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Remember that debate between Ron Paul and Newt Gingrich, where Mr. Gingrich suggested we should expand and strengthen the Patriot Act in the name of protecting US citizens from terrorists? Mr. Gingrich indicated that there exists a line between criminal law and the war on terror, and that we need not worry the government will overstep its bounds.

While Americans enjoy the Thanksgiving weekend and join the annual running of the bulls celebration at malls and retail outlets, something sinister is taking place in Congress – and it should scare the hell out of you. If the President and Senate have their way, your front lawn will soon become a battlefield, and you’ll be subjected to military, not criminal, law.

From the ACLU Via The Daily Sheeple:

The Senate is gearing up for a vote on Monday or Tuesday that goes to the very heart of who we are as Americans. The Senate will be voting on a bill that will direct American military resources not at an enemy shooting at our military in a war zone, but at American citizens and other civilians far from any battlefield — even people in the United States itself.



The Senate is going to vote on whether Congress will give this president—and every future president — the power to order the military to pick up and imprison without charge or trial civilians anywhere in the world. Even Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) raised his concerns about the NDAA detention provisions during last night’s Republican debate. The power is so broad that even U.S. citizens could be swept up by the military and the military could be used far from any battlefield, even within the United States itself.

The worldwide indefinite detention without charge or trial provision is in S. 1867, the National Defense Authorization Act bill, which will be on the Senate floor on Monday. The bill was drafted in secret by Sens. Carl Levin (D-Mich.) and John McCain (R-Ariz.) and passed in a closed-door committee meeting, without even a single hearing.

I know it sounds incredible. New powers to use the military worldwide, even within the United States? Hasn’t anyone told the Senate that Osama bin Laden is dead, that the president is pulling all of the combat troops out of Iraq and trying to figure out how to get combat troops out of Afghanistan too? And American citizens and people picked up on American or Canadian or British streets being sent to military prisons indefinitely without even being charged with a crime. Really? Does anyone think this is a good idea? And why now?

This is happening right now – IN AMERICA! A law that is designed to specifically bypass Constitutional protections and one that will undoubtedly be used against the American people to further advance and expand the national police state.

Once signed into law the President (or anyone of his minions within the Justice Department or Homeland Security acting on his behalf) can issue orders to arrest, detain and imprison an American citizen in the United States without due process. Since most terror arrests fall into the realm of national security, and therefore are secret, no evidence would ever need to be presented for the permanent detainment (and who knows what else) of an American imprisoned under this law.

Author: Mac Slavo
Date: November 25th, 2011
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From what I understand this bill will be voted on Monday or Tuesday behind closed doors.

Here is the bill

[link to www.ng.mil]
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No one seems to be interested that this will take the Patriot Act to a whole new level?
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WE ARE ALL SCARED TO COMMENT FOR THE REASONS ABOVE!damned
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The bill was drafted in secret by Sens. Carl Levin (D-Mich.) and John McCain (R-Ariz.) and passed in a closed-door committee meeting, without even a single hearing.
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The bill was drafted in secret by Sens. Carl Levin (D-Mich.) and John McCain (R-Ariz.) and passed in a closed-door committee meeting, without even a single hearing.
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That seems to be how they do things lately in Washington. Just think,If Obama would have lost the last election McCain would be our president now.
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From what I understand this bill will be voted on Monday or Tuesday behind closed doors.

Here is the bill

[link to www.ng.mil]
 Quoting: Intruth


If enacted, sections 1031 and 1032 of the NDAA would:

1) Explicitly authorize the federal government to indefinitely imprison without charge or trial American citizens and others picked up inside and outside the United States;

(2) Mandate military detention of some civilians who would otherwise be outside of military control, including civilians picked up within the United States itself; and

(3) Transfer to the Department of Defense core prosecutorial, investigative, law enforcement, penal, and custodial authority and responsibility now held by the Department of Justice.
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These are the measures that need to be taken in order to ensure the doom that everyone on this site talks about. American citizens loss of due process, the right of the unconstitutional fraudulent government to invade our country with our military fighting against citizens. The slow creep of tyranny is much worse than any meteor strike or insta doom. People must stop caring about materialism and start restoring their souls.
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From what I understand this bill will be voted on Monday or Tuesday behind closed doors.

