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*IF* TSHTF, many who have "prepared" will not survive

 
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10/16/2005 03:26 PM
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*IF* TSHTF, many who have "prepared" will not survive
I just had a lightbulb moment.

If the shit hits the fan, many of those who have prepared before hand, stocked up with supplies, etc, will not survive.

Why?

Because, say for instance it is a major earthquake that happens, their supplies/stock/preparations will go down with them.

And they will not have the knowledge, mentality or guts to survive without it.

They put their faith in STUFF, not in common sense, or in their own abilities.

Most European and American people are too used to HAVE STUFF. The moment you talk about surviving anything, they talk about how much STUFF they have to collect around them, in order to survive.

There need to be a change in mindset.

What KNOWLEDGE do I need to survive?
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12/08/2005 10:19 AM
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Good point, OP. Let´s hope TS*never*HTF and everything will be honkey dorey.
ne1
12/08/2005 10:19 AM
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Yeah, hope and keep an "umbrella" handy!
NawtyBits*nli
12/08/2005 10:19 AM
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If one was in to "preparedness" and not stuff, they would have the knowledge to survive without that stuff. The stuff is a means to make things easier, not the end-all-be-all. One needs to know how to fish, hunt, make snares, dress wild game, hone edges, basic first aid, build a solar still, find edible flowers and plants, garden, use firearms...ect....Preparedeness is NOT just stuff!!

nawty
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12/08/2005 10:19 AM
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Hey Nawty!

Here, we agree at least!

Dang, I have to go to bed, else I would have picked an argument with you somewhere else.

Goodnight!


grouphug
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12/08/2005 10:19 AM
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Ok since your "lightbulb" is pumping up past 9 1/2 watts these days what is you plan?

If you ain´t got the ´stuff´ to go with it information & knowlege is worthless.
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12/08/2005 10:19 AM
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Darn, I must have missed the listing for that MacGuyver class. Any teachers?
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12/08/2005 10:19 AM
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4816

You´re livin in la-la land.
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12/08/2005 10:19 AM
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THe knowledge of how to make "The Stuff" with what you can find is not worthless.
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12/08/2005 10:19 AM
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1551

I hope you don´t plan on finding >my< stuff.
Allen1
12/08/2005 10:19 AM
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The "Soul Survivers" are the only ones who are truly prepared for anything. Has little to do with the needs of the body but everything to do with awareness of the spirit.
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12/08/2005 10:19 AM
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Good point, here in Colorado many hikers in the mountains go missing. The other week this guy was missing, and a big search was going on for him. So naturally Fox news was talking about steps you can take to help in cases like this. They recommended 24 hours worth of non-perishable foods with you while hiking, a rain coat and some other crap. But this guy was missing for 7 days! What good is 24 hours worth of food going to do when he´s been gone for 7 days.

They were talking about all sorts of other crap and survival skills, and i´m just thinking "have you ever been stranded, or needed to survive? what makes you know what you would need."
ne1
12/08/2005 10:19 AM
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Hey! Play with your own stuff! poop
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12/08/2005 10:19 AM
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I feel you are correct in saying that knowledge
and practical survival skills are most important.

However, I would also note that those who have
already stocked thier bunkers with "stuff".
Are generally those who already have the requisite knowledge to use it and are far better off than someone with knowledge and no "stuff".
At least they will have a good idea of where
thier "stuff is and how to get to it. Instead of
having to scavage for it.

*See the other thread about looting.*
Harsh Reality
12/08/2005 10:19 AM
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The folks in NOLA found that out didn´t they?

Preps can be flooded or burnt down or blown across the landscape in a tornado and thus do you no good

Everyone is a single disaster away from homeless
InquiringMind
12/08/2005 10:19 AM
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Been buying used books and reading them! My grown children laugh, my husband does not want to hear about it! I have learned a lot about water, first and foremost. Too bad, some of the people in NOLA did not have any basic survival skills. This has taught me a lot also, just watching it unfold in the news. Those people could not help themselves, wanted someone else to do it for them! I would turn off that tv, quit eating enough food for three and four people and gain some good basic survival skills. It does not cost much, just have to be willing to put some time into it and learn something! Americans are just to fat and lazy!
bohica
12/08/2005 10:19 AM
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George carlin has a place for his "stuff".
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12/08/2005 10:19 AM
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yes, self sufficiency is the answer, not stocking up goods

there are plenty of sites on line to help you live without modern comforts

it´s good to study now
and then you won´t panic
if your modern comforts vanish

solar stills to produce clean drinking water are easy to build, we need the most water when it´s hot and sunny

[link to www.motherearthnews.com]

that is just one site which has plans for building your own solar still, they should be using these in africa and the middle east instead of relying on drilling for water


you can also learn to filter water and purify it for drinking
finding a natural spring is your best bet though
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12/08/2005 10:19 AM
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Didn´t Carlin end up in the Alaskan tuntra with nothing but a toothbrush?
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12/08/2005 10:19 AM
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Does it really matter so much? We´re all going to die at some point, if TSHTF (overused phrase..) then some die sooner, the end result is still the same and not so bad for those of us looking forward to an afterlife.
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12/08/2005 10:19 AM
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my ancestors, my great grandfather in fact
came to this country with nothing
but a canoe and basic supplies
within his lifetime, he was farming and living self sufficiently
it´s in our blood
this all happened recently
we are not as helpless as we think we are
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12/08/2005 10:19 AM
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>> been reading used books...

