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***RED ALERT*** The bond markets all throughout Europe are STARTING TO COLLAPSE!!!

 
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***RED ALERT*** The bond markets all throughout Europe are STARTING TO COLLAPSE!!!
Note: Focusing on the 10 bond markets for the three countries below. Keep in mind, a 10 basis pt move is big for these bond markets.

FRANCE:

France Govt Oats Btan 10 Yr Oat (GFRN10:IND)

Yield up 26 basis pts in one day

[link to www.bloomberg.com]

Italy:

Italy Govt Bonds 10 Year Gross Yield (GBTPGR10:IND)

Yield up 37 basis pts; crosses the crucial 7 percent mark

[link to www.bloomberg.com]

Spain:

SPANISH GOVERNMENT GENERIC BONDS - 10 YR NOTE (GSPG10YR:IND)

Yield up 23 basis pts today

[link to www.bloomberg.com]

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France downgrade coming soon! Maybe on the 24th
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And this for Greece:

Greek conservatives set themselves on a collision course with the European Commission on Tuesday, refusing its request to sign a pledge to meet the terms of a bailout designed to save the country from bankruptcy and safeguard the euro zone.


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What exactly does this mean will happen?
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What exactly does this mean will happen?
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DOOM!
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"All throughout" is redundant.
I'm tired of waiting, somebody push the damn button already!

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Do I smell French fries and bacon?

(France and PIIGS burning, ha, ha, ha)
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Would love some commentary by someone qualified to help me understand better what this might mean. Thanks for posting!!
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when bonds go up...interest rates follow
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Now you are fully seeing the NWO happening before your eyes. How? Greece and Italy are now directly run by the banking cartel. Go look up what these two guys used to do before becoming the leaders of these two countries. What you will see next is a bond haircut for Spain,France etc. These countries will of course agree which will again stop the CDS's from kicking in. (CDS is the insurance one buys on a bond in case of default.) This in turn will bring more austerity where you will see the so-called leaders of these countries step down and being replaced by bankers. I guess the elite are tired of pouring money into the puppet leaders they set up to do their bidding. I guess its a nuasance to always trying to keep them in line. Now the elite are putting their people directly into power.
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Now you are fully seeing the NWO happening before your eyes. How? Greece and Italy are now directly run by the banking cartel. Go look up what these two guys used to do before becoming the leaders of these two countries. What you will see next is a bond haircut for Spain,France etc. These countries will of course agree which will again stop the CDS's from kicking in. (CDS is the insurance one buys on a bond in case of default.) This in turn will bring more austerity where you will see the so-called leaders of these countries step down and being replaced by bankers. I guess the elite are tired of pouring money into the puppet leaders they set up to do their bidding. I guess its a nuasance to always trying to keep them in line. Now the elite are putting their people directly into power.
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If the interest rate on their bonds goes up to high (usually above 6 to 7%) the govt. won't or can't borrow any money because it is too damn expensive, basically resulting instant default of the nation or massive cuts in spending (DOOM)
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there are going to be a lot of bodies found in the doorway once the smoke clears
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Re: ***RED ALERT*** The bond markets all throughout Europe are STARTING TO COLLAPSE!!!
Now you are fully seeing the NWO happening before your eyes. How? Greece and Italy are now directly run by the banking cartel. Go look up what these two guys used to do before becoming the leaders of these two countries. What you will see next is a bond haircut for Spain,France etc. These countries will of course agree which will again stop the CDS's from kicking in. (CDS is the insurance one buys on a bond in case of default.) This in turn will bring more austerity where you will see the so-called leaders of these countries step down and being replaced by bankers. I guess the elite are tired of pouring money into the puppet leaders they set up to do their bidding. I guess its a nuasance to always trying to keep them in line. Now the elite are putting their people directly into power.
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agreed but the ultimate purpose is to cull the Gold and sell it into the market to kill the only competition to the Euro and the Dollar.

Gold
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Now you are fully seeing the NWO happening before your eyes. How? Greece and Italy are now directly run by the banking cartel. Go look up what these two guys used to do before becoming the leaders of these two countries. What you will see next is a bond haircut for Spain,France etc. These countries will of course agree which will again stop the CDS's from kicking in. (CDS is the insurance one buys on a bond in case of default.) This in turn will bring more austerity where you will see the so-called leaders of these countries step down and being replaced by bankers. I guess the elite are tired of pouring money into the puppet leaders they set up to do their bidding. I guess its a nuasance to always trying to keep them in line. Now the elite are putting their people directly into power.
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With all my heart, I do not want to believe this is where we are headed but I just can't shake the feelings that you are absolutely correct.
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Re: ***RED ALERT*** The bond markets all throughout Europe are STARTING TO COLLAPSE!!!
European Debt Yields II: Reloaded.

