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The Bible says you need to kill your daughter and your brother if they have a different religion

 
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These documents go into the transition from old to new.

From the Mystici Corporis:

And first of all, by the death of our Redeemer, the New Testament took the place of the Old Law which had been abolished; then the Law of Christ together with its mysteries, enactments, institutions, and sacred rites was ratified for the whole world in the blood of Jesus Christ. For, while our Divine Savior was preaching in a restricted area - He was not sent but to the sheep that were lost of the House of Israel - the Law and the Gospel were together in force; but on the gibbet of His death Jesus made void the Law with its decrees fastened the handwriting of the Old Testament to the Cross, establishing the New Testament in His blood shed for the whole human race. "To such an extent, then," says St. Leo the Great, speaking of the Cross of our Lord, "*was there effected a transfer from the Law to the Gospel, from the Synagogue to the Church, from the many sacrifices to one Victim, that, as Our Lord expired, that mystical veil which shut off the innermost part of the temple and its sacred secret was rent violently from top to bottom.*"

On the Cross then the Old Law died, soon to be buried and to be a bearer of death*, in order to give way to the New Testament of which Christ had chosen the Apostles as qualified ministers; and although He had been constituted the Head of the whole human family in the womb of the Blessed Virgin, it is by the power of the Cross that our Savior exercises fully the office itself of Head of His Church. "


The document Nostra Aetate elaborates:

"Thus the Church of Christ acknowledges that, according to God's saving design, the beginnings of her faith and her election are found already among the Patriarchs, Moses and the prophets. She professes that all who believe in Christ-Abraham's sons according to faith (6)-are included in the same Patriarch's call, and likewise that the salvation of the Church is mysteriously foreshadowed by the chosen people's exodus from the land of bondage. The Church, therefore, cannot forget that she received the revelation of the Old Testament through the people with whom God in His inexpressible mercy *concluded the Ancient Covenant*. Nor can she forget that she draws sustenance from the root of that well-cultivated olive tree onto which have been grafted the wild shoots, the Gentiles.(7) Indeed, the Church believes that by His cross Christ, Our Peace, reconciled jewish people and Gentiles. making both one in Himself.(8)"
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Read the Bible, morons:



13:1 If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder,

13:2 And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them;

13:3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.

13:4 Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him.

13:5 And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the LORD your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the LORD thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee.

13:6 If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers;

13:7 Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth;

13:8 Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him:

13:9 But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people.

13:10 And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.



Book of Deuteronomy, Chapter 13.

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Im not Jewish
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Read the Bible, morons:



13:1 If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder,

13:2 And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them;

13:3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.

13:4 Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him.

13:5 And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the LORD your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the LORD thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee.

13:6 If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers;

13:7 Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth;

13:8 Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him:

13:9 But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people.

13:10 And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.



Book of Deuteronomy, Chapter 13.

Amen...
 Quoting: Deuteronomy, Chapter 13 1548221


Like anything else, it needs to be read in context. Context here is cultural.

God had a zero tolerance policy for other religions because the religions surrounding Israel were all about killing their children as sacrifices to appease their gods. God didn't want ANY of that infiltrating His people. The jewish people, smallest of all people groups on the planet at the time, were a witness to the rest of the world that there really was a God who performed miracles, a God they could know and a God who did NOT want people sacrificed to Him.

The modern reader may see this as harsh, but God was SAVING LIFE by implementing this. He knows how prone to evil WE are and wanted us to see just how bad evil really is.
 Quoting: telling it straight


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well there you have it .... another very imperfect religious book, written by men to try to control people...


you do not need books or religions, just talk to God straight and love each other, period.
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Every one of the nations listed above were interbred with fallen angels from the second influx after the flood of Noah. This is why God had the Israelites destroy them, every single one of them. They had giants in their populations from these ungodly unions.
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Theirs a lot of stupid shit in the Bible.

Kill your Daughter and Brother.

Psychos wrote that, Not God.
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You bunch of uneducated retards are failing to acknowledge this is Old Testament law... after the sacrifice of Christ, there is a new covenant with God.