Getting pretty exotic aren´t we?
Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:19 AM
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Question is.... who would want to survive in the aftermath?
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12/08/2005 10:19 AM
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there are some great books written to help you survive in the wilderness
those are skills you need to learn

when modern comforts are gone
cities will be hellholes

i don´t think anyone wants to live in a concrete jungle without power and running water
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12/08/2005 10:19 AM
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many of us believe in the millenium of peace when Jesus returns
the earth will be restored
and we can be a part of that

don´t give up
it´s always darkest just before the dawn
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12/08/2005 10:19 AM
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here´s a great article everyone can relate to, it´s not just for survival nuts:

Outdoor Safety & Survival
It´s More Than Gear in a Can

Outdoor safety isn´t so much a game of survival as it is an exercise in preparation. Knowing your limits, understanding your environment, and preparing the right equipment and knowledge to aid you during your outing is crucial. Knowledge and equipment must go hand in hand. It is useless to build an arsenal of kits and gadgets and not have the knowledge to be able to use them.

According to John Street, president of Woods Walker, Inc. in Florida and an outdoor expert who for the last 31 years has been involved in teaching various aspects of outdoor awareness and survival, working with outdoor educators, classroom teachers, and hunter education instructors, "Outdoors people need to understand that with today´s equipment and the advanced techniques of search and rescue, most emergencies involve only hours and not days or weeks. With basic equipment and an understanding of how to use it, most situations should end up happily."

Most outdoors people don´t know how to put together an emergency kit, however, and end up heading to the store or thumbing through a catalogue to find a prevalence of "canned" survival kits packaged in plastic boxes, metal cans, sheath knives and more.

Are these "survival in a can" gimmicks, or are the products legitimate safety items that should be purchased and promoted for what they are, basic packages that may save a life if the need ever arose?

"The first thing an experienced outdoor professional would say is, ´I would hate to have to depend upon this´," says Street, "but the other side of the issue takes into account the beginner. The purpose these kits serve is that they may be better than nothing and, if anything, with the proper education, will serve as a springboard to help assemble a more complete and appropriate kit that any outdoors person should carry with them."

What does an outdoors person need to consider when assembling their own kit? Patrick McHugh, vice president of MPI Outdoor Safety Products advocates learning five outdoor survival skills, understanding the seven enemies to personal safety, and determining which of the five basic climates you may encounter.

According to McHugh, the five skills are first aid, signalling, fire building, obtaining food/water, shelter. Loneliness, fear, thirst, fatigue, pain, hunger, temperature make up the seven enemies and temperature, snow, ice, tropical and desert round out the climates. McHugh asserts that anyone can put together an effective personal outdoor safety kit with nothing more than a rudimentary working knowledge of his ´5-7-5 will help you stay alive´ plan.

Street is quick to point out that even without adequate training, a little common sense goes a long way, providing the individual in trouble has followed a few universal preparation guidelines.

"Mother nature is not forgiving, she does not revise her plan because poor John Q public is inadequately prepared. Smart outdoors people always carry some basic emergency equipment with them," says Street. "The essentials, knife, waterproof matches, fire starting materials, map and compass, and a whistle and/or a signal mirror should always be in your pockets - not stashed away where they could be forgotten."

Street also suggests the following additional items should be assembled in a separate, but compact kit:

Kit container - something that you can cook in and will easily, but compactly hold all of your items inside
Needle and thread
Fishing kit with two types of line - mono and a heavier one, a variety of hook types and sizes, and a variety of artificial lures
Parachute cord or some type of rope ( 25 - 50 feet in length is suggested)
A source of light - be sure to check all batteries
Snare wire
Wire Saw
Emergency Blanket or Space Blanket or Space Emergency Bag
A Basic First Aid Kit
Water Purification (chemical treatments have a shelf life - also use two water bottles with chemicals, one to drink immediately and one to purify for future drinking.)
Emergency food
Someone responsible to know where you are going. You can´t fit them in your kit, but make them a part of your emergency planning!
Contributed By: Michael Hodgson

Michael Hodgson is a an award-winning journalist and author of numerous books including Camping for Dummies, Compass and Map Navigator, and Facing the Extreme. He is a volunteer instructor for the American Red Cross, Nevada County Sheriff´s Search & Rescue team and was a former mountain guide. Michael is well-known for his sense of humor and eagerness to try anything once in the pursuit of a really good story. His friends remain amazed that he can still walk. He has partnered with his journalist-wife, Therese Iknoian, on four web sites: his own www.AdventureNetwork.com, plus www.GearTrends.com, www.TotalFitnessNetwork.com, and www.SNEWSnet.com
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12/08/2005 10:19 AM
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so, if we practice now on camping trips

learn how to deal with unexpected happenings

we will realize that we are as much survivors as the other creatures are

how do doves survive storms, cold and harsh condtions?
they are so gentle, but so wise

all they need are warmth, their feathers and a place to shelter
they eat seeds and bugs (we can live on very little, but need fat to survive, hence the bugs)

and they drink water
they fly where they want
but they don´t store ´stuff´
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"InquiringMind
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Been buying used books and reading them! My grown children laugh, my husband does not want to hear about it! I have learned a lot about water, first and foremost.
Americans are just to fat and lazy!"
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12/08/2005 10:19 AM
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a lightbulb moment?

Don´t hurt your head thinking too hard
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12/08/2005 10:19 AM
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those emergency space bags are a lifesaver, everyone should have one in their car and home:

[link to www.cheaperthandirt.com]

best price i have seen for the bag version
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in native american culture, the woman took care of most daily living and survival
the men hunted

get your man some hunting equipment and encourage him in his new hobby

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