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DUTCHSINSE — Moon verified to be out of place — ‘Lunar Anomaly’ — Planet X / Tyche / Nemesis would have to be 30AU

 
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SIGNS IN THE MOON...THE STARS...THE HEAVENS

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Thread: *** Moon orbit is wrong according to Cornell University *** PIN

Decent sized thread about this from a few months back.

Thread: Cornell University: Moon Orbit Wrong

and another one...

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Well, got this seconds ago via Twitter from Dutchsince




[link to adsabs.harvard.edu]


Download PDF here:
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"Dutchsince:"

They explain in this paper from Cornell University that THEY CANNOT EXPLAIN why the moon is showing an “accelerating phenomenon”.

They do calculations based upon the location of “X” .. X being the distant point where the supposed “planet x / nemesis / tyche” is located.

This paper acknowledges two things..

ReadMore:
[link to sincedutch.wordpress.com]
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Astromut doesn't have a chance debunking this, or does he? LOL!
Nice post OP.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 497567


Already did, as far as it applying to anything anyone claims to be seeing...
[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]
Such a difference is measured in centimeters and is too small to detect by eye or even telescope. The original authors who reported the finding hypothesized that it is simply due to the internal dynamics of the moon which are not yet fully capable of being modeled. The moon still has some occasional out-gassing and moon quakes, but we do not have the kind of in depth information of its interior the way we do with our own planet.
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"The original authors who reported the finding hypothesized that it is simply due to the internal dynamics of the moon which are not yet fully capable of being modeled."

reference please.
 Quoting: Pink Cat with a Telephone Hat

[link to cddis.gsfc.nasa.gov]
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So you telling me that being visually not detectable, but the laser they bounce off the moon detecting the difference of a few centremeters is not significant?
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Thread: *** Moon orbit is wrong according to Cornell University *** PIN

Decent sized thread about this from a few months back.

Thread: Cornell University: Moon Orbit Wrong

and another one...

:)

Peace and love guys.
 Quoting: Sol1d1nt3l


Yes, it's another case of this;



Again, that paper refers to a Known anomaly of 6 Millimeters a YEAR. It can be seen on page 22 here: [link to astrometric.sai.msu.ru]

At 6 Millimeters a Year, it will be a very long time before the Eclipses forecast decades ago will suffer any degradation.
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the point for me is they use the name planet x, explain that away. please.
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Moving the entire mass of the Moon 6mm a year is A LOT of energy.

F = M x A

MASS: 7.36 x 10^22 kilograms
ACCELERATION: 0.006 mm/year
0.00000000019012 meter/sec

F = 13,992,832,000,000 newton

Almost 14 Trillion Newtons of Force on the Moon. Which is certainly effecting the Earth as well.

It MAY seem like nothing until you look at the scope of things.
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Nice info
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Already did, as far as it applying to anything anyone claims to be seeing...
[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]
Such a difference is measured in centimeters and is too small to detect by eye or even telescope. The original authors who reported the finding hypothesized that it is simply due to the internal dynamics of the moon which are not yet fully capable of being modeled. The moon still has some occasional out-gassing and moon quakes, but we do not have the kind of in depth information of its interior the way we do with our own planet.
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"The original authors who reported the finding hypothesized that it is simply due to the internal dynamics of the moon which are not yet fully capable of being modeled."

reference please.
 Quoting: Pink Cat with a Telephone Hat

[link to cddis.gsfc.nasa.gov]
 Quoting: Astromut


So you telling me that being visually not detectable, but the laser they bounce off the moon detecting the difference of a few centremeters is not significant?
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A few centimeters of 38+ years is pretty damn good accuracy of prediction. It does mean that further study of the moon's interior and possibly tidal forces/heating are needed. Amazing how quickly the argument changed when I provided a reference.

