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The Truth of Our Origins... Ass Loads of Evidence Pointing Towards Us Being an Engineered Species!

 
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The problem is that too many scientists are too afraid to speak out against this dogma because they'd lose their job as it has happened in the past.

Dawkins will do anything to protect Evolution theory. He will try and ruin your life if you dared to provide something that goes against that theory.

[link to topdocumentaryfilms.com] this movie got people fired just for opening their mouth over evolution!
 Quoting: AlcoholicRunner


No, that's not how science works.

Some say its hard to come with new ideas in science because they wont accept any alternative positions...

Fact is, if you say something wrong, anything, absolutly anything, then all the rest of the scientists are gonna raise some serious BS flags and tell you to TRY AGAIN MOTHERFUCKER.

That's how they've been trained, and for good reason. Why? because people are full of shit, that's why.

As for this film you linked LOL

AHAHAHAHAHA

No intellegence allowed, INTRESTING WORD PLAY!
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You are such a retard. Grow a brian, moran.
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Here is the final "truth". We were created but not by who you think:

Those who "know" know and those who dont just havent gotten that far yet. I do not have a website because im a regular person just like you. How did I come to this conclusion? Havent you noticed that all of these "supposed truths" religion, Creation stories and conspiracies are always based on "us" being ruled? Why is that? When you step back far enough, you will see that everything under the sun is being fed to us (multiple creators, aliens, creation for enslavement etc.) as "truth" except one thing that is the last thing that they want us to realize and that is:

That we are the "Creator" that is spoken of. As long as we believe that our Creator is external, we forfeight our power to TPTB.

Thus, them "ruling" over us. We are not meant to be ruled as this is our Creation. These vids will explain further and this is but the tip of the iceberg:


This video states what we are as "Human Beings". It is not by book definition that this is stated, as these things existed prior to mans attempt at defining them. This video defines our first language as we "Human Beings" or "Beings in Human form" communicate through energy prior to speech.

Wiki:

Speech:

Speech is the "vocalized" form of human communication etc.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/

Our first language is not "vocal" or "audible" but rather internal and external via energy. The video will explain further.

*Note* This video is basic in order to be understood basically (it should be viewed after the series for better understanding)

Human "Being"


The Pure and Simple Truth PT1


The Pure and Simple Truth PT2


The Pure and Simple Truth PT3
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OP you are funny ,you state you are only obligated to answer scientific responses.................Don't you mean you choose only to answer scientific responses !!! because being the scientist you are( in your mind ) you are closed minded and only examine what you consider credible .

This thread fails on many levels........... for instance using the term we are engineered which also means created by someone or something ........... I believe that Religion aspires to a God that engineered / created us and the universe. Hypocrisy is rife with so called scientists.propoganda
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The physical cannot create itself out of nothing. The sun, for instance, did not think itself into being before it existed. All things in the physical universe were created by some force outside of nothing. An external agent, something that is not caused, is necessary to bring it into existence: God.
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Humans were indeed "engineered", CREATED! This then proves those who say humans spontaneously appeared though the process of "evolotion" are LIARS! The book of Genesis proclaims that human beings were CREATED! It reads, "Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness..."! Certainly, any "being" or "beings" with the Powers of Creation, are superior, and omnipotent! However, an evil spirit corrupted the human mind. This evil spirit rules the hearts and minds of humans, and is the reason for all the iniquity that exists in this world! Those who refuse the love of the Truth, so as to be saved, are given over to their corrupt "human way of thinking", their "passions", and they will perish as a result!
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This then proves those who say humans spontaneously appeared though the process of "evolotion" are LIARS!
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OBJECTION!

EVOLUTION HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ORIGINS OF LIFE!

TRY AGAIN, GOOD SIR!
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This then proves those who say humans spontaneously appeared though the process of "evolotion" are LIARS!
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OBJECTION!

EVOLUTION HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ORIGINS OF LIFE!

TRY AGAIN, GOOD SIR!
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You contradict yourself! Try again, good sir!
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This then proves those who say humans spontaneously appeared though the process of "evolotion" are LIARS!
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OBJECTION!

EVOLUTION HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ORIGINS OF LIFE!

TRY AGAIN, GOOD SIR!
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You contradict yourself! Try again, good sir!
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No, you just seriously don't understand accepted evolution theory.

It is strictly a theory about how life changes/evolves ONCE IT ALREADY EXISTS.

ABIOGENESIS IS THE STUDY OF LIFES ORIGINS, NOT EVOLUTION.

