I'm a Chemtrail Debunker/Detractor  . . . I would agree CHEMTRAILs exist if . . . Poll

Thanks Noble! You've pointed out EXACTLY the major weakness in my analogy.
Why would anyone bother to shill a spirit/ghost thread? There'd be no point, even the freebie activist shills wouldn't bother, as it doesn't further their goals at all.
Chemtrails however, if they exist, would represent a major government conspiracy.
It would be perfectly natural and even to be expected that a hardcore group of dedicated shills would show up on chemtrail threads (if there was any validity to them). So dedicated in fact that their appearance on such threads would probably become something of a running joke.
Thanks again for so elegantly pointing out the flaws in my logic.

Last Edited by Zero Point on 11/13/2011 01:02 AM

Your sarcasm is appreciated...but changes nothing. It's not about furthering "goals"...it's about truth...and the spread of lies because of sheer ignorance. I know you are incapable of seeing it my way.....because you are ignorant about aviation and science. There are no "shills". No one needs to pay anyone to post the facts about the trails in the sky, as they have been understood for over 80 years. YOUR ignorance of those facts doesn't make the trails in the sky "chemtrails".

Nobody has to pay anyone to post the truth in the face of ignorance...and chemtards couldn't be more ignorant if they wanted to be.

But, go ahead..."believe" I'm a "shill"... It just adds to the overall entertainment value. You people are seriously stupid...AND seriously paranoid...and you are unable to see any evidence of those facts...and that's funny!

If you can't understand HOW that would be funny to someone who is just trying to dispel ignorant rumor...without being associated with ANY covert group...I feel sorry for you...and THAT adds even more comedic value!


It's hilarious irony that I'm probably one of the most hated people on this site...and all I want to do is ask people to be honest with themselves...learn about aviation and science...and seek help for their paranoid delusions.

I'm the good guy! In 30-50 years...when it's STILL obvious that chemtards are wrong...I hope they are able to look back and remember how I tried to help them understand that they are wasting their lives worrying about an urban legend.

But, that's the key...isn't it...this site is a conspiracy site...and people here are prone to such beliefs. If it's not "chemtrails" in the future...it will be some other worry...based on more ignorance...it's an endless cycle for these (you) people. You like bitching about things you only "believe" you understand.

Why do you say 30 to 50 years Noble. . . ?

It's just a number I chose...why..do you "believe" it has some sort of significance...based on your powers of paranoia?

Your response is appreciated, and yet you fail to address the point of my post.
The point is that this thread is quite obviously a shill baiting thread.
You took the bait.
What does that make you?

Your claim that it's a "shill baiting thread" is stupid. It's a thread about the trails in the sky posted by a ignorant loser. I'm a detractor/debunker. Not a "shill".

That fact that you can't understand that...makes YOU...stupid.

I'm no more a "shill", for anyone, than those who believe this silly nonsense are shills for Will Thomas...or G Edward Griffin...Or other losers trying to sell books/videos/fear...

I think you failed to read the OP. I'd actually be interested to know your response to the poll.
As an author of shill baiting threads, I'll give you a little tip.
THIS IS A SHILL BAITING THREAD.
Dumbass.... jeez....

Here you go Noble, just to refresh your memory mate.
If this ain't a shill bait, I've never fished.

I read the OP just fine.

I voted:

7) More than one of the above. . . .

It's a "chemtrail" thread...and if you bait people...and then call the people who reply "shills" for replying, that's your problem.

Sounds quite insane.

I'm just a person educated in Aviation and Atmospheric science who believes people are being unfairly accused of wrongdoing by stupid losers...

If that's what a "shill" is, in your pathetic mind...so be it!

Nope...not seeing it..

Sorry, but it's your opinion...

Opinions are like assholes...some stink worse than others...

My objective was to challenge the debunkers/detractors to come clean. . . Put up or shut up. . . .seems they have clearly spoken, at least 60% won't accept any evidence . . . No matter how solid the evidence that CHEMTRAILs exist. . . . At least Noble stated he would accept some evidence. . .

What these 60% are is a good question? I don't know if it is evidence any are shills but it is evidence they are completely closed minded IMO . . .

Yes, I was trying to bait debunkers/detractors into participating in the Poll. . . .

Dont ever trust GB. Hes another shill just acting as a dumb cemtrailer. The other half of the noble team. If you go back and check all these stupid threads you will see that where one goes the other will follow. Nothing ever gets done in these threads because these two always show up together and start circle jerking.

Like anything ever "gets done" in ANY chemtard thread!

Well, except for ignorant complaining.

Sorry if I interrupt you circle-jerk of stupidity...

Just like you won't accept the fact that the trails in the sky are CONTRAILS...and shouldn't be renamed by paranoid idiots.