Fools!
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Why then does Jesus say that every letter and every dot of the law still stand?
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He didn't say that. He said, "until the law is complete."

He fulfilled the law. That's why on the cross He says, "It is finished."

That does not mean we have a license to sin, "be it never so". What it means is that when we repent, and turn away from sin - we don't feel the punitive aspect of the law anymore because Christ already paid that debt.
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Psalms 137:9
How blessed will be the one who seizes and dashes your little ones against the rock.

Hosea 13:16
Samaria shall become desolate; for she hath rebelled against her God: they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up.

Luke 19:27
But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.
(This is the NEW testament here! With god 2.0!)

Jeremiah 49:37
I will bring evil upon them, even my fierce anger, saith the LORD; and I will send the sword after them, till I have consumed them.
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Psalms 137:9 is talking about the offspring of the Whore of Babylon, read it again. The Whore of Babylon is not a human, it's a demonic presence (the lady in red.) Her offspring are demons.

Luke 19:27 Jesus is giving a parable about a conquering king. The King goes out conquering, and when he returns, he pays some servant 10 cities for 10 gold pieces, 5 cities for 5 gold pieces, and for 1 gold piece he pays them death. This conquerer is NOT Jesus, because we learn in Matthew 20 that Jesus pays all of his workers equally, whether they have worked in the field for the whole day, or whether they have done no work in the field, but have just shown up to collect a reward. Everybody gets paid equally. However, with that conquering king, some get paid 10, some get paid 5, some get paid with death. Jesus is not discussing himself in the parable - could he be discussing the Antichrist?

Hosea 13:16 is a prophecy. It's not evil to give people a warning, or give them a prophecy, that's actually gracious and merciful. It gives them a chance to flee or to repent of their sins.

Jeremiah 49:37 When God talks about the SWORD, the SWORD is actually the Word of God. When Jesus returns, he will hold a sword in his mouth. However, it's not actually a literal sword, the sword is an allegory for the Word of God. I think God could be talking about he will send the Word of God after them , and also surrounding countries will take up swords against them too.

God is entirely a good God, and he is in no way capable of doing evil. He does judge righteously and mericifully. But I know that God has destined that that Antichrist Hitler would be destroyed , and surrounding nations would take up arms against them. Back in the ancient days, people were f*cking ruthless, and they slaughtered without mercy. Of course God is going to protect his children.
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Here we go, all these religitards picking and choosing what they want to believe out they bible.
Slimy hypocrites, the whole lot of you. I bet most of you have told someone that the word of the bible is true. Meaning EVERY word is true.
Yet you don't follow it and still preach about god and the bible, double standards is an understatement.
I dream of a world without religious dogma, that would be my heaven.

Oh and say what you want about Muslims but at least they follow their holy book.
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I feel scared for you God haters.

What will you do at the end of your lives when all you have to turn to for help is your selves?
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Are you completely insane?

You quote something that says the OPPOSITE of what you state.

It CLEARLY says PROPHET for the first instance AND it CLEARLY talks about COVERT preaching in the seconnd. Maybe you should consider actually READING what you quote.
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Under the LAW OF MOSES, everyone is equally condemned : 100% of humans are condemned.

This is because the wages of sin are death. Logically, the consequence of sin had to be death. The Law of Moses describes this.

However, instead of killing a person (which would break one of the 10 commandments) they would kill a lamb instead, or release an animal into the wilderness. Hence the term, scapegoat tounge
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One twist deserves another. It means that the abandonment of belief to follow after the "other god" that this individual professes, the action of saying no will kill him.

And how do you kill him in disbelief? Pay attention because this is the attitude you need to kill this persuasion, not any action through knife or rock, bullet, or hard weapon.

Don't consent.
Don't hearken.
Don't pity.
Don't spare.
Don't conceal.

You do that and you will kill him, it's the five stages of grief someone goes through before they die.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Denial
Anger
Bargaining
Depression
Acceptance

Stoning with stones can be physical, but there is another S-tone to investigate, one of spiritual things.

