DUTCHSINSE — Moon verified to be out of place — ‘Lunar Anomaly’ — Planet X / Tyche / Nemesis would have to be 30AU

OK....as promised, here are a few of some photos of Mars which show undeniable artificial structures. A pile of rocks is no comparison to the wonders of Mars that are completely ignored by Nasty.

[link to www.livingtree.org]

[link to www.marsanomalyresearch.com]

[link to www.livevideo.com]

I did look up the word, and it substantiates the exact definition I indeed wanted to get across to you. Perhaps it would have been better to have called you a “curmudgeon”. It would appear to best describe your attitude.


shill [shil]
n (plural shills)
1. pretended customer or gambler: an accomplice who pretends to be an interested customer or gambler in order to lure others into buying or gambling
2. self-interested promoter: somebody who promotes somebody else or makes a sales pitch for something for reasons of self-interest

v (past and past participle shilled, present participle shill·ing, 3rd person present singular shills)
1. vi be shill: to be or work as a shill
2. vt promote somebody or something as shill: to promote somebody or make a sales pitch for something using the tactics of a shill

[Early 20th century. Origin ?]

I've been waiting for Foghaze to release the contents of Dr Iorio's paper 'NS_Nibiru_2012_Iorio_010.pdf she mentioned in that video. I tried searching for it online but couldn't find anything. I did find another paper from 2009 where Iorio discussed how far away a 'possible' object would have to be 'given the present-day level of accuracy in knowing....' That paper is here [link to onlinelibrary.wiley.com]
Given the tendencies of the 'YouTube Researchers', they would probably try to claim that this paper 'confirms' the presence of these objects at these distances. They are, "A Mars-sized body can be found at not less than 70–85 au: such bounds are 147–175 au, 1006–1200 au, 4334–5170 au, 8113–9524 au and 10 222–12 000 au for a body with a mass equal to that of the Earth, Jupiter, a brown dwarf, red dwarf and the Sun, respectively." Note that Mike Brown has theorized that a Mars sized object may be found in the Kuiper Belt and NASA was looking for Tyche at 15,000 AU.
Interesting...

It is deniable that those are artificial structures.

In fact it is just a collection of compression artifacts, glitches, pareidolia, miss-interpretations, and what-nots.


You might want to read my sig.

Like all the woos you don't have a clue what it means to actually proof something.

Here is a more recent Iorio paper on the same subject 'Constraints on the location of a putative distant massive body in the Solar System from recent planetary data' [link to arxiv.org]

He is saying that a Mars-sized object would have to be at least 150 to 200 AU away, etc.
"We obtain the following approximate lower bounds on dX (distance of Planet-X) for the assumed masses of X quoted in brackets: 150 - 200 au (m_Mars), 250 - 450 au (0.7 m_Earth), 3500 - 4500 au (4 m_Jup)."

OK....I'll bite. Just what kind of proof are you looking for? Since your rebuttals do not clarify this, I'll just assume you have no idea what you are talking about.

Maybe, you can give a few testimonials by someone who does not feel a lie is necessary to cover up information that he/she feels is necessary for the good of the people.

Why is it I feel you will NEVER subject yourself to a compromise, when it involves "lies" perpetrated by Governmental agencies? So….come on, Dayze....Do you really believe 9/11 was not an inside job, or false flag?

Dutch's HAARP Interpretations are discussed a few minutes in...

There's your problem. You wouldn't recognise it if it bit you in the behind.
Not a surprise considering you believe Nancy Lieder, who has never presented any evidence in her live.

Evidence has to be real, it has to be factual, it has to have provenance, it has to be supported by logic, reason, and science.
It has to point in a single direction.


There you go again claiming people lie without any evidence.
You only do so because they won't confirm your personal iteration of flateartherism.
You are projecting.

Nobody cares what you believe, the only thing that matters is what evidence you present.
So far zilch.


It is not a given that government agencies always lie.
In fact some statements can be proven to be factual.
Or isn't Washington, D.C. the capital of the U.S.A?

Thus every statement must be judged on its merits.
NASA's story is completely consistent and verifiable.
Volar's story, random noises from a Cloudcuckoolander.


What I believe is immaterial.
The only thing that matters is what the evidence shows.

I do know this though, a secret cabal that wanted the political and sociological effects of the public believing that Islamist extremists had flown passenger aircraft into landmark buildings would arrange for exactly that to happen.
Unless they are complete idiots.



HAARP, the little black dress of conspiracy land.
It goes with every occasion.

Really?....And....just who is the source of all this logic, reason, and science? Do you have any photos, or is it just word of mouth? It would be a good gesture on your part to present some of this fine, magnificent evidence. I really do need a good laugh.

It comes with having a brain and a proper education.


Science comes from applying logic and reason to observations.


Say what?!

You make the claim, YOU provide evidence.

No aliens is the null hypothesis, IOW I don't have to proof they don't exist.

You are right. You do not have to prove anything. So....exactly what are you doing here on GLP?

Haven't you read my sig?

He doesn't like to read anything that doesn't support his "theories"

Have I missed anything, besides all your ranting? Skeptics are all alike, they are here for one reason only....to play the “Devil’s advocate”. As far as your “sig” is concerned, in comparison, reading “My Pet Goat” would probably be more interesting.

What you consider truth is like a “Religion”. It is hard to accept the fact, you have been lied to, all your life.

Since I am not an accomplice to anyone and I am not telling people to by books and DVDs and visit ad loaded websites this does not apply.