Here is the bill

[link to www.ng.mil]
 Quoting: Intruth


If enacted, sections 1031 and 1032 of the NDAA would:

1) Explicitly authorize the federal government to indefinitely imprison without charge or trial American citizens and others picked up inside and outside the United States;

(2) Mandate military detention of some civilians who would otherwise be outside of military control, including civilians picked up within the United States itself; and

(3) Transfer to the Department of Defense core prosecutorial, investigative, law enforcement, penal, and custodial authority and responsibility now held by the Department of Justice.
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posted on a .mil website
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WE ARE ALL SCARED TO COMMENT FOR THE REASONS ABOVE!damned
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Thats Sad
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WE ARE ALL SCARED TO COMMENT FOR THE REASONS ABOVE!damned
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I'm not.

The bill was drafted in secret by Sens. Carl Levin (D-Mich.) and John McCain (R-Ariz.) and passed in a closed-door committee meeting, without even a single hearing.
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Well well well...would ya look at that shit. Now they want to work together in a bipartisan fashion.....

Those two can be the first to get in line to kiss my REAL AMERICAN ass. If this becomes law, it makes clear that those who vote for such do not work for us.

Remember the judge's "What If?" speech the other night? Well, ladies and gentlemen, we have gotten many answers in the last 20 years. But this one may very well speak the loudest of them all.

We have no business snatching people from all corners of the planet. Does this mean that I condone terrorism? Not for one second. However, I'll not stand for any citizen of this country to be snatched up and thrown away in some cell never to see the light of day again. This is why we have the judicial system and juries comprised of 12 of our peers.

Fuck you Mr. McCain and Mr. Levin. And fuck you to any of those who are set to vote in favor of this. Get the fuck out of this country. Apparently, Mr. McCain, you've learned nothing from the hell you experienced at the hands of other men working for their government. You are not Americans, you are wolves wearing sheeps clothing. You are an insult to the very principles that this country was founded upon.

Any members of the military...remember your oaths. Remember your oath to the constitution. Even if this is made into law...it is UNCONSTITUTIONAL. It is unethical, uncivilized, tragic, and motherfucking disgusting. They will try to demand, at some point, that you follow the orders given to you because they are now "lawful". That would be a straight out lie.

My grandfathers are rolling in their graves as a result of this absurd bullshit.
I'm just a figment of your imagination ;-)
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WE ARE ALL SCARED TO COMMENT FOR THE REASONS ABOVE!damned
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I'm not.

The bill was drafted in secret by Sens. Carl Levin (D-Mich.) and John McCain (R-Ariz.) and passed in a closed-door committee meeting, without even a single hearing.
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Well well well...would ya look at that shit. Now they want to work together in a bipartisan fashion.....

Those two can be the first to get in line to kiss my REAL AMERICAN ass. If this becomes law, it makes clear that those who vote for such do not work for us.

Remember the judge's "What If?" speech the other night? Well, ladies and gentlemen, we have gotten many answers in the last 20 years. But this one may very well speak the loudest of them all.

We have no business snatching people from all corners of the planet. Does this mean that I condone terrorism? Not for one second. However, I'll not stand for any citizen of this country to be snatched up and thrown away in some cell never to see the light of day again. This is why we have the judicial system and juries comprised of 12 of our peers.

Fuck you Mr. McCain and Mr. Levin. And fuck you to any of those who are set to vote in favor of this. Get the fuck out of this country. Apparently, Mr. McCain, you've learned nothing from the hell you experienced at the hands of other men working for their government. You are not Americans, you are wolves wearing sheeps clothing. You are an insult to the very principles that this country was founded upon.

