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 I'm a Chemtrail Debunker/Detractor  . . . I would agree CHEMTRAILs exist if . . . Poll

 
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I am satisfied with my income, my toys, and my life. . . .I have no need to chase the almighty dollar. . . There are other things more important to me. . .
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Satisfied with money and life....

Jesus George, that's beyond my comprehension.

I have never been satisfied with ANYTHING I've ever achieved after about the first 15 minutes or so. I'm always striving for more. It's just the way it is with me.
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people are different. . .
different strokes for different folks. . . . I worked very hard for many years. . . was forced to slow down and smell the roses . . . I got use to it and now I would rather smell roses than
grow them . . .life is funny. . .
 Quoting: George B



Aint THAT the truth!!??

Why were you "forced" to slow down? A mental illness diagnosis?! Some other sort of illness you attribute to aviation/"chemtrails" in some way?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1525278


The only thing I have against aviation is they now charge for luggage. . . .and first class is way overpriced. . . .Please stop with the mental illness crap Noble . . . Look in the mirror on that one. . . .
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.
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The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional . . . George B
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That is the publicity. . . You believe everything you read . . . jet fuel come from very few refineries. . . Most of them in the US . . . .
 Quoting: George B


This is the silliest statement you have yet said. Of course I don't believe everything I read that is why I don't believe in chemtrails, Nibiru, astrology, numerology, and all the other pseudo and junk science claims. If I believe everything I read I would be like you making ad hoc assumptions and weaving intricate stories that are too flimsy to stand on their own.

Most jet fuel comes from the US and from only 137 refineries. . . 

[link to www.nationmaster.com]


[link to www.eia.gov]
 Quoting: George B


The sources you provided said 148, And so what? Are you trying to tell me that none of them have ever been tested for sulfur content? Are you going to start another improbable story about an Air Force captain who secretly does the testing and then fakes the results? How many crimes are you going to make this poor captain commit?
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I am proposing a possible way to get massive amounts of additives in
high flying aircraft via their fuel with the fewest number of people involved. . . .


That is 137 operational refineries. . . Several are idle. . . .there are few
corporate owners of the refineries. . . BP is the primary source for example of much of the North American Northwest. . . both civil and military. . . It is a natural choke point. . . A few individuals can manipulate the fuel content within a few percent of its performance parameters and have it distributed without, for the most part, anyone in the airline industry aware. . . .I am sure they are aware of the testing regimes conducted on the fuel and can game play it to avoid detection . . .


"Situated on 2,400 acres and employing about 825 full-time workers, the facility processes more than 225,000 barrels of crude oil a day, primarily transportation fuels. It provides about 20 percent of the gasoline market share in Washington and Oregon, the majority of jet fuel for Seattle, Portland and Vancouver, B.C. international airports, and is the largest west coast supplier of jet fuel to the U.S. military."


[link to www.bp.com]
 Quoting: George B


I love how it's YOU that always comes up with a way to fool "the
people"...yet, haven't shown that anyone else is doing anything of the sort...

Your paranoid "what if" world must be a scary place to live within!

By the way..your link is broken...
 Quoting: Noble


[link to www.bp.com]
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.
Galileo Galilei, Italian astronomer & physicist (1564 - 1642)

The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional . . . George B
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Satisfied with money and life....

Jesus George, that's beyond my comprehension.

I have never been satisfied with ANYTHING I've ever achieved after about the first 15 minutes or so. I'm always striving for more. It's just the way it is with me.
 Quoting: N34444


people are different. . .
different strokes for different folks. . . . I worked very hard for many years. . . was forced to slow down and smell the roses . . . I got use to it and now I would rather smell roses than
grow them . . .life is funny. . .
 Quoting: George B



Aint THAT the truth!!??

Why were you "forced" to slow down? A mental illness diagnosis?! Some other sort of illness you attribute to aviation/"chemtrails" in some way?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1525278


The only thing I have against aviation is they now charge for luggage. . . .and first class is way overpriced. . . .Please stop with the mental illness crap Noble . . . Look in the mirror on that one. . . .
 Quoting: George B


I don't doubt that I have a mental illness...or two. The difference is...I can admit it. I understand that I'm compulsive AND obsessive...among other "problems". I freely admit that! Now, what does that have to do with YOU!?!~

Why can't YOU admit that you are prone to accepting paranoid fantasy as truth?! Oh, I see...because you are perfect and couldn't possibly be wrong...your world view is the only correct one...and everything you accept AS fact...IS fact.

Got it!
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That is the publicity. . . You believe everything you read . . . jet fuel come from very few refineries. . . Most of them in the US . . . .
 Quoting: George B


This is the silliest statement you have yet said. Of course I don't believe everything I read that is why I don't believe in chemtrails, Nibiru, astrology, numerology, and all the other pseudo and junk science claims. If I believe everything I read I would be like you making ad hoc assumptions and weaving intricate stories that are too flimsy to stand on their own.

