DUTCHSINSE — Moon verified to be out of place — ‘Lunar Anomaly’ — Planet X / Tyche / Nemesis would have to be 30AU

Debunked Nibiru facts ??? lol

Well we all can debunk something if we want to.

Look at our sol system if you tell me that this is just Nature that created the "Unbalance" style then please go back to physics.

And what "facts" do you claim that support the existence of Nibiru?

Just look at sedna, oh i know you debunked that too.

Well look at plutos or Uranus Orbit oh thats normal.
Well then just wait.

Not sure if already posted, but the author of the first arXiv e-print also published this follow-up piece in Astronomical Journal:

"AN EMPIRICAL EXPLANATION OF THE ANOMALOUS INCREASES IN THE ASTRONOMICAL UNIT AND THE LUNAR ECCENTRICITY"

[link to apps.webofknowledge.com]

Just sayin'.

It would really help if you used words to explain your thoughts and not assume people are psychic. I can guess what you are talking about but I would rather not. If you are unable to express yourself maybe you should rethink the whole idea of posting to begin with.

Sedna, what about it? It has an unusual orbit that may be the result of a large, Oort cloud planet. But an Oort cloud planet is not Nibiru. There are no astronomers that say a large Oort cloud planet cannot exist, just that one has not be discovered.

Orbits of Pluto and Uranus, you mean the anomaly that was explaine in 1993? If you are refering to R. S. Harrington's proposed Planet X to explain discrepancies in the orbital predictions of Uranus and Neptune.

[link to articles.adsabs.harvard.edu]

The you should be aware that in 1993 it was resolved that the “anomalies” in the orbits of Uranus and Neptune disappear when the mass of Neptune is corrected to the mass determined by Voyager 2

[link to articles.adsabs.harvard.edu]

It was a simple correction that did not require the existence of another planet. And again, that planet in no way looked like ficticous Nibiru.

But of course you will not accept this because you have no training in science so scientists cannot possibly get it right. Only you can see the "truth".

"But of course you will not accept this because you have no training in science so scientists"

Made me laugh hard for someone that cant use logic if someone throws just a bone for someone so he could chew a bit on it but you just ignore the facts and go back to the old crap that could be "Faked" "Manipulated" or something else.

You live in a world where every source has to be right because they have more IQ then you.

Check again IQ is just a tool to hold you down Mr.Right.

And one more, i could really tell you my deep thought about that kind of crap but it was already talked about years ago and they just forget and let it rott outside.

Senda is the best fact that there are other forces that we don't know about.As some "Scientists" said that Sedna could not exist as the forces of the Sun are to weak to hold Sedna in that kind of orbit.

So you confirm exactly what I said. You know nothing of science and everyone has to be wrong because you have to be right about something.

At no time did I mention anything about faked or manipulated data. This is just a straw man argument on your part.

And you are wrong about Sedna, not suprisingly. What was said about Sedna is that the orbit is unstable and it could not have presisted in its current orbit for very long. It clearly can exist in its current orbit, it is there. So the implication is another, large Oort cloud object kicked Sedna into its present orbit. But neither object is Nibiru. Or do you just use the term Nibiru for anything you do not understand?

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As someone told me i will tell you it too "Only time can show you if you right or wrong.

And as i use other sources and not that kind of crap what you use i can tell you that it will blow your mind.

The only thing mindblowing is the extremes that people go to to support an untenable position. Like you, they offer no real evidence, just lies, misinterpetations, and mistakes. No evidence for Nibiru has ever withstood scrutiny. The only people who accept the evidence are the "true believers" who will not be swayed no matter what. If someone could show reasonable evidence that a planet is in the inner solar system I would have to accept it. You do not have that luxury because you base your belief on lack of evidence.

Oh wait! So you expect the government to tell you the truth about anything? Just like they did with 9/11 and the current financial crisis, which is no more than a myth?

Stick with MSM then, there's loads you can learn from them.

Most of these guys try to connect dots according to their opinions and based on heterogenous data available to them. At least they are trying. You have to make your own truth from many of such information.

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The government has nothign to do with it. The government does not control astronomy .

To "make your own truth" means nothing. Just because you think something is true coes not mean reality will conform to your view.

But other than a rant, you really have nothing to offer

"The government does not control astronomy."

Thanks you made my day.

You can test what they say for yourself...
Thread: Robert Harrington's Planet X Does Not Exist
Thread: Validation of 2005 YU55's Trajectory Through the Earth-Moon System on 11/8
Just a couple of examples. Like F=MA said, the government does not control astronomy.

You are really clueless. I feel sorry for you.

