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Not a new idea but the correct one
Once we understand that time is not a vertical line running from one point (the beginning) to another point (the end) and that it is actually a vertical line and all things happened at the same time, we will be able to move on to the next level were we will be able to see all of the vertical lines and the different realities/possibilities.

The TV show Lost did a good job of demonstrating this fact.

This of course is a very simple explanation and I would be happy to elaborate.

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Not a new idea but the correct one
Once we understand that time is not a vertical line running from one point (the beginning) to another point (the end) and that it is actually a vertical line and all things happened at the same time, we will be able to move on to the next level were we will be able to see all of the vertical lines and the different realities/possibilities.

The TV show Lost did a good job of demonstrating this fact.

This of course is a very simple explanation and I would be happy to elaborate.

APPOLLO
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Time is not linear, whether vertical or horizontal. It is spherical, no beginning, no end.
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great stuff OP alien16
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If time travel is possible...
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Haha, I know their just your 'ramblings' BUT even YOU'RE NOT convinced of them - so why bother thinking about it!!??

Your first word of the 'essay' was 'If', which DENOTES that this is PURELY SPECULATIVE IMAGINATION.


First take a class or two in logic, then come back.

Second, stop watching sci-fi movies - they are JUST MOVIES!!!!!


Time travel... aren't you back-to-the-future geeks dead yet!?
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You should research more and stop saying ignorant things... I see you can't even imagine that what we see in movies are so close from the Truth."Hidden in plain sight" haven't you heard that expression? And why it is said? Blind sheeps don't see that.Yet.
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Not a new idea but the correct one
Once we understand that time is not a vertical line running from one point (the beginning) to another point (the end) and that it is actually a vertical line and all things happened at the same time, we will be able to move on to the next level were we will be able to see all of the vertical lines and the different realities/possibilities.

The TV show Lost did a good job of demonstrating this fact.

This of course is a very simple explanation and I would be happy to elaborate.

APPOLLO
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Not a new idea but the correct one
Once we understand that time is not a vertical line running from one point (the beginning) to another point (the end) and that it is actually a vertical line and all things happened at the same time, we will be able to move on to the next level were we will be able to see all of the vertical lines and the different realities/possibilities.

The TV show Lost did a good job of demonstrating this fact.

This of course is a very simple explanation and I would be happy to elaborate.

APPOLLO
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Time is not linear, whether vertical or horizontal. It is spherical, no beginning, no end.
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;-)
OP,you are on the right track! That is something I imagine myself. As another user mentioned,you just described how GOD,the ALL That Is,experience Him/Herself and how we integrate,interact with this Universe.
Instead of imagining a diamond, imagine a sphere,because since there are infinite possibilities,so has the sphere.Infinite lines,infinite intersections. Infinity inside the finite. I have a feeling you would love to see Nassim Haramein's work ;-)
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hf
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From our perspective its like being in a diamond. That is also why in meditation we will see the crystal cities, etc.

Not from theres.

Everything upgrades. All energies have a teleos purpose.

All intellects upgrade when they reach the possibilities of higher levels too.

From a higher up point of view, the void of space, filled within infinite energy waves is an ocean.

And its filled with critters including manta rays.

Stars are diamonds. Mirrors reflecting Light from Beyond.
The Devil tries to convince everyone he doesn't exist.
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Not a new idea but the correct one
Once we understand that time is not a vertical line running from one point (the beginning) to another point (the end) and that it is actually a vertical line and all things happened at the same time, we will be able to move on to the next level were we will be able to see all of the vertical lines and the different realities/possibilities.

The TV show Lost did a good job of demonstrating this fact.

This of course is a very simple explanation and I would be happy to elaborate.

APPOLLO
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Not a new idea but the correct one
Once we understand that time is not a vertical line running from one point (the beginning) to another point (the end) and that it is actually a vertical line and all things happened at the same time, we will be able to move on to the next level were we will be able to see all of the vertical lines and the different realities/possibilities.

The TV show Lost did a good job of demonstrating this fact.

This of course is a very simple explanation and I would be happy to elaborate.

