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HOLY SHIZNIT!!! Faster-than-light neutrinos confirmed

 
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Time travel IS possible.
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Time Travel is not Possible because there is no such thing as time. Its something we created to make measurements of what were observing. There is noting STORING Time. Time IS our Relative consciousness.
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^^This^^

The past, present and the future coexist hence making time travel impossible. Not to mention the fact time itself doesn't exist as you said.

Well, to our knowledge anyway. But who knows? tounge

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Holy crap...a statistical result repeated.

once.

It's waaaaaay to early to close the door on this though.

Just like the old " solar neutrino " problem, it will turn out to be a lack of understanding about neutrinos.
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Well, its on the positive side for change, anyway. They seemed to be leaning more towards this being a reality rather than not.

From the article:


The new tests, completed 6 November, did away with the statistical analysis by splitting each pulse into bunches just 1- to 2-nanoseconds long, allowing each neutrino detected at Gran Sasso to be tied to a particular bunch produced at CERN. These tests were carried out over 10 days and provided 20 events. The researchers confirmed that the neutrinos arrived 60 nanoseconds early, with an uncertainty of about 10 nanoseconds, comparable to that of the initial result.

The collaboration has also checked its original statistical analysis, but today's decision to submit the results to a journal was not unanimous. "About four people" among the group of around 15 who did not sign the preprint have signed the journal submission, according to a source within the collaboration, while "four new people" have decided not to sign. That leaves the number of dissenters at about 15, compared with about 180 who did sign the journal submission.

[link to news.sciencemag.org]
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WOW! but then again NOT WOW!

Whilst the evidence tends to support the test results there are still people questioning it heavily.

I like the way science will continually reassess itself, awaiting more evidence.

If only Science teachers in the classroom would keep up with modern theoretical and evidentiary science. Many if not most cosmologists don't believe in the singularity from nothingness anymore. Many seriously question the continually expanding Universe leading to the cold Universe.

Perhaps the students should be informed.

My mind travels at the speed of thought so I can out speed light any day...

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If only science teachers in the classroom knew science.

Pitiful example: They are currently teaching my son "rocketry" in 8th grade, as an introduction to Newton's Laws. They introduce the "law":

F = ma

with which one can show that rockets don't work! Fuel comes out of the nozzle and ... so what?

Now, the trick is that the above "law" is wrong. The true law is

Momentum is conserved unless a force acts on a body. The change in momentum is

F = dP/dt where P = mv.

Therefore

F = ma + v dm/dt

and it's the SECOND term that shows that, by expelling rocket fuel out the nozzle, one creates a force on the rest of the rocket!
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WOW! but then again NOT WOW!

Whilst the evidence tends to support the test results there are still people questioning it heavily.

I like the way science will continually reassess itself, awaiting more evidence.

If only Science teachers in the classroom would keep up with modern theoretical and evidentiary science. Many if not most cosmologists don't believe in the singularity from nothingness anymore. Many seriously question the continually expanding Universe leading to the cold Universe.

Perhaps the students should be informed.

My mind travels at the speed of thought so I can out speed light any day...

lolsign




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If only science teachers in the classroom knew science.

Pitiful example: They are currently teaching my son "rocketry" in 8th grade, as an introduction to Newton's Laws. They introduce the "law":

F = ma

with which one can show that rockets don't work! Fuel comes out of the nozzle and ... so what?

Now, the trick is that the above "law" is wrong. The true law is

Momentum is conserved unless a force acts on a body. The change in momentum is

F = dP/dt where P = mv.

Therefore

F = ma + v dm/dt

and it's the SECOND term that shows that, by expelling rocket fuel out the nozzle, one creates a force on the rest of the rocket!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4596203


Doesn't the second law have to be rearranged with an added term to account for the momentum carried by transient mass though ?

I'm sure they'll cover that in his class.
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Say bye bye to jewish einstein "stolen" theory
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clappa
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noticed... GLP is full of antisemites!!!

so sad it's happening to great forums...
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So if we only hateor criticise the Zionists and especially the Government of Israel, that makes us all antisemites...
Looks like the Zionist's plan worked well to brainwash the masses after WW2...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2795546


What he said.
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These neutrinos did not travel faster than light.
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These neutrinos did not travel faster than light.
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Hold on tight to that Standard Model. Deny, deny, deny if you have to, but for God's sake, do not let go of the Standard Model.