Any members of the military...remember your oaths. Remember your oath to the constitution. Even if this is made into law...it is UNCONSTITUTIONAL. It is unethical, uncivilized, tragic, and motherfucking disgusting. They will try to demand, at some point, that you follow the orders given to you because they are now "lawful". That would be a straight out lie.

My grandfathers are rolling in their graves as a result of this absurd bullshit.
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WE ARE ALL SCARED TO COMMENT FOR THE REASONS ABOVE!damned
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I'm not.

The bill was drafted in secret by Sens. Carl Levin (D-Mich.) and John McCain (R-Ariz.) and passed in a closed-door committee meeting, without even a single hearing.
 Quoting: Intruth


Well well well...would ya look at that shit. Now they want to work together in a bipartisan fashion.....

Those two can be the first to get in line to kiss my REAL AMERICAN ass. If this becomes law, it makes clear that those who vote for such do not work for us.

Remember the judge's "What If?" speech the other night? Well, ladies and gentlemen, we have gotten many answers in the last 20 years. But this one may very well speak the loudest of them all.

We have no business snatching people from all corners of the planet. Does this mean that I condone terrorism? Not for one second. However, I'll not stand for any citizen of this country to be snatched up and thrown away in some cell never to see the light of day again. This is why we have the judicial system and juries comprised of 12 of our peers.

Fuck you Mr. McCain and Mr. Levin. And fuck you to any of those who are set to vote in favor of this. Get the fuck out of this country. Apparently, Mr. McCain, you've learned nothing from the hell you experienced at the hands of other men working for their government. You are not Americans, you are wolves wearing sheeps clothing. You are an insult to the very principles that this country was founded upon.

Any members of the military...remember your oaths. Remember your oath to the constitution. Even if this is made into law...it is UNCONSTITUTIONAL. It is unethical, uncivilized, tragic, and motherfucking disgusting. They will try to demand, at some point, that you follow the orders given to you because they are now "lawful". That would be a straight out lie.

My grandfathers are rolling in their graves as a result of this absurd bullshit.
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And since I know DHS has a hard-on for anybody that would dare have the balls to speak out against absurd crap:

No, I do not support the idea of trying to over throw the government. However, I am in full favor of voting out any member that would dare support such legislation. And you bet your sweet asses I will do my part in that. Wash, rinse, repeat until we get government that meet their responsibilities. It is not about power. It is not about authority. It is about RESPONSIBILITY.

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I did have a reasonably thought out statement to be made, in regards to this revelation and several others of similar stature, which have occurred in recent months / years; but, I some how found my way to the weird section of YouTUBE and seem to have forgotten most of it. Sunday afternoon beer, seems to have that effect.

One thing I did notice while reading the linked documentation, more money is budgeted for 'Military Drugs' than the hardware itself; At least, that's how it added up in the particular section I'm referring to.

While not directly related to original topic, I figured it to be far too amusing not to publish.
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What a shame! If this dosen't get the people into the streets to protest - nothing will.
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5 star & pin suggested
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tyranny:

Definition of TYRANNY
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: oppressive power <every form of tyranny over the mind of man — Thomas Jefferson>; especially : oppressive power exerted by government <the tyranny of a police state>
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a : a government in which absolute power is vested in a single ruler; especially : one characteristic of an ancient Greek city-state b : the office, authority, and administration of a tyrant
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Congress to Vote on EXPLICITLY Creating a Police State
by Washington's Blog
27-11-2011

If You Thought Police Brutality Was Bad … Wait Until You See What Congress Wants to Do Next Week

The police brutality against peaceful protesters in Berkeley, Davis, Oakland and elsewhere is bad enough.

But next week, Congress will vote on explicitly creating a police state.

