This preacher shocked everyone with this message! its terrifying to think he is correct that the vast majority of us are heading for eternal hell

OP, I'm seriously not trying to be disrespectful, but this is the same kind of stuff *I* used to spray at everybody back when I was 20 and just freshly churched. Nothing against zeal, but without roots, there's no substance.

Did all those masses of people who crowded around Jesus not realize that they were supposed to be afraid of Him?

fear comes from the Latin word "phobos"

revere comes from the Latin word "reveri" which means to regard with awe, deference, and devotion

two completely different words meaning two different things.

if you are unsure about the words used in those scriptures, do a translation study and find the accuracy.

consider this teaching:
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Everyone will be salted with fire...Mk 49:9 You need to discover the true meaning of the lake of fire which is purificatory.

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The only thing worse than believing God would send the majority of his children, created in his image, to eternal, literal fire is worshiping such a god.......

There is a difference between fearing Man , things of this World and fearing God . We are told not to fear things of this World because God will provide for us and protect us . But we are Commanded to fear God . That is Biblical .

Yeshua is not the Father Yahweh . He is His Son .

Yes, people that believe that God is such a monster to burn people are not understanding that God is love, God is also a consuming fire.

The fire He uses is to burn the conscience not the flesh.

Hellfire preachers have done more to bring down the Kingdom of God than any pagan ever has.

I. Terms In The Old Testament

A. יָרֵא (yârê')

There are several different words used in regards to the fear of God in the original languages. The most common is the Hebrew word יָרֵא (yârê'). This verb is used over 330 times and it means actual "fear." Besides being used to be afraid of God (e.g. Genesis 20:8; Exodus 3:6; 2 Samuel 6:9; Psalm 33:8a; 76:7-8; Proverbs 13:13; Ecclesiastes 12:13; Malachi 3:16 [2x]; 4:2), it is also the fear Jacob had of his brother (Genesis 32:7), the fear Jacob's sons had of their brother Joseph (Genesis 43:18), the fear the Israelites had of the Egyptians (Exodus 14:10), the fear due parents (Leviticus 19:3, see below, point III), the fear of a soldier before a battle (Deuteronomy 20:8), the fear Saul and the Israelites had of Goliath (1 Samuel 17:11, 24), the fear David's men had of the Philistine armies (1 Samuel 23:3), the fear Saul had of the Philistine army (1 Samuel 28:5), the fear Saul's armorbearer had when Saul commanded him to take his sword and kill Saul (1 Samuel 31:4), the fear the rulers of Jezreel had of Jehu (2 Kings 10:4), the fear Jehoshaphat had of the massive army that came against him (2 Chronicles 20:3), the fear Nehemiah had of king Artaxerxes (Nehemiah 2:2), the fear David determined not to have (Psalm 27:1a, 3; see also 56:3-4, 11; 118:6), the fear the sons of Korah determined not to have even though world wide cataclysmic chaos broke out (Psalm 46:2), the fear Urijah had when King Jehoiakim sought to kill him (Jeremiah 26:21), the fear appropriately had at the roaring of a lion (Amos 3:8), the fear the mariners had in the midst of the storm (Jonah 1:5, 10), etc.. This word undeniably means "fear," i.e. to be afraid.

The noun form of yârê' is yir'âh and it is used far less, only about 44 times. It is mostly used for the fear of God (Genesis 20:11; Psalm 2:11; 90:11; Proverbs 9:10; Jonah 1:16), but it is also used for the fear of briers and thorns (Isaiah 7:23), the fear the mariners had (Jonah 1:10), fear of the Israelites (Deuteronomy 2:25), and fear in dangerous circumstances (Psalm 55:5).

These words (yârê' and yir'âh) are on some occasions translated "awe" or "awesome" (e.g. Exodus 15:11 [NAS "awesome in praises]; Nehemiah 1:5; 4:14; 9:32), but, as the above illustrates, this "awe" is not without fear; and even Webster's definition of "awe" is not without dread.

an emotion variously combining dread, veneration, and wonder that is inspired by authority or by the sacred or sublime (www.merriamwebster.com/cgi-bin/dictionary)

Genesis 28:17 illustrates how this "awe" is not without fear.

And he was afraid and said, "How awesome is this place!"

In this sentence "afraid" and "awesome" are from the same root word yârê'. Likewise, Deuteronomy 28:58 declares,

If you do not carefully observe all the words of this law that are written in this book, that you may fear this glorious and awesome name, the LORD your God . . .

In this verse the word for "fear" and the word for "awesome" are from the same root word yârê'. When dealing with God, be it His awesome works (Deuteronomy 10:21; Psalm 65:5; 66:3, 5; 106:22; 145:6; Isaiah 64:3), His awesome name (Psalm 99:3; 111:9), or the awesome majesty around Him (Job 37:22; Ezekiel 1:18, 22), it is fearfully awesome (e.g. Ezekiel 1:28).

Life-changing stuff :)

Yes, but we're told that in Him dwelt all the godhead bodily, and that He is the "express image" (Greek charakter) of God. "If you've seen me, you've seen the Father", etc.

What's the difference?

yes! and the followers of these are giving Christians a very tarnished reputation.

Well the people should have had a healthy fear for Yeshua too since he was God's only begotten Son . He had all the Authority of the Father too but most of the people were receptive to his message so there was no reason to fear him .

To fear God is to stand in awe or reverence. Frightened "fear" is a definition man created later. God is love. Satan is wrath/murder/destruction. Christ gave us the two most important commandments. Love God. Love others. Your mark is in your mind(thoughts), and in your labor(hands). By your fruits you are know. What is your mark? Man or God? Evil or Love?
God bless.

Well, that applies to this thread as well ;)

You forgot about His Father ;)

No wonder so many people are repulsed by this (false) view of God!

Last Edited by Life and Love on 11/21/2011 01:48 PM

Prove one thing that I said was false using scripture please !

It's good to take Christian teachings seriously, which is what this preacher is aiming at, but he comes across a little too gloom and doomy. Do not underestimate God's mercy. His mercy is great.

You don't get it, Ireland. Proof-texting isn't valid exegesis because it will always "prove" what the proof-texter wants.

Trust me on this: you are NOT drawing people to the Father!

Didn't think so . And your welcome to your opinion .

As are you.

I'm posting not so much for you but for everyone else to read. SOMEONE has to correct your false impression of God!

We will agree to disagree .

Exactly.

I'd love to see the argument taken past "what the Bible" says. The Bible was written by men. So to fanatically cling to that as your compass seems to be putting your faith in the hands of fallible and possibly corrupt humans.

God resides in our hearts. Look there for your answers. Please do not quote the Bible at me, for it is not my compass.

Look inside.

The Word is our foundation . If we don't use it as such , we will just be making things up .

i started to watch, but i got too scared to finish it

With much respect to your position, I believe that I'm not "making it up" but finding the truth that is the Truth based on my own relationship with my Divinity.

Anything less that this to me is making it up, whether it's made up by me now, or by someone 2,000 years ago writing it down.

Jesus is the Truth (as well as Way and Life)

Scripture is the truth about the Truth

What people write about Scripture is truth about the truth about the Truth.

time for you to wake up my friend, if this where the case we all be going down no man or women is without sin and all of us that ask to have our sins forgiven sin again and again. God loves all of us we are his children its whats in your heart that counts not what man has used to try to control the masses.

Fair enough :)