APPOLLO
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Time is not linear, whether vertical or horizontal. It is spherical, no beginning, no end.
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;-)
OP,you are on the right track! That is something I imagine myself. As another user mentioned,you just described how GOD,the ALL That Is,experience Him/Herself and how we integrate,interact with this Universe.
Instead of imagining a diamond, imagine a sphere,because since there are infinite possibilities,so has the sphere.Infinite lines,infinite intersections. Infinity inside the finite. I have a feeling you would love to see Nassim Haramein's work ;-)
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hf
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An Onion would be a better point of reference then a diamond.
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An Onion would be a better point of reference then a diamond.
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LOL I can say...yes.
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On the physical level, there are two dimensions of time, not just the fourth dimension your physicists know of. The first dimension of time is what we perceive as the passage of time along a timeline. The second dimension of time is what we
call metatime, which contains all of the timelines. Basically you can picture time as being on a flat sheet. On the sheet are drawn all of the timelines with their many
branches.

As metatime "passes", the various timelines are stiched together into a single timeline according to the precursor events that point to the timeline offshoots. The more events relevant to my timeline whose occurrence we are able to achieve, the more dominant our outcome will be in the final timeline.

I don't know if any of that was understandable, but it's the only way I can think of to explain it.


Thread: A time traveler just visited us? This is the resume I made for you.
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background: I write all the time, just stuff in general and some of this 'stuff' happens to be what might be considered philosophy, but is more likely stoner armchair philosophy. but anyways, i've gotten used to writing what I consider to be personal philosophies and revelations. in the process, i've become more grounded and i know when an idea is far-fetched and when an idea is worth sharing. i post most of my 'worth sharing' ideas on my blog (houseofxen.wordpress.com) but this is something i wrote a month ago. it's not that it's far-fetched once you get where I'm going, but to really understand it, you HAVE to think in metaphor. for the record: what you see here is after i deleted four paragraphs

If time travel is possible, and a fifth dimension exists, then this means that life is, as described in watchmen, like a diamond. The whole is unable to be seen by those within it, but it is possible to see the whole all at once, when viewed from an objective third viewpoint. In other words, if time travel is possible, then we are on a timeline. A literal line of events, an order in which the universe occured in. In the fifth dimension, somehow it is possible to step outside of that line of events, that order of existence. The universe has multitudes of perspectives, but when observed on the whole, from an external viewpoint, it is one entity. All moments are represented, all perspectives represented, as they happened and interacted with one another and all events as they WOULD have happened and interacted with on another.


Observer - look in the mirror. Who's looking?
The Observer.

In this light, time is not real. Our perspectives are not real. We are moreor less the subconscious dreamworld that is generated when trying to manifest what existence is in a four dimensional state -- i.e., including "time". Imagine how absurd it is to think of an endless timeline of a single perspective and then imagine every perspective in the universe. Then, imagine trying to map all of these perspectives horizontally upon a single line. It is absurd to suggest this is how our dimension is perceived from an objective fifth-dimensional viewpoint.

Instead, imagine a diamond. Imagine one entity (the diamond). One, three-dimensional container consisting of the result of trillions and trillions of four-dimensional perspectives. A transparent diamond -- inside of this diamond, all perspectives of the universe are NOT outlined in massive amounts of horizontal time-lines. In it, in these time lines, the general mindset/pattern/feeling of each would-be-horizontal time-line is manifested in a floating, slightly changing, image. Imagine an image for every perspective imaginable, and you could imagine a universe of floating bright stars.

What would it be like inside that diamond? Perhaps space IS the interior of that diamond. Everything in this universe, represented in an abstract, yet accurate, image -- the image itself a summary of every timeline of every perspective.

Ultimately, changing the behavior of any entity in the universe, would seemingly "destroy" future timelines, so to say. Instead, imagine the universe as a diamond entity enclosing an interactive symbolic world. Each "symbol", so to say, when affected or changed in behavior, in real-time, alters the entire symbolic system (as every symbol is linked, ultimately). Timelines wouldn't get destroyed, the behavior itself would change, said change taking with it the symbol itself -- not "killing it". It wouldn't exist in that form, because that form resulted from a separate behavior.

