I'm a Chemtrail Debunker/Detractor  . . . I would agree CHEMTRAILs exist if . . . Poll

Sure...

That's sort of what I have been noticing too. Maybe that is why he 'refuses' to ban Noble. He would be banning himself.

No, he knows that when I don't comment on his chemtard threads...the threads stop getting traffic.

Just like all the chemtard threads I don't comment on die...or the ones that I have commented on..and then stopped...also failed.

By the way...George isn't "acting"...He IS a dumb chemtard...

What exactly to you expect to "get done" on these retarded chemtard threads anyway? Idiots...make claims...other idiots agree...intelligent people then come and point out that chemtards are ignorant...chemtards whine about "shills"... That is ALL every single chemtard thread EVER made is all about.

Nothing gets done...because there is nothing that can be done...because chemtrails are an urban legend that morons fall for.

I think very convincing evidence exists to support the theory of CHEMTRAILs. . . You don't that is obvious. . . I have no doubt if you took a random group of people who knew nothing of CHEMTRAILs and we both presented our evidence. . . The majority would think CHEMTRAILs exist. . . .

Yeah, becauase there are a LOT of stupid people who jump to conclusions based on circumstantial bullshit. That DOESN'T mean they should...and that doesn't mean they are correct.

Remember...I don't doubt that substances are, from time to time...in some areas...around the world... deposited in the sky...for whatever reason. That's NOT what "chemtrails" are about! Even the man who INVENTED the term...Will Thomas...is referring to the trails in the sky...which are CONTRAILS!

But, the average person is CLUELESS about engines, efficiency, air saturation, atmospheric layers, thermals...and thousands of other concepts that explain the trails in the sky. Just because a majority of people have NEVER studied these subjects...doesn't mean they are "correct" about "chemtrails" when they jump on this particular conspiracy/stupidity bandwagon!

I'm surprised that a supposed man of science would even TRY to suggest that if the majority believe something..it must be true. That goes against what science is all about! It's disgusting! You either lost your mind after you earned science degrees...or you never earned them to begin with...because you certainly don't understand that a hypothesis is not proven with "majority rule"....or assumption...or history!

You need physical evidence...not belief...

And AGAIN, I'm referring to the claim that the long white trails are anything more than contrails! I'm not talking about cloud seeding...agent orange...flying unicorn farts...or whatever it is that people associate with the term "chemtrails". I'm SPECIFICALLY referring to long white trails...and the claim that the trails persist BECAUSE of their chemical content!

Who says the average person is not capable. . . When the average person is presented with scientifically valid information and given the chance to weigh the evidence. . . They are quite capable of making up their own mind. . . You are so arrogant that you think the average person is incapable of complex analysis. . . .that is the undemocratic concept of the philosopher king syndrome. . . .the very argument that our founding fathers fought for decades after the founding of the USA . . . Jeffersonian Democracy versus the Rule of the Learned Elite . . .this is not a popularity contest, it is a test of common sense and intuitive understanding of one's environment. . . .I think people are much more
capable than you . . . GO FIGURE. . . .

But the "average" person isn't capable of discerning ignorant nonsense from paranoid fantasy.

They see the trails in the sky...google "trails in the sky" and accept what they find as fact...based on emotion.

It's not arrogance! It's proven all over the world! There IS NO EVIDENCE that the trails are anything more than contrails...there is no evidence that any "aluminum or barium' is being "sprayed" at altitude...but it seems that anyone who reads a story about "chemtrails" after googling the term...falls for the urban legend! THAT is evidence that the average person is an absolute DOLT when it comes to aviation...and VERY SIMPLE atmospheric science. The science that explains that air saturation and cold temperatures combined with water vapor created through hydrocarbon combustion are responsible for the trails in ALL of the chemtard videos...There is no evidence to support any other theories.

You can whine all you want about my statements...but chemtards prove me right with EVERY stupid post they make about "chemtrails".

Intuition and "common sense" told early man the Earth was the center of the universe, it was flat, and the sun revolved around it.

This isn't about elitism...(give me a fucking break!) This is about speculation and paranoid fantasy. There is no evidence that anyone is intentionally spraying any chemicals into the air through these trails....

Remember George, I'm referring to the long white visible trails in the sky....not your proprietary, retarded definitions you keep insisting people adopt.