Otherwise, your head may explode.
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Yeah, I'm with that guy !!!^^

5a

Down with the standard model, it doesn't even have room for dark energy, dark matter, or gravity.

Fuck having any sort of framework for extensions beyond the standard model.

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These neutrinos did not travel faster than light.
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Hold on tight to that Standard Model. Deny, deny, deny if you have to, but for God's sake, do not let go of the Standard Model.

Otherwise, your head may explode.
 Quoting: SickScent




The experiment was not confirmed. Many other experiments have been done for decades and neutrinos always had a velocity close to the speed of light.

Besides neutrinos are very hard to detect. That's why for so many years people thought they were massless.

With such a difficult procedure confirmation must come from different groups to validate the data. So far only the OPERA group in CERN detected superluminal neutrinos (by a very small degree) which is not to be expected. So they addressed the scientific community to verify if they could reproduce the experiment.

2 other groups accepted the challenge. The data so far wasn't peer reviewd nor the OPERA group came foeward with any new physics. Sensationalist media (uninformed) just picked up with it and claimed to be confirmed when they don't have any idea what has been done.


So NO it was NOT confirmed. One single experiment doesn't validate all the other ones.
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These neutrinos did not travel faster than light.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3632012


Hold on tight to that Standard Model. Deny, deny, deny if you have to, but for God's sake, do not let go of the Standard Model.

Otherwise, your head may explode.
 Quoting: SickScent




The experiment was not confirmed. Many other experiments have been done for decades and neutrinos always had a velocity close to the speed of light.

Besides neutrinos are very hard to detect. That's why for so many years people thought they were massless.

With such a difficult procedure confirmation must come from different groups to validate the data. So far only the OPERA group in CERN detected superluminal neutrinos (by a very small degree) which is not to be expected. So they addressed the scientific community to verify if they could reproduce the experiment.

2 other groups accepted the challenge. The data so far wasn't peer reviewd nor the OPERA group came foeward with any new physics. Sensationalist media (uninformed) just picked up with it and claimed to be confirmed when they don't have any idea what has been done.


So NO it was NOT confirmed. One single experiment doesn't validate all the other ones.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5624773


It wasn't one single experiment (I don't think), but I understand you. It is exciting though. And, there is still the possibility that it did go super-luminal.

superman
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As far as I know; we exist within an omni-dimensional multi-universal cosmosphere that mirrors the base creational geometry of the seed of life (also mirroed by the temple menorah, the yezidi mythos of the peacock angel, the buddhist wheel of life, god creating the earth & the heavens in 6 days while resting on the 7th day) ...

6 Segments ((universes??)) spun out of 144,000 faceted core / sphere at it's central axis (which then is the template for 12 around 1).

Hopefully I am wrong though, because if I am right it is not doing me any good; and if I am wrong - it doesn't really matter ...

---

So does that mean that indeed it is possibe to receive communications purported to be from sources claiming to be ''Supraluminals'' ??

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Just some dudes view
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One more thing: Serbian scientists are working on project with the aim to control time and space. It is based on Tesla's theory.

You can check the vid here: [link to vimeo.com]
 Quoting: Démodé


Demode - There is a whole lot more to this than there appears to be on the surface; and this post is an aside to the topic being discussed here-in.

These people you've mentioned were a part of the 2010 World Forum on Spiritual Culture in Astana, Khazakstan.

Astana
[link to vigilantcitizen.com]

Where else is there somewhere called Astana ???

Astana
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Whose likeness was found in the Astana Graves:

Fu Xi & Nu Wa
[link to www.templestudy.com]

more extensive post:
Thread: *** The Rothschild's Now Officially OWN the NYSE, Your Country, and You **** (Page 8)

hiding
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Noooo..Potato Earth is the Answer.

[link to i.dailymail.co.uk]

[link to www.dailymail.co.uk]

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The thing that hath been,
is That which shall be;
and that which is done is that which shall be done:and there is no new thing under the Sun.
Ecclesiastes 9:1
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opens up the possibility of time travel if true
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These neutrinos did not travel faster than light.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3632012


Hold on tight to that Standard Model. Deny, deny, deny if you have to, but for God's sake, do not let go of the Standard Model.