Yes, contrails can cause problems...but no more so than the billions of other sources of chemical releases/pollution.

There is no "solid evidence" that chemtrails exist. It's paranoid ignorance.

If you think you can start a Chemtrail Thread on GLP without Noble showing up (unless you bane him) try it and see. . . . be my guest . . . .LoL

So what have you accomplished regarding the debate. . . ? Have your efforts resulted in any new information . . .? Did you give a place for people to vote over 2,000 times for their position on CHEMTRAILs. . . .by the way, over 70% of the votes indicate GLPers believe they exist. . .

Sure there is opposition. . . .Noble is not the only one . . . SnakeAirlines, The Guy, Virga, Inerrancia, and many others have challenged Chemtrail advocates. . . .however, Noble is the most consistent, aggressive and obsessed . . . with his opposition. . . Where else would he go to voice his opposition????? If you believed the way he did where would you go?

Your poll is written in a heavily biased mannor.
That's all I needed to see.

Which Poll are you referring to and how would you change it?

An increase in particles high in the Earth's atmosphere has offset some recent climate warming, the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration in Boulder said today.

"Since the year 2000, stratospheric aerosols (the particles) have caused a slower rate of climate warming than we would have seen without them," said John Daniel, a physicist at the NOAA Earth System Research Laboratory in Boulder and co-author of the new study.

The study found that in the stratosphere, miles above the Earth's surface, small, airborne particles reflect sunlight back into space, which leads to a cooling influence on the ground.

The study found a definite increase in stratospheric aerosol - or particles - since 2000.

"Stratospheric aerosol increased surprisingly rapidly in that time, almost doubling during the decade," said Daniel. "The increase in aerosols since 2000 implies a cooling effect of about 0.1 watts per square meter - enough to offset some of the 0.28 watts per square meter warming effect from the carbon dioxide increase during the same period."

Ryan Neely, of the University of Colorado and the Cooperative Institute for Research in Environmental Sciences, said the reason for the 10-year increase in the particles is not fully understood.

Neely, who is the co-author of the study, said the likely sources are smaller volcanic eruptions and/or human activity. Daniel and his colleagues used a climate model to determine how the changes in particles could affect global climate change.

They found that models miss an important cooling factor if they don't account for the influence of stratospheric aerosol, or don't include recent changes in the stratospheric aerosol levels.

The study concluded that future global temperatures will depend on stratospheric aerosol.

The warming from greenhouse gases and aerosols calculated for the coming decade can vary by a factor or two.

If stratospheric aerosol levels continue to rise, temperatures will not rise as quickly as they would otherwise, the study concluded. However, if the particles decrease, temperatures would increase faster.

"The 'background' stratospheric aerosols are more of a player then we expected," said Daniel. "The last decade has shown us that it doesn't take an extremely high volcanic eruption for these aerosols to be important to the climate."

What if the aerosols injected had considerable help from active programs dedicated to increasing particulates . . . i.e. Chemtrailing efforts?????? . . . .Please give us your source and cite/site of the above information. . . .Thanks!!!

there's no "what if" about it IMO. of course they're spraying like hell since at least 1997.

and the sourse ain't allowed here.

copyright.

George typically is a positive contributor on other chemtrail threads, however his shill tolerance is off the chart.
I saw the first of one of his post deletions only last night!

Thanks for the info. . . .

  [link to www.noaanews.noaa.gov]
 
NOAA study: Increase in particles high in Earth’s atmosphere has offset some recent climate warming
July 21, 2011

Hearing Information and attacks on our positions, theories and ideas from our opponents make us better. . .their challenges make our arguments better and harder to debunk. . . .

Hard-skinned old timer(chemtards) might agree with you George. But without thread moderation newbie observers quickly get intimidated off a thread by the personal and abusive shill attacks that we're immune to. It's no way to promote new chemtrail info gathering.

I will chew on that . . . .

Ummm, just saying, no one's belief or disbelief will change REALITY. What's being done is being done.

If anyone were to sample the air at altitude...and find any appreciable amounts of anything that shouldn't be there (aluminum and barium, for instance)...I'd accept that "chemtrails" are real (of course, there would be another name for it..."chemtrails" is a made-up paranoid term. . But looking up and making assumptions and accepting stupid shit found on the Internet as fact....just because one is ignorant...is foolish. THAT is a fact!

The trails in the sky...and in all the chemtard videos are contrails until proven otherwise.

Or, what's not being done is not being done.

And you don't think that referring to people who disagree with you as "shills" is rude and abusive?!

Yeah, I guess everyone should do what you do...ban people with a difference of opinion right away..that way they won't cloud your silly thread with facts...or debate.

YOU are a douche...