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DUTCHSINSE — Moon verified to be out of place — ‘Lunar Anomaly’ — Planet X / Tyche / Nemesis would have to be 30AU

 
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I wish the PX woo²s would come up with new stuff instead of monotonously reposting BS that's already been addressed and debunked dozens, sometimes thousands, of times.

I also wish they'd learn to read or lay off the technical stuff that is obviously over their heads and like a foreign language to them.

Can any woo² explain what the paper actually says and the implications for an undiscovered large object?

Didn't think so.

Here's a hint - Eccentricity is one of the variables that define the shape of an orbit. In other words, a change in e merely means the orbit is stretched or flattened by a certain amount.

Capiche?

I and others calculated the secular increase in e discussed in the papers. de/dt = 3.5 millimeters per year.
Considering the moon is receding from us at about 25mm/year it seems pretty inconsequential except to scientists who view even this microscopic unmodelled secular change as evidence that there may be something to be discovered about the interior of the moon, however prosaic, uninteresting, and mundane it might be.

It would take over a hundred years for the moon to be "off" by 1 foot from where it was expected.
That makes NibbleU The Destroyer quite the piker when it comes to disrupting orbits, doesn't it? PX's kung-fu is very, very weak to the point of being nonexistant.

Here's another hint - Getting your scientific information from science rubes on RubeTube is like getting your investment advice from the rock at the end of your driveway.

Read the old threads on this topic and engage your brains.

PXers... making fools of themselves on the internet for the past 15+ years.


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It's mostly because the astronomers refuse to factor in electrical charge, which is millions of times stronger than gravity. Change the electrical parameters of one of the players, such as the solar system passing through a region of higher conductivity.


Electromagnetic Plasma current forces prevail through out the universe. Gravity may well just be a derived product of the EM -- that plasma shapes things in the Macro scale while gravity shapes in the micro, yet EM shapes in the nano and pico and even femi and atto scales..

And then there is only now starting to be some understanding of Zero Point Energy as a real thing in terms of Stochastic Electro-Dynamics theory (SED) (an alternative to QED)...

SED can even allow for planetary bodies to gain mass (matter) from within them besides the usual mass accretion by space dust fall out, and do so in a sort of freezing-in of virtual particles into this non-virtual state.

Its it time to throw off the welding glass blinders of the early 20th Century Scientific dogma and start really looking at each and every 'anomaly' anew instead of just ignoring them and pretending we have it all figured out. This is especially true where the popular science journalists are concerned.. for too long they and the textbooks have been promoting scientific theories that have long since been disproved.. or that remain problematic in the main, and promoted them as if they are Science-Fact.

It is a much more dynamic universe that the cold gravitational world of Newton's virtual reality gravity theories. Its not a two body gravitational problem, nor an N-Body problem unless you include the gravitational force of every single sub-atomic particle in existence.. Newton created a virtual reality of a space fully devoid of all energy except matter's gravitational force, and He was not really all that satisfied with his own solutions.

Most of the so-called 'greats' of Science were themselves not very satisfied at all with their own theories..

Its time for that sort of human-idol worship in science to stop... and to get back to real science.

It is quite possible that even the speed of light is not constant after all.. change the permeability and permittivity of 'free space' and you change the speed of light... Zero Point Energy could be an addition of energy to free space which then changes these two factors as the Universe as a whole gets more and more energy. As more energy is added to the Universe the speed of light continues to slow down further. Perhaps in the past the speed of light was much faster than we think? Perhaps the Second Law of Thermal Dynamics is completely in error after all.
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quoting from elsewhere on the web on a similar subject:

<snip the house-wiring theory of the universe lunacy>

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1004735


That big, bad, powerful electrical charge effect is pretty weak if it only causes microscopic deviations from the gravity model don't you think?

How would they explain that we've modelled the orbit so precisely that we can detect unexpected deviations at the part per hundred billion level?
They never explain what problem their looney concept solves and how it produces a better model.

In fact, they never produce a model of their own, at all.

I wonder why that is?


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Thread: *** Moon orbit is wrong according to Cornell University *** PIN

Decent sized thread about this from a few months back.

Thread: Cornell University: Moon Orbit Wrong

and another one...

:)

Peace and love guys.
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Yes, it's another case of this;



Again, that paper refers to a Known anomaly of 6 Millimeters a YEAR. It can be seen on page 22 here: [link to astrometric.sai.msu.ru]

At 6 Millimeters a Year, it will be a very long time before the Eclipses forecast decades ago will suffer any degradation.
 Quoting: TBar1984


the point for me is they use the name planet x, explain that away. please.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5432156


Moving the entire mass of the Moon 6mm a year is A LOT of energy.

