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This preacher shocked everyone with this message! its terrifying to think he is correct that the vast majority of us are heading for eternal hell

 
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untill ive got bodies piled up like cord wood i do not deserve the privledge or recommendations to go there. unless i was a politician .
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repentance is always a good message but we must remember Jesus paid the full price for ALL our sins

and sometimes we just won't see fruit we're looking for in everybody

lack of apparent fruit is not at all necessary to adjudge regeneration

we do the loving let God do the judging :-) and remember we have our advocat Jesus Christ

love rb
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repentance is always a good message but we must remember Jesus paid the full price for ALL our sins

and sometimes we just won't see fruit we're looking for in everybody

lack of apparent fruit is not at all necessary to adjudge regeneration

we do the loving let God do the judging :-) and remember we have our advocat Jesus Christ

love rb
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Absolutely. I haven't belonged to a church since I closed my business back in 2007. I have my reasons but I wish I were going...wish I were going to a good bible-believing church. They don't seem to be around. We go to church on Easter and at Christmas...and it bothers me. It's complicated.
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Funny how once you remove the threat and fear behind Christianity, it becomes a toothless brontosaurus with absolutely no purpose or significance.

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Sorry, but you are obviosly an apostate heretic who possibly ( and I say only possibly ) at one time or another tried to make himslf believe, and never knew Gods True Savings Grace . I really feel sorry for you and will let you momementarily stream on my river of thoughts when I speak to the Lord. You really are a lost soul.
Romans 8:25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
Heb 1:3 who being the shining splendor of His glory, and the express image of His essence, and upholding all things by the Word of His power, having made purification of our sins through Himself, He sat down on the right of the Majesty on high, Psa. 110:1
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oh please, were already in hell.
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oh please, were already in hell.
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No fire here . It feels like hell because we live in a rebellious and sinful world with God's curses on it .
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Re: This preacher shocked everyone with this message! its terrifying to think he is correct that the vast majority of us are heading for eternal hell
A Bible segment that popped out the other day:

Luke 16:15

And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God.

This preacher is highly esteemed, yes? What does that verse say? Abomination. Blech.
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^^SUCH^^ is the danger and misleading of "proof texting" of any kind.

I do *not* agree with all that pastor says, and I certainly do *not* agree with his style and approach, but I would never "proof text" abomination on him.
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It's funny, I didn't even watch the video. It's geared towards teenagers. You've seen one rally you've seen them all. But your self-righteous bullcrap is for the toilet, regardless of your esteem for yourself. I never did that "on him" it's a statement for the reader to finish whether yes or no.

This response of yours has nothing to do with the video. This has something to do with YOU in your world and your concepts of what high esteem is. Maybe you have high self esteem, and now it's got you thinking, could you be an abomination to God? This is your problem, not mine. You need a blessing to stop correcting those who have no need of correction.

If you were educated you'd figure out what abomination means.
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Hell is a fairy tale to keep the kids in line and it works pretty well.

If your going to church out of fear of hell, your going for the wrong reason. It's Love of God thats the right reason!

I don't think The lord would throw his children into an eternal lake of torment and fire ruled over by some evil Clown.

Santa, The easter Bunny, hell and the tooth fairy are fictions.

Nope, don't believe in it.

I apologize if i spilled the beans on the ester bunny and that upset anyone :)

Best Wishes,

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love this post and your avatar

hf
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Funny how once you remove the threat and fear behind Christianity, it becomes a toothless brontosaurus with absolutely no purpose or significance.

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Sorry, but you are obviosly an apostate heretic who possibly ( and I say only possibly ) at one time or another tried to make himslf believe, and never knew Gods True Savings Grace . I really feel sorry for you and will let you momementarily stream on my river of thoughts when I speak to the Lord. You really are a lost soul.
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Calling someone an "Apostate heretic" and a "Lost soul" simply because they were hurt and abused by the hellfire doctrines of the religious system of the church only shows that you too have been hurt by the false hellfire doctrines as well.

You are angry..and I understand that.

But please..when you look down on someone..you fail to see what is above you.

They are not lost..just hurt and bleeding like you..like I was too.

Grow in grace and compassion..NO one is truly "Lost"..they have simply NOT been found yet.

If Jesus went out of his way to find and help the lost sheep..then should we not do likewise?
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hell is real... but who ends up there is the topic at hand.

according to scripture, Satan, Death, False Prophet, and anyone that cannot be purified from evil are the ones that will end up there.
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This guy is telling these supposed Protestants some of what the reformers preached and believed. Apparently he spent some significant time studying, unlike most so-called preachers today.

