantange Of The Electoral College Today

 
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How You Can Become President With Only Twenty-Two Percent Of The Popular Vote By Taking Advantange Of The Electoral College Today
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The National Popular Vote bill would guarantee the Presidency to the candidate who receives the most popular votes in all 50 states (and DC), without needing to amend the Constitution.

Under National Popular Vote, every vote, everywhere, would be politically relevant and equal in every presidential election. Every vote would be included in the national count. The candidate with the most popular votes in all 50 states and DC would get the 270+ electoral votes from the enacting states. That majority of electoral votes guarantees the candidate with the most popular votes in all 50 states and DC wins the presidency.

National Popular Vote would give a voice to the minority party voters in each state. Now their votes are counted only for the candidate they did not vote for. Now they don't matter to their candidate.

With National Popular Vote, every vote, everywhere would be counted equally for, and directly assist, the candidate for whom it was cast.

Candidates would need to care about voters across the nation, not just undecided voters in the current handful of swing states. The political reality would be that when every vote is equal, the campaign must be run in every part of the country.

The bill uses the power given to each state by the Founding Fathers in the Constitution to change how they award their electoral votes for president. Historically, virtually all of the major changes in the method of electing the President, including ending the requirement that only men who owned substantial property could vote and 48 current state-by-state winner-take-all laws, have come about by state legislative action.

In Gallup polls since 1944, only about 20% of the public has supported the current system of awarding all of a state's electoral votes to the presidential candidate who receives the most votes in each separate state (with about 70% opposed and about 10% undecided). Support for a national popular vote is strong among Republicans, Democrats, and Independent voters, as well as every demographic group in virtually every state surveyed in recent polls in closely divided Battleground states: co - 68%, fl - 78%, ia 75%, mi - 73%, mo - 70%, nh - 69%, nv - 72%, nm- 76%, nc - 74%, oh - 70%, pa - 78%, va - 74%, and WI - 71%; in Small states (3 to 5 electoral votes): ak - 70%, dc - 76%, de - 75%, id - 77%, me - 77%, mt - 72%, ne 74%, nh - 69%, nv - 72%, nm - 76%, ok - 81%, ri - 74%, sd - 71%, ut - 70%, vt - 75%, wv - 81%, and WY - 69%; in Southern and Border states: ar - 80%,, ky- 80%, ms - 77%, mo - 70%, nc - 74%, ok - 81%, sc - 71%, tn - 83%, va - 74%, and WV - 81%; and in other states polled: ca - 70%, ct - 74%, ma - 73%, mn - 75%, ny - 79%, or - 76%, and WA - 77%.

The bill has passed 31 state legislative chambers in 21 small, medium-small, medium, and large states. In the lowest population states, the bill has passed in nine state legislative chambers -- including one house in DC, Delaware, Maine, and both houses in Hawaii, Rhode Island, and Vermont. It has been enacted by the District of Columbia, Hawaii, and Vermont. In total, the bill has been enacted by 9 jurisdictions that possess 132 electoral votes- 49% of the 270 necessary to bring the law into effect.

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So basically you would have the populations of the country's major cities choosing every President and the rural population completely ignored and unrepresented. Fuck you! The Founding fathers knew that vermin like you would eventually make you way back into uor government. They set up as many roadblocks as possible so vermin like you couldn't undermine the REPUBLIC. Take your democracy bullshit and shove it up your pinko ass. Mob rule is not a viable form of government. History has proven that time and time again.

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They win with even less than that. Less than half the people vote, the two major candidates split the rest. Good thing it's all rigged or this would be a problem.
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There's a reason the Founding Fathers came up with the Electoral College. You see, they were smarter than you, OP. They knew that population centers would get all the votes, while rural areas would be SOL. So...no. We're not a democracy, and we don't need mob rule. Thanks for playing.
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Now candidates ignore 2/3rds of the states and voters.

With National Popular Vote, big cities would not get all of candidates’ attention, much less control the outcome.
The population of the top five cities (New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, Houston and Philadelphia) is only 6% of the population of the United States and the population of the top 50 cities (going as obscurely far down as Arlington, TX) is only 19% of the population of the United States. Suburbs and exurbs often vote Republican.

Any candidate who yielded, for example, the 16% of Americans who live in rural areas in favor of a “big city” approach would not likely win the national popular vote.

If big cities controlled the outcome of elections, the governors and U.S. Senators would be Democratic in virtually every state with a significant city.

A nationwide presidential campaign, with every vote equal, would be run the way presidential candidates campaign to win the electoral votes of closely divided battleground states, such as Ohio and Florida, under the state-by-state winner-take-all methods. The big cities in those battleground states do not receive all the attention, much less control the outcome. Cleveland and Miami do not receive all the attention or control the outcome in Ohio and Florida.

The itineraries of presidential candidates in battleground states (and their allocation of other campaign resources in battleground states) reflect the political reality that every gubernatorial or senatorial candidate knows. When and where every vote is equal, a campaign must be run everywhere.

Even in California state-wide elections, candidates for governor or U.S. Senate don't campaign just in Los Angeles and San Francisco, and those places don't control the outcome (otherwise California wouldn't have recently had Republican governors Reagan, Dukemejian, Wilson, and Schwarzenegger). A vote in rural Alpine county is just an important as a vote in Los Angeles. If Los Angeles cannot control statewide elections in California, it can hardly control a nationwide election.

In fact, Los Angeles, San Francisco, San Jose, and Oakland together cannot control a statewide election in California.

Similarly, Republicans dominate Texas politics without carrying big cities such as Dallas and Houston.

There are numerous other examples of Republicans who won races for governor and U.S. Senator in other states that have big cities (e.g., New York, Illinois, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Massachusetts) without ever carrying the big cities of their respective states.

The National Popular Vote bill would not change the need for candidates to build a winning coalition across demographics. Any candidate who yielded, for example, the 16% of Americans who live in rural areas in favor of a “big city” approach would not likely win the national popular vote. Candidates would still have to appeal to a broad range of demographics, and perhaps even more so, because the election wouldn’t be capable of coming down to just one demographic, such as voters in Ohio.

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