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Ohwell User ID: 1130828 United Kingdom 11/17/2011 02:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: DUTCHSINSE — Moon verified to be out of place — ‘Lunar Anomaly’ — Planet X / Tyche / Nemesis would have to be 30AU Excuses, excuses... Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD Just admit you are not interested in testing your ideas. If you really believed your life depended on it what effort could be too great? You know, your life also depends on radiation, cyclones, earthquakes, financial collapse, economic armageddon, martial law, infections etc. I bet you are experts in all those areas as well, eh? You will not only buy telescopes, but set up a laboratory, know about chemical and biological agents, know about derivatives and financial instruments and the complexity of their operations. You have a lot to learn still about life and please learn to see the world through other people's eyes. You can't put your eyes in many places at the same time. Last Edited by Ohwell on 11/17/2011 02:08 PM |
Astromut Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 4211721 United States 11/17/2011 02:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: DUTCHSINSE — Moon verified to be out of place — ‘Lunar Anomaly’ — Planet X / Tyche / Nemesis would have to be 30AU I bet those that can't afford to don't deserve to know if any harm is coming their way and deserve to die? Quoting: Ohwell No excuses. [link to www.astronomyclubs.co.uk] [link to www.uk-astronomy.co.uk] There are many, many amateur astronomers out there with great equipment and knowledge that they'd be happy to share with you. |
Ohwell User ID: 1130828 United Kingdom 11/17/2011 02:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: DUTCHSINSE — Moon verified to be out of place — ‘Lunar Anomaly’ — Planet X / Tyche / Nemesis would have to be 30AU I bet those that can't afford to don't deserve to know if any harm is coming their way and deserve to die? Quoting: Ohwell No excuses. [link to www.astronomyclubs.co.uk] [link to www.uk-astronomy.co.uk] There are many, many amateur astronomers out there with great equipment and knowledge that they'd be happy to share with you. This is just what I'm saying. Some can only RELY on data provided to do their own assessment.Your fella up there seem to live in a perfect world. |
Astromut Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 4211721 United States 11/17/2011 02:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: DUTCHSINSE — Moon verified to be out of place — ‘Lunar Anomaly’ — Planet X / Tyche / Nemesis would have to be 30AU I bet those that can't afford to don't deserve to know if any harm is coming their way and deserve to die? Quoting: Ohwell No excuses. [link to www.astronomyclubs.co.uk] [link to www.uk-astronomy.co.uk] There are many, many amateur astronomers out there with great equipment and knowledge that they'd be happy to share with you. This is just what I'm saying. Some can only RELY on data provided to do their own assessment.Your fella up there seem to live in a perfect world. Go to a star party and you can see it all for yourself. If you seriously doubt the data provided by amateur astronomers, which is beyond paranoid IMHO, then go see it for yourself first hand. If you ask nicely they might even let you take a few pictures through their scopes yourself and then it'll be your data. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 5481399 United States 11/17/2011 02:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: DUTCHSINSE — Moon verified to be out of place — ‘Lunar Anomaly’ — Planet X / Tyche / Nemesis would have to be 30AU The opinions I provide are backed up with factual data. It might be true and it might not be. Quoting: ohwellI deal in empirical data and facts, if it's not true, show me where it's not true... It doesn't mean you are crazy or a liar. Quoting: ohwellIf it's not true then, yes, it would mean I was a liar. Its my fault if I believe what you say without any available data to back up your claims and opinions. Quoting: ohwellWhich is why I always supply data to back up my claims and opinions. Asstrobut gets his facts from Nasa=government run, or other government agencies and scientists, He only believes what Nasa tells him. That makes him totally discredited. Can you believe anything the government says if most of what they say is a lie? |
Reality420 User ID: 4383253 United States 11/17/2011 02:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: DUTCHSINSE — Moon verified to be out of place — ‘Lunar Anomaly’ — Planet X / Tyche / Nemesis would have to be 30AU I bet those that can't afford to don't deserve to know if any harm is coming their way and deserve to die? Quoting: Ohwell No excuses. [link to www.astronomyclubs.co.uk] [link to www.uk-astronomy.co.uk] There are many, many amateur astronomers out there with great equipment and knowledge that they'd be happy to share with you. This is just what I'm saying. Some can only RELY on data provided to do their own assessment.Your fella up there seem to live in a perfect world. So get an education. Do you think I, or anyone on this board, have an xray spectrometer out in the garage? A particle accelerator in the basement? We may have access to some pretty cool tools at work, but we don't own them. What we do have is an education. With that knowledge we can pretty accurately determine if someone is blowing smoke or if the results they're reporting make sense. We depend on the experts for information in areas