He's spot on in his comments about 'American Christianity'. I fear American churches are close to being totally apostate. Most want a false teacher to tickle their ears and make them feel good. Truth is a flame... it doesn't tickle.
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Yup, it don't tickel to delusional christians that can't take responsibility for their own cognition, and admit religion in general is maladaptive, has solved NOTHING but created multitudes of separatism, war, and other social problems. Religion supresses human intellectual evolution and this mental stagnation benefits the elite, who wrote the bible..

C'mon man. If that were al really true, would the Devil (who is ruler of the physical world, right?) all bibles to still be sold in wall marts and targets, en massee?

Some of the bible is mysteriously predictive (like, the number of the beast, its use in trade.. synonumous with currency and the control of it today), and mathew 21"12 where jesus overturned the tables of the money changers, and they crucified him for it... that i could believe.

Or old testament of adam and eve, is true.

women basically fuck men over for following their advice.

Other various truths exist, like Jesus calling for common law (love your neighbor=do no harm to person or property). The bible should be taken as a philosophical guideline, but not as any type of authority or fear based ideology over your life. Think of the bible in terms of Buhdism, take the lessons, without the authoritarian garbage, or demonization of non believers; that shit was added or edited in by the elite.

It is also in a way an entertainment vestige, because revelations is purely astrological, referring to the constellation mary (woman giving birth), and cronos (consumer of his own children)...

same way christ is the sun and the 12 disciples are the 12 astrological signs. the story is based on the spring and winter actions of the sun, its why "easter (when christ (the sun) rises), is celerated in spring, and winter solstice (when winter begins, less sunlight) is celebrated in late december....
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This is why many Christians will be in trouble. Because if the Vatican is the whore of Babylon, and the Catholic system started *all this western holiday* stuff... well I think if they figured it out, they wouldn't be coming back every weekend. Really, lots of those places are just whitewashed sodom and gomorrahs.
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hell is real... but who ends up there is the topic at hand.

according to scripture, Satan, Death, False Prophet, and anyone that cannot be purified from evil are the ones that will end up there.
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Where they WILL be purified from evil in the ages to come.'

You die the second death HERE..by dying to SELF..or you die it THERE..and die to self THERE.

Hell is NOT eternal...if it was..GOD IS HATE..NOT LOVE!
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hell is real... but who ends up there is the topic at hand.

according to scripture, Satan, Death, False Prophet, and anyone that cannot be purified from evil are the ones that will end up there.
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Where they WILL be purified from evil in the ages to come.'

You die the second death HERE..by dying to SELF..or you die it THERE..and die to self THERE.

Hell is NOT eternal...if it was..GOD IS HATE..NOT LOVE!
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nobody knows when judgment day is. it is my hunch that some purification happens during our lives, and whatever is left after that, takes place after death. then when judgment day comes, when we see Jesus face-to-face, if at this point we are not purified (and i can't really see anyone not being able to be in the presence of the Lord and not understand) then it is those who will cease to exist.

the thing is, is that death, evil, and deception are principles of this current existence that are not permanent. they will be eradicated at some point and removed. anyone who willingly chooses to associate with them will be eradicated.

personally, i can't see anyone choosing to be part of these principles after the whole thing goes down. but, according to scripture, there are a small number who will.
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I watched the whole thing. What he is saying is that we need to repent. If you deny you have to repent, you were probably never a christian. If you are drunk all the time, commit adultery, fornicate, steal, lie, etc and do not wish to stop what you are doing--you don't know God but more importantly, he does not know you. Jesus told the woman at the well,"Repent and sin no more." Is that right? God is love but he is also a judge and will pour out his wrath one day to an unrepentant world. God is not one-dimensional. He is not "All-loving" just as we are not one-dimensional.
We are soon entering a time when we might have to lay down our life to profess Jesus as Lord and Savior. Like the five year old boy he saw shot in the stomach because the boy would not renounce Jesus and he died. The stuff pastors have been preaching have not prepared the vast majority for such a time as this. And if the fruit of the spirit stinks, it stinks to high heaven. It DOES matter. Fruit of the spirit should not be compared to works. It is the result of your love for God. This is a good message. Most people who are rejecting this message are not discerning or mature in the spirit--or--do not recognize what he is saying. It's the Holy Ghost that convicts your spirit. You DO get convicted of your sin. And then you repent. To ignore this is ignoring God. If you want to ignore God, and keep saying he is nothing but love when it is not the correct understanding of a holy God...he will say he never knew you...and that would be the truth.
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Right on Tomato girl !! Praise God !