GOOD DAY SIR.
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Here is the final "truth". We were created but not by who you think:

Those who "know" know and those who dont just havent gotten that far yet. I do not have a website because im a regular person just like you. How did I come to this conclusion? Havent you noticed that all of these "supposed truths" religion, Creation stories and conspiracies are always based on "us" being ruled? Why is that? When you step back far enough, you will see that everything under the sun is being fed to us (multiple creators, aliens, creation for enslavement etc.) as "truth" except one thing that is the last thing that they want us to realize and that is:

That we are the "Creator" that is spoken of. As long as we believe that our Creator is external, we forfeight our power to TPTB.

Thus, them "ruling" over us. We are not meant to be ruled as this is our Creation. These vids will explain further and this is but the tip of the iceberg:


This video states what we are as "Human Beings". It is not by book definition that this is stated, as these things existed prior to mans attempt at defining them. This video defines our first language as we "Human Beings" or "Beings in Human form" communicate through energy prior to speech.

Wiki:

Speech:

Speech is the "vocalized" form of human communication etc.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/

Our first language is not "vocal" or "audible" but rather internal and external via energy. The video will explain further.

*Note* This video is basic in order to be understood basically (it should be viewed after the series for better understanding)

Human "Being"


The Pure and Simple Truth PT1


The Pure and Simple Truth PT2


The Pure and Simple Truth PT3

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you guys need to stop arguing and simply watch this. It will explain it all.
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The physical cannot create itself out of nothing. The sun, for instance, did not think itself into being before it existed. All things in the physical universe were created by some force outside of nothing. An external agent, something that is not caused, is necessary to bring it into existence: God.
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Which GOD do people worship and serve? Plainly evident that a majority of humanity worship and serve the "carnal spirit".
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OP you are funny ,you state you are only obligated to answer scientific responses.................Don't you mean you choose only to answer scientific responses !!! because being the scientist you are( in your mind ) you are closed minded and only examine what you consider credible .

This thread fails on many levels........... for instance using the term we are engineered which also means created by someone or something ........... I believe that Religion aspires to a God that engineered / created us and the universe. Hypocrisy is rife with so called scientists.propoganda
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What the hell are you talking about?
A true minded, kind hearted... Iconoclast.

"We fight for truth, so love may venture, and peace may follow" ~ Ancient Astronaut Theorists.

If I told you everything I am about to say is a lie. Is it truth or a lie?

I built the wrench necessary to bolt the 3 stage capping process on the spill. My tolerances were not overlooked.

"Tattered banners, and bloody flags... The mist of Odin sweeps it all."
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You are correct on many levels op. It follows the samething Dolores Cannon found in her research. Most people won't except it at the moment, but in time, the truth will be known.
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Thanks man, in due time. in due time.
A true minded, kind hearted... Iconoclast.

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If I told you everything I am about to say is a lie. Is it truth or a lie?

I built the wrench necessary to bolt the 3 stage capping process on the spill. My tolerances were not overlooked.

"Tattered banners, and bloody flags... The mist of Odin sweeps it all."
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i see "how did the engineers come to be" has already been asked and predictably ignored.

there is another question though that is more pressing: why are we designed so badly? so many glitches, weaknesses and missing features.
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Where do you see bad design??? We are ass-kicking beings.
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This then proves those who say humans spontaneously appeared though the process of "evolotion" are LIARS!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4342402


OBJECTION!

EVOLUTION HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ORIGINS OF LIFE!

TRY AGAIN, GOOD SIR!
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Bio textbooks say otherwise, my friend.
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That’s only a small part of the Truth. And not even the most important.

All the rest of your post is irrelevant because it doesn’t give you any real clue where to look.

Keep digging… somewhere else that is.


You can start right here at GLP. ;)


You’ll find it.
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You mean what I posted is just a small part.

If I posted everything I knew, It would be alot of pages dude.

I started today out with, how life got here, and where WE came from. Ill have much much more tomorrow you guys.
A true minded, kind hearted... Iconoclast.

"We fight for truth, so love may venture, and peace may follow" ~ Ancient Astronaut Theorists.

If I told you everything I am about to say is a lie. Is it truth or a lie?

I built the wrench necessary to bolt the 3 stage capping process on the spill. My tolerances were not overlooked.