F = M x A

MASS: 7.36 x 10^22 kilograms
ACCELERATION: 0.006 mm/year
0.00000000019012 meter/sec

F = 13,992,832,000,000 newton

Almost 14 Trillion Newtons of Force on the Moon. Which is certainly effecting the Earth as well.

It MAY seem like nothing until you look at the scope of things.
 Quoting: Voltaic Manifesti


Thats exactly what I was thinking, LOL, no seriously, thanks for doing the calcs, I knew the other statement about it only being 6mm was off base
Spread the word, change the collective conscious......
THERE IS MORE THAN ENOUGH OF EVERYTHING TO GO AROUND

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what a fuckin troll that's what happens when we change seasons
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Thats exactly what I was thinking, LOL, no seriously, thanks for doing the calcs, I knew the other statement about it only being 6mm was off base
 Quoting: Isis One


Too bad the calculation is laughably wrong.
But that's to be expected from PXers... getting everything wrong for decades.

"Soon!"
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Nibiroo is 300 billion AU from earth. Look up for a minute while it hits you in the groin like a 90 mph fast ball. sfan
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Thats exactly what I was thinking, LOL, no seriously, thanks for doing the calcs, I knew the other statement about it only being 6mm was off base
 Quoting: Isis One


Too bad the calculation is laughably wrong.
But that's to be expected from PXers... getting everything wrong for decades.

"Soon!"
snicker.


R.
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What would be the correct calculation then and what is a PXer please?
Spread the word, change the collective conscious......
THERE IS MORE THAN ENOUGH OF EVERYTHING TO GO AROUND

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quoting from elsewhere on the web on a similar subject:

<snip the house-wiring theory of the universe lunacy>

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1004735


That big, bad, powerful electrical charge effect is pretty weak if it only causes microscopic deviations from the gravity model don't you think?

How would they explain that we've modelled the orbit so precisely that we can detect unexpected deviations at the part per hundred billion level?
They never explain what problem their looney concept solves and how it produces a better model.

In fact, they never produce a model of their own, at all.

I wonder why that is?


R.
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Try getting a book published that goes against the mainstream thought of the day, just like when someone challenged them in the past, they get burned as a heretic. Nowadays we just get burned on the forums, as you witness to. Or don't get published. It's that easy, can't you see?
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Everyone can get a book published.

Stop whining and start providing evidence.
That's all the EUers need to do to be taken serious.
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"The original authors who reported the finding hypothesized that it is simply due to the internal dynamics of the moon which are not yet fully capable of being modeled."

reference please.
 Quoting: Pink Cat with a Telephone Hat

[link to cddis.gsfc.nasa.gov]
 Quoting: Astromut


So you telling me that being visually not detectable, but the laser they bounce off the moon detecting the difference of a few centremeters is not significant?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1345673

A few centimeters of 38+ years is pretty damn good accuracy of prediction. It does mean that further study of the moon's interior and possibly tidal forces/heating are needed. Amazing how quickly the argument changed when I provided a reference.
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Thats exactly what I was thinking, LOL, no seriously, thanks for doing the calcs, I knew the other statement about it only being 6mm was off base
 Quoting: Isis One


Too bad the calculation is laughably wrong.
But that's to be expected from PXers... getting everything wrong for decades.

"Soon!"
snicker.

R.
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What would be the correct calculation then and what is a PXer please?
 Quoting: Isis One

That would be this one from above [link to cddis.gsfc.nasa.gov]

A PXer is a Planet Xer.
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''Moon flip and west to east and back to west all in 3 hours

video from Auckland

[link to www.youtube.com]
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11.11.11 very large setting moon (looks strange)

video

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Dutchsinse is the new Isaac Newton
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11.11.11 moon over auckland

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What would be the correct calculation then and what is a PXer please?
 Quoting: Isis One


The correct calculation is pretty complex and involves something called The Calculus.

Here's just a possible starting point:
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Then, using the relationships from Mechanics one could plug through it finding the Work done to the system and from that the Force applied.

How fluent are you in mathematics?

Not very if you didn't see the laughable error in this, from the poster you were thanking:
"F = M x A
MASS: 7.36 x 10^22 kilograms
ACCELERATION: 0.006 mm/year
0.00000000019012 meter/sec
F = 13,992,832,000,000 newton"

Do you not see the outrageous error that would make a high school student blush?
Hint - Look at the units... something shows the poster doesn't know the basic definitions of the variables he's using.