Otherwise, your head may explode.
 Quoting: SickScent




The experiment was not confirmed. Many other experiments have been done for decades and neutrinos always had a velocity close to the speed of light.

Besides neutrinos are very hard to detect. That's why for so many years people thought they were massless.

With such a difficult procedure confirmation must come from different groups to validate the data. So far only the OPERA group in CERN detected superluminal neutrinos (by a very small degree) which is not to be expected. So they addressed the scientific community to verify if they could reproduce the experiment.

2 other groups accepted the challenge. The data so far wasn't peer reviewd nor the OPERA group came foeward with any new physics. Sensationalist media (uninformed) just picked up with it and claimed to be confirmed when they don't have any idea what has been done.


So NO it was NOT confirmed. One single experiment doesn't validate all the other ones.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5624773


Sorry but I want to show you that some of your statements are incorrect.

Here you can read it in the origional article: [link to news.sciencemag.org]

YES IT WAS CONFIRMED:
Article: "New high-precision tests carried out by the OPERA collaboration in Italy broadly confirm its claim, made in September, to have detected neutrinos travelling at faster than the speed of light."
--> So the FIRST experiments were in SEPTEMBER, and they made a CLAIM, NEW tests (more then 1) (completed 6 NOVEMBER) confirmed the prior claim TO BE TRUE.
So several tests were done to study this occurance ...
Although : the RESULTS of THE PAST are NO GUARANTEE for results in the FUTURE !
Technology changes and becomes more precise. If we were to hold on to what they measured and thought in the MiddleAges we would be still (**fill in yourself**).


THOUGHTS are no PROOF, and history has showed us that many many things had to be revised and changed, coz it wasnt adding up with reality. SCIENCE is a EVER CHANGING FIELD OF INTERPRETATIONS. The fault is that we seek evidence for what we THINK, and not for what IS ... coz THAT could be something we couldnt THINK to be true or existing. So scientists fill in gaps with THESISES and probabilities, which are in line of previous THOUGHTS.
Just like now : We THINK it can not be, but PROOF and real mesurments showed its accuracy ... but STILL WE THINK it is NOT POSSIBLE, coz it is beyond the conditions we have been thought in school.
So sad ....


NOT JUST 1 SINGLE EXPERIMENT:
Article: "The new tests, completed 6 November, did away with the statistical analysis by splitting each pulse into bunches just 1- to 2-nanoseconds long, allowing each neutrino detected at Gran Sasso to be tied to a particular bunch produced at CERN. These tests were carried out over 10 days and provided 20 events. The researchers confirmed that the neutrinos arrived 60 nanoseconds early, with an uncertainty of about 10 nanoseconds, comparable to that of the initial result. "

15 researchers/scientists did not agree with the results, but 180 (!!!) did ...


NEUTRINO:
There are many neutrino-observatories in the world, to study neutrino's itself, and to watch and study THE EFFECTS they have ON OTHER particles. Cherencov-radiation is 1 of the seen and measured effects of neutrino's. An other effect is that they change the decayrate of radioactive particles. Many sidestudies look at potassium and other materials linked with the effects of neutrino's, wheter these neutrino's come from the sun, from ancient supernovae-waves reaching us, or other reasons. In some cases they dont even know WHERE the neutrino's are comming from exactly ....
I can sum up all the observatories and institutions working with it, but it also easy to find yourself on google ...


AGREE:
I agree with you that it is wise and learnfull to let other institutions and groups test this themselves. So that all data can be studied and peer-viewed/shared with the world.


We are traveling through an area in space we have NEVER BEEN BEFORE, this plain is one with more neutrino's in it, with more charged particles as ever before in written history of Humankind ... OUR POSITION in the Galaxy and Univers can bring changes to measurements done before. The Univers is NOT A CONSTANT, it is a place with many different conditions and compositions in energetical particals of many kinds, who ALL AFFECT LIFE WHAT IS TRAVELING THROUGH IT. We are now in a cycle that has been told to bring us changes, and even NASA confirmed that we are traveling through more energetical matter/particles. They have an effect on the SUN and on PATERNS on Earth and on our own DNA ...



hf It was not my intention to DISS you,
but I wnated to show an other view.