Oops!

"But the "average" person isn't capable of discerning ignorant nonsense from paranoid fantasy. "

Should have read:

"But the "average" person isn't capable of discerning ignorant nonsense and paranoid fantasy from fact."

I made a mistake..

See how easy it is to admit and correct mistakes?!

Chemtards are not only stupid...they will NEVER admit they have made mistakes...NEVER!

I believe in Chem-trails... that's why I am a gonna Green-Pin your thread OP.

Do you think anybody actually believes they are contrails? Seriously? Methinks you are deluded.

AAHHH OP! I just accidentally suggested an unpin to your thread when I thought I was suggesting a pin. Sorry, don't know how to undo it.

Agreed.

Here's an idea. Walk outside around 1:00pm and look up in the sky. Tell us what you see. Explain what those weird looking things are with all the bumps, the ones coming out of those high altitude, white, unmarked airplanes. Then report back.

Agree. Several of the possible answers add up to that one thing: Real evidence.

Noble, your insistence that people look at the sky and make absurd conclusions is not supported. . . . they reason that unidentified aircraft are capable of flying in the airspace over them and laying down aerosols without their ability to know or analyze what is in the aerosols. . . .

They do not trust the authorities who have made a habit of disinformation, misinformation, and outright lies. . . .

They read and hear instances where unexplainable things appear to come from the sky . . .

They feel their health and the health of their loved ones is under assault by all manner of threats. . . .

They know similar things have happened in the past and then were covered up for decades. . . .

They are told that too many people live in the world and some one wants that to change

They are told the earth is under threat of global warming and it is their fault . . .

They are told the Solar Maximum is coming and their energy grid may well fail. . . .

Why wouldn't they suspect the authorities or TPTB are engaging in some secret program to do something without their knowledge or consent . . .

They are not satisfied with your explanation that the persistent trails they see are simply jet exhaust and harmless. . . .GO FIGURE. . . .

You will notice of the list of evidence. . . only one is scientific analysis. . . In situ sample analysis. . . And you have by your voting have indicated that it is not adequate to convince you CHEMTRAILs exist. . . You require some type of public announcement by authorities or verification from other sources to be convinced. . . .Interesting. . . .

POLL:  I'm a Chemtrail Debunker/Detractor  . . . I would agree CHEMTRAILs exist if
1) CHEMTRAILs exist if . . .no way, never possible   43.1% (31)
7) More than one of the above. . . .   22.2% (16)
4) CHEMTRAILs exist if . . . In situ testing by MIT confirmed it   13.9% (10)
5) CHEMTRAILs exist if. . . . Several Aircrews admitted under Oath   9.7% (7)
8) None of these answers . . . I will Post my answer below   5.6% (4)
6) CHEMTRAILs exist if. . . . Raytheon Corp. Published Prospectus including profits from Chemtrail OPS   2.8% (2)
2) CHEMTRAILs exist if . . The President said they existed   1.4% (1)
3) CHEMTRAILs exist if . .  Fox, CBS, ABC, CNN, NBC say they exist   1.4% (1)
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Last Edited by George B on 11/14/2011 07:38 AM

There seems to be a lot of speculation and anecdotal accounts surrounding the chemtrail topic.

I'm not a chemtrail 'debunker', nor do I agree at this point.

What would lead me to agree with chemtrails is evidence beyond reasonable doubt.

I'm wondering if anyone can point me in the direction of a thread on GLP, or elsewhere, where someone who firmly agrees with the chemtrail conspiracy has offered all the evidence they feel supports the claim that chemicals are being consciously sprayed to manipulate our atmosphere, where I can offer a completely objective analysis.

my favorite favorite thing about the chemtrail argument is how horrible the "shills" are at communicating the scientific facts about "contrails" and altitude, and pressure, and temperature, and blah blah, when it is clear to any person who remains true to their self:

A. contrails behave like contrails. whatever shit we're seeing doesn't behave like contrails. duh. if they WERE normal contrails this wouldn't be a fucking issue in the first place.

B. lest i remind everyone that "science" is a continually changing religion that is proven wrong further & further, day by day. in FACT, that's how science EVOLVES. the only way science gets ANYWHERE is the DISCOVERY that yesterday's science was farts.

so now please i beg

tell me about your education. tell me about how much it cost!. do you know any pilots? my dad is a pilot. he thinks chemtards are full of it.

