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You've yet to show that the images are airbrushed, and not the result of compression artefacts.

Just because that's your opinion, it doesn't mean that's what they are. You need to show proof of what you're claiming...

No proof that NASA airbrushed any images. Plenty of proof shills and hoaxers have.

It should be perfectly clear, they air brush what they do not want the public to see, without a doubt. There are too many testimonials to the fact, along with tons of visible conclusive proof. I know what compression is, and it does not include clear pictures with fuzzy spots.

I am thoroughly convinced, period. If you are not....then, that is YOUR problem.

Thread: NASA Airbrushed Buildings on the Moon

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She doesn't understand that.

TrueBelievers™ already "know" everything, the facts be damned.



That's your opinion.


Just more people having an opinion.


In your opinion.


That is just your opinion.


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More confimation bias. None of that is airbrushing. It is people who do not know how cameras, CCDs, and image compression work. The original images where on photographic film. The film has since been digitized. The digitization process leaves artifacts. You can see that by just using a photocopier. The reproductions are not perfect. The Apollo astronauts also used a bracketing technique. They took multiple photos at different exposures, so of course two photos in a sequence will not look identical. You have only proved you do not understand photography.

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and you are proving that you do not understand governments/geo-politics and organisations like nasa nsa etc.

I mean the US, EU & Uk governments to name but 3, have completely lied about virtually everything for the last 60 years, getting worse by the decade as new moral lows are accepted...

but they haven't lied about the moon landing or any photography ever taken by nasa and various other government agencies...

they lie about almost EVERYTHING.

ffs...

are you THAT naive ?? judging by your username I guess you are from the scientific community? degree in mainstream science??

ffs...

So rather than disucss an issue you would rather attack me and governments with straw man arguments. Your weak understanding of science makes you naive, not me.

teach that stupid volar a lesson! you can't win, ever!

You don't seem to understand that organisations aren't monolithic.
They are made of individuals, most of them pretty ordinary people.

Organisations like the military and the NSA can keep secrets because their members understand the necessity of keeping the kind of secrets they have secret.
You try that with a bunch of scientists and engineers.

Conspiracy Theorists like to bring in politics because it allows for endless fact-free discussion.
All opinion, no data.
But in the end their argument always boils down to: The absence of evidence is evidence of a conspiracy to cover-up the evidence.

Wonderfully circular.

Blazar is coming very soon.

You are asking for evidence!?? Just where do you think we get all our information? We pay the Military, or branches of the Military to supply us with Satellite, and Lander views of Planets in the Solar System. If the photos, and videos, shown to us are "doctored", which we KNOW, without a doubt are....then it is NOT just politics. It is a deliberate attempt to alter the data we have paid for, and are entitled to receive....untainted, and identical to what they see, and are intentionally trying to hide from us.

Bottom line....These crooks are stealing our money, and are trying to make us believe they are supplying us with knowledge that is “true”, and “factual”. I say baloney!!! We are at their mercy, and we are getting the short end of the stick.

A belief without evidence is called a religion.

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I have shown you evidence of tampering. If you cannot see it, then you are blind. Since you are beyond help, in this case....there is no reason to persistently, semantically struggle with your narrow reasoning....

No. What you showed me are things you do not understand and falsely conclude they are tampering. Logic isn't a strong point with you is it?

Proof is not logic, and logic is not proof. Why do you continue to use this circular reasoning as your defense?

What the hell is wrong with you? Logic is the tool for proofs.

Never said it wasn't. You were using the word compression, to try and logically explain the use of "air brushing". Since "logic" can be faulty, it cannot be used to identify an absolute, or to prove anything. Tangible items, such as photos, and videos, with fuzzy objects, shown to be air brushed, is not labeled as logic, and anyone with the intelligence, and expertise on the subject, could tear your little theory apart, piece by piece..

You can only suggest a hypothesis with logic. Proving it is another story.

NOT shown to be airbrushed.

CLAIMED to be airbrushed.

A claim not supported by evidence is just that, empty words.

I am not gone to give you a course in lossy image compression techniques. You can look it up yourself.

Logic is the tool of proofs. You prove hypothesis with logic. Don't be so dense.

I will say it again...."logic" does not prove anything. It can only suggest something MAY be true. As far as your compression theory, I could see your point if NASA's photos were completely grainy or appeared to be washed out. However, we know this is not the case, since only small portions of these doctored photos are shown to be blurred, where area air brushing techniques are obviously performed.

Do you have any idea what compression artefacts are? What they look like in images? What causes them?

Here's a hint - they don't cause graininess or "washed out" images...

Here are some photos of z Mars civilization, evidenced by the European Space Agency, you may find very interesting. Perhaps this site will be more convincing that there is indeed life on Mars.

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Jeez! What an atrociously badly put together video. The guy has no idea about making an interesting and attractive presentation.

That aside, when he eventually (yawn) got to his "evidence" it was, as I expected, typical JPEG compression artefacts.

Once again, you don't seem to understand how image compression works, or what effects you get from it...

yo volar! you can't win bud! they got their minions out the yinyang!

You are so right! Even though I put forth my best effort, to try, and convince these birds, with what I consider overwhelming evidence, there is no way you are going to penetrate a mindset that stubbornly refuses to believe.

The MSM News has been defending the UFO reality, lately. I feel it is just a matter of time before the disbelievers come to their senses....then, again, maybe not. Wouldn’t it blow your mind if all these flying crafts were here for no other reason than to witness the coming event? Anyway, maybe the old saying “ignorance is bliss” shill....uh....still holds true.

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Below, you will find some supposedly hacked photos from NASA. Very interesting collection. Enjoy.

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No. Wrong again. Take a course in logic.

You still don't understand compression. Compression artifacts are the result of the density of information in the image. Some areas have a low information content and some areas have high information content. With a high compression an area of high informaiton content will show artifacts while the low information content will appear perfectly normal. Your argument is an argument of incredculity and not one from understanding limitation of compression algorithms.

Seeing something you do not understand is not overwhelming evidence. All it shows is that you do not understand what is going on. Learn about Mars. Learn about geology. Learn about cameras and the way they work. Learn about satellite communications. Learn about image analysis, compression, and calibration then maybe you can appreaciate what you are really looking at.

Youtube videos from ignorant people are not evidence.

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F=MA and Halcyon...

If I were a gamblin' man, I'd bet money that some of these supposes nemesis

Pick up the phone and call one another

and say,

Hey Al,

Let's go on GLP tonight....

How about hitting that 'current events' thread about'.......'

and debate about whether aliens exist or even God and religion for that matter...

Sure Joe, that sounds good!

See you there in a heart beat....


Oh, by the way Al, did THEY come through with the money yet? Has it hit your account? Don't worry too much about it, I've been dealing with them for three months now and they come through every time.

Imagine that, we get paid to sit on our asses and crank out arguements all day long and no one the wiser!

World is full of em, eh Al?

Well, anyway, see you over at GPL!

Yeeha!


My version of what might be going on behind the scene between 'F=ma' and 'Volar'....and who knows how many others.

I have started checking out the different profiles of some of these people with these 'strong opinions' for they DOTH PROTESTETH TOO MUCH in my humble opinion.

Might just start keeping a list of what threads this is done to and maybe a second list of who.

Come on GPL'ers, put on your thinking caps....let's go hunting for shills.