I have not promoted or given a sales pitch for any reasons of self interest.



Since I do not fit the noun I cannot fit the verb. You however, have directed people to ad laden web sites and sites that promote books and DVDs the word shill clearly applies to you. Sites such as:

[link to www.remusicas.org]

[link to www.filmbaby.com]

Proof you are a shill!

And since you like to call people names might I suggest one for you, "sheep". Look it up.

Last Edited by F=ma on 11/27/2011 01:39 PM

Confirmation bias.

You missed everything.

I'm the one ranting?


I'm mostly here to be entertained.
The credulity that some people are capable off never ceases to amaze me.


Come on. It's only three sentences.


Said the Liederite...


Oh, I know.

The difference between you and me is, though, that I've acquired tools that help me to tell the difference between truths and falsehoods.
My very own bullshit detection kit if you will.
Frex, liars don't provide evidence for their claims.

Your sales pitch is your posting, appealing for your right to be recognized. Your self interest stems from your objective to be believed.

I have not promoted or given a sales pitch for any reasons of self interest.

You are still shilling

Then, why are you here? For your own self interest, or for the interest of others? And....what are you trying to promote? Your skeptism?....Or is it you are working for pay? Makes no difference, anyway....does it? No-one really cares.

It is amazing how you will not allow yourself to believe there are other life forms, other than ones found on Earth. What you contribute is priceless, in the fact you are an education, in showing others how the human mind can be programmed to be deceived, even when the presentation of factual information should prove otherwise.

The question you should ask yourself is, “Why are you so rigid in your belief that Aliens do not exist, when it should not matter, with you, one way or the other?” As for me, I detest being lied to by the very people who we are paying to provide us with the truth.

Below, you will find more photos, and videos of cities on Mars. I find all this extremely fascinating, in the fact we may be looking at the location of where our ancient ancestors originated from.

[link to www.livevideo.com]

[link to www.youtube.com]

[link to www.disclose.tv]

[link to www.metacafe.com]

It is clear you are working for pay. That has been proven. I am here becuase I want to be but you seem intent on denying me my right of free speech. Shame on you shill.

Last Edited by F=ma on 11/27/2011 06:45 PM

Just more web sites with ads or requests for money. Shameful how blatantly you shill

You could possibly be right, if it was not for the fact more than one site used the original images. You must not forget, these are restored air brushed satellite images, taken by NASA probes. Now, why would so many different sites want to produce videos, or photos, that you say aren't legit, when they are viewed free of charge? It does not make sense, and you know it.

Face it, there is some reason you are so emotionally involved, in the fact, you do not wish to believe there are extraterrestrials that are flying around in crafts, not of this Earth. Either you are religiously indoctrinated, or you have too much time invested to compromise your beliefs....or both. You could fess up, and be honest. No-one would ever think the less of you, if you did.

When did we start talking about what I believe?
My believes don't matter, your believes don't matter.
What matter is what the evidence shows.
It does not show that extra-terrestrial lifeforms exist.


Projecting again.
You are the one who has deceived herself into believing that data noise is "factual information".
Nancy has programmed you into a nice little credulous sheep.


Strawmanning again, that is not what I believe.

What I believe is that KNOWING that extraterrestrial life exists would matter a great deal.
All we KNOW for now is that it is highly probable that it exists.
What we don't KNOW is the who, the what, and the where.


Yet you're not pissed at Nancy Lieder, who lies all the time, but at NASA, who, as far as the evidence shows, is an innocent party.



Now who's the one with a programmed brain here?
You look at compression artifacts and see confirmation of your bias.
Other people who don't know about artifacts look at it and wonder what it is.
They keep an open mind.

I could take a 90% compression jpeg picture of the floor of my balcony, blow it up a thousand times, and "discover" whole civilisations.
It's meaningless.


Actually, the originals would have considerable better resolution, and no compression.


Aledgedly...


You can watch GLP free of charge.
Doesn't mean Trinity hopes to make some money out of it.
Just ask him.
Ever heard of commercial television?
You don't have to pay to watch, yet they make plenty of money.

Twenty-something banners and pop-ups is NOT a sign of trustworthiness, it is a sign people want to sell you something.


Projecting again.
What I wish for is evidence, so I can KNOW.
Meanwhile you are stuck in a believe that is functionally indistinguishable from a believe in faeries or hobgoblins.


My sig.
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1) You do not know what the original look like. You assume that the images on your shill sites are untouched.
2) If they are manipulated images, who did the manipulation? Can you say woth certainty that it wasn't someone other than NASA? One of the shill sites? Or a hoaxer? Can you say that NASA images have never been touched by someone other than NASA?
3) You assume that the shill sites are correct in their interpretation. They are not. It is clear that the sites do not have an understanding of physical processes that are occuring.
4) You assume the shill sites understand images and image processing and image processing artifacts. They do not. Image compression leaves atifacts in images and artifacts are introduced when image formats are converted.
5) I become emotional when so many shill sites lie. Why are you so eager to accept their lies?

What another thread from Dutchsinse?

I thought thee guy was a wanker

What happened to that?

This thread is going to turn out like another Elenin
Or another global warming

It'll keep everyone taking shit and not noticing, while the NWO rapes countries like Lybia, Syria, Pakistan, etc, etc

So....has NASA ever told us why they use the air brush on their images of Mars, and the Moon? How about civilizations on Mars?....Are they denying they exist? Better yet, do you believe they are not trying to hide anything from us?