Most jet fuel comes from the US and from only 137 refineries. . . 

[link to www.nationmaster.com]


[link to www.eia.gov]
 Quoting: George B


The sources you provided said 148, And so what? Are you trying to tell me that none of them have ever been tested for sulfur content? Are you going to start another improbable story about an Air Force captain who secretly does the testing and then fakes the results? How many crimes are you going to make this poor captain commit?
 Quoting: F=ma


I am proposing a possible way to get massive amounts of additives in
high flying aircraft via their fuel with the fewest number of people involved. . . .


That is 137 operational refineries. . . Several are idle. . . .there are few
corporate owners of the refineries. . . BP is the primary source for example of much of the North American Northwest. . . both civil and military. . . It is a natural choke point. . . A few individuals can manipulate the fuel content within a few percent of its performance parameters and have it distributed without, for the most part, anyone in the airline industry aware. . . .I am sure they are aware of the testing regimes conducted on the fuel and can game play it to avoid detection . . .


"Situated on 2,400 acres and employing about 825 full-time workers, the facility processes more than 225,000 barrels of crude oil a day, primarily transportation fuels. It provides about 20 percent of the gasoline market share in Washington and Oregon, the majority of jet fuel for Seattle, Portland and Vancouver, B.C. international airports, and is the largest west coast supplier of jet fuel to the U.S. military."


[link to www.bp.com]
 Quoting: George B


Your proposing an ad hoc solution and assume that everyone is an idiot unable to see problems in front of their faces.
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This is the silliest statement you have yet said. Of course I don't believe everything I read that is why I don't believe in chemtrails, Nibiru, astrology, numerology, and all the other pseudo and junk science claims. If I believe everything I read I would be like you making ad hoc assumptions and weaving intricate stories that are too flimsy to stand on their own.

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The sources you provided said 148, And so what? Are you trying to tell me that none of them have ever been tested for sulfur content? Are you going to start another improbable story about an Air Force captain who secretly does the testing and then fakes the results? How many crimes are you going to make this poor captain commit?
 Quoting: F=ma



I am proposing a possible way to get massive amounts of additives in
high flying aircraft via their fuel with the fewest number of people involved. . . .


That is 137 operational refineries. . . Several are idle. . . .there are few
corporate owners of the refineries. . . BP is the primary source for example of much of the North American Northwest. . . both civil and military. . . It is a natural choke point. . . A few individuals can manipulate the fuel content within a few percent of its performance parameters and have it distributed without, for the most part, anyone in the airline industry aware. . . .I am sure they are aware of the testing regimes conducted on the fuel and can game play it to avoid detection . . .


"Situated on 2,400 acres and employing about 825 full-time workers, the facility processes more than 225,000 barrels of crude oil a day, primarily transportation fuels. It provides about 20 percent of the gasoline market share in Washington and Oregon, the majority of jet fuel for Seattle, Portland and Vancouver, B.C. international airports, and is the largest west coast supplier of jet fuel to the U.S. military."


[link to www.bp.com]
 Quoting: George B


I love how it's YOU that always comes up with a way to fool "the
people"...yet, haven't shown that anyone else is doing anything of the sort...

Your paranoid "what if" world must be a scary place to live within!

By the way..your link is broken...
 Quoting: Noble


[link to www.bp.com]
 Quoting: George B


Yup...that's a link to a BP website alright! Thanks!

The horror!!!
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Pilots have NOT come forward to say that the trails we all see are related to "geoengineering" they have come forward and explained that hey have sprayed chemicals as part of cloud seeding or some other project also unrelated to the trail in the sky...
 Quoting: Noble 1525278


They do that shit all the time in Salt Lake City.

When the fog gets REALLY bad over the airport, they seed it. The fog then congeals and the moisture falls to the ground as snow - it looks like something half way between snow and an ice pellet.

They spray whatever it is along the final approach course to increase the visibility enough for aircraft to land and it doesn't last that long - maybe 30 minutes or so - before they have to do it again.

[link to www.deseretnews.com]

In this article, it says the seeding was ineffective so they stopped doing it. I'm here to tell you it was VERY effective and they'd been doing it for YEARS.
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Here's the real reason Salt Lake stopped their program. Fucking FAA rules put an end to productivity - as usual. I wonder how many jobs were lost and how many people will be inconvenienced by this bullshit. And, they weren't spreading chemicals - just ice pellets.

[link to www.dailytidings.com]

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Pilots have NOT come forward to say that the trails we all see are related to "geoengineering" they have come forward and explained that hey have sprayed chemicals as part of cloud seeding or some other project also unrelated to the trail in the sky...
 Quoting: Noble 1525278


They do that shit all the time in Salt Lake City.

When the fog gets REALLY bad over the airport, they seed it. The fog then congeals and the moisture falls to the ground as snow - it looks like something half way between snow and an ice pellet.