outside our specialties. For example - comet xrays. Our 92km of atmosphere is opaque to xrays and gamma rays. They never reach the ground. (I don't know what the sunflaretards are worrying about and I don't have the stomach to go into their threads.) So without a high altitude balloon or a satellite, we have to depend on the expert to provide the data. But with our knowledge it isn't hard to determine whether the reported results and stated implications make sense. As Dylan said, "Twenty years of schoolin' and they put you on the day shift." So when they say they detected xrays at certain energy levels and that means they were formed in this manner from this species we can actually apply our knowledge of QM and see that 'Yep, those are the energy lines that should be present if a p-electron cascades to the s orbital in this species.' No equipment needed except what's between your ears. We all depend on the expertise of others quite a bit. You just have to educate yourself enough so you're not ignorant of the field you're studying and can rapidly identify kOOks and frauds. That applies to your auto mechanic, your accountant, everybody from whom you require expertise because there isn't enough time in a lifetime to be an expert in everything. But you don't have to be. You just have to have enough knowledge to pick reliable sources of information- i.e.: experts. You won't find them on kOOk websites or Rubetube vids made by high school dropouts. But if you demand that everything be dumbed down so that you can be an expert at everything, you're headed back to the stone age; but I'm not even sure if mankinds knowledge was so limited back then that one man could be expert at everything. And life would be quite boring if you knew everything. There are other smart people in the world you know, who have accomplished a lot in their life that you don't have time to learn. It's a situation everyone on earth is stuck with. Get used to it. R. |
Astromut Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 4211721 United States 11/17/2011 02:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: DUTCHSINSE — Moon verified to be out of place — ‘Lunar Anomaly’ — Planet X / Tyche / Nemesis would have to be 30AU Asstrobut gets his facts from Nasa=government run, Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5481399 or other government agencies and scientists, He only believes what Nasa tells him. That makes him totally discredited. Wow, it's truly staggering how wrong you are. I stand in awe of your fail. I collect my own data, don't get mad at me if it happens to confirm what the government already told you... Thread: Validation of 2005 YU55's Trajectory Through the Earth-Moon System on 11/8 |
F=ma User ID: 4437172 United States 11/17/2011 03:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: DUTCHSINSE — Moon verified to be out of place — ‘Lunar Anomaly’ — Planet X / Tyche / Nemesis would have to be 30AU Yeah but can everyone devote their time and life to learning and collecting info on astronomy? At the end of the day, most people are only going to rely on collected data to form an opinion. Quoting: Ohwell So? Stop being a sheeple and do the work. The world is perfect in your little world. You somehow assume everyone has $500 or more to buy the kit for them to view the stars. I bet those that can't afford to don't deserve to know if any harm is coming their way and deserve to die? Not everyone lives in the Netherlands you know. Like I said, the best some can do is to assess the information provided and hope the data is reliable enough for them to make a good judgement from it. Not that they can't do the home work, some can't afford to cause of their busy lifestyles or their profession doesn't allow for it. Join an astronomy club. There are many across the country and probably one near you Last Edited by F=ma on 11/17/2011 03:07 PM F=ma |
F=ma User ID: 4437172 United States 11/17/2011 03:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: DUTCHSINSE — Moon verified to be out of place — ‘Lunar Anomaly’ — Planet X / Tyche / Nemesis would have to be 30AU The opinions I provide are backed up with factual data. It might be true and it might not be. Quoting: ohwellI deal in empirical data and facts, if it's not true, show me where it's not true... It doesn't mean you are crazy or a liar. Quoting: ohwellIf it's not true then, yes, it would mean I was a liar. Its my fault if I believe what you say without any available data to back up your claims and opinions. Quoting: ohwellWhich is why I always supply data to back up my claims and opinions. Asstrobut gets his facts from Nasa=government run, or other government agencies and scientists, He only believes what Nasa tells him. That makes him totally discredited. Can you believe anything the government says if most of what they say is a lie? So, prove where someone lied. That should be easy for you based on your statements. F=ma |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 5569384 United Kingdom 11/17/2011 03:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: DUTCHSINSE — Moon verified to be out of place — ‘Lunar Anomaly’ — Planet X / Tyche / Nemesis would have to be 30AU Well, got this seconds ago via Twitter from Dutchsince Quoting: IwantToBelieve76 [link to adsabs.harvard.edu] Download PDF here: [link to arxiv.org] "Dutchsince:" They explain in this paper from Cornell University that THEY CANNOT EXPLAIN why the moon is showing an “accelerating phenomenon”. They do calculations based upon the location of “X” .. X being the distant point where the supposed “planet x / nemesis / tyche” is located. This paper acknowledges two things.. ReadMore: [link to sincedutch.wordpress.com] I KNEW it! The MOON is spinning faster, especially after "YU-55" passed along. My sources had indicated to me that the "asteroid" was meant to pass between Earth and Moon in order to accelerate the magnetic (gravitational) spin of the moon and thus the Earth. This is NOT a GOOD thing, I've decided. And you might have guessed that the "asteroid" is actually directed... 