The ACLU’s Washington legislative office explains:

The Senate is gearing up for a vote on Monday or Tuesday that goes to the very heart of who we are as Americans. The Senate will be voting on a bill that will direct American military resources not at an enemy shooting at our military in a war zone, but at American citizens and other civilians far from any battlefield — even people in the United States itself.

***

The Senate is going to vote on whether Congress will give this president—and every future president — the power to order the military to pick up and imprison without charge or trial civilians anywhere in the world.

***

The power is so broad that even U.S. citizens could be swept up by the military and the military could be used far from any battlefield, even within the United States itself. The worldwide indefinite detention without charge or trial provision is in S. 1867, the National Defense Authorization Act bill, which will be on the Senate floor on Monday.

***

I know it sounds incredible. New powers to use the military worldwide, even within the United States? Hasn’t anyone told the Senate that Osama bin Laden is dead, that the president is pulling all of the combat troops out of Iraq and trying to figure out how to get combat troops out of Afghanistan too? And American citizens and people picked up on American or Canadian or British streets being sent to military prisons indefinitely without even being charged with a crime. Really? Does anyone think this is a good idea? And why now?

***

In support of this harmful bill, Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) explained that the bill will “basically say in law for the first time that the homeland is part of the battlefield” and people can be imprisoned without charge or trial “American citizen or not.” Another supporter, Sen. Kelly Ayotte (R-N.H.) also declared that the bill is needed because “America is part of the battlefield.”

***

The senators pushing the indefinite detention proposal have made their goals very clear that they want an okay for a worldwide military battlefield, that even extends to your hometown.

CONTINUE AT: [link to globalresearch.ca]
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No one seems to be interested that this will take the Patriot Act to a whole new level?
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This is part of the reason why I decided to sell EVERYTHING I own and move the fuck out of the country.

I no longer want to live here as my country no longer exists as it has been overthrown by traitors and non-constitutionalists.

I will live the balance of my life out in a country that does not feel the need to spy on its own citizens and treat its own citizens like terrorists.
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This was a previous thread on it.

Thread: Check this out!!! U.S. being declared a "Battlefield" -Military can arrest and Lock Up ANY U.S. citizen

NOT GOOD !!!

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John McCain is a dangerous old fool who has been used by the progressive left to abridge our right in the name of security for decades. He is such a neo-con tool that has been so isolated from the real world for so long that he can't even see or understand what is being done or the ulterior motives behind it. He is a drooling fool who thinks that the progressives actually have the best interest of the citizens in mind. Every time the progressive left needs a GOP mouthpiece to explain to us why we must sacrifice our liberty for security, they wheel out the dangerously oblivious "maverick" John McCain to make the case. They pumped him up as the GOP nominee in 2008 only to make a fool out of him the entire campaign cycle. They pumped him up in AZ when it looked as though he was going to lose his Senate seat in 2010 because they wanted to keep him around as a useful idiot. Now they are using him again and the idiot falls for it every single time like Charlie Brown trying to kick a football.
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Remember that debate between Ron Paul and Newt Gingrich, where Mr. Gingrich suggested we should expand and strengthen the Patriot Act in the name of protecting US citizens from terrorists? Mr. Gingrich indicated that there exists a line between criminal law and the war on terror, and that we need not worry the government will overstep its bounds.

While Americans enjoy the Thanksgiving weekend and join the annual running of the bulls celebration at malls and retail outlets, something sinister is taking place in Congress – and it should scare the hell out of you. If the President and Senate have their way, your front lawn will soon become a battlefield, and you’ll be subjected to military, not criminal, law.

From the ACLU Via The Daily Sheeple:

The Senate is gearing up for a vote on Monday or Tuesday that goes to the very heart of who we are as Americans. The Senate will be voting on a bill that will direct American military resources not at an enemy shooting at our military in a war zone, but at American citizens and other civilians far from any battlefield — even people in the United States itself.