We come from CHAOS,
we arranged into STRUCTURE and PATERNS,
but Life is not STATIC ...
it is a constant CHANGE and ADAPTION in FLEXABILITY.
We are a CONSTANT MOVEMENT, instead of a Constant CONSTANT.

As sciences devellops and measuring equipments become more accurate and precise, we will see and understand our flaws in THINKING and assumptions, and will we better understand the mechanics of the Univers and Life.
Science is often only the confirmation of what many already FELT to be true ...
The muze of a genius often sprouts from intuition and visionary tunning into the Matter of What-IS. Equipments are develloped to prove these 'hunches' and feelings, not the other way around, imo.

tnx.

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There are no wrong Theories..everything has happened.
The thing that hath been,
is That which shall be;
and that which is done is that which shall be done:and there is no new thing under the Sun.
Ecclesiastes 9:1
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Faster-than-light has NOT been confirmed. All that has been discovered is a more accurate way to determine the speed of light. Light just got a little faster.
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The Answer is Potato Earth!

[link to i.dailymail.co.uk]

[link to www.dailymail.co.uk]

Images of and a small piece about the varying fluxuations of the pull of Gravity in different locations on Earth.

Theres' also a little Video of a Spinning Simulation of Potato Earth.

P.E
Potato Earth for the Win!aaa

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The thing that hath been,
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and that which is done is that which shall be done:and there is no new thing under the Sun.
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These neutrinos did not travel faster than light.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3632012


Hold on tight to that Standard Model. Deny, deny, deny if you have to, but for God's sake, do not let go of the Standard Model.

Otherwise, your head may explode.
 Quoting: SickScent




The experiment was not confirmed. Many other experiments have been done for decades and neutrinos always had a velocity close to the speed of light.

Besides neutrinos are very hard to detect. That's why for so many years people thought they were massless.

With such a difficult procedure confirmation must come from different groups to validate the data. So far only the OPERA group in CERN detected superluminal neutrinos (by a very small degree) which is not to be expected. So they addressed the scientific community to verify if they could reproduce the experiment.

2 other groups accepted the challenge. The data so far wasn't peer reviewd nor the OPERA group came foeward with any new physics. Sensationalist media (uninformed) just picked up with it and claimed to be confirmed when they don't have any idea what has been done.


So NO it was NOT confirmed. One single experiment doesn't validate all the other ones.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5624773


Sorry but I want to show you that some of your statements are incorrect.

Here you can read it in the origional article: [link to news.sciencemag.org]

YES IT WAS CONFIRMED:
Article: "New high-precision tests carried out by the OPERA collaboration in Italy broadly confirm its claim, made in September, to have detected neutrinos travelling at faster than the speed of light."
--> So the FIRST experiments were in SEPTEMBER, and they made a CLAIM, NEW tests (more then 1) (completed 6 NOVEMBER) confirmed the prior claim TO BE TRUE.
So several tests were done to study this occurance ...
Although : the RESULTS of THE PAST are NO GUARANTEE for results in the FUTURE !
Technology changes and becomes more precise. If we were to hold on to what they measured and thought in the MiddleAges we would be still (**fill in yourself**).


THOUGHTS are no PROOF, and history has showed us that many many things had to be revised and changed, coz it wasnt adding up with reality. SCIENCE is a EVER CHANGING FIELD OF INTERPRETATIONS. The fault is that we seek evidence for what we THINK, and not for what IS ... coz THAT could be something we couldnt THINK to be true or existing. So scientists fill in gaps with THESISES and probabilities, which are in line of previous THOUGHTS.
Just like now : We THINK it can not be, but PROOF and real mesurments showed its accuracy ... but STILL WE THINK it is NOT POSSIBLE, coz it is beyond the conditions we have been thought in school.
So sad ....


NOT JUST 1 SINGLE EXPERIMENT:
Article: "The new tests, completed 6 November, did away with the statistical analysis by splitting each pulse into bunches just 1- to 2-nanoseconds long, allowing each neutrino detected at Gran Sasso to be tied to a particular bunch produced at CERN. These tests were carried out over 10 days and provided 20 events. The researchers confirmed that the neutrinos arrived 60 nanoseconds early, with an uncertainty of about 10 nanoseconds, comparable to that of the initial result. "

15 researchers/scientists did not agree with the results, but 180 (!!!) did ...


