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DUTCHSINSE — Moon verified to be out of place — ‘Lunar Anomaly’ — Planet X / Tyche / Nemesis would have to be 30AU

 
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Propellers don't work in a vacuum.
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There IS NO VACUUM. Nowhere. Noplace.

Space is FULL with 90+% "invisible dark matter."

Space is an OCEAN of particles of all configurations.

Just because OUR INSTRUMENTS are incapable of sensing
what is out there, doesn't mean, there's nothing out there.

I believe you're stuck in secular materialism, and it's strangulating your ability to visualize what is true.



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Fine! Then get in you airplane and fly to the Moon. Good luck. I won't be waiting. If our sensors can't detect it then the propellers can't push against it.
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NASA test pilots are former Air Forces pilots. So what? If an ex-Air Force pilot gets a job at McDonalds does that mean they are in cahoots?

Wow. Pilots see craft fly out of an air base. What will happen next? Cars pulling out of gas stations?
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I don't think you can read. The original question was "What does NASA have to do with secret Air Force bases?"

And the answer is: well, everything.

NASA and the Air Force work in joint projects together to build aircraft all the time. It's not uncommon. In fact, during the FIRST competitions that NASA hosts, they have Air Force members come in and talk about how science and the military can pay for your college. Lots of engineers in the Air Force work with NASA.

If you knew anything about Area 51 conspiracies, the idea is that both NASA and the Air Force work there together to not only build military craft, but craft that is capable of flying out of the Earth's atmosphere. This is also based upon witnesses that live near the base.

What you did manage to scan when you read my comment, was the second paragraph about NASA pilots at an Air Force base seeing craft fly from Area 51. What you didn't get was the relevance. (NASA pilots working at an Air Force base) if you didn't get it the second go round as well.

Now replying to your second comment, because for whatever reason you were unable to get all your thoughts out on the first one. I am aware that people aren't allowed to speak about secret military operations. In fact, I think it's safe to assume that MOST people are aware of that. It still doesn't change the most basic fact, which is that they ARE lying if they say it isn't there.

The reason this is signifigant, is because we rely on NASA for anything beyond the realm of the typical ameture. If they have to bend to the will of an armed force, it becomes hard to trust all their data.

Do you get it now?
 Quoting: Pangn


No. I can read just fine. You forgot what you wrote:

Several NASA test pilots worked at Air Force bases near Area 51 in the '60s-'70s and seen craft fly from there

To which I responded:

Wow. Pilots see craft fly out of an air base. What will happen next? Cars pulling out of gas stations?

Do you get it now?

What you don't get is the NASA pilots are Air Force and Navy pilots. Look up the history of the program.
 Quoting: F=ma


Alas!

You have further proven the original point.. which was that NASA and the Air Force work together all the time! Good job.
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No one said they didn't work together. That doesn't mean they always work together on all projects.
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or you are one hell of a typist "F=ma"...
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What is that suppose to mean?
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or you are one hell of a typist "F=ma"...
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What is that suppose to mean?
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It means, in true GLP fashion, that any attempt to debunk obvious pseudo-scientific nonsense is taken as proof that it's true, since "the shills are all over it".

Whereas not debunking it means it's true, since "the shills won't touch it".

Damned if you do, damned it you don't...

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Fine! Then get in you airplane and fly to the Moon. Good luck. I won't be waiting. If our sensors can't detect it then the propellers can't push against it.
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That's not how to get there in any case.

The Van Allen Radiation Belts will stop you every time.

Stuff in the WAY.


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Fine! Then get in you airplane and fly to the Moon. Good luck. I won't be waiting. If our sensors can't detect it then the propellers can't push against it.
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That's not how to get there in any case.

The Van Allen Radiation Belts will stop you every time.

Stuff in the WAY.


EEWC
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How do they stop you? So you are saying that no craft ever left Earth orbit?
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That's what I'm saying: NO EARTH CRAFT. They're not built to withstand radiation.

In fact, if you look at the Apollo DATAbase of photos, here:

[link to www.apolloarchive.com]

... and you GO THROUGH the photos, one-by-one-by-one, what you find is this:

There are TWO DISCRETE GROUPS OF PHOTOS..

