This preacher shocked everyone with this message! its terrifying to think he is correct that the vast majority of us are heading for eternal hell

Which version do you favor?

Ok, how do you know right from wrong?

There is what we call the conscience, it is the part of us that is God. It always tells us right from wrong, if we listen to it.

When you do wrong, your conscience keeps a record of it and until you admit you did wrong and change your ways the bad conscience will keep reminding you of it.

This is how God will judge us. What is still left in our consciences' record that has not been cleared out by our acknowleding it and feeling regret over it and not doing it again.

A clear conscience is something to be sought after, more valuable then all the world's riches.

Jesus spoke the Truth, I do believe that.

Scripture has some truth in it, yes. Much was left out. Gnostic gospels, for instance.

Ah, but many people write about Scripture, many of them from a place of hatred, fear, ignorance or creed. Look at all the false prophets in our day and age. Just because someone writes about the Scripture, I do not believe it is the truth about the truth about the Truth. And that's exactly why I said before I'd love to see the discussion move away from "what the Bible says" and come from a place of true internal, personal Knowing.

The King James probably .

And that my friend is FEAR

The King James probably .

a case in point - learning curve. as i grow older, i see areas of sin come to light, repent, and go in a new, better direction. this continues for the duration of our lives.

Actually, I do agree with the bolded part - I was only trying to show that the underlying source of it all is the Truth.

well said

I agree with close to everything you say...I know right from wrong by my conscience, which is my internal Knowing and relationship with my Divinity or God. The only place you and I differ seems to be on the judgment issue. I believe in a God who truly loves me, unconditionally,and therefore I a redeemed.

Well, King Jimmy's hired yes-men made it say that Jonah was in "hell", and that he was there "forever". That's a significant discrepancy. The myth of an inerrant scripture is a popular idol. Truth is a Person, not a book.

Point taken :-)

I would have to look into that further , sure there are some wrong translations but for the main part , the message is correct .

but for the main part , the message is correct .


Agreed, 100%

BTW, I see much respect for differing points of view in these last couple of pages. Love it! So refreshing!

If they "don't know it," then why are most people afraid of dying????????????????

Q: do you get just as good a response with placid decapitation chicks as you do with underage japs?

Yes, God loves you and that is why you have to have a good conscience before Him. You can not come near to God with a bad conscience. This is where the fire comes in. The fire that reveals and clears the bad conscience.

God does not just look away from our sin, it has to be recognize by each one, that is the judgment. No one will escape that.

For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

2 Timothy 1:7

With all due respect..I think this thread is an exampleof what has been happening in Christianity ..we have been busy talking about whois right andwhois wrong instead of livingHis Wordand changing this world making it a paradise and giving us finaljoy peace and happiness

Yes, the body of Christ has been dismembered by doctrines of men. The Holy Spirit is what should bind us and not doctrine to divide us.

With all due respect, by looking at your threads I see that you are doing the same thing you are saying about others though.

Really?inwhat way? Gosh I hopeImnot a cause of division..then again even Christ was so... :)

But as the speaker (Paul Washer) has stated: "the road to the gate is narrow" as well as the gate.

One can see this true by many of the responses to the original post. I would not want to wake up to God's truth after it's too late.

Matthew 10:32“Whoever acknowledges me before men, I will also acknowledge him before my Father in heaven. 33But whoever disowns me before men, I will disown him before my Father in heaven.

34“Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.

If the young minister were already Born-Again, as Paul cautions Timothy in 2nd Timothy 2:6, then he would have witness and Know that you cannot Come Unto The Father out of fear for your self; only out of Love and Complete Trust For HIM. But, the guy isn't Born-Again, and what he's preaching is false and anti-Christ....

2 Timothy 2
1. Thou therefore, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus.
2. And the things that thou hast heard of me among many witnesses, the same commit thou to faithful men, who shall be able to teach others also.
3. Thou therefore endure hardness, as a good soldier of Jesus Christ.
4. No man that warreth entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier.
5. And if a man also strive for masteries, yet is he not crowned, except he strive lawfully.

6. The husbandman that laboureth must be first partaker of the fruits.

7. Consider what I say; and the Lord give thee understanding in all things.





Yet, what matters in the scope of your life is Whether You Have Answered (or rejected) The Father's Call Upon your heart....

If you Know WHO Christ Jesus IS, Know in your heart; it's only because The Father Put that Knowledge there. Most don't Know.

If you Know WHO HE IS, then your heart was Called By The Father. Have you ever decided that you could Trust HIM Fully with your life; and then told HIM so?

That is what you must do, IF you would be HIS; make your Leap Of Faith. Surrender your life into HIS Care and Guidance.


I was Given To Know in 2004, while reading John ch 3, that anyone who has ever Loved Christ Jesus with a True heart, even as a child, will NOT be lost or condemned.


Yet, IF you Love God, can Trust HIM Fully with every aspect of your life; NOW is the time to Tell HIM So!
-Acknowledge Christ Jesus,
-Admit & repent of your sins,
-Claim your share of Father's Infinite Grace & Mercy,
-Give Father your life, all of it; good & bad, holding nothing back and seeking HIS Will only from then on,
-Ask Father to Send HIS Holy Spirit to Abide With you and guide you in thought, word, and deed.
HE Will, if you are honest and sincere...


Maranatha!!!

The young minister has no witness. He does not understand what witness is, because no one he has met or been instructed by is Born-Again (per Ezekiel 36) either.

Most Laodicean church-age Christians follow the Christianity they choose to accept and have not given their fealty Unto The Father.


What about you?
Would you Live In The Father's Accord? Like Ezekiel 36 Witnesses?....
26. A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.


Marvel not that I say unto you, ye must be Born-Again! John 3:7 Such is Jesus' 3rd Witness to Nicodemus, yet by verse 11 Jesus States that Nicodemus has rejected HIS Witness!!!

9. Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be?
10. Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?
11. Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.
12. If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?




Doesn't matter what others say or do, only that you find that moment IN YOUR LIFE TO DECIDE if you can Trust God Fully...



On April 10, 2004; I was Given To Know that the Straight Gate had been closed. In May/June 2005, Given To Know that the Time For Surrender had closed. In late Nov 2005, Given To Know that the Time for Prodigal Reunion had closed....

You can't find it in your heart to Trust God Fully and Tell HIM So? Once Christ Jesus Comes Again, there will be a New Way for you to Abide With The Father and Son.

Also Know that no one who ever Loved Christ Jesus with a True Heart, even if only as a child, will be lost or condemned. Only those who "heard The Gospel" and rejected HIM will be lost. Those are the prodigals who chose self over The Father...


Can't Trust God Fully with your life?
There ain't nobody else worthy; certainly, not you...


God's Will IS ALWAYS PERFECT!
The End Has Been Ordained From The Beginning.

Surrender is the pathway to HIS Victory.
The gate and times may be closed, but God's Grace & Mercy IS Infinite. Offer your life Unto HIM and surrender, accepting whatever terms HE Chooses To Impose. Just Know that whatever HIS Will For You, It Will Be PERFECT!


Maranatha!!!

if you have not a real relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ how can you claim you are a Christian, if you dont spend time before the Lord pray to Him honer Him love Him and obey his Lawes. Then again you are not a Christian.

How can you call Him Father if you dont know the Father how can you join the evil and proclaime you are a Christian.

To be a Christian means to be seperated from the world and been set a part for Jesus.

You can say you are a Christian but if you are not living it your not.

If you where cold or hot you could be saved but now your luke warm a cant stand in the presents of the Lord.

Please be serious with God