NEUTRINO:
There are many neutrino-observatories in the world, to study neutrino's itself, and to watch and study THE EFFECTS they have ON OTHER particles. Cherencov-radiation is 1 of the seen and measured effects of neutrino's. An other effect is that they change the decayrate of radioactive particles. Many sidestudies look at potassium and other materials linked with the effects of neutrino's, wheter these neutrino's come from the sun, from ancient supernovae-waves reaching us, or other reasons. In some cases they dont even know WHERE the neutrino's are comming from exactly ....
I can sum up all the observatories and institutions working with it, but it also easy to find yourself on google ...


AGREE:
I agree with you that it is wise and learnfull to let other institutions and groups test this themselves. So that all data can be studied and peer-viewed/shared with the world.


We are traveling through an area in space we have NEVER BEEN BEFORE, this plain is one with more neutrino's in it, with more charged particles as ever before in written history of Humankind ... OUR POSITION in the Galaxy and Univers can bring changes to measurements done before. The Univers is NOT A CONSTANT, it is a place with many different conditions and compositions in energetical particals of many kinds, who ALL AFFECT LIFE WHAT IS TRAVELING THROUGH IT. We are now in a cycle that has been told to bring us changes, and even NASA confirmed that we are traveling through more energetical matter/particles. They have an effect on the SUN and on PATERNS on Earth and on our own DNA ...



hf It was not my intention to DISS you,
but I wnated to show an other view.

We come from CHAOS,
we arranged into STRUCTURE and PATERNS,
but Life is not STATIC ...
it is a constant CHANGE and ADAPTION in FLEXABILITY.
We are a CONSTANT MOVEMENT, instead of a Constant CONSTANT.

As sciences devellops and measuring equipments become more accurate and precise, we will see and understand our flaws in THINKING and assumptions, and will we better understand the mechanics of the Univers and Life.
Science is often only the confirmation of what many already FELT to be true ...
The muze of a genius often sprouts from intuition and visionary tunning into the Matter of What-IS. Equipments are develloped to prove these 'hunches' and feelings, not the other way around, imo.

tnx.
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Thank you Krispy. I get tired of these jackasses. Good job.
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Faster-than-light has NOT been confirmed. All that has been discovered is a more accurate way to determine the speed of light. Light just got a little faster.
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Lol SickScent lolsign

I know your long and accurate studies in this field of research. You rock !
But for some, even FACING proof and reality will not be enough, and they will still shout in denial ;)

xx
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Apparently you morons don't understand statistics.

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Apparently you morons don't understand statistics.

pick
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Statistics can be wrong also,
---> check history ..lol... many acconts for that to show they/some of them were NOT CORRECT after all.

Statistics are determind by the measured quotum,
the measured group ... If I sellect a specific group, my statistics do NOT HAVE to reflect REALITY.
Statistics are still only assumptions and an 'aproximanation' BASED on a select group or select area :)

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Apparently you morons don't understand statistics.

pick
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Statistics can be wrong also,
---> check history ..lol... many acconts for that to show they/some of them were NOT CORRECT after all.

Statistics are determind by the measured quotum,
the measured group ... If I sellect a specific group, my statistics do NOT HAVE to reflect REALITY.
Statistics are still only assumptions and an 'aproximanation' BASED on a select group or select area :)
 Quoting: Krispy71


Mmmhhmmm. So either it's a statistical anomaly that needs to be repeated many times over, and thus not " confirmed ".

Or, it's possibly wrong, according to your definition of statistics.

Either way, this thread is wrong.

Go ahead guys, make another " wtf is science doing, they don't know anything!!! " thread.

norespect
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Mmmhhmmm. So either it's a statistical anomaly that needs to be repeated many times over, and thus not " confirmed ".

Or, it's possibly wrong, according to your definition of statistics.

Either way, this thread is wrong.

Go ahead guys, make another " wtf is science doing, they don't know anything!!! " thread.

norespect
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No, its not EIGHTER/OR ...