[link to blogs.wsj.com]


Remember yesterday when Jonathan wrote about how stock prices were snoring hard while the credit market threw a screaming panic fit two feet away from the stock market’s ear? Well, that’s happening again.

Bond yields in Europe are all rising this morning, widening sharply against safe German bunds, while US stocks are down just a bit.
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Re: ***RED ALERT*** The bond markets all throughout Europe are STARTING TO COLLAPSE!!!
Note: Focusing on the 10 bond markets for the three countries below. Keep in mind, a 10 basis pt move is big for these bond markets.

FRANCE:

France Govt Oats Btan 10 Yr Oat (GFRN10:IND)

Yield up 26 basis pts in one day

[link to www.bloomberg.com]

Italy:

Italy Govt Bonds 10 Year Gross Yield (GBTPGR10:IND)

Yield up 37 basis pts; crosses the crucial 7 percent mark

[link to www.bloomberg.com]

Spain:

SPANISH GOVERNMENT GENERIC BONDS - 10 YR NOTE (GSPG10YR:IND)

Yield up 23 basis pts today

[link to www.bloomberg.com]
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Those aren't big moves. You do know what a basis point is, don't you?
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Blazar is coming!!!!!!
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What exactly does this mean will happen?
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France downgrade coming soon! Maybe on the 24th
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Germany will follow. They have the highest debts because they pay for everything and the economy is going down.
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this is not good news.

Thread deserves a PIN.
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this is not good news.

Thread deserves a PIN.
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For what? More fail?

They've been preaching doom for months, and yet nothing major happens.

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more like pink alert
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Now you are fully seeing the NWO happening before your eyes. How? Greece and Italy are now directly run by the banking cartel. Go look up what these two guys used to do before becoming the leaders of these two countries. What you will see next is a bond haircut for Spain,France etc. These countries will of course agree which will again stop the CDS's from kicking in. (CDS is the insurance one buys on a bond in case of default.) This in turn will bring more austerity where you will see the so-called leaders of these countries step down and being replaced by bankers. I guess the elite are tired of pouring money into the puppet leaders they set up to do their bidding. I guess its a nuasance to always trying to keep them in line. Now the elite are putting their people directly into power.
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agreed but the ultimate purpose is to cull the Gold and sell it into the market to kill the only competition to the Euro and the Dollar.

Gold
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Very good point my friend. Just recently I read where the EU countries want Germany to put up their gold in order to assist with the continued bailouts. Merkel said no but the writing is on the wall that this will be the last bullet in the gun to try and fight off collapse. But it will be done purposely. Germany too will fall into the hands of the greedy bankers.
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and yet strangly enough, the dow is up 64 points right now... Oh, there must be some sort of mighty corruption happening on wall street, this makes no sense.
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Now you are fully seeing the NWO happening before your eyes. How? Greece and Italy are now directly run by the banking cartel. Go look up what these two guys used to do before becoming the leaders of these two countries. What you will see next is a bond haircut for Spain,France etc. These countries will of course agree which will again stop the CDS's from kicking in. (CDS is the insurance one buys on a bond in case of default.) This in turn will bring more austerity where you will see the so-called leaders of these countries step down and being replaced by bankers. I guess the elite are tired of pouring money into the puppet leaders they set up to do their bidding. I guess its a nuasance to always trying to keep them in line. Now the elite are putting their people directly into power.
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Re: ***RED ALERT*** The bond markets all throughout Europe are STARTING TO COLLAPSE!!!
when bonds go up...interest rates follow
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Not this time.....
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Re: ***RED ALERT*** The bond markets all throughout Europe are STARTING TO COLLAPSE!!!
when bonds go up...interest rates follow
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Huh? Do you mean bond prices or bond yields?

The OP is noting the rise in bond YIELDS....
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when bonds go up...interest rates follow
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Huh? Do you mean bond prices or bond yields?

The OP is noting the rise in bond YIELDS....
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Bond yields is associated with how much it will cost a country to borrow more money. E.g. The more the bond yield climbs on the Italian bonds...The more money it will cost Italy to borrow more money. Pretty ludicrous.
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Re: ***RED ALERT*** The bond markets all throughout Europe are STARTING TO COLLAPSE!!!
Banks will not raise interest rates on each other. They are all in the same boat.





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