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Has anyone ever used the art of Aikido in a fight to defend yourself ?

 
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If you are comparing martial arts vs another martial art, you are an idiot.

It's matter of how good the person is, not how good the art is.


That said, Aikido is highly philosophical and spiritual in term. It differs from most martial arts because of this.


The founder taught about the use of "KI" energy, which is very foreign and dull to most westerners.
He implied the KI is strong when the mind is clear, but a mind that is focused on the opponent or an idea is very constricted. Also known as attachment, in Buddhist term. If you want to be fast, you do not focus on that idea as that itself constricts KI. It is an art of the mind as well, but practical practices surely improve and conserve the KI.

There are other many Chi and Qigong masters in China who wield the similar abilities. For example, to weaken and intuitively guide the opponent. I know people who experienced it said their body slowly becomes out of control and immovable when you fight a chi/ki master.

Another very important thing to be said is, the founder O'Sensei said martial arts should be in a constant change, much like the universe and the very nature of reality. So I am not sure how much Aikido has changed since he was last here, but the philosophy and spirituality should not change.
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I was trained by Bruce Lee, well, one of his immediate prodigy.
So NO.
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One of my philosophy students was a professional kick boxer as well as a black belt in karate, Kung fu and judo. He is the only person I've ever known who saved his own life and the life of his girlfriend with his martial arts and boxing skills.

He and his girlfriend were getting gas late one night at a service station and two carloads of Mexicans drove in beside him. No problem, he just ignored them.

Then one of their girlfriends spoke to him and said something along the lines of "ain't you pretty"....because he is strikingly handsome. He smiled at her and said thanks.

That was all it took. They all piled out of the car and surrounded him and his girlfriend. One of them had a piece of chain, one of crowbar and one a pipe. The other two had just their hands.

He said he was lucky he was wearing his cowboy boots that night...

When the first one came at him with the crowbar, he did a spin kick and took out all his front teeth. While they were still shocked at that, he moved away from the car out into the open so he could move.

Then from there he told the others to back off or he might have to kill them. They just laughed at him and all four ran at him at once. He went into high gear and broke ones leg, another he kicked so hard in the groin that he went down and never got up and the last one bugged out.

His girlfriend in the meantime had called the police, so they showed up and stopped a y further fighting. So, four out of five ended up in the hospital.

If he wouldn't have had his skills, chances are he and his god would be dead or severely injured.

He told me that he felt like all his training and practicing and fighting had been to prepare him for that one night.

He now teaches martial arts to the police dept.
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Hell yes, Aikido used by the correct person is ultra-violent.
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One of my philosophy students was a professional kick boxer as well as a black belt in karate, Kung fu and judo. He is the only person I've ever known who saved his own life and the life of his girlfriend with his martial arts and boxing skills.

He and his girlfriend were getting gas late one night at a service station and two carloads of Mexicans drove in beside him. No problem, he just ignored them.

Then one of their girlfriends spoke to him and said something along the lines of "ain't you pretty"....because he is strikingly handsome. He smiled at her and said thanks.

That was all it took. They all piled out of the car and surrounded him and his girlfriend. One of them had a piece of chain, one of crowbar and one a pipe. The other two had just their hands.

He said he was lucky he was wearing his cowboy boots that night...

When the first one came at him with the crowbar, he did a spin kick and took out all his front teeth. While they were still shocked at that, he moved away from the car out into the open so he could move.

Then from there he told the others to back off or he might have to kill them. They just laughed at him and all four ran at him at once. He went into high gear and broke ones leg, another he kicked so hard in the groin that he went down and never got up and the last one bugged out.

His girlfriend in the meantime had called the police, so they showed up and stopped a y further fighting. So, four out of five ended up in the hospital.

If he wouldn't have had his skills, chances are he and his god would be dead or severely injured.

He told me that he felt like all his training and practicing and fighting had been to prepare him for that one night.

He now teaches martial arts to the police dept.
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The last two bugged out...sorry. I guess when they saw what he was capable of they didn't want any. So it was 3 of the 5 that went to hospital.
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I don't think any martial art does a good job of preparing you for fighting someone much bigger than you. I've seen two big guys just punch each other in the head dozens of times, both were still standing and punching away until they just gave up and said forget it, they both walked home. Unless you can take that many blows to the head like that, without any gloves on, no martial art will train you for that.