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There was a 80 page PDF document someone created explaining the nibiru stuff in great detail... Can someone post a link for that one??
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You mean the one that falsely claimed Saturn had rotated 90 degrees?
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Yes..that's the one.. even though Saturn thing might be wrong, I sort of think he was onto something...
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Here's the link to the Nibiru pdf :) [link to www.wakenews.net]
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There was a 80 page PDF document someone created explaining the nibiru stuff in great detail... Can someone post a link for that one??
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5525961


You mean the one that falsely claimed Saturn had rotated 90 degrees?
 Quoting: Astromut


Yes..that's the one.. even though Saturn thing might be wrong, I sort of think he was onto something...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5525961


Here's the link to the Nibiru pdf :) [link to www.wakenews.net]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4566118


Isn't that the one that says we should all be dead by now due to CW Leonis's magnetic influence on the Earth? The CW Leonis that is still somewhere around 400 light years away?

I don't think that theory worked out very well either.
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You mean the one that falsely claimed Saturn had rotated 90 degrees?
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Yes..that's the one.. even though Saturn thing might be wrong, I sort of think he was onto something...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5525961


Here's the link to the Nibiru pdf :) [link to www.wakenews.net]
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Isn't that the one that says we should all be dead by now due to CW Leonis's magnetic influence on the Earth? The CW Leonis that is still somewhere around 400 light years away?

I don't think that theory worked out very well either.
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Is it even possible to detect how far out CW Leonis is? I had read from a credible source that we wouldn't be able to measure it's distance if it were moving directly toward us?
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Yes..that's the one.. even though Saturn thing might be wrong, I sort of think he was onto something...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5525961


Here's the link to the Nibiru pdf :) [link to www.wakenews.net]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4566118


Isn't that the one that says we should all be dead by now due to CW Leonis's magnetic influence on the Earth? The CW Leonis that is still somewhere around 400 light years away?

I don't think that theory worked out very well either.
 Quoting: TBar1984


Is it even possible to detect how far out CW Leonis is? I had read from a credible source that we wouldn't be able to measure it's distance if it were moving directly toward us?
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False. It would still show massive (as far as telescopes are concerned) amounts of parallax if it were near our solar system.
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Read a little bit of it...looks interesting...bookmarking for later. =) Thanks for posting!
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The "mystery" source is traditionally defined by a "." not an "x".

The current rate of radioactive decay on Earth is also "warping" in response to changes in the core of this gravitational vortex. Who knows, maybe it will develop a higher voice from the increase in Helium?

We're ALL going to die. That's a given. The only question is, will we collectively volunteer to do so in concert or not?
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Astromut doesn't have a chance debunking this, or does he? LOL!
Nice post OP.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 497567


Already did, as far as it applying to anything anyone claims to be seeing...
[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]
Such a difference is measured in centimeters and is too small to detect by eye or even telescope. The original authors who reported the finding hypothesized that it is simply due to the internal dynamics of the moon which are not yet fully capable of being modeled. The moon still has some occasional out-gassing and moon quakes, but we do not have the kind of in depth information of its interior the way we do with our own planet.
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"The original authors who reported the finding hypothesized that it is simply due to the internal dynamics of the moon which are not yet fully capable of being modeled."

reference please.
 Quoting: Pink Cat with a Telephone Hat

[link to cddis.gsfc.nasa.gov]
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this is about the lunar core and mantle. what does this have to do with the other abstract? how are you trying to make a connection besides the fact they both are about aspects of the moon? these authours are not hypothosizing about the moon's eccentric orbit.
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Here's the link to the Nibiru pdf :) [link to www.wakenews.net]
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Isn't that the one that says we should all be dead by now due to CW Leonis's magnetic influence on the Earth? The CW Leonis that is still somewhere around 400 light years away?

I don't think that theory worked out very well either.
 Quoting: TBar1984


Is it even possible to detect how far out CW Leonis is? I had read from a credible source that we wouldn't be able to measure it's distance if it were moving directly toward us?
 Quoting: Pangn

False. It would still show massive (as far as telescopes are concerned) amounts of parallax if it were near our solar system.
 Quoting: Astromut


Here's the source I read the information from:
[link to endgametime.wordpress.com]

They linked the following two articles

[link to www.livingcosmos.com]
[link to www.answersingenesis.org]

It just seems legit


But I'm not an astronomer :P
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Isn't that the one that says we should all be dead by now due to CW Leonis's magnetic influence on the Earth? The CW Leonis that is still somewhere around 400 light years away?