& if you guys knew my father...you'd become a chemtard too.

yes please please i beg

tell me about your all powerful science, & how it makes everything possible, from our laptops to air travel to roombas. tell me. tell me about how SCIENCE makes things possible, instead of possibility. instead of possibility itself.

what i love most about scientards is their disgusting faith.
it reminds me of religiontards and makes me want to puke.

i will repeat myself: disgusting faith.

you shills have no fucking scope.

embarrassing. like my father :)

love.

Good morning Guy and Inerrancia. . . .my friendly skeptics. . . You insist you need scientific evidence . . . So many things were suspected to exist throughout history but were only proven to exist until there were tools and procedures built for their confirmation. . . .so many things were misidentified or the understanding of them evolved over time. . . .

Some things related to CHEMTRAILs do exist. . . . Cloud seeding, aerial spraying of insecticide and other substances, chaff, agent orange, historical well documented things like zinc cadmium sulfide, not to mention persistent trails from high efficiency jet engines. . . .so for me the school is still out. . . .scientists have been suggesting for decades the need for geo-engineering. . . .who is to say some authority has not taken it on themselves to do just that . . injecting aerosols at altitude. . . .

A) Yes, they behave exactly like contrails... Show me any trails that doesn't/hasn't. I have yet to see any such thing. YOUR ignorance about contrails is showing...again. It's only an issue because you chemtards assume you understand contrails...and you just don't! Not even close!

B)Right, science changes when new evidence is introduced that shows the old beliefs to be inaccurate. That has yet to happen with "chemtrails"...sorry! What you people present in these forums/videos is NOT evidence that anything is going on with these trails

Your father is right...chemtards are full of it.

If you have anything to add to the discussion that changes the facts about contrails...present it..

So far, everything that chemtards have "assumed" about contrails has simply shown their ignorance about air saturation...their own atmosphere...and aviation in general. It's PATHETIC that you people "believe" you can learn these subjects through a few google searches.

Good morning Guy and Inerrancia. . . .my friendly skeptics. . . You insist you need scientific evidence . . . So many things were suspected to exist throughout history but were only proven to exist until there were tools and procedures built for their confirmation. . .blah blah blah...

Yet, YOU don't have any such thing...you have "belief"...nothing more...and you accept it as fact.

Sorry, chaff has NOTHING to do with the trails in the sky.

YOU are ignorant about chaff. Thanks for proving that.

Also, show me that there is a appreciable level left in the atmosphere after chaff is deployed...and dissipates.

a few pathetic google searches?????

so, let me get this straight. you're telling me contrails have ALWAYS sat up in the sky, all day, getting bigger & bigger. lookin' ever nasty by the second.

contrails have always behaved this way? you are a laugh riot my friend.

if you know so much precious science you can start running your mouth any fucking time now i'm waiting.

It doesn't exist

Most things even in the hard sciences require a certain element of faith. . . The belief that a scientist has honesty and integrity and will not falsify their data, a faith in the measuring equipment and procedures used to collect data. . . .

I have faith in the fact that science cannot verify the non existence of CHEMTRAILs. . . If there is a program ongoing, the atmosphere is so dynamic and enormous that a few very clever, covert minded people with unlimited resources can conduct such a program without leaving scientifically provable evidence. . . .

Yes, as long as the air is ice supersaturated...that will happen every time! EVERY SINGLE TIME!

Newer engine technology is able to push the saturation level past the supersaturation point much easier than older, less efficient engines. (more efficiency = more complete hydrocarbon combustion = more moisture deposited in the air).


Now, that isn't to say the older engines weren't able to leave contrails..the air just had to be more saturated to begin with.

Yes, contrails have always behaved the way BASIC and SIMPLE science has told us they would...given the specific conditions.

YOU are a laugh riot...you have no idea how stupid you are.

I know more about this science than you will ever know...apparently. Thanks for proving the point of the post you replied to. I appreciate it.

Your refusal to admit that you may not know as much about this subject as you pretend to...is hilarious. Thanks for the laughs.

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Well that was a 10 second google.
Seems I have some more homework.
See ya in the funny pages shills.... whoever you may be.