Assuming you somehow could travel back in time, you would still be witnessing this change in time from your singular perspective. Altering time is still going to occur during the present moment from the current perspective -- even if it is an objective one. It would still be considered "now", "present", "happening". In this perspective (this perspective being one who is going back in time), in this moment, you relived an event that already happened in an effort to alter the flow of time. In the metaphor of a timeline for every entity, it would show up on said timeline, as it focuses on perspective -- not "measured passed time". The previous timeline has already occurred and still exists on this metaphorical horizontal timeline. From the perspective of a metaphorical diamond where every angle is one summary of one moment (several years, days, dependent but etc), one could jump from one side to the other, without altering, leaving out or missing out on previous timelines. One would just go around "the circle", again, so to say, living out their life in present overall behavior, one's perspective dependent on the circumstance.

The point being, is that changing the circumstance doesn't change the observer having the perspective.
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Positing an "observer" and a "perspective" in any way whatsoever is to base your perspective on an illusion, upon a logically indefensible delusion of a "self" that is doing the observing. I'm not sure if that's what your doing, because your style of writing is beyond my comprehension, but your summation at the end seems to claim some sort of self-existing observer. If this is the case, I challenge you to show me this observer. Simply claiming he (or she) exists doesn't cut it, any more than me saying "God exists" because I believe He does would cut it.
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I understand what you are saying OP, but are you sure that the 5th dimension is the outer limit? what about the 6th dimension? how does the 5th look to the 6th? or the 6th to the 7th? This continues to the 10th dimension (look up on youtube if you wish) which is the final dimension
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wow, thanks guys! wasn't sure how this was going to be received.
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With your level of writing accomplishment and thought process, you could write about sand flees as 5D sentient beings from Alpha Centauri and we'd be left scrathing our noggins as if G_d smacked.

Good Job Sifu.
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You're what's shining.

The imagery/theoretical model you presented represents what I have learned about time and the individual and quantum physics beautifully and eloquently. Your model will give me a wonderful way to understand all the questions I ponder for many years to come.

Needing the approval of others to feel validated is the reason all of us are here on this planet, in this timeline. It is the limitation we all share and are here to own. But you will be owning it soon, and so will I. A brand new world is just around the corner.
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Hi,
Can you talk more about the brand new world which is just around the corner?


Thanks
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Yes. The world and it's people are going through huge change. Those who have an enlightened consciousness/frequency will survive these changes. The sun will make the world brand new and many galactic friends will enlighten us and work with us into a utopian new age.
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The sun, moon, stars are human's time, as is getting old, but, of course GOD can do anything
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Many years ago (40 +) I endeavored to ascertain from the Scriptures alone as to how the universe was made up and how it is maintained. I took a very simple step: I considered NOTHING as far a spiritual was concerned and only considered the physical aspects of what was written in scripture. What I found has been posted by me for years (on Timetravel Institute and also here on Godlike.

The conclusion that I came up with several years ago shows that the Scriptures, themselves, prove that there are at least 10 dimensions and quite possibly eleven. The recent expressions of the Calibi-Yau theory (presently being experimented on at the LHC) came up with the exact conclusions as I had and even used the exact same words that I had in stating how difficult it was to PERCEIVE them with our limited senses.

I have been saying for years (from the Scriptures) that that the Standard Model is flawed on a very basic level. The entire theory depends on the speed limit of light at 186,282 mps. Since every single point in time/space is a roiling/broiling 11 dimensional unity, the measurements we use for light travel simply do not apply anymore. The recent discovery of a faster-than-light nutrino has set the entire Standard Model on its head. The very age of the universe is now at issue. If you can picture (again a perceptive problem) a photon traveling through this incredibly energetic space/time/matter matrix, it would be tossed to and fro and would be nearly impossible to travel in a straight line (in a supposed "vacuum"). Vacuum is nearly universally accepted as a "static", in-place system. In fact, it is created by the actions of all the elements in Calabi Yau spaces.