I don't think that theory worked out very well either.
 Quoting: TBar1984


Is it even possible to detect how far out CW Leonis is? I had read from a credible source that we wouldn't be able to measure it's distance if it were moving directly toward us?
 Quoting: Pangn

False. It would still show massive (as far as telescopes are concerned) amounts of parallax if it were near our solar system.
 Quoting: Astromut


Here's the source I read the information from:
[link to endgametime.wordpress.com]
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Well, it's wrong.
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SIGNS IN THE MOON...THE STARS...THE HEAVENS

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Have to agree...I do think we still have a ways to go, but shit's been getting weird lately!
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this is about the lunar core and mantle. what does this have to do with the other abstract? how are you trying to make a connection besides the fact they both are about aspects of the moon? these authours are not hypothosizing about the moon's eccentric orbit.
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I don't have time to babysit you through the paper. That's where the ArXiv paper got the lunar laser ranging data. The paper IS about the lunar interior, that's what I've been trying to tell you; the people who discovered the anomalous change in eccentricity hypothesize that it is due to an inadequate understanding of the lunar interior. The arXiv paper doesn't even address that possibility, let alone rule it out, it was simply looking at it from the perspective of an outside perturber and found that to be an unrealistic explanation.
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Why has it taken from August till now for anyone to notice this?
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It *HAS* been noticed .. here and other places. Do you really think that a scientist stating "A potentially viable Newtonian candidate would be a trans-Plutonian massive object (Planet X/Nemesis/Tyche)" would go unnoticed?

Where ya been???
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Isn't that the one that says we should all be dead by now due to CW Leonis's magnetic influence on the Earth? The CW Leonis that is still somewhere around 400 light years away?

I don't think that theory worked out very well either.
 Quoting: TBar1984


Is it even possible to detect how far out CW Leonis is? I had read from a credible source that we wouldn't be able to measure it's distance if it were moving directly toward us?
 Quoting: Pangn

False. It would still show massive (as far as telescopes are concerned) amounts of parallax if it were near our solar system.
 Quoting: Astromut


Here's the source I read the information from:
[link to endgametime.wordpress.com]

They linked the following two articles

[link to www.livingcosmos.com]
[link to www.answersingenesis.org]

It just seems legit

But I'm not an astronomer :P
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CW Leonis is a very large and well studied Star. If it were approaching, it would be very obvious to anyone making observations. The best estimation is it's around 250 Solar radii [link to en.wikipedia.org]
It would be very difficult to miss something 250 times as large as the Sun. I don't think you would need a telescope...
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it is interesting that a scientific abstract actually CONSIDERED "planet x"
that , in and of itself, is interesting.
 Quoting: Pink Cat with a Telephone Hat

Astronomers have been hunting for Planet X for a 150 years.
It's one of the things you check for.


Ummm

Why is it ALWAYS and ONLY

Cornell University that makes these claims?
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Cornell makes no claims.
Cornell graciously hosts ArXiv, a site where scientists from the world over can pre-publish their papers.
It's done partly to be able to call dibs, partly to get input from other scientists.
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this is about the lunar core and mantle. what does this have to do with the other abstract? how are you trying to make a connection besides the fact they both are about aspects of the moon? these authours are not hypothosizing about the moon's eccentric orbit.
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I don't have time to babysit you through the paper. That's where the ArXiv paper got the lunar laser ranging data. The paper IS about the lunar interior, that's what I've been trying to tell you; the people who discovered the anomalous change in eccentricity hypothesize that it is due to an inadequate understanding of the lunar interior. The arXiv paper doesn't even address that possibility, let alone rule it out, it was simply looking at it from the perspective of an outside perturber and found that to be an unrealistic explanation.
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that's right, the arXiv paper does not address that possibility.
therefore, we are not talking about that.
but that is what you want. to derail the thread.

they brought up planet X as a theory.
this is a fact.
that is all.
i question any person who claims to have scientific credibility not to have an open mind to this. which is what the paper said, it was OPEN.
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Wow!
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Well, got this seconds ago via Twitter from Dutchsince




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THIS IS OLD FUCKING NEWS....
why are you trying to make it appear to be some new unreleased hidden material?

and btw, dutchsince is a solid fucking fraud.
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i question any person who claims to have scientific credibility not to have an open mind to this. which is what the paper said, it was OPEN.
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So?