They spray whatever it is along the final approach course to increase the visibility enough for aircraft to land and it doesn't last that long - maybe 30 minutes or so - before they have to do it again.

[link to www.deseretnews.com]

In this article, it says the seeding was ineffective so they stopped doing it. I'm here to tell you it was VERY effective and they'd been doing it for YEARS.
 Quoting: N34444


Found this from 1969 you may find of interest

[link to news.google.com]

Says that as long as the dropped dry ice it was effective. Soon as they stopped the fog would come back in. Makes sense really. Like blowing on your windshield to clear condensation. Soon as you stop it fogs back up.

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people are different. . .
different strokes for different folks. . . . I
worked very hard for many years. . . was forced to slow down and smell the roses . . . I got use to it and now I would rather smell roses than
grow them . . .life is funny. . .
 Quoting: George B



Aint THAT the truth!!??

Why were you "forced" to slow down? A mental illness diagnosis?! Some other sort of illness you attribute to aviation/"chemtrails" in some way?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1525278


The only thing I have against aviation is they now charge for luggage. . . .and first class is way overpriced. . . .Please stop with the mental illness crap Noble . . . Look in the mirror on that one. . . .
 Quoting: George B


I don't doubt that I have a mental illness...or two. The difference is...I can admit it. I understand that I'm compulsive AND obsessive...among other "problems". I freely admit that! Now, what does that have to do with
YOU!?!~

Why can't YOU admit that you are prone to accepting paranoid fantasy as truth?! Oh, I see...because you are perfect and couldn't possibly be wrong...your world view is the only correct one...and everything you accept AS fact...IS fact.

Got it!
 Quoting: Noble


Since when did being an advocate for a position become a mental illness??? I have weighed the evidence, considered the alternative explanations and still feel there is something to the Chemtrail conspiracy. . . .I have never said I know the real truth. . . .I don't even know if there is such a thing in the human experience as the REAL TRUTH . . .

So if you view my support of the Chemtrail conspiracy as mental illness that is your bag. . . I have no trouble with my position . . .
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.
Galileo Galilei, Italian astronomer & physicist (1564 - 1642)

The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional . . . George B
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That is the publicity. . . You believe everything you read . . . jet fuel come from very few refineries. . . Most of them in the US . . . .
 Quoting: George B


This is the silliest statement you have yet said. Of course I don't believe everything I read that is why I don't believe in chemtrails, Nibiru, astrology, numerology, and all the other pseudo and junk science claims. If I believe everything I read I would be like you making ad hoc assumptions and weaving intricate stories that are too flimsy to stand on their own.

Most jet fuel comes from the US and from only 137 refineries. . . 

[link to www.nationmaster.com]


[link to www.eia.gov]
 Quoting: George B


The sources you provided said 148, And so what? Are you trying to tell me that none of them have ever been tested for sulfur content? Are you going to start another improbable story about an Air Force captain who secretly does the testing and then fakes the results? How many crimes are you going to make this poor captain commit?
 Quoting: F=ma



I am proposing a possible way to get massive amounts of additives in
high flying aircraft via their fuel with the fewest number of people involved. . . .


That is 137 operational refineries. . . Several are idle. . . .there are few
corporate owners of the refineries. . . BP is the primary source for example of much of the North American Northwest. . . both civil and military. . . It is a natural choke point. . . A few individuals can manipulate
the fuel content within a few percent of its performance parameters and have it distributed without, for the most part, anyone in the airline industry aware. . . .I am sure they are aware of the testing regimes conducted on the fuel and can game play it to avoid detection . . .


"Situated on 2,400 acres and employing about 825 full-time workers, the facility processes more than 225,000 barrels of crude oil a day, primarily transportation fuels. It provides about 20 percent of the gasoline market
share in Washington and Oregon, the majority of jet fuel for Seattle, Portland and Vancouver, B.C. international airports, and is the largest west coast supplier of jet fuel to the U.S. military."


[link to www.bp.com]
 Quoting: George B


Your proposing an ad hoc solution and assume that everyone is an idiot unable to see problems in front of their faces.

 Quoting: F=ma


What problem(s) are we talking about. . . .Global Warming?
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.
Galileo Galilei, Italian astronomer & physicist (1564 - 1642)

The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional . . . George B
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Aint THAT the truth!!??

Why were you "forced" to slow down? A mental illness diagnosis?! Some other sort of illness you attribute to aviation/"chemtrails" in some way?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1525278


The only thing I have against aviation is they now charge for luggage. . . .and first class is way overpriced. . . .Please stop with the mental illness crap Noble . . . Look in the mirror on that one. . . .
 Quoting: George B


I don't doubt that I have a mental illness...or two. The difference is...I can admit it. I understand that I'm compulsive AND obsessive...among other "problems". I freely admit that! Now, what does that have to do with
YOU!?!~

Why can't YOU admit that you are prone to accepting paranoid fantasy as truth?! Oh, I see...because you are perfect and couldn't possibly be wrong...your world view is the only correct one...and everything you accept AS fact...IS fact.