With this understanding (if we can ever truly "understand" this stuff), distances in space and the mass of objects as well as the time involved can very well PROVE that the universe is no more than several thousands of years old (considering that quantum entanglement is valid--and science says it is). Furthermore, it is possible (and I believe probable), that the objects in space are far closer than we have come to believe--or even further than we can imagine. In space, a straight line simple does not exist--not even at quantum levels. ALL of our measurements fail at the level of Calabai Yau spaces. Wouldn't it be the most ironic of things if it was actually FAITH that eventually allows us to navigate Calabi Yau Spaces. I know the new-age garbage tries to convince us that we can actually mold our world. I believe that the Scriptures give us EVERYTHING we need to not only travel in space (and time), but shows us the PHYSICAL systems; and FAITH (which is swallowed up in victory) is the MEANS by which we can traverse space/time without ever having to cross the gulf. The entire UFO phenomenon has this at its very basic understanding: that aliens somehow "manipulate" their craft by mind control. The Scriptures have a craft also. I've studied it for many years. Don't believe it? It is outlined cubit by cubit in the book of Ezekiel and throughout the rest of the Scriptures.

The truth of the matter is far stranger than any fiction. Even the innocuous little statement "Go ye out to meet Him", when taken in context, can only mean to me that we are to go out into SPACE to meet Him who is "TAMID". This is a Jewish word which means "perpetual" and involves the spiritualized concept of Jesus's perpetual presentation of His Blood to the Father (in the "Sanctuary" in heaven).

Everything is now on the table. The Standard Model is dead. We need to rethink EVERYTHING. There is no "HALL OF RECORDS" with the history of the world and all of its technology. It is hiding in plain sight. It's called The Holy Bible. All the technology is in there. The faith system needed to manipulate it is in there. The maps of the coordinate systems of space/time are in there. The FACTS of toroid shapes in energy systems is in there. The vortexes of zero-point energies is in there. It is the greatest science book I have ever read. Try doing as I have done. Leave out everything spiritual and only seek the physical. It's all there. I am STILL learning good science in there. The scriptures tell us to "do not despise the day of small things". The study of subatomic structures takes us into the realm of Biblical understanding. Perhaps this is the way it was intended for us all along. "When I was a child, I spake as a child". This is definitely the "growing pains" that the Scriptures speak of. We need to experience "woes". In the end, we "overcome" our shortcomings.
The TRUTH is stranger than FICTION.
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background: I write all the time, just stuff in general and some of this 'stuff' happens to be what might be considered philosophy, but is more likely stoner armchair philosophy. but anyways, i've gotten used to writing what I consider to be personal philosophies and revelations. in the process, i've become more grounded and i know when an idea is far-fetched and when an idea is worth sharing. i post most of my 'worth sharing' ideas on my blog (houseofxen.wordpress.com) but this is something i wrote a month ago. it's not that it's far-fetched once you get where I'm going, but to really understand it, you HAVE to think in metaphor. for the record: what you see here is after i deleted four paragraphs

If time travel is possible, and a fifth dimension exists, then this means that life is, as described in watchmen, like a diamond. The whole is unable to be seen by those within it, but it is possible to see the whole all at once, when viewed from an objective third viewpoint. In other words, if time travel is possible, then we are on a timeline. A literal line of events, an order in which the universe occured in. In the fifth dimension, somehow it is possible to step outside of that line of events, that order of existence. The universe has multitudes of perspectives, but when observed on the whole, from an external viewpoint, it is one entity. All moments are represented, all perspectives represented, as they happened and interacted with one another and all events as they WOULD have happened and interacted with on another.

Observer - look in the mirror. Who's looking?
Observer.

In this light, time is not real. Our perspectives are not real. We are moreor less the subconscious dreamworld that is generated when trying to manifest what existence is in a four dimensional state -- i.e., including "time". Imagine how absurd it is to think of an endless timeline of a single perspective and then imagine every perspective in the universe. Then, imagine trying to map all of these perspectives horizontally upon a single line. It is absurd to suggest this is how our dimension is perceived from an objective fifth-dimensional viewpoint.

