HOLY SHIT - TEPCO Bailing out of Fukushima

Oh my, this is not good. Why for the love of Pete don't they put a sarcophagus over them? They seem to be just fumbling about waiting for the melt-through and hit the water table. I was following this for quite a while, Arnie Gunderson has been a good source.

OP,

:5-star-for-u:

If fuku blows bigtime it actually could be a good thing. Blow the whole mess into the ocean and air all at once, instead of spewing rads for decades/centuries. We shelter indoors for 14-30 days, come out and the process of decontamination can begin. Right now you can't decontaminate anything except yourself and your house, because the shit keeps on coming. The stuff blown into the ocean would be somewhat protected under water. The ocean would be toast, but I think it probably already is.

The EQ there today is concerning tho, if sfp #4 falls over, Tokyo will have to be evacuated immediately. Someone (Tacomagroove?) did an extensive math problem on here once showing how many weks/months/years it would take to fly everyone out.

Here's a vid about sfp #4 tipping over, and what we would need to do in the US:

[link to www.youtube.com]

An explosion or hydrovolcanic type deal would mean the same, just worse.

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not quite the explosion would be

1/ phreatic (i.e. volcanic explosion in nature)
2/ likely to generate hydrogen from the water due to the heat of the corium resulting in a hydrogen/oxygen explosion
3/ hugely radioactive

You must 100% bat shit crazy to still eat asian seafood.

Been that way for a long time, probably within a few hours after that one reactor blew it's top, after that it was a daisy chain.

What kills me, is it takes THIS long to get it out, basically they are "letting" this out, as a way to ask for solutions.

I wonder if it would be feasible to use one of those giant boring machines to dig a chamber underneath the meltdown to capture and contain it somehow? Or is this stuff just too hot to handle?

Phoenix is 150 miles from us and while reading the link below seen it hit 61 cpm. [link to radiationnetwork.com]

The US is in a killing field, but industrialize cities have higher levels of radiation. They're in an electromagnetic death house, carbon rich, heavy emissions fuel for reactive particles.

These are the videos from TEPCO’s recent video dump. Some were previously released and others were not. TEPCO states these videos will only be up until December so they will go away on their website in a few days

[link to www.simplyinfo.org]

Last Edited by Southern OR on 11/23/2011 08:11 PM

6.1 eq there today

MAP

6.1

2011/11/23 19:24:32

37.373

141.387

33.3

NEAR THE EAST COAST OF HONSHU, JAPAN

more earthquakes. That can't be good and I see no reason that it is not causing even more damage to a already messed up nuclear plant. Now all we need is another 9.0 and a tsunumi to finish the deal.

I asked about China Syndrome situation and possible outcomes on GLP shortly after the incident occured. I remember one of the reponses i got was from a proclaimed Nuclear industry scientist, who told me that there was not enough radioactive mass to burn a whole through the earth, rather that it would continue to burn at criticality until it looses enough mass.

Now i don't necessarily believe that this was a nuclear scientist or that how theroy was correct, but thought i would share for others to investigate.

Someone sent me a PM saying we need an SHR makes this easy to understand and where we stand thread about this whole fukushima mess...

I dunno...takes me some time to research and write those for real...we'll see...

Yep, They announce we are all Walking Dead and not a word about it in the news. The stuxnet virus caused those Nuke plants to go out of control and now it will just nuke the whole northern hemisphere. I guess they can nuke Iran now and we'd never be able to tell it because they now have the perfect cover...just blame the radiation on Japan.

Lets be honest here.....this is going to make the Holocaust look like a picnic. Over 5 million dead since the Bosnia war and now the whole northern Hemisphere is doomed. I don't have to tell you who is to blame for this, whats the point? We are all toast and there is nothing anyone can do about it. The "master race" will finally get its population reduction....just a matter of time now but even that is not fast enough for them...nope, even now those insane clowns still want to invade Syria and Iran. They won't be happy until we are all dead. Its in God's hands now.


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There's a hole in the earth that goes all the way to China

da da dahh da da dahhhhh.

The shameful shame...Of course it did have an huge impact, but they could have done more in the beginning to avoid this.
Or they could have put up cover panels for all the reactors (not just only Reactor 1) at almost the same time. Well, I hope for the best and that the earthquakes can make those corium blobs underground lose their mass.

Hello!
I did not live in Chernobyl, but I have thyroid problems, too.
When there will not be these hormons, because too much people get the same problems, I will surely die quickly. Only three months without pills, and I jump into the grave. So, sad.
How are you now? Can you buy hormons in drugstore or must you get a recept from the doc?

The big thing that had them worried at chernobyl was the big explosion, that they could foresee.

So they dumped lead and boron bricks in, and managed to "disperse" the corium. Basicly they diluted the neutron activity, which helps to "cool" the corium.

The "big explosion" that they could foresee, was a steam explosion, INITIALY, but just as reactor 3, where a hydrogen explosion also caused a prompt criticality detonation.