55. Are you american that fucking thick to think the moon spin , my god what a bunch of stupid moronic useless retards you really are. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 5569384 United Kingdom 11/17/2011 03:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: DUTCHSINSE — Moon verified to be out of place — ‘Lunar Anomaly’ — Planet X / Tyche / Nemesis would have to be 30AU Well, got this seconds ago via Twitter from Dutchsince Quoting: IwantToBelieve76 [link to adsabs.harvard.edu] Download PDF here: [link to arxiv.org] "Dutchsince:" They explain in this paper from Cornell University that THEY CANNOT EXPLAIN why the moon is showing an “accelerating phenomenon”. They do calculations based upon the location of “X” .. X being the distant point where the supposed “planet x / nemesis / tyche” is located. This paper acknowledges two things.. ReadMore: [link to sincedutch.wordpress.com] I KNEW it! The MOON is spinning faster, especially after "YU-55" passed along. My sources had indicated to me that the "asteroid" was meant to pass between Earth and Moon in order to accelerate the magnetic (gravitational) spin of the moon and thus the Earth. This is NOT a GOOD thing, I've decided. And you might have guessed that the "asteroid" is actually directed... 55. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 5481399 United States 11/17/2011 03:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: DUTCHSINSE — Moon verified to be out of place — ‘Lunar Anomaly’ — Planet X / Tyche / Nemesis would have to be 30AU The opinions I provide are backed up with factual data. It might be true and it might not be. Quoting: ohwellI deal in empirical data and facts, if it's not true, show me where it's not true... It doesn't mean you are crazy or a liar. Quoting: ohwellIf it's not true then, yes, it would mean I was a liar. Its my fault if I believe what you say without any available data to back up your claims and opinions. Quoting: ohwellWhich is why I always supply data to back up my claims and opinions. Asstrobut gets his facts from Nasa=government run, or other government agencies and scientists, He only believes what Nasa tells him. That makes him totally discredited. Can you believe anything the government says if most of what they say is a lie? So, prove where someone lied. That should be easy for you based on your statements. Prove the government lied? Your on the wrong site man, fox.com or try Disneyworld.com |
F=ma User ID: 4437172 United States 11/17/2011 03:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: DUTCHSINSE — Moon verified to be out of place — ‘Lunar Anomaly’ — Planet X / Tyche / Nemesis would have to be 30AU ... Quoting: Astromut The opinions I provide are backed up with factual data. ... I deal in empirical data and facts, if it's not true, show me where it's not true... ... If it's not true then, yes, it would mean I was a liar. ... Which is why I always supply data to back up my claims and opinions. Asstrobut gets his facts from Nasa=government run, or other government agencies and scientists, He only believes what Nasa tells him. That makes him totally discredited. Can you believe anything the government says if most of what they say is a lie? So, prove where someone lied. That should be easy for you based on your statements. Prove the government lied? Your on the wrong site man, fox.com or try Disneyworld.com Yes. Prove someone lied. Go ahead. We are waiting. F=ma |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 5481399 United States 11/17/2011 03:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: DUTCHSINSE — Moon verified to be out of place — ‘Lunar Anomaly’ — Planet X / Tyche / Nemesis would have to be 30AU Asstrobut gets his facts from Nasa=government run, Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5481399 or other government agencies and scientists, He only believes what Nasa tells him. That makes him totally discredited. Wow, it's truly staggering how wrong you are. I stand in awe of your fail. I collect my own data, don't get mad at me if it happens to confirm what the government already told you... Thread: Validation of 2005 YU55's Trajectory Through the Earth-Moon System on 11/8 So you really mean in double speak.. "Wow, it's truly staggering how RIGHT you are." And you believe man went to the moon 40+ years ago? Am I RIGHT? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 5481399 United States 11/17/2011 03:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: DUTCHSINSE — Moon verified to be out of place — ‘Lunar Anomaly’ — Planet X / Tyche / Nemesis would have to be 30AU ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5481399 Asstrobut gets his facts from Nasa=government run, or other government agencies and scientists, He only believes what Nasa tells him. That makes him totally discredited. Can you believe anything the government says if most of what they say is a lie? So, prove where someone lied. That should be easy for you based on your statements. Prove the government lied? Your on the wrong site man, fox.com or try Disneyworld.com Yes. Prove someone lied. Go ahead. We are waiting. haha |