Those in which an astronaut appears are LIT WITH BLUE-BLACK LIGHT.

Those in which NO ASTRONAUT appears, which are merely a fly-by of the moon are LIT WITH WHITE LIGHT from behind a large picture window.

The effect is, if you relight all the pixels, you can see reflections coming back at you because the photo was taken on this side of a LIT WINDOW.

The reflections coming back at you, if you do this, are NOT HUMAN.

LoL!

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Here is another site pointing out NASA's deception.
[link to www.remusicas.org]
 Quoting: Volar 4648268

No.
It's a site pointing out the author's apophenia, and his extreme case of I-want-to-believe-itis.

Frankly, I could never call anyone a moron, just because they are gullible.
 Quoting: Volar 4648268

People are called morans because they're stupid.
Being as gullible as you can have no other explanation.
book
You're one to talk about lying anyway.
How's your telescope coming along?
 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD


My telescope is still gathering dust....Do you want to see the pictures of it on photobucket?

Want to see more lies coming from NASA? And, no....I wouldn't buy a car from this clown.

[link to www.youtube.com]

By the way....what is a "moran"?
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My telescope is still gathering dust....Do you want to see the pictures of it on photobucket?
 Quoting: Volar 4648268

No pX then, I gather.

Want to see more lies coming from NASA?
 Quoting: Volar 4648268

Can you PROOF they are lies?

Have you actually EVER proven ANYTHING?

And, no....I wouldn't buy a car from this clown.
 Quoting: Volar 4648268

I'd rather you didn't drive on public roads anyway.

By the way....what is a "moran"?
 Quoting: Volar 4648268

Someone who beliefs any old stupid shit.
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My telescope is still gathering dust....Do you want to see the pictures of it on photobucket?
 Quoting: Volar 4648268

No pX then, I gather.

Want to see more lies coming from NASA?
 Quoting: Volar 4648268

Can you PROOF they are lies?

Have you actually EVER proven ANYTHING?

And, no....I wouldn't buy a car from this clown.
 Quoting: Volar 4648268

I'd rather you didn't drive on public roads anyway.

By the way....what is a "moran"?
 Quoting: Volar 4648268


Someone who beliefs any old stupid shit.
book
 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD


There is no such word as "moran". You must mean "moron".

Also beliefs is incorrectly used. The spelling should be "believes". Did you finish high school?

You have to read, and study, to form a good vocabulary. You obviously haven't done much of either.

Ain't you got no learnin?
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There is no such word as "moran". You must mean "moron".
 Quoting: Volar 4648268

Check the Urban Dictionary.

Also beliefs is incorrectly used. The spelling should be "believes". Did you finish high school?
 Quoting: Volar 4648268

Of course not. No such thing here.

I do have an excuse for my execrable English.

You have to read, and study, to form a good vocabulary. You obviously haven't done much of either.

Ain't you got no learnin?
 Quoting: Volar 4648268

Look who's talking.

You're the one who believes in Imaginary Pixie Planets, ignoring pretty much ALL of human knowledge.
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That's what I'm saying: NO EARTH CRAFT. They're not built to withstand radiation.
 Quoting: UNtypical USer


So you are saying that there is no such thing as geosynchronous satellites, which is and orbit beyond the radiation belts, even though you can get a small telescope and photograph them.

[link to www.ctcameraeye.com]
[link to www.mrh.org]
[link to www.galaxyzooforum.org]

That immediately negates your premise.

In fact, if you look at the Apollo DATAbase of photos, here:

[link to www.apolloarchive.com]

... and you GO THROUGH the photos, one-by-one-by-one, what you find is this:

There are TWO DISCRETE GROUPS OF PHOTOS..

Those in which an astronaut appears are LIT WITH BLUE-BLACK LIGHT.

Those in which NO ASTRONAUT appears, which are merely a fly-by of the moon are LIT WITH WHITE LIGHT from behind a large picture window.

The effect is, if you relight all the pixels, you can see reflections coming back at you because the photo was taken on this side of a LIT WINDOW.

The reflections coming back at you, if you do this, are NOT HUMAN.

LoL!