So this physical death, it's not necessary to see it only like that.
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I feel scared for you God haters.

What will you do at the end of your lives when all you have to turn to for help is your selves?
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i am not a god hater

i believe in god

it seems that too many here whom in the past have ended a discussion with "read your bible" or" the living bible is the indisputable word of god" are now qualifying by negating the ot. either a thing is or it isn"t. at least decide on an abridged version of the kjv before you insist that it's all credible- oh ,but not that part
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Read the Bible, morons:



13:1 If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder,

13:2 And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them;

13:3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.

13:4 Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him.

13:5 And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the LORD your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the LORD thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee.

13:6 If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers;

13:7 Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth;

13:8 Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him:

13:9 But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people.

13:10 And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.



Book of Deuteronomy, Chapter 13.

Amen...
 Quoting: Deuteronomy, Chapter 13 1548221


Like anything else, it needs to be read in context. Context here is cultural.

God had a zero tolerance policy for other religions because the religions surrounding Israel were all about killing their children as sacrifices to appease their gods. God didn't want ANY of that infiltrating His people. The jewish people, smallest of all people groups on the planet at the time, were a witness to the rest of the world that there really was a God who performed miracles, a God they could know and a God who did NOT want people sacrificed to Him.

The modern reader may see this as harsh, but God was SAVING LIFE by implementing this. He knows how prone to evil WE are and wanted us to see just how bad evil really is.
 Quoting: telling it straight


What you are saying is that the creator of the universe solution to the problem that all other religions in that region was killing babies.

Was to kill people who converted people to these religions.

He did not have any plans of stopping the slaughter of children? Other then stopping more people joining in on the slaughter from His religion?
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Why then does Jesus say that every letter and every dot of the law still stand?
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I dont think he meant that that was by his choice, or preference. And we do indeed stll have those laws to read and obey if we choose them. And those who try and choose them for us, no matter what we choose.

Just like the greater/least in heaven comment. 1dunno1

Jesus said (a while later I think) the parable about leaving the weeds (evil yukyness) in the field until the 'harvest'.

Again,, not his choice to leave them in the field,, just too much trouble to move them before the harvest.

I also would like to 'temper' the idea of 'burning' the 'weeds'.

I cool2 , think Jesus would just gently transplant them someplace else, off of the farmers field. If/when it were convienient.
{particularly if you are thinking of 'weeds' as um, 'people'}
Maby they burned weeds back then as a usual thing, and thats ok. They didnt threaten the existance of weeds, they floureshed everywhere.

But say 'Thistle'. Its nothing you want in your corn field. Its got 'prickers' on it. its nothing you want little small ones here and there where you walk bare foot.

But if you let one grow, where you arnt walking on it, or planting a food crop. It a big beutifull plant. Its pretty (its Beutifull!) it gives off a nice smell, it makes a good medicinal tea. Etc. Its still got prickers. it shouldnt be some place you will run into it by accident. But it is as beutifull as any other plant. more beutifull than some other plants in some ways. (less in others) 1dunno1
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i will never follow this kind of book.insane people.
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Why then does Jesus say that every letter and every dot of the law still stand?
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I dont think he meant that that was by his choice, or preference. And we do indeed stll have those laws to read and obey if we choose them. And those who try and choose them for us, no matter what we choose.

Just like the greater/least in heaven comment. 1dunno1

Jesus said (a while later I think) the parable about leaving the weeds (evil yukyness) in the field until the 'harvest'.

Again,, not his choice to leave them in the field,, just too much trouble to move them before the harvest.

I also would like to 'temper' the idea of 'burning' the 'weeds'.

I cool2 , think Jesus would just gently transplant them someplace else, off of the farmers field. If/when it were convienient.
{particularly if you are thinking of 'weeds' as um, 'people'}
Maby they burned weeds back then as a usual thing, and thats ok. They didnt threaten the existance of weeds, they floureshed everywhere.