Spot on ! hf
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Romans 8:25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
Heb 1:3 who being the shining splendor of His glory, and the express image of His essence, and upholding all things by the Word of His power, having made purification of our sins through Himself, He sat down on the right of the Majesty on high, Psa. 110:1
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No one, including this nut has the right to judge the rest of us.
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That's an awesome video, and it has certainly convicted me. Here's another that will make you cry because of the truth that we've all missed from David Wilkerson who was just killed in an automobile accident.



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Why do all these preachers have to be so dramatic?

I don't think the biblical Jesus was a drama queen.
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuabITeO4l8

this video may scare you so bad that you are reduced to crying and asking for forgiveness, for others it may raise a fire in you to do God's will and for others you may care less..

i will leave it upto you, but watch how stunningly horrifying the truth is... the majority of the world is heading straight for hell and they dont know it..
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By definition this man is a TERRORIST. HERE IS TRUTH.Meaning of the Death on the Cross

(2016.6) 188:4.1 Although Jesus did not die this death on the cross to atone for the racial guilt of mortal man nor to provide some sort of effective approach to an otherwise offended and unforgiving God; even though the Son of Man did not offer himself as a sacrifice to appease the wrath of God and to open the way for sinful man to obtain salvation; notwithstanding that these ideas of atonement and propitiation are erroneous, nonetheless, there are significances attached to this death of Jesus on the cross which should not be overlooked. It is a fact that Urantia has become known among other neighboring inhabited planets as the “World of the Cross.”

(2016.7) 188:4.2 Jesus desired to live a full mortal life in the flesh on Urantia. Death is, ordinarily, a part of life. Death is the last act in the mortal drama. In your well-meant efforts to escape the superstitious errors of the false interpretation of the meaning of the death on the cross, you should be careful not to make the great mistake of failing to perceive the true significance and the genuine import of the Master’s death.

(2016.8) 188:4.3 Mortal man was never the property of the archdeceivers. Jesus did not die to ransom man from the clutch of the apostate rulers and fallen princes of the spheres. The Father in heaven never conceived of such crass injustice as damning a mortal soul because of the evil-doing of his ancestors. Neither was the Master’s death on the cross a sacrifice which consisted in an effort to pay God a debt which the race of mankind had come to owe him. *

(2016.9) 188:4.4 Before Jesus lived on earth, you might possibly have been justified in believing in such a God, but not since the Master lived and died among your fellow mortals. Moses taught the dignity and justice of a Creator God; but Jesus portrayed the love and mercy of a heavenly Father.

(2016.10) 188:4.5 The animal nature — the tendency toward evil-doing — may be hereditary, but sin is not transmitted from parent to child. Sin is the act of conscious and deliberate rebellion against the Father’s will and the Sons’ laws by an individual will creature. *

(2017.1) 188:4.6 Jesus lived and died for a whole universe, not just for the races of this one world. While the mortals of the realms had salvation even before Jesus lived and died on Urantia, it is nevertheless a fact that his bestowal on this world greatly illuminated the way of salvation; his death did much to make forever plain the certainty of mortal survival after death in the flesh.

(2017.2) 188:4.7 Though it is hardly proper to speak of Jesus as a sacrificer, a ransomer, or a redeemer, it is wholly correct to refer to him as a savior. He forever made the way of salvation (survival) more clear and certain; he did better and more surely show the way of salvation for all the mortals of all the worlds of the universe of Nebadon.

(2017.3) 188:4.8 When once you grasp the idea of God as a true and loving Father, the only concept which Jesus ever taught, you must forthwith, in all consistency, utterly abandon all those primitive notions about God as an offended monarch, a stern and all-powerful ruler whose chief delight is to detect his subjects in wrongdoing and to see that they are adequately punished, unless some being almost equal to himself should volunteer to suffer for them, to die as a substitute and in their stead. The whole idea of ransom and atonement is incompatible with the concept of God as it was taught and exemplified by Jesus of Nazareth. The infinite love of God is not secondary to anything in the divine nature.