EEWC
 Quoting: UNtypical USer


Lighting effects are due to Sun angle and scattering off the lunar surface. The Moon does reflect light, that is how we see it. Why wouldn't it reflect light for someone on the surface?
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or you are one hell of a typist "F=ma"...
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What is that suppose to mean?
 Quoting: F=ma


It means, in true GLP fashion, that any attempt to debunk obvious pseudo-scientific nonsense is taken as proof that it's true, since "the shills are all over it".

Whereas not debunking it means it's true, since "the shills won't touch it".

Damned if you do, damned it you don't...

cool2
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It is tough fighting ignorance
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or you are one hell of a typist "F=ma"...
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What is that suppose to mean?
 Quoting: F=ma


It means, in true GLP fashion, that any attempt to debunk obvious pseudo-scientific nonsense is taken as proof that it's true, since "the shills are all over it".

Whereas not debunking it means it's true, since "the shills won't touch it".


Damned if you do, damned it you don't...

cool2
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Excellent explanation...
"Hold my cat while I bring in my tomato plant. That chemtrail looks like an earthquake chemtrail"

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I don't think you can read. The original question was "What does NASA have to do with secret Air Force bases?"

And the answer is: well, everything.

NASA and the Air Force work in joint projects together to build aircraft all the time. It's not uncommon. In fact, during the FIRST competitions that NASA hosts, they have Air Force members come in and talk about how science and the military can pay for your college. Lots of engineers in the Air Force work with NASA.

If you knew anything about Area 51 conspiracies, the idea is that both NASA and the Air Force work there together to not only build military craft, but craft that is capable of flying out of the Earth's atmosphere. This is also based upon witnesses that live near the base.

What you did manage to scan when you read my comment, was the second paragraph about NASA pilots at an Air Force base seeing craft fly from Area 51. What you didn't get was the relevance. (NASA pilots working at an Air Force base) if you didn't get it the second go round as well.

Now replying to your second comment, because for whatever reason you were unable to get all your thoughts out on the first one. I am aware that people aren't allowed to speak about secret military operations. In fact, I think it's safe to assume that MOST people are aware of that. It still doesn't change the most basic fact, which is that they ARE lying if they say it isn't there.

The reason this is signifigant, is because we rely on NASA for anything beyond the realm of the typical ameture. If they have to bend to the will of an armed force, it becomes hard to trust all their data.

Do you get it now?
 Quoting: Pangn


No. I can read just fine. You forgot what you wrote:

Several NASA test pilots worked at Air Force bases near Area 51 in the '60s-'70s and seen craft fly from there

To which I responded:

Wow. Pilots see craft fly out of an air base. What will happen next? Cars pulling out of gas stations?

Do you get it now?

What you don't get is the NASA pilots are Air Force and Navy pilots. Look up the history of the program.
 Quoting: F=ma


Alas!

You have further proven the original point.. which was that NASA and the Air Force work together all the time! Good job.
 Quoting: Pangn


No one said they didn't work together. That doesn't mean they always work together on all projects.
 Quoting: F=ma


Once again, had you not scanned my comments; and actually read into what I provided..

You would have seen an interesting tidbit from Wikipedia about NASA photographing graphic detail of Area 51 during the Skylab days, and the military prohibiting those photos from being released.

So, once again, we come to the conclusion that NASA is VERY well aware of Area 51 and refuses to admit it's exsistance.

To me, that comprimises all their data. A Space agency shouldn't require a military approval to release information. They are different companies for a REASON.
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No. I can read just fine. You forgot what you wrote:

Several NASA test pilots worked at Air Force bases near Area 51 in the '60s-'70s and seen craft fly from there

To which I responded:

Wow. Pilots see craft fly out of an air base. What will happen next? Cars pulling out of gas stations?

Do you get it now?

What you don't get is the NASA pilots are Air Force and Navy pilots. Look up the history of the program.
 Quoting: F=ma


Alas!

You have further proven the original point.. which was that NASA and the Air Force work together all the time! Good job.
 Quoting: Pangn


No one said they didn't work together. That doesn't mean they always work together on all projects.
 Quoting: F=ma


Once again, had you not scanned my comments; and actually read into what I provided..