Got it!
 Quoting: Noble


Since when did being an advocate for a position become a mental illness??? I have weighed the evidence, considered the alternative explanations and still feel there is something to the Chemtrail conspiracy. . . .I have never said I know the real truth. . . .I don't even know if there is such a thing in the human experience as the REAL TRUTH . . .

So if you view my support of the Chemtrail conspiracy as mental illness that is your bag. . . I have no trouble with my position . . .
 Quoting: George B


Who said anything about being an advocate being a mental illness? It's the conclusion jumping...paranoid assumption...wild speculation that led me to making that statement.

And yes, I do, in your case, consider your support of the "chemtrail" conspiracy a mental illness...because of your refusal to see that you make one assumption after another not based on facts...but on your paranoid world view.
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What problem(s) are we talking about. . . .Global Warming?
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No. Don't be coy. You are saying people are unable to notice when planes have been modified. Are unable to measure sulfur content. That some military captain would spray civilians with chemicals because he doesn't know it is illegal to do so. And on. It is a long series of assumptions that succeed only if the people involved are complete idiots.
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The only thing I have against aviation is they now charge for luggage. . .
.and first class is way overpriced. . . .Please stop with the mental illness crap Noble . . . Look in the mirror on that one. . . .
 Quoting: George B


I don't doubt that I have a mental illness...or two. The difference is...I can admit it. I understand that I'm compulsive AND obsessive...among other "problems". I freely admit that! Now, what does that have to do with
YOU!?!~

Why can't YOU admit that you are prone to accepting paranoid fantasy as truth?! Oh, I see...because you are perfect and couldn't possibly be wrong...your world view is the only correct one...and everything you accept AS fact...IS fact.

Got it!
 Quoting: Noble


Since when did being an advocate for a position become a mental illness??? I have weighed the evidence, considered the alternative explanations and still feel there is something to the Chemtrail conspiracy. . . .I have never said I know the real truth. . . .I don't even know if there is such a thing in the human experience as the REAL TRUTH . . .

So if you view my support of the Chemtrail conspiracy as mental illness that is your bag. . . I have no trouble with my position . . .
 Quoting: George B


Who said anything about being an advocate being a mental illness? It's the conclusion jumping...paranoid assumption...wild speculation that led me to making that statement.
And yes, I do, in your case, consider your support of the "chemtrail" conspiracy a mental illness...because of your refusal to see that you make one assumption after another not based on facts...but on your paranoid world view.
 Quoting: Noble


Sorry . . . Your need for certified, calibrated, chain of custody, validated, scientific data is rare and almost impossible in an open system like the atmosphere and the biosphere. . . Especially when the people who could help won't touch the issue with a ten foot pole. . . .

Chemtrail advocates are at a distinct disadvantage. . . They are trying to advocate for a position where the evidence is controlled and manipulated by their opponents. . . So the lack of concrete evidence that would convince a hard core debunker is difficult to produce. . . .that does not mean it doesn't exist. . . Enough time and effort . . .coupled with a few breaks . . .I feel will eventually vindicate the advocates . . .
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.
Galileo Galilei, Italian astronomer & physicist (1564 - 1642)

The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional . . . George B
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What problem(s) are we talking about. . . .Global Warming?
 Quoting: George B


No. Don't be coy. You are saying people are unable to notice when planes have been modified. Are unable to measure sulfur content. That some military captain would spray civilians with chemicals because he doesn't know it is illegal to do so. And on. It is a long series of assumptions that succeed only if the people involved are complete idiots.
 Quoting: F=ma


Sure, people are incapable of fraud, deception, misdirection, bribery, self-deception, appeals to patriotism. . There has never been a conspiracy to smuggle drugs, women, children, weapons . . . Right in front of the authorities or the public's nose. . . I don't known who is living in the biggest dream world. . . .you or me. . . .
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.
Galileo Galilei, Italian astronomer & physicist (1564 - 1642)

The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional . . . George B
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I don't doubt that I have a mental illness...or two. The difference is...I can admit it. I understand that I'm compulsive AND obsessive...among other "problems". I freely admit that! Now, what does that have to do with
YOU!?!~

Why can't YOU admit that you are prone to accepting paranoid fantasy as truth?! Oh, I see...because you are perfect and couldn't possibly be wrong...your world view is the only correct one...and everything you accept AS fact...IS fact.

Got it!
 Quoting: Noble


Since when did being an advocate for a position become a mental illness??? I have weighed the evidence, considered the alternative explanations and still feel there is something to the Chemtrail conspiracy. . . .I have never said I know the real truth. . . .I don't even know if there is such a thing in the human experience as the REAL TRUTH . . .