But say 'Thistle'. Its nothing you want in your corn field. Its got 'prickers' on it. its nothing you want little small ones here and there where you walk bare foot.

But if you let one grow, where you arnt walking on it, or planting a food crop. It a big beutifull plant. Its pretty (its Beutifull!) it gives off a nice smell, it makes a good medicinal tea. Etc. Its still got prickers. it shouldnt be some place you will run into it by accident. But it is as beutifull as any other plant. more beutifull than some other plants in some ways. (less in others) 1dunno1
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What are you talking about?
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Why then does Jesus say that every letter and every dot of the law still stand?
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I dont think he meant that that was by his choice, or preference. And we do indeed stll have those laws to read and obey if we choose them. And those who try and choose them for us, no matter what we choose.

Just like the greater/least in heaven comment. 1dunno1

Jesus said (a while later I think) the parable about leaving the weeds (evil yukyness) in the field until the 'harvest'.

Again,, not his choice to leave them in the field,, just too much trouble to move them before the harvest.

I also would like to 'temper' the idea of 'burning' the 'weeds'.

I cool2 , think Jesus would just gently transplant them someplace else, off of the farmers field. If/when it were convienient.
{particularly if you are thinking of 'weeds' as um, 'people'}
Maby they burned weeds back then as a usual thing, and thats ok. They didnt threaten the existance of weeds, they floureshed everywhere.

But say 'Thistle'. Its nothing you want in your corn field. Its got 'prickers' on it. its nothing you want little small ones here and there where you walk bare foot.

But if you let one grow, where you arnt walking on it, or planting a food crop. It a big beutifull plant. Its pretty (its Beutifull!) it gives off a nice smell, it makes a good medicinal tea. Etc. Its still got prickers. it shouldnt be some place you will run into it by accident. But it is as beutifull as any other plant. more beutifull than some other plants in some ways. (less in others) 1dunno1
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What are you talking about?
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Jesus said '~ those who dont obey the old laws will be the least in heaven'. (to appease the TPTB at the time, is my belief)
Then later Jesus said '~ Even the least in heaven shall be greater than John the Baptist (here on Earh) (who is really great)' (to explain to his followers what he meant)
{~in Heaven there is not much difference between the least and the greatest~}

Jesus said ' ~ every letter and every dot of the law will still stand untill the end times (or somthing like that)'

Then later Jesus said (in 'parable' about weeds (darnel) in a field)
"The servants asked him, ‘Do you want us to go and gather them up?’
'"But he said, ‘No, lest perhaps while you gather up the darnel,
you root up the wheat with them.
Let both grow together until the harvest,
and in the harvest time I will tell the reapers,
"First, gather up the darnel, and bind them in bundles to burn them;
but gather the wheat into my barn."‘"

Then Later
"He who sows the good seed is the Son of Man,
the field is the world;
and the good seed, these are the children of the kingdom;
and the darnel are the children of the evil one.
The enemy who sowed them is the devil.
The harvest is the end of the age,
and the reapers are angels.

Just like the 'bad seeds', the evil laws will be around untill the 'end of the age'.

And,, I was saying that um,, well,, 1dunno1
I, was saying,, I dont think he meant to burn the 'evil ones' from the face of the Earth. Just wants to keep them out of the wheat fields. cool2 1dunno1
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I guess that 2nd part of what I was trying to say, is really this.

There are 'bad seeds' here in our 'wheat fields' that seem like totaly evil beings. and our natural reaction is to just kill them. (and maby if the are going thru the wheat like a buzz saw that is the best thing we could do.)

But if we wiped them off of the face of the Earth. If we Exterminated them,,. We would be the 'evil ones'. And every child raping mother killing thing they did would just be their justice.

We must be the good guys. And we have a right to weed our fields. But we must not try to exterminate the weeds. In the Wilds they are Gods plants as much as any.
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Read the Bible, morons:



13:1 If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder,

13:2 And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them;

13:3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.

13:4 Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him.

13:5 And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the LORD your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the LORD thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee.