You would have seen an interesting tidbit from Wikipedia about NASA photographing graphic detail of Area 51 during the Skylab days, and the military prohibiting those photos from being released.

So, once again, we come to the conclusion that NASA is VERY well aware of Area 51 and refuses to admit it's exsistance.

To me, that comprimises all their data. A Space agency shouldn't require a military approval to release information. They are different companies for a REASON.
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I did read, again you forgot what you wrote.

NASA and the Air Force work together all the time!

Clearly that is a silly statement and cannot be true.

The SR71 were developed at the Lockheed facility in Palmdale, California not in Nevada. First flight was at Palmdale. They did do testing at Nellis, which encompasses area 51.

An apparently you didn't read the wikipedia article carefully:

The crew also photographed the Earth from orbit. Despite instructions not to do so, the crew (perhaps inadvertently) photographed Area 51, causing a minor dispute between various government agencies as to whether the photographs showing this secret facility should be released. In the end, the picture was published along with all others in NASA's Skylab image archive, but remained unnoticed for years.

And from

[link to www.thespacereview.com]

NASA wanted the photograph released in keeping with its mission of being open and public about its activities.

It turns out that the photograph was placed in NASA’s archive of Skylab photographs. But nobody had noticed. So NASA won its argument with the intelligence community over the photograph. The photograph is published above.

The above web site shows the photo.

The fact that some military facilites are not discussed is of no interest to me and has no bearing on the "lunar anomaly", Planet X or anything else.
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Alas!

You have further proven the original point.. which was that NASA and the Air Force work together all the time! Good job.
 Quoting: Pangn


No one said they didn't work together. That doesn't mean they always work together on all projects.
 Quoting: F=ma


Once again, had you not scanned my comments; and actually read into what I provided..

You would have seen an interesting tidbit from Wikipedia about NASA photographing graphic detail of Area 51 during the Skylab days, and the military prohibiting those photos from being released.

So, once again, we come to the conclusion that NASA is VERY well aware of Area 51 and refuses to admit it's exsistance.

To me, that comprimises all their data. A Space agency shouldn't require a military approval to release information. They are different companies for a REASON.
 Quoting: Pangn


I did read, again you forgot what you wrote.

NASA and the Air Force work together all the time!

Clearly that is a silly statement and cannot be true.

The SR71 were developed at the Lockheed facility in Palmdale, California not in Nevada. First flight was at Palmdale. They did do testing at Nellis, which encompasses area 51.

An apparently you didn't read the wikipedia article carefully:

The crew also photographed the Earth from orbit. Despite instructions not to do so, the crew (perhaps inadvertently) photographed Area 51, causing a minor dispute between various government agencies as to whether the photographs showing this secret facility should be released. In the end, the picture was published along with all others in NASA's Skylab image archive, but remained unnoticed for years.

And from

[link to www.thespacereview.com]

NASA wanted the photograph released in keeping with its mission of being open and public about its activities.

It turns out that the photograph was placed in NASA’s archive of Skylab photographs. But nobody had noticed. So NASA won its argument with the intelligence community over the photograph. The photograph is published above.

The above web site shows the photo.

The fact that some military facilites are not discussed is of no interest to me and has no bearing on the "lunar anomaly", Planet X or anything else.
 Quoting: F=ma


You are still missing the point!

The original question I replied to was "What does NASA have to do with an Air Force base?" and my replys intention was to answer exactly that, and to demonstrate why NASA data could be considered comprimised.

All I stated was that NASA wanted to release the photos and the military didn't. I didn't say "dey are sekret photozz!!111 nevar seen by de public" or anything of that sort. You are so eager to jump down the throat of anyone that you're still turning the argument away from the original train of thought. Which was and still is that

NASA and the Air Force DO work together, and frequently
NASA, just like every other organization in America, bends to the will of the American military
NASA is aware of Area 51's exsistance
NASA has admitted that aircraft is tested "near there"
but they say that Area 51 is not in use. Odd they would know so much about an area that according to you, they know nothing about?
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All I stated was that NASA wanted to release the photos and the military didn't.
 Quoting: Pangn

How is that surprising?
Any actual evidence that these pictures weren't released?