(2017.4) 188:4.9 All this concept of atonement and sacrificial salvation is rooted and grounded in selfishness. Jesus taught that service to one’s fellows is the highest concept of the brotherhood of spirit believers. Salvation should be taken for granted by those who believe in the fatherhood of God. The believer’s chief concern should not be the selfish desire for personal salvation but rather the unselfish urge to love and, therefore, serve one’s fellows even as Jesus loved and served mortal men.

(2017.5) 188:4.10 Neither do genuine believers trouble themselves so much about the future punishment of sin. The real believer is only concerned about present separation from God. True, wise fathers may chasten their sons, but they do all this in love and for corrective purposes. They do not punish in anger, neither do they chastise in retribution.

(2017.6) 188:4.11 Even if God were the stern and legal monarch of a universe in which justice ruled supreme, he certainly would not be satisfied with the childish scheme of substituting an innocent sufferer for a guilty offender.

(2017.7) 188:4.12 The great thing about the death of Jesus, as it is related to the enrichment of human experience and the enlargement of the way of salvation, is not the fact of his death but rather the superb manner and the matchless spirit in which he met death.

(2017.8) 188:4.13 This entire idea of the ransom of the atonement places salvation upon a plane of unreality; such a concept is purely philosophic. Human salvation is real; it is based on two realities which may be grasped by the creature’s faith and thereby become incorporated into individual human experience: the fact of the fatherhood of God and its correlated truth, the brotherhood of man. It is true, after all, that you are to be “forgiven your debts, even as you forgive your debtors.”

5. Lessons from the Cross

(2017.9) 188:5.1 The cross of Jesus portrays the full measure of the supreme devotion of the true shepherd for even the unworthy members of his flock. It forever places all relations between God and man upon the family basis. God is the Father; man is his son. Love, the love of a father for his son, becomes the central truth in the universe relations of Creator and creature — not the justice of a king which seeks satisfaction in the sufferings and punishment of the evil-doing subject.

(2018.1) 188:5.2 The cross forever shows that the attitude of Jesus toward sinners was neither condemnation nor condonation, but rather eternal and loving salvation. Jesus is truly a savior in the sense that his life and death do win men over to goodness and righteous survival. Jesus loves men so much that his love awakens the response of love in the human heart. Love is truly contagious and eternally creative. Jesus’ death on the cross exemplifies a love which is sufficiently strong and divine to forgive sin and swallow up all evil-doing. Jesus disclosed to this world a higher quality of righteousness than justice — mere technical right and wrong. Divine love does not merely forgive wrongs; it absorbs and actually destroys them. The forgiveness of love utterly transcends the forgiveness of mercy. Mercy sets the guilt of evil-doing to one side; but love destroys forever the sin and all weakness resulting therefrom. Jesus brought a new method of living to Urantia. He taught us not to resist evil but to find through him a goodness which effectually destroys evil. The forgiveness of Jesus is not condonation; it is salvation from condemnation. Salvation does not slight wrongs; it makes them right. True love does not compromise nor condone hate; it destroys it. The love of Jesus is never satisfied with mere forgiveness. The Master’s love implies rehabilitation, eternal survival. It is altogether proper to speak of salvation as redemption if you mean this eternal rehabilitation.

(2018.2) 188:5.3 Jesus, by the power of his personal love for men, could break the hold of sin and evil. He thereby set men free to choose better ways of living. Jesus portrayed a deliverance from the past which in itself promised a triumph for the future. Forgiveness thus provided salvation. The beauty of divine love, once fully admitted to the human heart, forever destroys the charm of sin and the power of evil.

(2018.3) 188:5.4 The sufferings of Jesus were not confined to the crucifixion. In reality, Jesus of Nazareth spent upward of twenty-five years on the cross of a real and intense mortal existence. The real value of the cross consists in the fact that it was the supreme and final expression of his love, the completed revelation of his mercy.

(2018.4) 188:5.5 On millions of inhabited worlds, tens of trillions of evolving creatures who may have been tempted to give up the moral struggle and abandon the good fight of faith, have taken one more look at Jesus on the cross and then have forged on ahead, inspired by the sight of God’s laying down his incarnate life in devotion to the unselfish service of man.

(2018.5) 188:5.6 The triumph of the death on the cross is all summed up in the spirit of Jesus’ attitude toward those who assailed him. He made the cross an eternal symbol of the triumph of love over hate and the victory of truth over evil when he prayed, “Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do.” That devotion of love was contagious throughout a vast universe; the disciples caught it from their Master. The very first teacher of his gospel who was called upon to lay down his life in this service, said, as they stoned him to death, “Lay not this sin to their charge.”