Instead, imagine a diamond. Imagine one entity (the diamond). One, three-dimensional container consisting of the result of trillions and trillions of four-dimensional perspectives. A transparent diamond -- inside of this diamond, all perspectives of the universe are NOT outlined in massive amounts of horizontal time-lines. In it, in these time lines, the general mindset/pattern/feeling of each would-be-horizontal time-line is manifested in a floating, slightly changing, image. Imagine an image for every perspective imaginable, and you could imagine a universe of floating bright stars.

What would it be like inside that diamond? Perhaps space IS the interior of that diamond. Everything in this universe, represented in an abstract, yet accurate, image -- the image itself a summary of every timeline of every perspective.

Ultimately, changing the behavior of any entity in the universe, would seemingly "destroy" future timelines, so to say. Instead, imagine the universe as a diamond entity enclosing an interactive symbolic world. Each "symbol", so to say, when affected or changed in behavior, in real-time, alters the entire symbolic system (as every symbol is linked, ultimately). Timelines wouldn't get destroyed, the behavior itself would change, said change taking with it the symbol itself -- not "killing it". It wouldn't exist in that form, because that form resulted from a separate behavior.

Assuming you somehow could travel back in time, you would still be witnessing this change in time from your singular perspective. Altering time is still going to occur during the present moment from the current perspective -- even if it is an objective one. It would still be considered "now", "present", "happening". In this perspective (this perspective being one who is going back in time), in this moment, you relived an event that already happened in an effort to alter the flow of time. In the metaphor of a timeline for every entity, it would show up on said timeline, as it focuses on perspective -- not "measured passed time". The previous timeline has already occurred and still exists on this metaphorical horizontal timeline. From the perspective of a metaphorical diamond where every angle is one summary of one moment (several years, days, dependent but etc), one could jump from one side to the other, without altering, leaving out or missing out on previous timelines. One would just go around "the circle", again, so to say, living out their life in present overall behavior, one's perspective dependent on the circumstance.

The point being, is that changing the circumstance doesn't change the observer having the perspective.
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Positing an "observer" and a "perspective" in any way whatsoever is to base your perspective on an illusion, upon a logically indefensible delusion of a "self" that is doing the observing. I'm not sure if that's what your doing, because your style of writing is beyond my comprehension, but your summation at the end seems to claim some sort of self-existing observer. If this is the case, I challenge you to show me this observer. Simply claiming he (or she) exists doesn't cut it, any more than me saying "God exists" because I believe He does would cut it.
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The Observer - look in the mirror.
Who's looking?
The Observer


If you had even a basic knowledge of quantum physics, you would understand the observer - it is a basic tenet. Quantum physics is proving the existence of God as the Observer.

If you truly want to understand your question, you have to start educating yourself in quantum physics.
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The Observer - look in the mirror.
Who's looking?
The Observer

If you had even a basic knowledge of quantum physics, you would understand the observer - it is a basic tenet. Quantum physics is proving the existence of God as the Observer.

If you truly want to understand your question, you have to start educating yourself in quantum physics.
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SO: WE ARE GOD experiencing Him/Herself. WE ARE a reflexion of GOD. We are GOD.WE ARE ONE.
Long before quantum physics, I reached to that conclusion myself.But I'm glad quantum physics is the "proof" scientific atheists are looking for,if we can put it that way ;-) Nothing exists by chance.
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I understand what you are saying OP, but are you sure that the 5th dimension is the outer limit? what about the 6th dimension? how does the 5th look to the 6th? or the 6th to the 7th? This continues to the 10th dimension (look up on youtube if you wish) which is the final dimension
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[link to imaginingthetenthdimension.blogspot.com]
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The Observer - look in the mirror.
Who's looking?
The Observer

If you had even a basic knowledge of quantum physics, you would understand the observer - it is a basic tenet. Quantum physics is proving the existence of God as the Observer.

If you truly want to understand your question, you have to start educating yourself in quantum physics.
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SO: WE ARE GOD experiencing Him/Herself. WE ARE a reflexion of GOD. We are GOD.WE ARE ONE.
Long before quantum physics, I reached to that conclusion myself.But I'm glad quantum physics is the "proof" scientific atheists are looking for,if we can put it that way ;-) Nothing exists by chance.
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Great observation. :)
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The Observer - look in the mirror.
Who's looking?
The Observer

If you had even a basic knowledge of quantum physics, you would understand the observer - it is a basic tenet. Quantum physics is proving the existence of God as the Observer.