A PXer is a Planet X'er. A person with an irrational belief in Nibiru/PX/whatever based on internet "research" from sites written by people equally clueless and scientifically illiterate and innumerate.

GLP used to be infested with PXers but since 2003-2004 the population went into steep decline and even now some of the old timers will post that they've given up and are somewhat embarrased at having been snookered by the hoax. Some still bellieve even after a decade and thousands of failures. It's essentially a religion to them. The only others that are promoting it are newbies and scammers/hoaxers who have something to sell or are looking for website hits.

It wasn't even an amusing child's story.

The score at this point is:
Scientists/Rationalists/Debunkers = 1000000
PXers = 0

hth


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Everyone can get a book published.

Stop whining and start providing evidence.
That's all the EUers need to do to be taken serious.
book
 Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD


Well I always wanted to know, wow exactly does heat get to the earth from the sun? Thanks in advance. I'm not being sarcastic, but seems like you're a smart guy who can tell me. I mean I'm just quoting someone else above, not my thoughts. But I do think EU has some merit, as well as not getting published from all the pressure and domination going on currently, reason why I'm asking the question now. Thought that space is a vacuum and heat needs a medium.
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[link to www.google.com]


Well worth a look
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Is it even possible to detect how far out CW Leonis is? I had read from a credible source that we wouldn't be able to measure it's distance if it were moving directly toward us?
 Quoting: Pangn

False. It would still show massive (as far as telescopes are concerned) amounts of parallax if it were near our solar system.
 Quoting: Astromut


Here's the source I read the information from:
[link to endgametime.wordpress.com]

They linked the following two articles

[link to www.livingcosmos.com]
[link to www.answersingenesis.org]

It just seems legit

But I'm not an astronomer :P
 Quoting: Pangn

CW Leonis is a very large and well studied Star. If it were approaching, it would be very obvious to anyone making observations. The best estimation is it's around 250 Solar radii [link to en.wikipedia.org]
It would be very difficult to miss something 250 times as large as the Sun. I don't think you would need a telescope...
 Quoting: TBar1984


That's what I thought, but wasn't sure it would matter if it's slow moving or so far out, it wouldn't be here for millions of years. Thats mainly why the article i sourced amazed me, that and cw leonis is one of my favorite things in space... Its facinating. This is pangn btw, for whatever reason I can't get my iPod to log me in.
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11.11.11 moon over auckland

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 Quoting: Tauranga


Another typical doomer thing...... It's always Auckland, Cornell university, and some guy on YouTube lol
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Try getting a book published that goes against the mainstream thought of the day, just like when someone challenged them in the past, they get burned as a heretic. Nowadays we just get burned on the forums, as you witness to. Or don't get published. It's that easy, can't you see?
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Nice evasion.

Where's that model that is as good or better than the gravity model?
What problems does it solve that are tormenting the standard model?

This is how science works.

Just saying that the clockwork of celestial mechanics is explained by your new Peanut Butter and Banana Theory doesn't cut it. Any loon can come up with any crazy "theory" to explain the workings of nature... and they do. We've got the EU loonies, the Cubic Sun loonies, the Photon Belt loonies, the Time Cube loonies, etc.

Any drooling idiot can pop off whatever illucid blather they want as an "alternative theory" for something. The problem is that they are all the same. The loonies never produce a testable theory which models the natural phenomena they purport to be explaining. It's always just page after page of illucid, unscientific prose which never produces a model which can be tested.

IOW it's all just blather from morons.

Now, what problem in the standard model does EU purport to explain and let's see the model. Remember, the "new" model has to explain everything that is already known while at the same time doing it better than the current model.

EU will never get there.
Don't believe me? Have the EUers show you their model for celestial mechanics which is more accurate than the gravity model. They haven't even got the first equation written after all these years.

It goes in the trash can.


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11.11.11 moon over auckland

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 Quoting: Tauranga


Another typical doomer thing...... It's always Auckland, Cornell university, and some guy on YouTube lol
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3243601


Um where was the doom?

It just happened to be a full moon on the 11th.

Why is that doom?

Perhaps you dont realise that nz and other low southern hemisphere places get a unique view that you are unable to see where you are.
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Try getting a book published that goes against the mainstream thought of the day, just like when someone challenged them in the past, they get burned as a heretic. Nowadays we just get burned on the forums, as you witness to. Or don't get published. It's that easy, can't you see?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1004735


Nice evasion.

Where's that model that is as good or better than the gravity model?
What problems does it solve that are tormenting the standard model?

This is how science works.