"Tattered banners, and bloody flags... The mist of Odin sweeps it all."
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OF COURSE WE'RE AN ENGINEERED SPECIES IT SAYS SO IN THE BIBLE. Bibles in several dozen languages avaiable for download, most for free. [link to 86.109.29.66] Read about it in Genesis the first book in the bible. In english the only bible is the King james 1611.
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The physical cannot create itself out of nothing. The sun, for instance, did not think itself into being before it existed. All things in the physical universe were created by some force outside of nothing. An external agent, something that is not caused, is necessary to bring it into existence: God.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3148027


Actually, like the synapses against neurons, at a quantum level, one particle appears, disappears, trans-locates, and then pops into 2 different places at once...

It is scientifically proven that something can just appear.

but don't fret. Its much more complicated than you think.
A true minded, kind hearted... Iconoclast.

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If I told you everything I am about to say is a lie. Is it truth or a lie?

I built the wrench necessary to bolt the 3 stage capping process on the spill. My tolerances were not overlooked.

"Tattered banners, and bloody flags... The mist of Odin sweeps it all."
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btw H333 and DNADT
join us at Climate Patrol
[link to www.climatepatrol.com]
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Sorry, were one and the same, as far as me posting DNADT.

Id love to join!
A true minded, kind hearted... Iconoclast.

"We fight for truth, so love may venture, and peace may follow" ~ Ancient Astronaut Theorists.

If I told you everything I am about to say is a lie. Is it truth or a lie?

I built the wrench necessary to bolt the 3 stage capping process on the spill. My tolerances were not overlooked.

"Tattered banners, and bloody flags... The mist of Odin sweeps it all."
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Simple answer, they couldn't find the Panda because the earths population was miniscule at best. Now there are 7 billion people and we still can't find Bigfoot, and Nibiru is nothing more than a pipedream. Buy a laptop.
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This then proves those who say humans spontaneously appeared though the process of "evolotion" are LIARS!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4342402


OBJECTION!

EVOLUTION HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ORIGINS OF LIFE!

TRY AGAIN, GOOD SIR!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1552380


Bio textbooks say otherwise, my friend.
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Link or save it.

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'Ass loads...' :X
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Evolution has been supported by archaeology, anthropology, paleontology, paleoanthropology and biology. You could say that no discipline, discovery, theory or philosophy of science provides any challenge to evolution. In fact, evolution has been argued to be the most solidly and widely supported theory in science. That has absolutely nothing to do with it being pushed like a dogma.

Now, for example, some random guy comes along and says all you guys must be wrong: all he has to support his claims are some crazy interpretations of some tablets and texts that does not even use the "dictionary" we have found that tells us what they say, nor even address' it.

Then you wonder why people like this are not taken seriously?

Why they are told to GTFO by the scientific community?

I wonder how many scientific papers regarding the origins of coded DNA OP has read?

Does he even understand the theories that attepmt to explain it?

Because he didn't even understand the basic accpeted Evolution position which has nothing to do with origins of life...

putin

Come correct, man...
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Excuse me, "and all the guy has is tablets"

Dear sir, I think today, I posted .0001 of direct memory.

And If you are only trying the means of Intervention to credit the existence of ET's let me spare you some time.

I wonder how many scientific papers regarding the origins of coded DNA OP has read?


How about you read mine...

a few hints, if you wish, (speaking) as a
“DNA Deep Throat.” First, look up the huge
discontinuities between humans and the
various apes for: (1) Whole mitochondrial
DNA; (2) genes for the Rh Factor; (3) and
human Y chromosomes, among others.
Regarding #3, I refer you to K.D. Smith’s
1987 study titled “Repeated DNA sequences
of the human Y chromosome.” It says “Most
human Y chromosome sequences thus far
examined do not have homologues [same
relative position or structure] on the Y
chromosomes of other primates.”
Human female X chromosomes do look
somewhat apelike, but not the male’s Y.
This means that if humans are a crossbred
species, the cross had to be between a
female ape-like creature (i.e, “creature of
Earth”) and a male being from elsewhere.
What the evolutionists do is find certain
genes which look very similar between man
and ape, then they make a “tree of descent”
while ignoring those huge impassable
abysses of difference elsewhere.
Also, by certain methods of DNA dating, one
can tell that numerous genes have been
recently added to the human genome.
If workers in my field were to say such
things openly, we would be ostracized and
forced to live in a tent. Any work along
these lines would be rejected without any
form of appeal. So what can we do?

Sincerely,
DNA Deep Throat

To make a hybrid creature, a female species of Earth with 48 and a species with elsewhere with 46.