If you truly want to understand your question, you have to start educating yourself in quantum physics.
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SO: WE ARE GOD experiencing Him/Herself. WE ARE a reflexion of GOD. We are GOD.WE ARE ONE.
Long before quantum physics, I reached to that conclusion myself.But I'm glad quantum physics is the "proof" scientific atheists are looking for,if we can put it that way ;-) Nothing exists by chance.
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Great observation. :)
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Thank You! hf
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I'm glad this got so much conversation going. If there was any goal here, it was to start a conversation.
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I really enjoyed reading your thoughts.
Here is a video I made last year, if you're interested.
You have a very good grasp on things, nice thread.



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thanks man
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good look on that video too
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"Heya Ren1999!

You are John Titor, aren't you? Or did you just pretend that you were John?"

Truth is subjective. I am. To others I am not.
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There is no "HALL OF RECORDS" with the history of the world and all of its technology. It is hiding in plain sight. It's called The Holy Bible. All the technology is in there. The faith system needed to manipulate it is in there. The maps of the coordinate systems of space/time are in there. The FACTS of toroid shapes in energy systems is in there. The vortexes of zero-point energies is in there. It is the greatest science book I have ever read. Try doing as I have done. Leave out everything spiritual and only seek the physical. It's all there. I am STILL learning good science in there. The scriptures tell us to "do not despise the day of small things". The study of subatomic structures takes us into the realm of Biblical understanding. Perhaps this is the way it was intended for us all along. "When I was a child, I spake as a child". This is definitely the "growing pains" that the Scriptures speak of. We need to experience "woes". In the end, we "overcome" our shortcomings.
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LOL what a loon!
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Going to attempt to respond to criticism:

Ooooh, the intensity! Just too much to bare. lol

OP, you are one goofy bastard. Put down the crack pipe OK. Time doesnt exist, most of us realize that. Now shut the fuck up, the only person that understands what the hell you're talking about is you, and I aint so sure about that dickwad.
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Time wasn't the sole focus of this write-up, but it certainly was discussed.

let me be the first:

bsflag
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No u!

my post
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Positing an "observer" and a "perspective" in any way whatsoever is to base your perspective on an illusion, upon a logically indefensible delusion of a "self" that is doing the observing. I'm not sure if that's what your doing, because your style of writing is beyond my comprehension, but your summation at the end seems to claim some sort of self-existing observer. If this is the case, I challenge you to show me this observer. Simply claiming he (or she) exists doesn't cut it, any more than me saying "God exists" because I believe He does would cut it.
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The observer which I describe is both theoretical and, in the image I put forward, real. If something exists, it is possible to be observed, perhaps not in the traditional sense, but if it's there, it can be perceived (just maybe not by us due to sensory limitations). The observer is simply the idea of looking at existence as a whole. If you could somehow have the power to see everything in existence, including every timeline, you'd likely not see it in the form of a million individual timelines, it would be zoomed out -- you'd see it as one whole object, one object that also doubles as something which symbolically represents all contained within.

When you look at someone, you aren't seeing cells. You aren't seeing atoms or neutrinos, or an arm bone -- you are seeing a person. All these things exist, but from your objective (whole) perspective, you see one person, one body, representing the overall state of everything contained within. In terms of scale, we're all universes of "stuff" walking around, yet somehow we manage to perceive the entire picture without anyone resorting to be claimed "godlike". Why is it so ridiculous that this scale would not continue into grander and grander levels?

let me be the first op, u just ruined ur post when u talk about god, ffs ur theory i can understand, but in perspective god has no influence on the universe because hes not real, until proven he/she exists the theory of ur universal plain cannot include a identity of such power, ie 100 trillion star systems = 1 super human, imposible, regards
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In my original unedited post I explained how I used God as an allegory for the imagery I was trying to get across and I explained why as well. I thought it might be a bit much, but maybe I should've left it in : P

Anyways. The point is I wasn't taking a stance on God one way or the other. God was just used as an idea. To us, someone who could perceive the entire universe with ease would be considered Godlike. That doesn't make that being God, but for us, yes. It's all not literal, it's more just in terms of what the term "God" would mean in terms of perspective.