But there is the balance and the throwing that still is good to learn from martial arts. I once trained with a little 100 pound Asian woman who was able to knock me off balance just by blocking one of my punches. When she punched she was so connected to the ground that when I blocked her hits I was moving back and off balance.

Really all I'm saying is you don't want to slug it out with someone, especially if he's larger than you. If you have to fight, move in, take the opponents center, get him off balance, and attempt a throw.

Or IMO the best way is to just carry a 6" knife on your belt everywhere you go. This is not too uncommon in small towns like where I live. This will tell thugs that you mean business, and it doesn't make you look like a weirdo... it's not like your carrying a machete or a bastard sword, you're just carrying a 6" fixed blade as if it's for work or something and you got it next to your multitool on your belt.

Carrying a little knife like that will also give you a descent chance if someone pulls a gun on you as well, because usually if someone mugs you they will be very close.
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I don't think any martial art does a good job of preparing you for fighting someone much bigger than you. I've seen two big guys just punch each other in the head dozens of times, both were still standing and punching away until they just gave up and said forget it, they both walked home. Unless you can take that many blows to the head like that, without any gloves on, no martial art will train you for that.

But there is the balance and the throwing that still is good to learn from martial arts. I once trained with a little 100 pound Asian woman who was able to knock me off balance just by blocking one of my punches. When she punched she was so connected to the ground that when I blocked her hits I was moving back and off balance.

Really all I'm saying is you don't want to slug it out with someone, especially if he's larger than you. If you have to fight, move in, take the opponents center, get him off balance, and attempt a throw.

Or IMO the best way is to just carry a 6" knife on your belt everywhere you go. This is not too uncommon in small towns like where I live. This will tell thugs that you mean business, and it doesn't make you look like a weirdo... it's not like your carrying a machete or a bastard sword, you're just carrying a 6" fixed blade as if it's for work or something and you got it next to your multitool on your belt.

Carrying a little knife like that will also give you a descent chance if someone pulls a gun on you as well, because usually if someone mugs you they will be very close.
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After posting all this, I forgot to answer the OP's question. My opinion is YES, judging my standards of a good martial art I think aikido is great in a fight because like I said in the previous post, you do NOT want to slug it out with an opponent. You want to move in, take their center, and keep your center, that's it. I mentioned Wing Chun as being good for this, but yes aikido is great for this as well.

You have to realize most people on the street are going to use a side stance when they fight, and so it's very easy for you to throw them off balance once you close in if you can get in more of a square stance like a wrestling or football stance. Even if they outweigh you by 100 pounds, if they are in a side stance and you are in a wrestling stance, if you take their center they are going down.
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when one is focused on the art of peace, not "winning" or vanquishing an opponent, seeking only to bring the adversary in to harmonious relation to the whole, the individual engaged in discord and violence is at a disadvantage. The aikido master has seen all possible moves, remains vulnerable to all drawing an opponent close to unity, where all strife and fear is forgotten .

Where the violent man sees two opposed and clashing forces, the master sees one, seeking only greater wisdom.

Any aggression is added to and directed not countered. Thus all of the aggression the opponent generates is used to bring the opponent into harmony with the art of peace. The aikido master preserves every bit of energy, gesturing only slightly to shortcircuit and undermine violent action. It is only a matter of time before the aggressor runs of steam, to be filled by yearning to learn the art of peace.

Aikido is about more than defending yourself, it is about defending all selves from harm whenever possible even if certain individuals lacking wisdom seek to harm you. The goal is enlightenment of all parties, and you fight ignorance with understanding.
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Hell yes, Aikido used by the correct person is ultra-violent.
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here is the same guy getting hi ass kicked

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No OP, I practice a little Aikido but both times someone came at me it ended in 1: gracie guard wit me holding him until someone gets him off, no damage to either party, or B: tussling a bit until people calmed us down.

Aikido is more about self discipline. These days I do Aikijitsu, but my Chinese teacher tells me it's all learned from even older Chinese masters, and he knows the whole lineage, and is a hell of a fighter. So, Japanese, Chinese, whatever, it's about budo and being honorable, and having a good ability to preserve life. That's all.
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here is the same guy getting hi ass kicked

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You will see some fake shit.