They just went to the second chromosome and fused two homologues together to take only one space.

MY ENTIRE DNA analysis shall bore alot of people. So please let me stick with the bittersweet bigfeetsies for the next couple days. Its simpler to understand.
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If I told you everything I am about to say is a lie. Is it truth or a lie?

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'Ass loads...' :X
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ass loads.. eventually...

LATER GUYS..... MORE TOMORROW.
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If I told you everything I am about to say is a lie. Is it truth or a lie?

I built the wrench necessary to bolt the 3 stage capping process on the spill. My tolerances were not overlooked.

"Tattered banners, and bloody flags... The mist of Odin sweeps it all."
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Here are some items to consider:

Life on Earth could not exist without the moon and it's pull on the earth, moderating seasons and creating tides.

The moon is exactly 1/400th the size of the sun.

The moon is exactly 1/400th the distance from the sun.

That's why they're a precise match for eclipses. They match perfectly when they line up and they SHOULDN'T. This is statistically impossible. Not improbable, impossible. There is no possible way that some rock just randomly crashed into our planet (without destroying it) and just happened to be the perfect distance and perfect size and assumed the perfect orbit that it has without outside intervention.

This is obvious to anyone who thinks about it for a few minutes. The moon was put here to moderate the Earth's movements and make it fully habitable. As to who did it: how the hell do I know?

Here is something else:

Back in the late 90's I read an article in Discover magazine that stated that Neanderthals and Cro-Magnon man (supposedly descended from Neanderthal) occupied the same cave systems in Europe for a couple thousand years without producing a single hybrid offspring. You and I both know that humans will f**k anything, so it is impossible that they were in the same caves and not doing it. They are therefore genetically incompatible and that means that Cro-Magnon was not a direct descendant of Neanderthal but rather a separate species.

Further: It says we are genetically engineered in the story of creation. God (or whoever) made the universe, made the sun, made the moon, made the earth, and then started making everything else. He/she/it/they added water and fish and animals and people. He/she/it/they then took the male human that they created and from its rib took a dna sample and engineered a female. Then they kicked them out of the nice cozy lab (garden) and said "fend for yourselves. Go on, it'll be fun. Plenty of stuff for food, you'll do great. I should know, I made you in my image (with a giant brain) and I totally rock."

I'm sure there were a hell of a lot more than two, though, cuz there were other people "out there".

So (guessing here) maybe up to two or three hundred thousand humans were seeded, of a variety of designs, fully capable of adapting to their environments, fully capable of building structure, hunting food, making clothes,and eventually even discovering the awesomeness of indoor plumbing, electricity, and the internet.


Man, people are awesome.
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OP, I've always thought that creationism - as mentioned in the Bible was hard to believe, guided evolution with some form of intervention is the conclusion I came to....

BUMPAROONY

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Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing?
Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able, and willing?
Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing?
Then why call him God?

~Epicurus 33 A.D
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Simple answer, they couldn't find the Panda because the earths population was miniscule at best. Now there are 7 billion people and we still can't find Bigfoot, and Nibiru is nothing more than a pipedream. Buy a laptop.
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Lame....

jerkit


You need to do a better job of researching in Bigfoot. Russian scientists have done extensive research in it and they said they are most likely to exist.


[link to www.bigfootencounters.com]

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i love these philosophy of life threads, .....keep it up OP.
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That’s only a small part of the Truth. And not even the most important.

All the rest of your post is irrelevant because it doesn’t give you any real clue where to look.

Keep digging… somewhere else that is.


You can start right here at GLP. ;)


You’ll find it.
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You mean what I posted is just a small part.

If I posted everything I knew, It would be alot of pages dude.

I started today out with, how life got here, and where WE came from. Ill have much much more tomorrow you guys.
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No. I meant that the fact human beings are an engineered species is only a tiny part of the Truth.



You have no clue how life got here. Sorry.
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That’s only a small part of the Truth. And not even the most important.

All the rest of your post is irrelevant because it doesn’t give you any real clue where to look.

Keep digging… somewhere else that is.


You can start right here at GLP. ;)


You’ll find it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1173127


You mean what I posted is just a small part.

If I posted everything I knew, It would be alot of pages dude.

I started today out with, how life got here, and where WE came from. Ill have much much more tomorrow you guys.
 Quoting: Heretic_333





No. I meant that the fact human beings are an engineered species is only a tiny part of the Truth.



You have no clue how life got here. Sorry.
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Then tell us...

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