13:6 If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers;

13:7 Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth;

13:8 Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him:

13:9 But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people.

13:10 And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.



Book of Deuteronomy, Chapter 13.

Amen...
 Quoting: Deuteronomy, Chapter 13 1548221


Like anything else, it needs to be read in context. Context here is cultural.

God had a zero tolerance policy for other religions because the religions surrounding Israel were all about killing their children as sacrifices to appease their gods. God didn't want ANY of that infiltrating His people. The jewish people, smallest of all people groups on the planet at the time, were a witness to the rest of the world that there really was a God who performed miracles, a God they could know and a God who did NOT want people sacrificed to Him.

The modern reader may see this as harsh, but God was SAVING LIFE by implementing this. He knows how prone to evil WE are and wanted us to see just how bad evil really is.
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...but, but, but didn't god require Abraham to kill Isaac? ...and don't tell me it was a "test" of faith...
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Who told Abraham NOT to sacrifice Isaac? Who provided the ram in the thicket?
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Please! Anybody? Dying of BOREDOM here! All of you who are so stringent in your requirements of God, does he need ANYTHING from you?
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Theoretically speaking- couldn't He carry on swimmingly with or without your approval? Is He waiting breathlessly for your judgement of his words and actions?
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Read the Bible, morons:



13:1 If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder,

13:2 And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them;

13:3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.

13:4 Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him.

13:5 And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the LORD your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the LORD thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee.

13:6 If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers;

13:7 Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth;

13:8 Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him:

13:9 But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people.

13:10 And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.



Book of Deuteronomy, Chapter 13.

Amen...
 Quoting: Deuteronomy, Chapter 13 1548221


Like anything else, it needs to be read in context. Context here is cultural.

God had a zero tolerance policy for other religions because the religions surrounding Israel were all about killing their children as sacrifices to appease their gods. God didn't want ANY of that infiltrating His people. The jewish people, smallest of all people groups on the planet at the time, were a witness to the rest of the world that there really was a God who performed miracles, a God they could know and a God who did NOT want people sacrificed to Him.

The modern reader may see this as harsh, but God was SAVING LIFE by implementing this. He knows how prone to evil WE are and wanted us to see just how bad evil really is.
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If Yahweh breaks his own commandments and does evil it's ok because the Jws are small and defenseless and they need to be protected, got it?
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Read the Bible, morons:



13:1 If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder,

13:2 And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them;

13:3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.

13:4 Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him.

13:5 And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the LORD your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the LORD thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee.

13:6 If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers;

13:7 Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth;

13:8 Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him:

13:9 But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people.

13:10 And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.



Book of Deuteronomy, Chapter 13.

Amen...
 Quoting: Deuteronomy, Chapter 13 1548221


Like anything else, it needs to be read in context. Context here is cultural.

God had a zero tolerance policy for other religions because the religions surrounding Israel were all about killing their children as sacrifices to appease their gods. God didn't want ANY of that infiltrating His people. The jewish people, smallest of all people groups on the planet at the time, were a witness to the rest of the world that there really was a God who performed miracles, a God they could know and a God who did NOT want people sacrificed to Him.

The modern reader may see this as harsh, but God was SAVING LIFE by implementing this. He knows how prone to evil WE are and wanted us to see just how bad evil really is.
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...but, but, but didn't god require Abraham to kill Isaac? ...and don't tell me it was a "test" of faith...
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Who told Abraham NOT to sacrifice Isaac? Who provided the ram in the thicket?
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Please! Anybody? Dying of BOREDOM here! All of you who are so stringent in your requirements of God, does he need ANYTHING from you?
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Theoretically speaking- couldn't He carry on swimmingly with or without your approval? Is He waiting breathlessly for your judgement of his words and actions?
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I guess that 2nd part of what I was trying to say, is really this.

There are 'bad seeds' here in our 'wheat fields' that seem like totaly evil beings. and our natural reaction is to just kill them. (and maby if the are going thru the wheat like a buzz saw that is the best thing we could do.)