So what they were worried about was the initial steam explosion compressing all the nuclear melted fuel, causing a prompt criticality, which then starts a chain reaction.

They were concerned that the chain reaction would also engulf all nuclear fuel at the site. This is where they get the "europe uninhabitable" from.

This was science telling them what would happen.

Which is why they "threw" 500,000 people at it.

The amount of fuel, both spent, fresh, as yet unused etc just in the spent fuel pools alone is enough to kill the entire world.

If the reactor 4 spent fuel pool collapses, there would almost certainly be an enormous prompt criticalty that could easily initiate a chain reaction whereby all the fuel on site "goes off" in one earth shattering explosion.

This is real science. There are many many variables now at fukushima, which could start this process.

People are saying things like "there isnt enough enriched fuel to cause this etc"

Sorry, wrong. Spent fuel rods sitting in clusters in spent fuel pools for years, produce curium. You cant get much more "enriched" then "curium"

Chernobyl exploded wide open, also allowing access via helicopter drop. They were extremely lucky.

The relativly "small" amount of uranium that had melted down, was cause enough to panic.

The prompt criticality/nuclear chain reaction/detonation scenario was there all the same.

I also am actually in favour of blowing the place apart (fukushima) once we somehow remove the spent fuel.

A lot of the "spent" fuel is actually fresh. The spent fuel pools have somehow "lost" a word! and that word is........................"TEMPORARY"

The "temporary spent fuel pools" were NEVER designed to "store" 40 years worth of nuclear rods.

They are all full at this time. Albiet melted down etc.

Even without all this "fuel" in "storage", so lets pretend for a minute that all the spent fuel pools are empty, there is still enough fuel amongst the melted cores to initiate a horribly big explosion. But because all the pools ARE full, that fuel could easily really become "fuel" in the chain reaction.

Im trying to biuld a picture here, im not sure if im succeeding,lol, the bullet point here i suppose, is that there is easily enough variables at fukushima, for the whole situation to suddenly, horribly, become, oh, about a million times worse, if you can even imagine that!.

I said it yonks ago, that the micro readings they are currently getting, are going to keep increasing. They will eventually start getting into the mille range.

It is simple, vast and uncountable amounts of extremely deadly micoscopic particles are being "generated" every second, of every hour,day,month, etc.

There is no way to stop it.

Either it all blows up, killing the entire world, or it "blows up" slowly, pouring out trillions and trillions of deadly particles every day.

Either way makes no difference to the science. No difference to what we can foresee, what we know will happen.

What is inevitable.

What the Russians envisaged in chernobyl, the Japanese are certain of.

There really is nothing they can do. When they said "uncharted waters" they meant it. We dont actually know what happens when 3/4/5/6 reactors in a row, completely melt through/down etc.

What we do know is what science tells us SHOULD happen.

And thats the scary part that no one wants to discuss.

It is way to late in the day to apply boron/lead bricks, we cant access the corium to do it.

The reactors themselves didnt explode wide open such as chernobyl did, so the melted corium is the whole amount.
And with there being the "whole" amount in one blob, there is a terrificly more amount of "heat", especially with the "mox"

A nuclear bomb doesnt actually need a lot of uranium to explode/reach chain reaction etc What it does need are the exact correct variables.

Fukushima meets all the requirements.

There I think I said that right!, im confusing myself now!

DUDE! THAT IS DOOOOOOOOOOM!

SOOOOO...no obama care..no free medical ins..ron paul closes the goverment down..agency's close!!


then what?

uuuhh..cooked like a dry rub slow roasted piglet...

WHILE THE ELITE HIDE IN MX BUNKERS WE PAID FOR?

Just wanted to point out this wrong because the heat will not turn the water into oxygen and hydrogen. It will remains as water in the form of superheated steam.

In a nutshell, this is some crazy serious shit. There is no historical data to go on. It will only go from bad to worse in my opinion.

Amazing. THANKS General Electric!

How many of you twerps are still buying their products??


Do NOT support assholes.

No elite asshole is exempt from this doom. You could burrow thousands of feet underground with a lifetime of food and it'll still get 'em. There's no conspiracy in this.

Everyone WILL die from FUKUSHIMA

Nothing to do with karma, fate or destiny.

Human ignorance and greed will cancel this epoch.

Time for the reset button.

there's a NOAA map of the estimated path of the plume following the initial Hydrogen explosion at the following link

[link to www.earthweek.com]

I had no idea that NOAA even had maps like this

does anyone know where to find the archive of these types of maps on the NOAA site?

edit to add: I saw some HYSPLIT projections that stopped short of the US mainland shortly after the explosion but I've never seen one that showed the actual path of the plume like at the link above

I think it comes from somewhere on the following page but may require a NOAA password to access

[link to ready.arl.noaa.gov]

Last Edited by RTS REDUX on 11/27/2011 04:41 AM