Just saying that the clockwork of celestial mechanics is explained by your new Peanut Butter and Banana Theory doesn't cut it. Any loon can come up with any crazy "theory" to explain the workings of nature... and they do. We've got the EU loonies, the Cubic Sun loonies, the Photon Belt loonies, the Time Cube loonies, etc.

Any drooling idiot can pop off whatever illucid blather they want as an "alternative theory" for something. The problem is that they are all the same. The loonies never produce a testable theory which models the natural phenomena they purport to be explaining. It's always just page after page of illucid, unscientific prose which never produces a model which can be tested.

IOW it's all just blather from morons.

Now, what problem in the standard model does EU purport to explain and let's see the model. Remember, the "new" model has to explain everything that is already known while at the same time doing it better than the current model.

EU will never get there.
Don't believe me? Have the EUers show you their model for celestial mechanics which is more accurate than the gravity model. They haven't even got the first equation written after all these years.

It goes in the trash can.


R.
 Quoting: Reality420


if you can put this in the trash can, that'll be pretty big of you:

[link to www.holoscience.com]
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if you can put this in the trash can, that'll be pretty big of you:

[link to www.holoscience.com]
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Illucid prose. Where's the model?
Have the toaster repairman give you something that mathematically describes a planet's orbit within the EU "model". You know we'll make it easy - something like Kepler and Newton produced hundreds of years ago.

I don't want words to the effect that "The Peanut Butter causes planets to orbit in ellipses and the Bananas cause them to conserve energy."

I want some equations that produce verifiable orbits that are as incredibly precise as what is now produced by the standard model.

I won't hold my breath.

In the trash can.


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Try getting a book published that goes against the mainstream thought of the day, just like when someone challenged them in the past, they get burned as a heretic. Nowadays we just get burned on the forums, as you witness to. Or don't get published. It's that easy, can't you see?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1004735


Nice evasion.

Where's that model that is as good or better than the gravity model?
What problems does it solve that are tormenting the standard model?

This is how science works.

Just saying that the clockwork of celestial mechanics is explained by your new Peanut Butter and Banana Theory doesn't cut it. Any loon can come up with any crazy "theory" to explain the workings of nature... and they do. We've got the EU loonies, the Cubic Sun loonies, the Photon Belt loonies, the Time Cube loonies, etc.

Any drooling idiot can pop off whatever illucid blather they want as an "alternative theory" for something. The problem is that they are all the same. The loonies never produce a testable theory which models the natural phenomena they purport to be explaining. It's always just page after page of illucid, unscientific prose which never produces a model which can be tested.

IOW it's all just blather from morons.

Now, what problem in the standard model does EU purport to explain and let's see the model. Remember, the "new" model has to explain everything that is already known while at the same time doing it better than the current model.

EU will never get there.
Don't believe me? Have the EUers show you their model for celestial mechanics which is more accurate than the gravity model. They haven't even got the first equation written after all these years.

It goes in the trash can.


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if you can put this in the trash can, that'll be pretty big of you:

[link to www.holoscience.com]
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Great link thank you
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if you can put this in the trash can, that'll be pretty big of you:

[link to www.holoscience.com]
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Illucid prose. Where's the model?
Have the toaster repairman give you something that mathematically describes a planet's orbit within the EU "model". You know we'll make it easy - something like Kepler and Newton produced hundreds of years ago.

I don't want words to the effect that "The Peanut Butter causes planets to orbit in ellipses and the Bananas cause them to conserve energy."

I want some equations that produce verifiable orbits that are as incredibly precise as what is now produced by the standard model.

I won't hold my breath.

In the trash can.


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Still waiting. Until you can give us the caliber of the link, don't bother.
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Re: DUTCHSINSE — Moon verified to be out of place — ‘Lunar Anomaly’ — Planet X / Tyche / Nemesis would have to be 30AU
Well I always wanted to know, how exactly does heat get to the earth from the sun? Thanks in advance.

Thought that space is a vacuum and heat needs a medium.
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This would explain why you'd even consider the EU BS. No offense, but you must realise you haven't even a basic understanding of physics which makes you a target for all the crackpots with their idiotic "theories". They know even less than you in many cases. They just produce reams of words but nothing anyone could call "science". They're actually called stories. Fantasy stories. Bad science fiction.

Heat from EM doesn't need a medium for transfer. It's very happy to transfer through a vacuum. In fact, there's no better medium for radiative transfer.

The heat from the sun (and your stove, and the fire, and ...) is trasferred via photons. When they finally hit matter they may (or may not) transfer their energy to the matter thereby heating it.

Radio is similar. That is why radio communication in space is possible. It's all done with photons.

This is basic, basic, stuff. No fault of yours, you just never studied it and your interests were in a different direction.


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