So if you view my support of the Chemtrail conspiracy as mental illness that is your bag. . . I have no trouble with my position . . .
 Quoting: George B


Who said anything about being an advocate being a mental illness? It's the conclusion jumping...paranoid assumption...wild speculation that led me to making that statement.
And yes, I do, in your case, consider your support of the "chemtrail" conspiracy a mental illness...because of your refusal to see that you make one assumption after another not based on facts...but on your paranoid world view.
 Quoting: Noble


Sorry . . . Your need for certified, calibrated, chain of custody, validated, scientific data is rare and almost impossible in an open system like the atmosphere and the biosphere. . . Especially when the people who could help won't touch the issue with a ten foot pole. . . .

Chemtrail advocates are at a distinct disadvantage. . . They are trying to advocate for a position where the evidence is controlled and manipulated by their opponents. . . So the lack of concrete evidence that would convince a hard core debunker is difficult to produce. . . .that does not mean it doesn't exist. . . Enough time and effort . . .coupled with a few breaks . . .I feel will eventually vindicate the advocates . . .
 Quoting: George B


Meaningless....

You and your friends haven't shown that this isn't all about assumptions made by people who have never studied a subject...who are also prone to making assumption.

Take away MY supposed need for "certified, calibrated, chain of custody, validated, scientific data" and you and your friends STILL have nothing more than ignorance and paranoid suspicion! This isn't about me..it's about YOU! I have actually studied these subjects for years...you umped on the chemtard bandwagon and ran with it!

You will never vindicate the chemtards...because the trails in the sky are contrails. Even if it were to be admitted that "they" are spraying things within the trails...there is STILL no evidence that the trails are chemtrails. There is only the paranoid speculation which you hope to prove isn't paranoid...someday. But, at this moment...to look up at a trail and say " based on the way it behaves and the way it looks...it must be a chemtrail" is STUPID! The trails look and behave just like persistent contrails.. Looking at them from the ground and making claims based on ignorance IS stupid! There is no way of getting around that fact. The only thing you may be able to prove is that at some point...in some region...someone sprayed something. You will NEVER prove that a single trail in a single chemtard image/video is anything more than a persistent contrail. Get it? Doubtful...
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What problem(s) are we talking about. . . .Global Warming?
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No. Don't be coy. You are saying people are unable to notice when planes have been modified. Are unable to measure sulfur content. That some military captain would spray civilians with chemicals because he doesn't know it is illegal to do so. And on. It is a long series of assumptions that succeed only if the people involved are complete idiots.
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Sure, people are incapable of fraud, deception, misdirection, bribery, self-deception, appeals to patriotism. . There has never been a conspiracy to smuggle drugs, women, children, weapons . . . Right in front of the authorities or the public's nose. . . I don't known who is living in the biggest dream world. . . .you or me. . . .
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So, all that makes it perfectly normal to assume that chemtrails are real? Just because bad people do bad things...there must be bad people involved in doing bad things with contrails...thats' why we see trails in the sky..

If that's not paranoid speculation based on a warped world view...I don't know what is.


People can do/have done bad things....so it's normal to assume that the trails aren't contrails...

Wow...You sure are one creepy dude!
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No. Don't be coy. You are saying people are unable to notice when planes have been modified. Are unable to measure sulfur content. That some military captain would spray civilians with chemicals because he doesn't know it is illegal to do so. And on. It is a long series of assumptions that succeed only if the people involved are complete idiots.
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Sure, people are incapable of fraud, deception, misdirection, bribery, self-deception, appeals to patriotism. . There has never been a conspiracy to smuggle drugs, women, children, weapons . . . Right in front of the authorities or the public's nose. . . I don't known who is living in the biggest dream world. . . .you or me. . . .
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You because you are putting words in my mouth, a nasty habit of yours. I did not say or imply any of those things.
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No. Don't be coy. You are saying people are unable to notice when planes have been modified. Are unable to measure sulfur content. That some military captain would spray civilians with chemicals because he doesn't know it is illegal to do so. And on. It is a long series of assumptions that succeed only if the people involved are complete idiots.
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Sure, people are incapable of fraud, deception, misdirection, bribery, self-deception, appeals to patriotism. . There has never been a conspiracy to smuggle drugs, women, children, weapons . . . Right in front of the authorities or the public's nose. . . I don't known who is living in the biggest dream world. . . .you or me. . . .
 Quoting: George B


You because you are putting words in my mouth, a nasty habit of yours. I did not say or imply any of those things.
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Please clarify. . . .you indicated that people would notice the things I proposed as explanations on how Chemtrail operations could be protected from discovery . . . I was explaining how similar thing go on without discovery even when paid investigators are looking for them And know from past investigations how they accomplish such activities . . .your ball . . .
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What problem(s) are we talking about. . . .Global Warming?
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No. Don't be coy. You are saying people are unable to notice when planes have been modified. Are unable to measure sulfur content. That some military captain would spray civilians with chemicals because he doesn't know it is illegal to do so. And on. It is a long series of assumptions that succeed only if the people involved are complete idiots.
 Quoting: F=ma


Sure, people are incapable of fraud, deception, misdirection, bribery, self-deception, appeals to patriotism. . There has never been a conspiracy to smuggle drugs, women, children, weapons . . . Right in front of the authorities or the public's nose. . . I don't known who is living in the biggest dream world. . . .you or me. . . .
 Quoting: George B


So, all that makes it perfectly normal to assume that chemtrails are real? Just because bad people do bad things...there must be bad people involved in doing bad things with contrails...thats' why we see trails in the sky..

