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Message Subject HOLY SHIZNIT!!! Faster-than-light neutrinos confirmed
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These neutrinos did not travel faster than light.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3632012


Hold on tight to that Standard Model. Deny, deny, deny if you have to, but for God's sake, do not let go of the Standard Model.

Otherwise, your head may explode.
 Quoting: SickScent




The experiment was not confirmed. Many other experiments have been done for decades and neutrinos always had a velocity close to the speed of light.

Besides neutrinos are very hard to detect. That's why for so many years people thought they were massless.

With such a difficult procedure confirmation must come from different groups to validate the data. So far only the OPERA group in CERN detected superluminal neutrinos (by a very small degree) which is not to be expected. So they addressed the scientific community to verify if they could reproduce the experiment.

2 other groups accepted the challenge. The data so far wasn't peer reviewd nor the OPERA group came foeward with any new physics. Sensationalist media (uninformed) just picked up with it and claimed to be confirmed when they don't have any idea what has been done.


So NO it was NOT confirmed. One single experiment doesn't validate all the other ones.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5624773


Sorry but I want to show you that some of your statements are incorrect.

Here you can read it in the origional article: [link to news.sciencemag.org]

YES IT WAS CONFIRMED:
Article: "New high-precision tests carried out by the OPERA collaboration in Italy broadly confirm its claim, made in September, to have detected neutrinos travelling at faster than the speed of light."
--> So the FIRST experiments were in SEPTEMBER, and they made a CLAIM, NEW tests (more then 1) (completed 6 NOVEMBER) confirmed the prior claim TO BE TRUE.
So several tests were done to study this occurance ...
Although : the RESULTS of THE PAST are NO GUARANTEE for results in the FUTURE !
Technology changes and becomes more precise. If we were to hold on to what they measured and thought in the MiddleAges we would be still (**fill in yourself**).


THOUGHTS are no PROOF, and history has showed us that many many things had to be revised and changed, coz it wasnt adding up with reality. SCIENCE is a EVER CHANGING FIELD OF INTERPRETATIONS. The fault is that we seek evidence for what we THINK, and not for what IS ... coz THAT could be something we couldnt THINK to be true or existing. So scientists fill in gaps with THESISES and probabilities, which are in line of previous THOUGHTS.
Just like now : We THINK it can not be, but PROOF and real mesurments showed its accuracy ... but STILL WE THINK it is NOT POSSIBLE, coz it is beyond the conditions we have been thought in school.
So sad ....


NOT JUST 1 SINGLE EXPERIMENT:
Article: "The new tests, completed 6 November, did away with the statistical analysis by splitting each pulse into bunches just 1- to 2-nanoseconds long, allowing each neutrino detected at Gran Sasso to be tied to a particular bunch produced at CERN. These tests were carried out over 10 days and provided 20 events. The researchers confirmed that the neutrinos arrived 60 nanoseconds early, with an uncertainty of about 10 nanoseconds, comparable to that of the initial result. "

15 researchers/scientists did not agree with the results, but 180 (!!!) did ...


NEUTRINO:
There are many neutrino-observatories in the world, to study neutrino's itself, and to watch and study THE EFFECTS they have ON OTHER particles. Cherencov-radiation is 1 of the seen and measured effects of neutrino's. An other effect is that they change the decayrate of radioactive particles. Many sidestudies look at potassium and other materials linked with the effects of neutrino's, wheter these neutrino's come from the sun, from ancient supernovae-waves reaching us, or other reasons. In some cases they dont even know WHERE the neutrino's are comming from exactly ....
I can sum up all the observatories and institutions working with it, but it also easy to find yourself on google ...


AGREE:
I agree with you that it is wise and learnfull to let other institutions and groups test this themselves. So that all data can be studied and peer-viewed/shared with the world.


We are traveling through an area in space we have NEVER BEEN BEFORE, this plain is one with more neutrino's in it, with more charged particles as ever before in written history of Humankind ... OUR POSITION in the Galaxy and Univers can bring changes to measurements done before. The Univers is NOT A CONSTANT, it is a place with many different conditions and compositions in energetical particals of many kinds, who ALL AFFECT LIFE WHAT IS TRAVELING THROUGH IT. We are now in a cycle that has been told to bring us changes, and even NASA confirmed that we are traveling through more energetical matter/particles. They have an effect on the SUN and on PATERNS on Earth and on our own DNA ...



hf It was not my intention to DISS you,
but I wnated to show an other view.

We come from CHAOS,
we arranged into STRUCTURE and PATERNS,
but Life is not STATIC ...
it is a constant CHANGE and ADAPTION in FLEXABILITY.
We are a CONSTANT MOVEMENT, instead of a Constant CONSTANT.

As sciences devellops and measuring equipments become more accurate and precise, we will see and understand our flaws in THINKING and assumptions, and will we better understand the mechanics of the Univers and Life.
Science is often only the confirmation of what many already FELT to be true ...
The muze of a genius often sprouts from intuition and visionary tunning into the Matter of What-IS. Equipments are develloped to prove these 'hunches' and feelings, not the other way around, imo.

tnx.
 
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