You are unbelievable arrogant.....Are you making sense at all? I am talking about the control of information and not the control of astronomy...Hellooooooo!!!! Is someone at home?

The most well equipped body to tell you something about space happens to be government agencies and even if they know anything for certain, do you expect them to tell you? Individuals that are supplying you information are doing their own bit and probably their best and you often get loads of heterogenous data and information from different sources. Now it is up to you to make sense of all that information if you are interested in it. If you aren't, why are you even on this thread? You've got a brain haven't you? Leave it to those who are interested otherwise contribute something.

Stick with MSM that tells you accurate information for goodness sake. Often when it is too late. Gosh!!!

The markets are collapsing and they are telling you all is fine while some insiders and whistle blowers are saying its all going down. Now it is up to you to make sense of that! Aaaaaargghhh

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goes along with this:

Thread: Controlled Opposition Explained

Dutchsinse = epic fail

what happened with "dutchsinses volcano" ?

fookin google earth archaeologists

oh yea , put some $$ in his PP

pathetic

just saying

massive troll thread anyway, we're in the midst of changing seasons. Of course the moon would shift, just as the earth does with it's axis <--hint

And I'm trying to tell you, they don't have the monopoly on information in astronomy. You can confirm the information for yourself. Getting upset and throwing insults doesn't change that fact.

Yeah, because debunkers never contribute anything... /sarc

See above.

I get your point and this is just what I am saying. It is left to the individual to confirm themselves if its true. Otherwise, one isn't interested and can leave the subject alone.

At the end of the day, you will either have to stick with MSM to supply you accurate information, often when its too late, or sort through loads of information some of these guys supply to make sense of what might or might not happen. Where or who do you expect to supply you with accurate information. If you know them point us in that direction. If you don't, we are all left with living with the information these individuals supply, that is if we are ever interested in them.

The last alternative is to leave the subject all alone and walk away from it all. Both the MSM and the debunkers and you react to nothing.

My reference is to the heterogenous data supplied by people like you. You are doing your best and providing an opinion on something you assess. It might be true and it might not be. It doesn't mean you are crazy or a liar.

Its my fault if I believe what you say without any available data to back up your claims and opinions. So its left to the individual to make sense of what anyone says by analysing the data provided.

Learn astronomy and learn how to critically examine information regardless of its source. It's also a false dilemma since you can collect the information for yourself as I have.

I've found the "evil government" to be a far more reliable source of information than the conspiracy theorists who claim they're lying. That does not mean I accept information from them without critical examination or verification. I am also not dependent on them to supply me with accurate information, I collect my own information as well.

If you're not willing to learn astronomy and how to use it to critically examine sources of astronomical information, I've found these sources consistently give accurate info:
[link to www.minorplanetcenter.net]
[link to ssd.jpl.nasa.gov]

No, not all of us, some of us are willing and able to collect our own information with which to verify or discredit both mainstream and alternative sources of information.

The opinions I provide are backed up with factual data.

I deal in empirical data and facts, if it's not true, show me where it's not true...

If it's not true then, yes, it would mean I was a liar.

Which is why I always supply data to back up my claims and opinions.

Yeah but can everyone devote their time and life to learning and collecting info on astronomy? At the end of the day, most people are only going to rely on collected data to form an opinion. Now its another thing if one wants to verify the data or double check it. You can't blame someone for lying to you...its your fault for believing a lie.

Estimates for the number of amateur astronomers in the US alone is between 200,000 and 500,000

Don't you think it is a bit premature then to insist that something is impossible?
Why don't you hit the books and come back once you understand the things you deny.
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Who is this "we" you speak off?

New and surprising discoveries are made every day.
Kind of the point of research.


If this already bewilders you perhaps best to stay away from astrophysics.
It's not your thing.


IOW, you don't know the answer.
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So?
Stop being a sheeple and do the work.


"Everyone you provides data that conflicts with my opinion must be lying" is not an argument.
It's pure and unadulterated cognitive bias.
I.E. you have no interest in discovering the truth, you prefer to nurture your little paranoid fantasies.
For some reason they comfort you.

So?
Stop being a sheeple and do the work.





The world is perfect in your little world. You somehow assume everyone has $500 or more to buy the kit for them to view the stars. I bet those that can't afford to don't deserve to know if any harm is coming their way and deserve to die? Not everyone lives in the Netherlands you know.

Like I said, the best some can do is to assess the information provided and hope the data is reliable enough for them to make a good judgement from it. Not that they can't do the home work, some can't afford to cause of their busy lifestyles or their profession doesn't allow for it.

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Excuses, excuses...

Just admit you are not interested in testing your ideas.

If you really believed your life depended on it what effort could be too great?