NASA is aware of Area 51's exsistance
NASA has admitted that aircraft is tested "near there"
but they say that Area 51 is not in use.
 Quoting: Pangn

You keep saying that.
Care to provide a link?

The only thing NASA could really know about it is that nobody is allowed to fly over it.
And nobody includes most of the Air Force.

Also, if something is classified it is against to law for any government worker or agency to divulge it.
Technically even the president couldn't without having it declassified first.

We get it, the US is a borderline National Security State and that is bad.
What does that have got to do with the Moon?
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You are still missing the point!

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The point is you make absolute statements and you over generalize.

The original question I replied to was "What does NASA have to do with an Air Force base?" and my replys intention was to answer exactly that, and to demonstrate why NASA data could be considered comprimised.

All I stated was that NASA wanted to release the photos and the military didn't. I didn't say "dey are sekret photozz!!111 nevar seen by de public" or anything of that sort. You are so eager to jump down the throat of anyone that you're still turning the argument away from the original train of thought. Which was and still is that

NASA and the Air Force DO work together, and frequently
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No one ever said they didn't work together

NASA, just like every other organization in America, bends to the will of the American military
 Quoting: Pangn


So are you saying it is the duty of all Americans to reveal military secrets? Or should we all do our part in protecting military secrets? In WWII the saying was loose lips sink ships.


NASA is aware of Area 51's exsistance
NASA has admitted that aircraft is tested "near there"
but they say that Area 51 is not in use. Odd they would know so much about an area that according to you, they know nothing about?
 Quoting: Pangn


So what. There is an area in the desert that the military uses to test new and unique aircraft. Why do you have a problem with that? I really don't care

Here is it from Google maps

[link to maps.google.com]

My point is that Area 51 has absolutely nothing to do with a "lunar anomaly", Planet X or anything else. You are engaging in sophistry based of fallacy, paranoia, and ignorance. Just a red herring.
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All I stated was that NASA wanted to release the photos and the military didn't.
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How is that surprising?
Any actual evidence that these pictures weren't released?

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This says the images were placed in the Skylab archive

[link to www.thespacereview.com]
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All I stated was that NASA wanted to release the photos and the military didn't.
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How is that surprising?
Any actual evidence that these pictures weren't released?

NASA is aware of Area 51's exsistance
NASA has admitted that aircraft is tested "near there"
but they say that Area 51 is not in use.
 Quoting: Pangn

You keep saying that.
Care to provide a link?

The only thing NASA could really know about it is that nobody is allowed to fly over it.
And nobody includes most of the Air Force.

Also, if something is classified it is against to law for any government worker or agency to divulge it.
Technically even the president couldn't without having it declassified first.

We get it, the US is a borderline National Security State and that is bad.
What does that have got to do with the Moon?
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 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD


Are you retarted? I NEVER stated that the photos weren't released, or that they were top secret.

And yes, I can provide links, directly from NASA's website.

[link to astrobiology.nasa.gov]

[link to astrobiology.nasa.gov]

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If you're on Facebook, Henning Kemner's moon video still shots, re-rendered are here:

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If you have a Google ID, they're here:

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The moon is neither configured as NASA says, the Size NASA says, the Distance NASA says, nor DEPOPULATED as NASA says.

That's all propaganda.


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You are still missing the point!

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The point is you make absolute statements and you over generalize.

The original question I replied to was "What does NASA have to do with an Air Force base?" and my replys intention was to answer exactly that, and to demonstrate why NASA data could be considered comprimised.

All I stated was that NASA wanted to release the photos and the military didn't. I didn't say "dey are sekret photozz!!111 nevar seen by de public" or anything of that sort. You are so eager to jump down the throat of anyone that you're still turning the argument away from the original train of thought. Which was and still is that

NASA and the Air Force DO work together, and frequently
 Quoting: Pangn


No one ever said they didn't work together

NASA, just like every other organization in America, bends to the will of the American military
 Quoting: Pangn


So are you saying it is the duty of all Americans to reveal military secrets? Or should we all do our part in protecting military secrets? In WWII the saying was loose lips sink ships.