If that's not paranoid speculation based on a warped world view...I don't know what is.


People can do/have done bad things....so it's normal to assume that the
trails aren't contrails...

Wow...You sure are one creepy dude!
 Quoting: Noble

Maybe I have live longer and seen more deception and covert operations than you have. . .
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No. Don't be coy. You are saying people are unable to notice when planes have been modified. Are unable to measure sulfur content. That some military captain would spray civilians with chemicals because he doesn't know it is illegal to do so. And on. It is a long series of assumptions that succeed only if the people involved are complete idiots.
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Sure, people are incapable of fraud, deception, misdirection, bribery, self-deception, appeals to patriotism. . There has never been a conspiracy to smuggle drugs, women, children, weapons . . . Right in front of the authorities or the public's nose. . . I don't known who is living in the biggest dream world. . . .you or me. . . .
 Quoting: George B


So, all that makes it perfectly normal to assume that chemtrails are real? Just because bad people do bad things...there must be bad people involved in doing bad things with contrails...thats' why we see trails in the sky..

If that's not paranoid speculation based on a warped world view...I don't know what is.


People can do/have done bad things....so it's normal to assume that the
trails aren't contrails...

Wow...You sure are one creepy dude!
 Quoting: Noble

Maybe I have live longer and seen more deception and covert operations than you have. . .
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That's irrelevant! You STILL have nothing but your paranoid ignorance to guide you about this subject!
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Sure, people are incapable of fraud, deception, misdirection, bribery, self-deception, appeals to patriotism. . There has never been a conspiracy to smuggle drugs, women, children, weapons . . . Right in front of the authorities or the public's nose. . . I don't known who is living in the biggest dream world. . . .you or me. . . .
 Quoting: George B


So, all that makes it perfectly normal to assume that chemtrails are real? Just because bad people do bad things...there must be bad people involved in doing bad things with contrails...thats' why we see trails in the sky..

If that's not paranoid speculation based on a warped world view...I don't know what is.

People can do/have done bad things....so it's normal to assume that the
trails aren't contrails...

Wow...You sure are one creepy dude!
 Quoting: Noble

Maybe I have live longer and seen more deception and covert operations than you have. . .
 Quoting: George B


That's irrelevant! You STILL have nothing but your paranoid ignorance to guide you about this subject!

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I don't think we would ever agree. . . .GO FIGURE!!!! . . . 1rof1
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No. Don't be coy. You are saying people are unable to notice when planes have been modified. Are unable to measure sulfur content. That some military captain would spray civilians with chemicals because he doesn't know it is illegal to do so. And on. It is a long series of assumptions that succeed only if the people involved are complete idiots.
 Quoting: F=ma


Sure, people are incapable of fraud, deception, misdirection, bribery, self-deception, appeals to patriotism. . There has never been a conspiracy to smuggle drugs, women, children, weapons . . . Right in front of the authorities or the public's nose. . . I don't known who is living in the biggest dream world. . . .you or me. . . .
 Quoting: George B


You because you are putting words in my mouth, a nasty habit of yours. I did not say or imply any of those things.
 Quoting: F=ma


Please clarify. . . .you indicated that people would notice the things I proposed as explanations on how Chemtrail operations could be protected from discovery . . . I was explaining how similar thing go on without discovery even when paid investigators are looking for them And know from past investigations how they accomplish such activities . . .your ball . . .
 Quoting: George B


Conspiracy is not really the correct term for what you describe. It is criminal but in the usual, at least for this forum, definition of conspiracy those crimes do not fit the defintion of conspiracy. They are crimes and of course the people involved will try to hide their activities.

No. I am talking about the ridiculous proposal of yours that the guy who empties the toilet on aircraft is really an undercover Air Force captain who at the same time as empying the toilets is filling secret chemical tanks that empty through the static discharge wicks that are controlled by satellite by someone somehwere at sometime. The captain is toally unaware he is doing something illegal. No one notices the guy filling the secret chemical tanks. No one notices the fake wicks. No one notices the extra equipment on the plane or on the pumping truck. No one notices the stores of chemicals somehow hidden on an airport that gets filled into the planes. No one questions why a truckload of chemicals is coming on to the airport in the first place. No one notices the large amount of chemicals being delivered to the airport and somehow there have to be bills floating around to pay for all the stuff. The wick manufactures don't seem to notice they are making fake wicks. The chemical manufacturers don't know they are delivering chemicals to airports. And this happens at not one airport but the thousand airports across the country. So there are either undreds of thousands of people involved in your consipracy or everyone is a complete idiot.