Astromut Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 4211721 United States 11/17/2011 03:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: DUTCHSINSE — Moon verified to be out of place — ‘Lunar Anomaly’ — Planet X / Tyche / Nemesis would have to be 30AU So you really mean in double speak.. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5481399 "Wow, it's truly staggering how RIGHT you are." No, I say what I mean. You're completely wrong. I do not simply rely on whatever NASA says. And you believe man went to the moon 40+ years ago? Quoting: ACAm I RIGHT? Of course they did, it was thoroughly verified by independent individuals including amateur astronomers. Amazing how quickly you try to change subjects after being proven wrong. |
F=ma User ID: 4437172 United States 11/17/2011 03:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: DUTCHSINSE — Moon verified to be out of place — ‘Lunar Anomaly’ — Planet X / Tyche / Nemesis would have to be 30AU ... Quoting: F=ma So, prove where someone lied. That should be easy for you based on your statements. Prove the government lied? Your on the wrong site man, fox.com or try Disneyworld.com Yes. Prove someone lied. Go ahead. We are waiting. haha Just as predicted. All mouth, no content F=ma |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 5481399 United States 11/17/2011 04:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: DUTCHSINSE — Moon verified to be out of place — ‘Lunar Anomaly’ — Planet X / Tyche / Nemesis would have to be 30AU So you really mean in double speak.. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5481399 "Wow, it's truly staggering how RIGHT you are." No, I say what I mean. You're completely wrong. I do not simply rely on whatever NASA says. And you believe man went to the moon 40+ years ago? Quoting: ACAm I RIGHT? Of course they did, it was thoroughly verified by independent individuals including amateur astronomers. Amazing how quickly you try to change subjects after being proven wrong. HA! You are completely discredited now. I need not waste any more time with you or should anyone that still thinks for themselves. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 5481399 United States 11/17/2011 04:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: DUTCHSINSE — Moon verified to be out of place — ‘Lunar Anomaly’ — Planet X / Tyche / Nemesis would have to be 30AU ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5481399 Prove the government lied? Your on the wrong site man, fox.com or try Disneyworld.com Yes. Prove someone lied. Go ahead. We are waiting. haha Just as predicted. All mouth, no content Look man I got few mins here. what did you want to know? |
Astromut Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 4211721 United States 11/17/2011 04:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: DUTCHSINSE — Moon verified to be out of place — ‘Lunar Anomaly’ — Planet X / Tyche / Nemesis would have to be 30AU So you really mean in double speak.. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5481399 "Wow, it's truly staggering how RIGHT you are." No, I say what I mean. You're completely wrong. I do not simply rely on whatever NASA says. And you believe man went to the moon 40+ years ago? Quoting: ACAm I RIGHT? Of course they did, it was thoroughly verified by independent individuals including amateur astronomers. Amazing how quickly you try to change subjects after being proven wrong. HA! You are completely discredited now. Because you say so? Sorry bud, that's not how it works. Come back when you can offer something substantive. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 5481399 United States 11/17/2011 04:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: DUTCHSINSE — Moon verified to be out of place — ‘Lunar Anomaly’ — Planet X / Tyche / Nemesis would have to be 30AU So you really mean in double speak.. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5481399 "Wow, it's truly staggering how RIGHT you are." No, I say what I mean. You're completely wrong. I do not simply rely on whatever NASA says. And you believe man went to the moon 40+ years ago? Quoting: ACAm I RIGHT? Of course they did, it was thoroughly verified by independent individuals including amateur astronomers. Amazing how quickly you try to change subjects after being proven wrong. HA! You are completely discredited now. Because you say so? Sorry bud, that's not how it works. Come back when you can offer something substantive. why has no man gone back to the moon in 40+ years? why has no man crossed the van allen belt in 40+ years? answer: cause you can't! and never did! |