NASA is aware of Area 51's exsistance
NASA has admitted that aircraft is tested "near there"
but they say that Area 51 is not in use. Odd they would know so much about an area that according to you, they know nothing about?
 Quoting: Pangn


So what. There is an area in the desert that the military uses to test new and unique aircraft. Why do you have a problem with that? I really don't care

Here is it from Google maps

[link to maps.google.com]

My point is that Area 51 has absolutely nothing to do with a "lunar anomaly", Planet X or anything else. You are engaging in sophistry based of fallacy, paranoia, and ignorance. Just a red herring.
 Quoting: F=ma


I never said that Area 51 had anything to do with any "lunar anomaly". If you don't understand how the whole topic of Area 51 came up I will explain it to you.

Someone used NASA as a reliable source for information reguarding the moon
Then someone brought up the topic.. can we really trust NASA, if they don't tell us the truth anyway?
And someone said NASA had absolutely nothing to do with Area 51.

And that's the only topic I replied to. If the military builds and tests new aircraft there, it is not far fetched to believe NASA has engineers or scientists who work there as well.

Anything NASA says has to have government approval, and that should be enough to make those of us seeking the truth look elsewear for our information.

As for protecting "military secrets".. I'm sure countries such as Russia and China with their satelittes, spies, and intellience centers know more about Area 51 than the American people.
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You are still missing the point!

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The point is you make absolute statements and you over generalize.

The original question I replied to was "What does NASA have to do with an Air Force base?" and my replys intention was to answer exactly that, and to demonstrate why NASA data could be considered comprimised.

All I stated was that NASA wanted to release the photos and the military didn't. I didn't say "dey are sekret photozz!!111 nevar seen by de public" or anything of that sort. You are so eager to jump down the throat of anyone that you're still turning the argument away from the original train of thought. Which was and still is that

NASA and the Air Force DO work together, and frequently
 Quoting: Pangn


No one ever said they didn't work together

NASA, just like every other organization in America, bends to the will of the American military
 Quoting: Pangn


So are you saying it is the duty of all Americans to reveal military secrets? Or should we all do our part in protecting military secrets? In WWII the saying was loose lips sink ships.


NASA is aware of Area 51's exsistance
NASA has admitted that aircraft is tested "near there"
but they say that Area 51 is not in use. Odd they would know so much about an area that according to you, they know nothing about?
 Quoting: Pangn


So what. There is an area in the desert that the military uses to test new and unique aircraft. Why do you have a problem with that? I really don't care

Here is it from Google maps

[link to maps.google.com]

My point is that Area 51 has absolutely nothing to do with a "lunar anomaly", Planet X or anything else. You are engaging in sophistry based of fallacy, paranoia, and ignorance. Just a red herring.
 Quoting: F=ma


I never said that Area 51 had anything to do with any "lunar anomaly". If you don't understand how the whole topic of Area 51 came up I will explain it to you.

Someone used NASA as a reliable source for information reguarding the moon
Then someone brought up the topic.. can we really trust NASA, if they don't tell us the truth anyway?
And someone said NASA had absolutely nothing to do with Area 51.

And that's the only topic I replied to. If the military builds and tests new aircraft there, it is not far fetched to believe NASA has engineers or scientists who work there as well.

Anything NASA says has to have government approval, and that should be enough to make those of us seeking the truth look elsewear for our information.

As for protecting "military secrets".. I'm sure countries such as Russia and China with their satelittes, spies, and intellience centers know more about Area 51 than the American people.
 Quoting: Pangn



You are the one pushing this nonsense on the thread about lunar anomaly. You have some sort of agenda unrelated to this thread. Start a different thread if that is what you want to talk about. You have far less credibility than NASA. How much NASA data have you worked with? I work at a university, not NASA, not NASA funded, and have worked with NASA data most of my career. There is nothing wrong with the data. You are paranoid delusional if you think otherwise
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Are you retarted?
 Quoting: Pangn

lol

I NEVER stated that the photos weren't released, or that they were top secret.
 Quoting: Pangn

So this post was made by an impostor?
You would have seen an interesting tidbit from Wikipedia about NASA photographing graphic detail of Area 51 during the Skylab days, and the military prohibiting those photos from being released.
 Quoting: Pangn

(Emphasis mine.)