Reminds me of the Platohedron.

~like a geometric 3d diamond shaped parallelogram.
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OP needs to read "Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance" by Robert Pirsig.
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I'll check it out!

The perspective you give may hold some truth, from a certain limited perspective, but there is a bigger truth:

There is no time or space. There is only consciousness, and patterns of consciousness. But these patterns are not "natural laws", because consciousness is a law unto itself; it has no limitations.

The crystalline nature of things which may be observed, categorized, and reflected upon, is truly subject to the whims of consciousness. It exists only as long as consciousness makes it so.

Don't ensnare yourself in limiting mental constructs, you are far far greater than that.
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Thanks. It's good to have a reminder like this. I don't place THAT much weight in any of this (this=opinions on existence)....it's all theory/debate/discussion. Beyond that, I try not to dwell on it. But in it's own place, it's the highest importance.

OP,you are on the right track! That is something I imagine myself. As another user mentioned,you just described how GOD,the ALL That Is,experience Him/Herself and how we integrate,interact with this Universe.
Instead of imagining a diamond, imagine a sphere,because since there are infinite possibilities,so has the sphere.Infinite lines,infinite intersections. Infinity inside the finite.
I have a feeling you would love to see Nassim Haramein's work ;-)
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I'll take a look.


...
If time travel is possible...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5651730




Haha, I know their just your 'ramblings' BUT even YOU'RE NOT convinced of them - so why bother thinking about it!!??

Your first word of the 'essay' was 'If', which DENOTES that this is PURELY SPECULATIVE IMAGINATION.


First take a class or two in logic, then come back.

Second, stop watching sci-fi movies - they are JUST MOVIES!!!!!


Time travel... aren't you back-to-the-future geeks dead yet!?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 953333


The if was just because I was trying to apply my logic and mindset to the notion of time travel. I'm using time travel as a platform to get me thinking, not in a manner of uncertainty.

Yes, this is "purely speculative imagination", as is EVERYTHING THAT ANYONE ANYWHERE EVER says, thinks, does...some of this speculation just agrees with the populous more than the rest of the speculation. I'm not really a sci-fi geek. I'm more of a culture geek in general.

stoner Sounds like you've got some good stuff there.
 Quoting: Judethz


Actually I need to do that first, then go back and re-read LOL
banana2

Great post OP! 5*
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LOL good plan!
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The Observer - look in the mirror.
Who's looking?
The Observer


If you had even a basic knowledge of quantum physics, you would understand the observer - it is a basic tenet. Quantum physics is proving the existence of God as the Observer.

If you truly want to understand your question, you have to start educating yourself in quantum physics.
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On my response I was referring to the observer in my example. Refer to this answer for a much better more general definition. Thank you
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wow, thanks guys! wasn't sure how this was going to be received.
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where are the other FOUR paragraphs??

you big tease, I know many things about diamonds, and XL structure is pure in diamond because it's ONE thing, carbon, and a cubic structure of 13 planes, of 'existence, ' if you will. Isomorphic. Diamond and Graphite are exact in composition, but not in structure.

They used to test diamond WAY back in the day by smacking them with a hammer, and the ones that didn't break were thought to be real, diamond is hard, but NOT tough, Jade is the toughest mineral on earth. We would not be here if not for Jade, and the tools it allowed. Not many people know that. Jade is made in the same manner felt is, so there you go. Know you know the rest of the story.

Four paragraphs please, why tease us with the lack of the story? sheesh.

actually write six, and then you'll be sure not to leave anything out. I can't wait.
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Re: Time travel, space and diamonds. Warning: This is INTENSE.
LOL that was super randomly informative. Thanks for that. In terms of the 'other writings', it was more of a tangent, off-topic, into another topic entirely in addition to just not being necessary.





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