(2018.6) 188:5.7 The cross makes a supreme appeal to the best in man because it discloses one who was willing to lay down his life in the service of his fellow men. Greater love no man can have than this: that he would be willing to lay down his life for his friends — and Jesus had such a love that he was willing to lay down his life for his enemies, a love greater than any which had hitherto been known on earth.

(2019.1) 188:5.8 On other worlds, as well as on Urantia, this sublime spectacle of the death of the human Jesus on the cross of Golgotha has stirred the emotions of mortals, while it has aroused the highest devotion of the angels.

(2019.2) 188:5.9 The cross is that high symbol of sacred service, the devotion of one’s life to the welfare and salvation of one’s fellows. The cross is not the symbol of the sacrifice of the innocent Son of God in the place of guilty sinners and in order to appease the wrath of an offended God, but it does stand forever, on earth and throughout a vast universe, as a sacred symbol of the good bestowing themselves upon the evil and thereby saving them by this very devotion of love. The cross does stand as the token of the highest form of unselfish service, the supreme devotion of the full bestowal of a righteous life in the service of wholehearted ministry, even in death, the death of the cross. And the very sight of this great symbol of the bestowal life of Jesus truly inspires all of us to want to go and do likewise.

(2019.3) 188:5.10 When thinking men and women look upon Jesus as he offers up his life on the cross, they will hardly again permit themselves to complain at even the severest hardships of life, much less at petty harassments and their many purely fictitious grievances. His life was so glorious and his death so triumphant that we are all enticed to a willingness to share both. There is true drawing power in the whole bestowal of Michael, from the days of his youth to this overwhelming spectacle of his death on the cross.

(2019.4) 188:5.11 Make sure, then, that when you view the cross as a revelation of God, you do not look with the eyes of the primitive man nor with the viewpoint of the later barbarian, both of whom regarded God as a relentless Sovereign of stern justice and rigid law-enforcement. Rather, make sure that you see in the cross the final manifestation of the love and devotion of Jesus to his life mission of bestowal upon the mortal races of his vast universe. See in the death of the Son of Man the climax of the unfolding of the Father’s divine love for his sons of the mortal spheres. The cross thus portrays the devotion of willing affection and the bestowal of voluntary salvation upon those who are willing to receive such gifts and devotion. There was nothing in the cross which the Father required — only that which Jesus so willingly gave, and which he refused to avoid.

(2019.5) 188:5.12 If man cannot otherwise appreciate Jesus and understand the meaning of his bestowal on earth, he can at least comprehend the fellowship of his mortal sufferings. No man can ever fear that the Creator does not know the nature or extent of his temporal afflictions.

(2019.6) 188:5.13 We know that the death on the cross was not to effect man’s reconciliation to God but to stimulate man’s realization of the Father’s eternal love and his Son’s unending mercy, and to broadcast these universal truths to a whole universe. [link to www.urantia.org] the white rose

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You know, all the Christians on this forum, you might win more converts if you actually acted like the guy in the story.
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You know, all the Christians on this forum, you might win more converts if you actually acted like the guy in the story.
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SO true.
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To "fear" the Lord means to take Him serious. Furthermore, perfect love casts out fear. . .does God call us to harbor literal fear when He's just going to rinse it away as we reach maturity?
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No , that is only your interpretation of it , to fear the Lord means to fear the Lord . It should be taken literally . We are Commanded to fear God , if you disagree with that , well that is between you and God then .
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Yeah, this is stuff I've been studying. The bible is rumored to state the phrase "fear not" something like 365 times (I've never counted it, though). Isn't that at least a little bit contradictory with a directive to be afraid of God?
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There is a difference between fearing Man , things of this World and fearing God . We are told not to fear things of this World because God will provide for us and protect us . But we are Commanded to fear God . That is Biblical .
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By which god? There have been so many. At least, they thought they were gods.
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No , that is only your interpretation of it , to fear the Lord means to fear the Lord . It should be taken literally . We are Commanded to fear God , if you disagree with that , well that is between you and God then .
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Yeah, this is stuff I've been studying. The bible is rumored to state the phrase "fear not" something like 365 times (I've never counted it, though). Isn't that at least a little bit contradictory with a directive to be afraid of God?
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There is a difference between fearing Man , things of this World and fearing God . We are told not to fear things of this World because God will provide for us and protect us . But we are Commanded to fear God . That is Biblical .
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By which god? There have been so many. At least, they thought they were gods.
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There is only one IMO . YAHWEH .
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OK, Ireland, serious question... what are you propagating all your talk for?
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So seeds can be planted and for the Great Yahweh to water them !!!
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Then I must inform you that the sum total of your actions on this thread (and many others) is to repel people from God.
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That is your opinion . But do you really know Him ???