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Astromut Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 4211721 United States 11/17/2011 04:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: DUTCHSINSE — Moon verified to be out of place — ‘Lunar Anomaly’ — Planet X / Tyche / Nemesis would have to be 30AU why has no man gone back to the moon in 40+ years? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5481399 why has no man crossed the van allen belt in 40+ years? answer: cause you can't! and never did! We haven't gone back simply because funding was cut. Apollo was incredibly expensive, and the political will to fund it no longer exists. Your argument from incredulity does not constitute anything substantive. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 5481399 United States 11/17/2011 04:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: DUTCHSINSE — Moon verified to be out of place — ‘Lunar Anomaly’ — Planet X / Tyche / Nemesis would have to be 30AU why has no man gone back to the moon in 40+ years? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5481399 why has no man crossed the van allen belt in 40+ years? answer: cause you can't! and never did! Guess the billions of dollars to pay for it never occured to you. Why don't you pay for it then yeah think it was 40 billion, the reason they faked it, 40 billion? pay a mill for a fake movie and pocket the rest you know it's called "Capitalism." BLACK OP shit |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 5481399 United States 11/17/2011 04:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: DUTCHSINSE — Moon verified to be out of place — ‘Lunar Anomaly’ — Planet X / Tyche / Nemesis would have to be 30AU why has no man gone back to the moon in 40+ years? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5481399 why has no man crossed the van allen belt in 40+ years? answer: cause you can't! and never did! We haven't gone back simply because funding was cut. Apollo was incredibly expensive, and the political will to fund it no longer exists. Your argument from incredulity does not constitute anything substantive. ok mut, look at the video from the moon missions and then from the mars missions, see any difference there? the mars vids you have huge scenery backgrounds looking miles in the distance. and the moon? you see maybe at most 300 yards. and the lighting is very dark in background and very bright up close. looks like night time and on mars looks daytime. explain this one please? |
F=ma User ID: 4437172 United States 11/17/2011 04:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: DUTCHSINSE — Moon verified to be out of place — ‘Lunar Anomaly’ — Planet X / Tyche / Nemesis would have to be 30AU why has no man gone back to the moon in 40+ years? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5481399 why has no man crossed the van allen belt in 40+ years? answer: cause you can't! and never did! We haven't gone back simply because funding was cut. Apollo was incredibly expensive, and the political will to fund it no longer exists. Your argument from incredulity does not constitute anything substantive. ok mut, look at the video from the moon missions and then from the mars missions, see any difference there? the mars vids you have huge scenery backgrounds looking miles in the distance. and the moon? you see maybe at most 300 yards. and the lighting is very dark in background and very bright up close. looks like night time and on mars looks daytime. explain this one please? Mars has a substantial atmosphere, and the Moon does not. The atmosphere scatters light and makes the day bright. With not atmosphere the sky would be dark except for the Sun. F=ma |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 5481399 United States 11/17/2011 04:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: DUTCHSINSE — Moon verified to be out of place — ‘Lunar Anomaly’ — Planet X / Tyche / Nemesis would have to be 30AU why has no man gone back to the moon in 40+ years? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5481399 why has no man crossed the van allen belt in 40+ years? answer: cause you can't! and never did! We haven't gone back simply because funding was cut. Apollo was incredibly expensive, and the political will to fund it no longer exists. Your argument from incredulity does not constitute anything substantive. ok mut, look at the video from the moon missions and then from the mars missions, see any difference there? the mars vids you have huge scenery backgrounds looking miles in the distance. and the moon? you see maybe at most 300 yards. and the lighting is very dark in background and very bright up close. looks like night time and on mars looks daytime. explain this one please? Mars has a substantial atmosphere, and the Moon does not. The atmosphere scatters light and makes the day bright. With not atmosphere the sky would be dark except for the Sun. ok thats the official statement on that. what about how you can only see as far as a football field like how far most americans can think? |
UNtypical USer User ID: 4882614 United States 11/17/2011 04:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: DUTCHSINSE — Moon verified to be out of place — ‘Lunar Anomaly’ — Planet X / Tyche / Nemesis would have to be 30AU The Moon has an engine in the lower right quadrant, and two propellors. You didn't know this? check out Google Moon. It's easier to see if you suck the picture into photo software and just increase CONTRAST. It's all too gray. But there it is, right next to the power generator, all those tall tubes of light. EEWC |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 5481399 United States 11/17/2011 04:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: DUTCHSINSE — Moon verified to be out of place — ‘Lunar Anomaly’ — Planet X / Tyche / Nemesis would have to be 30AU why has no man gone back to the moon in 40+ years? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5481399 why has no man crossed the van allen belt in 40+ years? answer: cause you can't! and never did! We haven't gone back simply because funding was cut. Apollo was incredibly expensive, and the political will to fund it no longer exists. Your argument from incredulity does not constitute anything substantive. why did the space shuttle never go past the van allen belt? |