Waiting for more ridiculous, ad hoc explinations.

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No. Don't be coy. You are saying people are unable to notice when planes have been modified. Are unable to measure sulfur content. That some military captain would spray civilians with chemicals because he doesn't know it is illegal to do so. And on. It is a long series of assumptions that succeed only if the people involved are complete idiots.
 Quoting: F=ma


Sure, people are incapable of fraud, deception, misdirection, bribery, self-deception, appeals to patriotism. . There has never been a conspiracy to smuggle drugs, women, children, weapons . . . Right in front of the authorities or the public's nose. . . I don't known who is living in the biggest dream world. . . .you or me. . . .
 Quoting: George B


So, all that makes it perfectly normal to assume that chemtrails are real? Just because bad people do bad things...there must be bad people involved in doing bad things with contrails...thats' why we see trails in the sky..

If that's not paranoid speculation based on a warped world view...I don't know what is.


People can do/have done bad things....so it's normal to assume that the
trails aren't contrails...

Wow...You sure are one creepy dude!
 Quoting: Noble

Maybe I have live longer and seen more deception and covert operations than you have. . .
 Quoting: George B


Argument from authority. No matter what your background what you have seen it does not make you an expert in contrails or even your supposed chemtrails.
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Let us read the tea leaves this morning. . . .Hmmmmm. . . . .seems even when given logical alternatives the largest single voting group of debunkers indicate they would never admit CHEMTRAILs exist. . . .very mature reaction . . . GO FIGURE. . . .lala


POLL:  I'm a Chemtrail Debunker/Detractor  . . . I would agree CHEMTRAILs exist if
1) CHEMTRAILs exist if . . .no way, never possible   39.5% (81)
7) More than one of the above. . . .   25.9% (53)
4) CHEMTRAILs exist if . . . In situ testing by MIT confirmed it   10.2% (21)
5) CHEMTRAILs exist if. . . . Several Aircrews admitted under Oath   10.2% (21)
8) None of these answers . . . I will Post my answer below   9.3% (19)
6) CHEMTRAILs exist if. . . . Raytheon Corp. Published Prospectus including profits from Chemtrail OPS   2.0% (4)
2) CHEMTRAILs exist if . . The President said they existed   1.5% (3)
3) CHEMTRAILs exist if . .  Fox, CBS, ABC, CNN, NBC say they exist   1.5% (3)
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Let us read the tea leaves this morning. . . .Hmmmmm. . . . .seems even when given logical alternatives the largest single voting group of debunkers indicate they would never admit CHEMTRAILs exist. . . .very mature reaction . . . GO FIGURE. . . .lala


POLL:  I'm a Chemtrail Debunker/Detractor  . . . I would agree CHEMTRAILs exist if
1) CHEMTRAILs exist if . . .no way, never possible   39.5% (81)
7) More than one of the above. . . .   25.9% (53)
4) CHEMTRAILs exist if . . . In situ testing by MIT confirmed it   10.2% (21)
5) CHEMTRAILs exist if. . . . Several Aircrews admitted under Oath   10.2% (21)
8) None of these answers . . . I will Post my answer below   9.3% (19)
6) CHEMTRAILs exist if. . . . Raytheon Corp. Published Prospectus including profits from Chemtrail OPS   2.0% (4)
2) CHEMTRAILs exist if . . The President said they existed   1.5% (3)
3) CHEMTRAILs exist if . .  Fox, CBS, ABC, CNN, NBC say they exist   1.5% (3)
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Being an unscientific, and poorly worded, poll do not expect a reasonable outcome.
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Not to mention the fact that chemtrails DO NOT exist....
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Let us read the tea leaves this morning. . . .Hmmmmm. . . . .seems even when given logical alternatives the largest single voting group of debunkers indicate they would never admit CHEMTRAILs exist. . . .very mature reaction . . . GO FIGURE. . . .lala


POLL:  I'm a Chemtrail Debunker/Detractor  . . . I would agree CHEMTRAILs exist if
1) CHEMTRAILs exist if . . .no way, never possible   39.5% (81)
7) More than one of the above. . . .   25.9% (53)
4) CHEMTRAILs exist if . . . In situ testing by MIT confirmed it   10.2% (21)
5) CHEMTRAILs exist if. . . . Several Aircrews admitted under Oath   10.2% (21)
8) None of these answers . . . I will Post my answer below   9.3% (19)
6) CHEMTRAILs exist if. . . . Raytheon Corp. Published Prospectus including profits from Chemtrail OPS   2.0% (4)
2) CHEMTRAILs exist if . . The President said they existed   1.5% (3)
3) CHEMTRAILs exist if . .  Fox, CBS, ABC, CNN, NBC say they exist   1.5% (3)
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Being an unscientific, and poorly worded, poll do not expect a reasonable outcome.
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Construct a better one and prove me wrong. . . .
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Let us read the tea leaves this morning. . . .Hmmmmm. . . . .seems even when given logical alternatives the largest single voting group of debunkers indicate they would never admit CHEMTRAILs exist. . . .very mature reaction . . . GO FIGURE. . . .lala