However, the gist of your video, at 2:30 or so, the opponent grabs his gi, and that's because it is an old man, who is trying to maintain his dignity, he is not even supposed to be in that situation, but yeah, his reflexes at the grab level may be poor, and he pulled away, and the guy was merciless, not budo at all. But he raises his hands like kublikhan.

Well, he also won money, so I guess the old dude had a bit of pride. But, the guy really got that last kick in with a vengeance, and so I supppose it is the UFC idea. And yet, a true Aikidoka, would grapple this dude in half a second, no way would any aikidoka move backward like that and get kicked, this man was also using kinda invisible chi/ki techniques on students, and to me, that's silly.
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Hahah, I just thought of that great Direct TV commercial where they jokingly say the chain of events

WHEN THE GRID GOES DOWN > PEOPLE RIOT
PEOPLE RIOT > PUNCH OLD MEN FOR SOUP

Haha, TV is programming of course. What I love most about that commercial, is the shitbag dude that punches the old man, haha, he's slick, just fades away like some rioting POS. I pray each time I see that commercial that his head explodes in gunfire but it does not. Oh well, I will watch Robocop and hope for the best.
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Has anyone ever used the art of Aikido in a fight to defend yourself ? Or defend others?
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yes I have and you'd be surprised how easy it is to use someone's energy and momentum against them. Redirect their energy and they go flying with little effort on my part. They go flying like rag dolls, get a shoulder dislocated if Im so inclined, wrist submissions are easy (they go to their knees quickly), swirled around and on their back in a flash if they're just steeet punks. Yes it works quite well.
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I am just going to say this here.

Just like they took BJJ out of UFC because it wasn't the 'boxing pace' they waqnted, if they let real Aikidka fight UFC fighters, they will lose the entire UFC +1.

That is all.
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Re: Has anyone ever used the art of Aikido in a fight to defend yourself ?
IMO...
Boxing, Muay Tai, Karate (various forms), TKD; use this for combined stand up striking. Use the basic stance of Karate (constant movement counter/attack), knees and elbows from Muay Tai, american boxing for attack and counters with hands, use karate, Muay Tai, TKD for some useful kicks...

Grappling: catch-as-catch-can wrestling, combined with BJJ is very good. Use some Judo techniques for defense for close in.

Multiple opponents: Karate using quick strikes to throat and groin, Krav Maga them and run like the wind...if you can help it, no death strikes.


Aikdo? never known anyone who found it effective (unless they were paid by someone like Segal, think, who that might be? hint he lost 2X to Chris.)
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I am highly trained in Muay Thai and moderately trained in Brazilian. A good wrestler or boxer would be a real challenge for that Akido master. I would knock him out.
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Has anyone ever used the art of Aikido in a fight to defend yourself ? Or defend others?
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yes I have and you'd be surprised how easy it is to use someone's energy and momentum against them. Redirect their energy and they go flying with little effort on my part. They go flying like rag dolls, get a shoulder dislocated if Im so inclined, wrist submissions are easy (they go to their knees quickly), swirled around and on their back in a flash if they're just steeet punks. Yes it works quite well.
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Yep, why do you think they focus on this with police academy students? You can teach a scrawny little woman how to do wrist locks and she can takedown some pretty big guys, I've trained with a few women who went through police academy and they could kick my ass any day.
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All those early UFCs were won by Gracies, and then there were dudes like Marco Ruas and such who literally could not be choked out. These later UFC are more like bloodsport.

Actually some of the best critical damage fighters in real life are wrestlers, both college and professionals (yes its part dance but part fighting). I would never have to worry about fighting a pro wrestler tho because they learn quick that even if you can beat a man hand to hand, a kinfe at that range is not fun. So, let's all agree to talk things out, and I am sure it will be fine.

But if some homeboy and his crew are circling you, I would say make sure you break at least one bone to scare off the rest, I mean who the fuck travels in packs? Fuckin dogs that who, not humans. Human male walks without the need for some pack or crew to roam with him. Fucking gangs of men is what doomed the city of sodom. Don't forget that.
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I am highly trained in Muay Thai and moderately trained in Brazilian. A good wrestler or boxer would be a real challenge for that Akido master. I would knock him out.
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Muy thai boxer defeated by tai chi using very aiki techniques, kneee grabbing, etc.. But I know you are a bad ass so props to you friend.