Statistics are based on the same unchangable STATIC conditions ... and THAT is not the case with LIFE and MATTER.
Biology proved that there are many many UNSUSPECTED UNSTATISTICAL results, which are NO ANOMALIES eighter.
The fact that WE couldnt THINK and imagine something to be able or true, doesnt make it UNTRUE or unreal-alistic.

Our KNOWLEDGE isnt almighty, and Nature and Science have proved that many times.
It is fine to track Theories and statistics when we keep in mind that there could be space/room for alteration and perfection in the defenitions and 'formulations we glued onto Reality' ...

In most of our humans-eyes, mind and perception, this measurement of faster-then-light neutrino's is an anomaly or a flaw. Understandable.
It sure is wise and educational to repeat the tests in order to determine new insights and defenitions, I agree. It IS CONFIRMED to have happened during more then 1 test, so that doesnt makes it an anomaly nor a singularity any more.

Other data that comes from CERN/LHC isnt debated and tried to debunk as much as this outcome ... again understandable and in line of human-psychology. If something is in line of our expectations it is more easely adapted as being TRUE and possible. We are conditioned that way. I dont blame you or others to think that way.

What we must not forget is that (since the first existance of life and evolution) we are traveling in a constant of different compositions of space. Our trajectory and path through space is not the same as 50 years ago. Nasa confirmed that we are traveling through a cloud of different interstellar particles, and dont forget the influence on us AND SPACE of the Fluffy/Ribbon that is nearing faster and faster. Or even dont take out of account that we are aproaching an UNIQUE allignment of different universal objects (Galaxy's, suns and planets) that also have their influence on all the objects in participation ! Gravitational and magnetical as well as electrical changes go with that. We didnt have THOSE when STATISTICS were formulated decades ago !!!!

Science = measuring the effects that something has on an other thing, ..
and that EVERYTHING has an INFLUENCE on EVERYTHING !

So ... a different enviroment can show different measurements. And since we are actually traveling through a different ENVIROMENT then years ago, it could be possible to measure different outcomes.
Dont forget that the Sun is behaving differently then decades before, more neutrino's have been measured, and although they interact rarely directly with other Matter, they have shown to INTERACT and being responsable for a lot of alterations (like the increase in the radioactive particles decay-rate ...)

The only flaw in science and measurements is, that WE can only measure what we are LOOKING for, and of which we have knowledge of !!! When scientists didnt KNOW about INFRA-RED WAVES, they couldnt measure it and were not looking for it, thus in our perception they DID NOT EXIST ... when in REALITY THEY DID EXIST.

I dont have to mention that there is still more that we DONT have knowledge of, then that of what we do know ... The UNIVERS is still a major mistery that we try to understand with thesises that fill in gaps between assumptions that dont nessacarely have to be correct.
In the Middleages they had THE ASSUMPTION and STATISTIC that the Earth was FLAT, and the center of our solarsystem ... Well .... We NOW KNOW that was a BIG FLAW in defenition ...lol...


I agree that some measurements can be POSSIBLY WRONG. That is what science is about : looking for POSSIBILITIES !



It is not important wheter this thread is RIGHT or WRONG ...
it is important that we dare to look beyond the borders of statistical perception,
that we have a look at POSSIBILITIES,
in the knowledge that we can be "spot-on", or "partially right", "partially wrong" ... or even after a while come to the conclusion that it indeed turned out to be a wild-goose-chase ....


If science would only hold on to what is KNOW and STATISTICAL, NO NEW INVENTIONS WOULD ARRISE ... and NO NEW KNOWLEDGE would be GAINED !

Tnx
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Re: HOLY SHIZNIT!!! Faster-than-light neutrinos confirmed
A questioning view for your enjoyment.

[link to blogs.discovermagazine.com]

I remember years ago hearing about an astronomer Bohdan Paczynski who discovered by observation that gamma ray bursts were not just from our galaxy.

Science at first thought he was just plain wrong, until he was proven correct that Gamma Ray bursts were coming from from other galaxies.

It is all covered in this 3 part series

[link to www.youtube.com]

He gets his mention at the end of Part 1 and the beginning of Part 2.

Science will rightly defend E=MC2 very strongly because it has served them well over the past nearly 100 years.

Sorry but I am really hoping that this new finding is correct!
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