But if we wiped them off of the face of the Earth. If we Exterminated them,,. We would be the 'evil ones'. And every child raping mother killing thing they did would just be their justice.

We must be the good guys. And we have a right to weed our fields. But we must not try to exterminate the weeds. In the Wilds they are Gods plants as much as any.
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I guess that 2nd part of what I was trying to say, is really this.

There are 'bad seeds' here in our 'wheat fields' that seem like totaly evil beings. and our natural reaction is to just kill them. (and maby if the are going thru the wheat like a buzz saw that is the best thing we could do.)

But if we wiped them off of the face of the Earth. If we Exterminated them,,. We would be the 'evil ones'. And every child raping mother killing thing they did would just be their justice.

We must be the good guys. And we have a right to weed our fields. But we must not try to exterminate the weeds. In the Wilds they are Gods plants as much as any.
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Simple words, yet, beautifully poetic...a voice of reason, where there were none; if words can quell, a war of rhetoric, a wise man's words can become prophetic!
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I guess that 2nd part of what I was trying to say, is really this.

There are 'bad seeds' here in our 'wheat fields' that seem like totaly evil beings. and our natural reaction is to just kill them. (and maby if the are going thru the wheat like a buzz saw that is the best thing we could do.)

But if we wiped them off of the face of the Earth. If we Exterminated them,,. We would be the 'evil ones'. And every child raping mother killing thing they did would just be their justice.

We must be the good guys. And we have a right to weed our fields. But we must not try to exterminate the weeds. In the Wilds they are Gods plants as much as any.
 Quoting: quest 1482722


I guess that 2nd part of what I was trying to say, is really this.

There are 'bad seeds' here in our 'wheat fields' that seem like totaly evil beings. and our natural reaction is to just kill them. (and maby if the are going thru the wheat like a buzz saw that is the best thing we could do.)

But if we wiped them off of the face of the Earth. If we Exterminated them,,. We would be the 'evil ones'. And every child raping mother killing thing they did would just be their justice.

We must be the good guys. And we have a right to weed our fields. But we must not try to exterminate the weeds. In the Wilds they are Gods plants as much as any.
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Simple words, yet, beautifully poetic...a voice of reason, where there were none; if words can quell, a war of rhetoric, a wise man's words can become prophetic!
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Read the Bible, morons:



13:1 If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder,

13:2 And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them;

13:3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.

13:4 Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him.

13:5 And that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from the LORD your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which the LORD thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee.

13:6 If thy brother, the son of thy mother, or thy son, or thy daughter, or the wife of thy bosom, or thy friend, which is as thine own soul, entice thee secretly, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which thou hast not known, thou, nor thy fathers;

13:7 Namely, of the gods of the people which are round about you, nigh unto thee, or far off from thee, from the one end of the earth even unto the other end of the earth;

13:8 Thou shalt not consent unto him, nor hearken unto him; neither shall thine eye pity him, neither shalt thou spare, neither shalt thou conceal him:

13:9 But thou shalt surely kill him; thine hand shall be first upon him to put him to death, and afterwards the hand of all the people.

13:10 And thou shalt stone him with stones, that he die; because he hath sought to thrust thee away from the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.



Book of Deuteronomy, Chapter 13.

Amen...
 Quoting: Deuteronomy, Chapter 13 1548221


Like anything else, it needs to be read in context. Context here is cultural.

God had a zero tolerance policy for other religions because the religions surrounding Israel were all about killing their children as sacrifices to appease their gods. God didn't want ANY of that infiltrating His people. The jewish people, smallest of all people groups on the planet at the time, were a witness to the rest of the world that there really was a God who performed miracles, a God they could know and a God who did NOT want people sacrificed to Him.

The modern reader may see this as harsh, but God was SAVING LIFE by implementing this. He knows how prone to evil WE are and wanted us to see just how bad evil really is.
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^This. Though the vast majority of you will scoff and laugh at the explanation, it is precisely why it is in the book of Deuteronomy. Laugh and shrug it off if you wish, but one day you will be held accountable. We all will.

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