Plenty of questions remain open.
The point it that Dutchsince claims this paper is evidence of his Magical Mystery Planet™, while the paper SPECIFICALLY excludes such an explanation.
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this is about the lunar core and mantle. what does this have to do with the other abstract? how are you trying to make a connection besides the fact they both are about aspects of the moon? these authours are not hypothosizing about the moon's eccentric orbit.
 Quoting: Pink Cat with a Telephone Hat


I don't have time to babysit you through the paper. That's where the ArXiv paper got the lunar laser ranging data. The paper IS about the lunar interior, that's what I've been trying to tell you; the people who discovered the anomalous change in eccentricity hypothesize that it is due to an inadequate understanding of the lunar interior. The arXiv paper doesn't even address that possibility, let alone rule it out, it was simply looking at it from the perspective of an outside perturber and found that to be an unrealistic explanation.
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that's right, the arXiv paper does not address that possibility.
therefore, we are not talking about that.
 Quoting: Pink Cat with a Telephone Hat

Wow, that's not how things work in a sane world. You just admitted you will not accept any discussion of any possibility completely ignored by a second hand group of researchers, particularly when it was the hypothesis put forth by the actual researchers who found it to begin with.
they brought up planet X as a theory.
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And then ruled it out as unrealistic...
i question any person who claims to have scientific credibility not to have an open mind to this.
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You claim I do not have an open mind, yet I read the ArXiv paper, saw how it ruled out the external perturber hypothesis as unrealistic, tested it myself, found it unrealistic myself, and ended up agreeing that that was not the explanation. Unlike you, I also looked to the actual researchers who discovered it and found what they had to say about it... and found it infinitely more plausible. That makes me more open minded than you.
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man i have to reed, i need dutch to make a movie and explain it to me.
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i hate reeding (reading)*
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can you suck your own dick?
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would they be online here if they could??
would you??....no you both would have sore necks and chapped lips
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There also remains an even bigger and more important question ­ what happens if they disturb the Moon's orbit? Few people alive today remember what NASA said when the spent Lunar Landers were ejected and crashed into the Moon. NASA stated that the seismograph instruments the Apollo crew left behind showed that after a Lunar Lander crashed into the Moon, that it "made the Moon ring like a bell for more than 30 minutes." Would this same thing happen if the Moon were made of solid rock?

The Lunar Lander ascent stage weighed just 10,334kg. which is about the equivalent weight of an 11 ton truck.

The mass of the Moon has been calculated to be 7.36 1022 kilograms. That's a 7.36 followed by 22 zeroes.

So how could an 11 ton spacecraft, which weighs even less on the Moon because gravity is 1/6 that of Earth - make 7,360,000,000,000,000,000,000 kilograms of rock ring for half an hour? Who could believe this?

This appears to strongly prove the Moon MUST be hollow. And if the Moon is actually hollow, it will take far less to disturb its orbit than anyone currently realizes. How many millions of kilograms of force will bombing the Moon generate? We are not being told that figure.

Disturbing the Moon's orbit may cause tidal waves and quite possibly Earthquakes in many zones around the Earth where edges of tectonic plates are already at or near the breaking point of sliding. The stress caused by a sudden shift in the Moon's gravitational pull could be a serious catastrophe. Who knows what it might do to the Yellowstonesuper-volcano which is already heating up and has made larger areas of Yellowstone park unusable.


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Re: DUTCHSINSE — Moon verified to be out of place — ‘Lunar Anomaly’ — Planet X / Tyche / Nemesis would have to be 30AU
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Re: DUTCHSINSE — Moon verified to be out of place — ‘Lunar Anomaly’ — Planet X / Tyche / Nemesis would have to be 30AU
This damn dwarf always gets debunked. Whaaaaaaaaaa!!
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