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I've never once seen an Aikido fighter in the UFC so I doubt it's very useful.
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I've never once seen an Aikido fighter in the UFC so I doubt it's very useful.
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It is very useful against overly aggressive opponents. I used it in a bar fight about 9 years ago.....guy charged me full speed I grabbed one arm and spun him face first into a palm tree.
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How bout some "Wing chun"!!!
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Aikido is a state of mind. Sure, you might get your ass beaten in that state of mind, but more than likely, not.

Now, my sensei, was a Judoka before studying Aikido. So, he was already a bad ass with serious martial skill, because Judo is bad ass. However, Judo is less circular, more about balance.

Well, in Judo, you have to stand still, kinda in a circle. In Octogon or a room, you have corners --you can get trapped in them. Outside on street corner, you are open to run and flee. So, if it were me, I might flee if the guy seemed armed, because guns kill people, and people who are dead inside, start fights for no reason. So, leaving gracefully is always wisest.

But now I study Aikijujitsu and it is interesting to hear my teacher talk about what he knows. Indeed, I have found that respect, is what allows masters to impart their fighting skills to you. Even a brute like Mike Tyson wouldn't have been anything but a shitty dirtbag roaming with his homies, if he had not listened to a wise fight trainer. So when you see those pack rats beating up some isolated person, well, there is mike tyson with no training. Thugs will get f'ed up by anyone who practices a martial art seriously. It's awareness and preserving life than makes a man able to stay, a living man.
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Honestly, if you're going to get jumped, just start taking off all your clothes and start rubbing one out. I seriously wouldn't even touch a guy who tried pulling that shit, and most of the people i know would avoid that type of crap, as well.

Crazy takes no training.
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Wing chun would be a lot more useful, or judo, or hell just being a solid boxer will win most fights.
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i second wing chun.. close quarter combat..
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i also think Kendo is bloody useless.. if you ain;t got no piece of long wood - you're sh*t.
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Wing chun would be a lot more useful, or judo, or hell just being a solid boxer will win most fights.
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i second wing chun.. close quarter combat..
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It's kind of hard to get some branches of Wing Chun to work well. Make sure the school you go to spars regularly, otherwise a lot of these schools just teach you a bunch of fluff and when you get into the real world the wing chun practicitioner says "Whoa? what was that, a HOOK???"
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I am highly trained in Muay Thai and moderately trained in Brazilian. A good wrestler or boxer would be a real challenge for that Akido master. I would knock him out.
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Muy thai boxer defeated by tai chi using very aiki techniques, kneee grabbing, etc.. But I know you are a bad ass so props to you friend.


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^^^ in defense of muy thai at 5:30 his leg sweep is awesome. They kinda butted and then when they separated, wham, that ankle kick swept kung fu guy right down. But also, he fell well, and falling has everything to do with getting up.

All martial skill is good, the hard thing is not to be a dick.
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One thing too is that grapple style like BJJ and Aikido and Aiki-jujitsu --they do not mess around. They close the gap and are happier the more intimate it gets. Tight, ground, no problem.

BUT, this can get you knifed, or so it seems to me. Though I practice inside work, I always keep a mind out for knife when opponent losing, therefore, best path is not to fight but to talk, because guts spilling on the ground ruins everyone's day or night.

But so then there is the stand up entertainment meatfest which we might call "boxing" or what I posted above, kung fu v. muy thai --still mostly boxing. Well, these are stand up, punch count, technical types of contest.

So, the contest, is the context. A housewife with a steak knife if the best combatant in the world, if she gets the jump on her dickhead abusing husband, and gaks him when he's coming around the corner. So too, he also probably had a lot of chances to talk it out and save his own life. I am saying, combat happens because people don't talk. And when combat happens, you are as vulnerable as any other human, which means: very.
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In this video, at 2:35 an amateur viewer from the street tries to lay hands on the sensei. Grips, joint twists and balance tricks pretty much work on him.





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