NASA is aware of Area 51's exsistance
NASA has admitted that aircraft is tested "near there"
but they say that Area 51 is not in use
You keep saying that.
Care to provide a link?
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 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD

And yes, I can provide links, directly from NASA's website.
[link to astrobiology.nasa.gov]
[link to astrobiology.nasa.gov]
 Quoting: Pangn

I'll apply Hanlon's Razor and assume you suck at understanding English, rather then lie, because those links do not say that.
They both say: There is a classified USAF facility at Groom Lake. It is no longer called Area 51.
So the name is not in use.
Where is the lie? How is this not the truth as far as NASA can know it?

Someone used NASA as a reliable source for information reguarding the moon
Then someone brought up the topic.. can we really trust NASA, if they don't tell us the truth anyway?
 Quoting: Pangn

Well, you have failed at proving they don't tell the truth.

As far as I know no one has ever conclusively shown NASA doesn't tell the truth.
They just keep repeating the claim as an article of faith.
Never A Straight Answer is a conspiracist meme with no basis in reality what so ever.
They desperately cling to it to explain away the fact that NASA keeps refusing to validate their delusions.
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Are you retarted?
 Quoting: Pangn

lol

I NEVER stated that the photos weren't released, or that they were top secret.
 Quoting: Pangn

So this post was made by an impostor?
You would have seen an interesting tidbit from Wikipedia about NASA photographing graphic detail of Area 51 during the Skylab days, and the military prohibiting those photos from being released.
 Quoting: Pangn

(Emphasis mine.)

NASA is aware of Area 51's exsistance
NASA has admitted that aircraft is tested "near there"
but they say that Area 51 is not in use
You keep saying that.
Care to provide a link?
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 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD

And yes, I can provide links, directly from NASA's website.
[link to astrobiology.nasa.gov]
[link to astrobiology.nasa.gov]
 Quoting: Pangn

I'll apply Hanlon's Razor and assume you suck at understanding English, rather then lie, because those links do not say that.
They both say: There is a classified USAF facility at Groom Lake. It is no longer called Area 51.
So the name is not in use.
Where is the lie? How is this not the truth as far as NASA can know it?

Someone used NASA as a reliable source for information reguarding the moon
Then someone brought up the topic.. can we really trust NASA, if they don't tell us the truth anyway?
 Quoting: Pangn

Well, you have failed at proving they don't tell the truth.

As far as I know no one has ever conclusively shown NASA doesn't tell the truth.
They just keep repeating the claim as an article of faith.
Never A Straight Answer is a conspiracist meme with no basis in reality what so ever.
They desperately cling to it to explain away the fact that NASA keeps refusing to validate their delusions.
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The Military DID order those photos kept secret, and NASA DID want to release them. That much is avalible on the Area 51 Wikipedia page and is well documented. The Department of Defense were not the people who published the records, the State Department did. It's not my fault YOU took that out of context and assumed I ment they were never released.

I don't know what paragraph you read, but the one I linked clearly stated that aircraft USED to be tested in the area known as Area 51, but it ceased to exsist. Nowwww it's just a plain ole Air Force Base (with more security than your average air force base, obviously) with a bright shiney new name. What does that prove? They still will not answer any questions about NASA's involvement with Area 51/"the location near Groomlake"/or whatever else they want to classify it as. They will tell you a name, where it's located, and any general information found on Wikipedia, and that's IT.

Can YOU provide me a link where NASA denies full involvement with Area 51? How about a link where they admit they were there?

I've certainly never found either, but I have seen the questions asked MULTIPLE times.
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You are still missing the point!

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The point is you make absolute statements and you over generalize.

The original question I replied to was "What does NASA have to do with an Air Force base?" and my replys intention was to answer exactly that, and to demonstrate why NASA data could be considered comprimised.

All I stated was that NASA wanted to release the photos and the military didn't. I didn't say "dey are sekret photozz!!111 nevar seen by de public" or anything of that sort. You are so eager to jump down the throat of anyone that you're still turning the argument away from the original train of thought. Which was and still is that

NASA and the Air Force DO work together, and frequently
 Quoting: Pangn


No one ever said they didn't work together

NASA, just like every other organization in America, bends to the will of the American military
 Quoting: Pangn


So are you saying it is the duty of all Americans to reveal military secrets? Or should we all do our part in protecting military secrets? In WWII the saying was loose lips sink ships.