Matthew 7:21-23
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

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Obviously, YOU DON'T! Believe me, I have communed with this higher consciousness. Go ahead and believe in your hellfire and damnation.
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If I'm going to hell then why am I still trying to be sober and nice?

Fuck that. I'm gonna drink and party on the way down.
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So seeds can be planted and for the Great Yahweh to water them !!!
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Then I must inform you that the sum total of your actions on this thread (and many others) is to repel people from God.
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That is your opinion . But do you really know Him ???

Matthew 7:21-23
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

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Obviously, YOU DON'T! Believe me, I have communed with this higher consciousness. Go ahead and believe in your hellfire and damnation.
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I know my God and He knows me , we have a great relationship .
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Re: This preacher shocked everyone with this message! its terrifying to think he is correct that the vast majority of us are heading for eternal hell
Paul Washer = empty talker, false prophet

If he were a true prophet his web site would come down hard on things like homosexuality, fornication, adultery, etc. Instead, his web site talks about supporting these (corrupt) 501-c, tax exempt churches we have today.

The Scriptures warn us in many places about false prophets. Here are just a few:

Matthew 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

Matthew 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

Mark 13:22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall show signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.

2 Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

1 John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.


The ones above that Christ tells about are "end of the age" prophecies. The Book of Revelation also talks about false prophets.
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the emphasis being upon one false prophet in particular as per Revelations...

that being the individual who comes at the 6th Trump professing to be Christ. since this individual will not be in a flesh body but rather in his spiritual embodiment and supernatural in nature, he will be able to perform miracles in the sight of witnessess to further push his agenda, that being to convince the world that He is Christ returned.

if you fail to bear this in mind you will easily be deceived and will be found worshipping him at the 7th Trump when the true Christ arrives.

hence you will for all intents and purposes "be in bed with this anti-christ" rendering yourself to be ineligible to participate in the wedding feast or being included in the first resurrection at that time.

pretty simple really, save for the fact that the word also advises us that only Gods Election will recognize this interloper as the fake that he is and the rest will be sent strong delusion that they might more readily believe upon the lie.
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You know, all the Christians on this forum, you might win more converts if you actually acted like the guy in the story.
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Nobody's trying to win converts, Jeez... give me a break!
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuabITeO4l8

this video may scare you so bad that you are reduced to crying and asking for forgiveness, for others it may raise a fire in you to do God's will and for others you may care less..

i will leave it upto you, but watch how stunningly horrifying the truth is... the majority of the world is heading straight for hell and they dont know it..
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Paul David Washer is a false prophet, a member of the apostate Southern Baptist Convention (SBC), who teaches Lordship Salvation. Here's a one hour video sermon where Mr. Washer brainwashes a group of 5,000 youths to believe that they cannot be saved unless they stop living in sin. Like it or not, salvation is a free gift which does not require self-righteous works. Don't Mess with the Gospel.

[link to www.jesus-is-savior.com]





[link to www.jesus-is-savior.com]
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THIS
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuabITeO4l8

this video may scare you so bad that you are reduced to crying and asking for forgiveness, for others it may raise a fire in you to do God's will and for others you may care less..

i will leave it upto you, but watch how stunningly horrifying the truth is... the majority of the world is heading straight for hell and they dont know it..
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Paul David Washer is a false prophet, a member of the apostate Southern Baptist Convention (SBC), who teaches Lordship Salvation. Here's a one hour video sermon where Mr. Washer brainwashes a group of 5,000 youths to believe that they cannot be saved unless they stop living in sin. Like it or not, salvation is a free gift which does not require self-righteous works. Don't Mess with the Gospel.

[link to www.jesus-is-savior.com]





[link to www.jesus-is-savior.com]
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THIS
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I am still waiting for somebody to show me that what Paul Washer said is not Scriptural .
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If you are going to call him a false Prophet , at least have the nerve to back it up with Scripture .
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If you are going to call him a false Prophet , at least have the nerve to back it up with Scripture .
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ONCE AGAIN..... if you look at the website links provided, there are numerous scriptures and analysis that show he is false.

i have the nerve. i have provided the data.

now, the next step for you is to look at it.

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