The Senate is going to vote on whether Congress will give this president—and every future president — the power to order the military to pick up and imprison without charge or trial civilians anywhere in the world. Even Rep. Ron Paul (R-Texas) raised his concerns about the NDAA detention provisions during last night’s Republican debate. The power is so broad that even U.S. citizens could be swept up by the military and the military could be used far from any battlefield, even within the United States itself.

The worldwide indefinite detention without charge or trial provision is in S. 1867, the National Defense Authorization Act bill, which will be on the Senate floor on Monday. The bill was drafted in secret by Sens. Carl Levin (D-Mich.) and John McCain (R-Ariz.) and passed in a closed-door committee meeting, without even a single hearing.

I know it sounds incredible. New powers to use the military worldwide, even within the United States? Hasn’t anyone told the Senate that Osama bin Laden is dead, that the president is pulling all of the combat troops out of Iraq and trying to figure out how to get combat troops out of Afghanistan too? And American citizens and people picked up on American or Canadian or British streets being sent to military prisons indefinitely without even being charged with a crime. Really? Does anyone think this is a good idea? And why now?

This is happening right now – IN AMERICA! A law that is designed to specifically bypass Constitutional protections and one that will undoubtedly be used against the American people to further advance and expand the national police state.

Once signed into law the President (or anyone of his minions within the Justice Department or Homeland Security acting on his behalf) can issue orders to arrest, detain and imprison an American citizen in the United States without due process. Since most terror arrests fall into the realm of national security, and therefore are secret, no evidence would ever need to be presented for the permanent detainment (and who knows what else) of an American imprisoned under this law.

Author: Mac Slavo
Date: November 25th, 2011
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bump

5 stars and good karma,

Thanks OP, for keeping us informed. The Government sneaking threw legislation on Thanksgiving Weekend, shows their intent "Loud & Clear"


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From what I understand this bill will be voted on Monday or Tuesday behind closed doors.

Here is the bill

[link to www.ng.mil]
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Nothing on arrest policy there ....
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You guys are so farked.

It started with patriot act, the slippery slope.
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It might come in handy when we need to get trapped CIA out of Syria.
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"Remember that debate between Ron Paul and Newt Gingrich, where Mr. Gingrich suggested we should expand and strengthen the Patriot Act in the name of protecting US citizens from terrorists? Mr. Gingrich indicated that there exists a line between criminal law and the war on terror, and that we need not worry the government will overstep its bounds."


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great, now what?!
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sfan

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it its a requirement to counter "balance" Israels threat to strike iran thus popular support within Pakistan is being formed for Pakistan to launch should israel make the attack

'Iran, Pakistan to sign security pact'
Thu Sep 29, 2011

Iran's Interior Minister Mostafa Mohammad-Najjar has urged vigilance against plots aimed at damaging the country's amicable ties with Pakistan, underlining plans by the two nations to sign a security agreement in a near future, Press TV reports.
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[link to www.presstv.ir]

ICBM: Pakistan intercontinental missile underway
August 13th, 2009
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they possess the range
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well the win win is thus:

israel attacks iran removing iran nuclear potential
pakistan launches against israel removing israel
nato removes pakistan

ambrahamic fundamentalism removed
no nuclear potential within islam
no nuclear potential within judaism
no sacred sites (jerualem) of fundamentalist inspiration
a few years of "lock down" whilst abrahamic faithful stabilize
new technology rolled out within "lock down"
new physics thus new concepts of god by default
environmental mess removed by new technology
etc etc

the politics of god alien03
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Thread: BREAKING: Nato helicopters 'attack Pakistan checkpost' (Page 3)

i wonder cool2
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they have long overstepped their bounds


they have continued to over reach and seek to destroy
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Thanks for the link
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11/27/2011 09:22 AM
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Re: Senate To Vote On Legislation That Allows U.S. Military to Detain Americans Without Charge or Trial
God I hope it passes, maybe then people will wake up.

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