NASA is aware of Area 51's exsistance
NASA has admitted that aircraft is tested "near there"
but they say that Area 51 is not in use. Odd they would know so much about an area that according to you, they know nothing about?
 Quoting: Pangn


So what. There is an area in the desert that the military uses to test new and unique aircraft. Why do you have a problem with that? I really don't care

Here is it from Google maps

[link to maps.google.com]

My point is that Area 51 has absolutely nothing to do with a "lunar anomaly", Planet X or anything else. You are engaging in sophistry based of fallacy, paranoia, and ignorance. Just a red herring.
 Quoting: F=ma


I never said that Area 51 had anything to do with any "lunar anomaly". If you don't understand how the whole topic of Area 51 came up I will explain it to you.

Someone used NASA as a reliable source for information reguarding the moon
Then someone brought up the topic.. can we really trust NASA, if they don't tell us the truth anyway?
And someone said NASA had absolutely nothing to do with Area 51.

And that's the only topic I replied to. If the military builds and tests new aircraft there, it is not far fetched to believe NASA has engineers or scientists who work there as well.

Anything NASA says has to have government approval, and that should be enough to make those of us seeking the truth look elsewear for our information.

As for protecting "military secrets".. I'm sure countries such as Russia and China with their satelittes, spies, and intellience centers know more about Area 51 than the American people.
 Quoting: Pangn



You are the one pushing this nonsense on the thread about lunar anomaly. You have some sort of agenda unrelated to this thread. Start a different thread if that is what you want to talk about. You have far less credibility than NASA. How much NASA data have you worked with? I work at a university, not NASA, not NASA funded, and have worked with NASA data most of my career. There is nothing wrong with the data. You are paranoid delusional if you think otherwise
 Quoting: F=ma


I have far less credibility than NASA? Where have I provided any sort of scientific discovery that you have disproven, questioned, or researched?

I never said you were some sort of misinformation agent of NASA. You have become far too accustomed to arguing with people who will not back down from insane conspiracy theories. I am extremely level headed and have personally debunked hundreds of threads on this site about the Virginia EQ being a "nuclear explosion"

I do, however, work with a charity that NASA sponsors and works with. LOTS of their employees volunteer with this charity. The reason I ever got involved with Area 51 conspiracies, was a nine year old kid. She asked one of them what they could tell her about Area 51 (apparently had watched Independence Day) and the employee replied "Nothing, it's classified." And went on to the next question without a flinch. I keep thinking if I were in the same position, I would have answered differently.

You can believe that story or not, it's really no sweat off my back. But it raised a considerable amount of wonder in my mind, and I found more questions than answers.
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The Military DID order those photos kept secret, and NASA DID want to release them. That much is avalible on the Area 51 Wikipedia page and is well documented.
 Quoting: Pangn

The "Military" did NOT order.
They asked. Something very different.
Learn to read.

I don't know what paragraph you read, but the one I linked clearly stated that aircraft USED to be tested in the area known as Area 51, but it ceased to exsist.
 Quoting: Pangn

Aircraft used to be tested in Area 51.
Area 51 ceased to exists AS Area 51.
It doesn't say anything about what goes on there currently.
Learn to read.

They still will not answer any questions about NASA's involvement with Area 51/"the location near Groomlake"/or whatever else they want to classify it as.
 Quoting: Pangn

Proof?
And why would NASA be involved at all?
You can't have it both ways, either Groom Lake is a sooper sekrit facility people are only let in on a needs basis, or it is just another military airfield.

They will tell you a name, where it's located, and any general information found on Wikipedia, and that's IT.
 Quoting: Pangn

And that is all NASA could or should know.
I very much doubt there is a single person inside the USAF who knows all that goes on there.
Why the heck would they tell NASA anything.

Can YOU provide me a link where NASA denies full involvement with Area 51? How about a link where they admit they were there?
 Quoting: Pangn

uh, I think providing evidence for your claims would be your job.
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