POLL:  I'm a Chemtrail Debunker/Detractor  . . . I would agree CHEMTRAILs exist if
1) CHEMTRAILs exist if . . .no way, never possible   39.5% (81)
7) More than one of the above. . . .   25.9% (53)
4) CHEMTRAILs exist if . . . In situ testing by MIT confirmed it   10.2% (21)
5) CHEMTRAILs exist if. . . . Several Aircrews admitted under Oath   10.2% (21)
8) None of these answers . . . I will Post my answer below   9.3% (19)
6) CHEMTRAILs exist if. . . . Raytheon Corp. Published Prospectus including profits from Chemtrail OPS   2.0% (4)
2) CHEMTRAILs exist if . . The President said they existed   1.5% (3)
3) CHEMTRAILs exist if . .  Fox, CBS, ABC, CNN, NBC say they exist   1.5% (3)
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Being an unscientific, and poorly worded, poll do not expect a reasonable outcome.
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Construct a better one and prove me wrong. . . .
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A poll will prove nothing except about the few people who choose to participate.
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Conspiracy is not really the correct term for what you describe. It is criminal but in the usual, at least for this forum, definition of conspiracy those crimes do not fit the defintion of conspiracy. They are crimes and of course the people involved will try to hide their activities.
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[link to en.wikipedia.org]

"Conspiracy has been defined in the US as an agreement of two or more people to commit a crime, or to accomplish a legal end through illegal actions.[7][8] For example, planning to rob a bank (an illegal act) to raise money for charity (a legal end) remains a criminal conspiracy because the parties agreed to use illegal means to accomplish the end goal.". Seems drug trafficking, etc would fit the definition of a conspiracy . . . Legal or otherwise. . . .



No. I am talking about the ridiculous proposal of yours that the guy who empties the toilet on aircraft is really an undercover Air Force captain who at the same time as empying the toilets is filling secret chemical tanks that empty through the static discharge wicks that are controlled by satellite by someone somehwere at sometime.
 Quoting: F=ma


It need not be anyone special. . . You could perhaps do it yourself. . .


The captain is toally unaware he is doing something illegal. No one notices the guy filling the secret chemical tanks. No one notices the fake wicks. No one notices the extra equipment on the plane or on the pumping truck. No one notices the stores of chemicals somehow hidden on an airport that gets filled into the planes. No one questions why a truckload of chemicals is coming on to the airport in the first place. No one notices the large amount of
chemicals being delivered to the airport and somehow there have to be bills floating around to pay for all the stuff. The wick manufactures don't seem to notice they are making fake wicks. The chemical manufacturers
don't know they are delivering chemicals to airports. And this happens at not one airport but the thousand airports across the country. So there are either undreds of thousands of people involved in your consipracy or
everyone is a complete idiot.
 Quoting: F=ma


You have never heard of compartmentalization. . . .one can stovepipe and isolate activities of a covert nature to where the right hand does not what the left hand is doing. . .

And people could never be coerced into doing something shady with a bribe or fear of retribution. . . . or peer pressure. . . . Area 51, skunk works, mafia, secret fraternal societies. . . Need I go on. . . .

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POLL:  I'm a Chemtrail Debunker/Detractor  . . . I would agree CHEMTRAILs exist if
1) CHEMTRAILs exist if . . .no way, never possible   39.5% (81)
7) More than one of the above. . . .   25.9% (53)
4) CHEMTRAILs exist if . . . In situ testing by MIT confirmed it   10.2% (21)
5) CHEMTRAILs exist if. . . . Several Aircrews admitted under Oath   10.2% (21)
8) None of these answers . . . I will Post my answer below   9.3% (19)
6) CHEMTRAILs exist if. . . . Raytheon Corp. Published Prospectus including profits from Chemtrail OPS   2.0% (4)
2) CHEMTRAILs exist if . . The President said they existed   1.5% (3)
3) CHEMTRAILs exist if . .  Fox, CBS, ABC, CNN, NBC say they exist   1.5% (3)
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Construct a better one and prove me wrong. . . .
 Quoting: George B


A poll will prove nothing except about the few people who choose to participate.
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Seems quite a few have chosen to participate . . . In fact, I think there has been more and quicker participation to this poll than any I have had in the past. . . . GO FIGURE. . . coffee4
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