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i have NO idea whats going on. but im sure there is definetly SOMETHING going on. i can SEE it! just look up!
thats why i dont listen to the debunker on this matter. they are just beein plain brind. just look up. and if you are above 20yo, try to remember if it was like this.

btw i also dont agree with all the theories. they are really funny sometimes. but c'mon, one cannot say that theres is nothing going on.
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I think you position is very reasonable. . . .I feel if people look at all the circumstantial evidence, history, capability and opportunity . . . Some type of high altitude aerosol injection program is ongoing. . ..coffee4
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Yes, something IS going on..and probably the paid debunkers know or have to suspect that something is to be hidden or don't ask questions as long as the pay check keeps coming...
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i have NO idea whats going on. but im sure there is definetly SOMETHING going on. i can SEE it! just look up!
thats why i dont listen to the debunker on this matter. they are just beein plain brind. just look up. and if you are above 20yo, try to remember if it was like this.

btw i also dont agree with all the theories. they are really funny sometimes. but c'mon, one cannot say that theres is nothing going on.
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I think you position is very reasonable. . . .I feel if people look at all the circumstantial evidence, history, capability and opportunity . . . Some type of high altitude aerosol injection program is ongoing. . ..coffee4
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Yes, something IS going on..and probably the paid debunkers know or have to suspect that something is to be hidden or don't ask questions as long as the pay check keeps coming...
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I agree, except I not sure I think there are paid debunker regarding CHEMTRAILs. . . I think some forums can use people to bump threads to keep things going. . . Increase the participation and readership. . . But, my feeling is the Chemtrail advocates are too small and ineffective to be a threat. . .
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I didn't say what they are used for; however, my best guess is they are an attempt to promote global dimming. . . coffee4
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which is at least a reasonable and testable theory. but that means you dont need any chem in the trail, plain old H2O will suffice. i'd expect there to be considerable amounts of contrail activity in the lower latitudes for maximum effect, is this the case.

or are they only seen over populated areas where flight paths happen to be?
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I didn't say what they are used for; however, my best guess is they are an attempt to promote global dimming. . . coffee4
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which is at least a reasonable and testable theory. but that means you dont need any chem in the trail, plain old H2O will suffice. i'd expect there to be considerable amounts of contrail activity in the lower latitudes for maximum effect, is this the case.

or are they only seen over populated areas where flight paths happen to be?
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I don't think you need activity in the lower latitudes necessarily. . . Where one needs the activity . . . Radiative Forcing . . . is in the highly populated areas where other activities have caused higher temperature accumulation . . . just using the existing number and frequency of the new high efficiency jet engines since 1990 may well be effective for some mitigation of warming through global dimming. This would correspond largely within the highest traveled traffic lanes (US, Western Europe, etc ) where global dimming is most needed. . . . ohyeah
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US Air Force Academy official booklet for pilots titled Chemtrails (1991):

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I love how you are suggesting that the ONLY reason for less moisture in the air for the second image is no air traffic.



The movement of weather systems couldn't have anything to do with it.



George, you are a manipulating dirtbag...and that's all you'll ever be.

My last post in this thread.
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Before being "enhanced" and cropped to "cherry pick":

chem8

After infrared enhancement without the cherry picking cropping:

chem9
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Before being "enhanced" and cropped to "cherry pick":

chem8

After infrared enhancement without the cherry picking cropping:

chem9
 Quoting: Sir Phydeau


So what is your point. . . .the photo was presented by NASA to show the extent of contrail coverage in the southeastern US on one day in 2004. . . .they cherry picked it. . . . [link to earthobservatory.nasa.gov]
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So what is your point. . . .the photo was presented by NASA to show the extent of contrail coverage in the southeastern US on one day in 2004. . . .they cherry picked it. . . . [link to earthobservatory.nasa.gov]
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My point is, while it's not outright lying, it's somewhat dishonest ... like the fat chick cropping her picture to appear less fat on MySpace or Facebook:

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So what is your point. . . .the photo was presented by NASA to show the extent of contrail coverage in the southeastern US on one day in 2004. . . .they cherry picked it. . . . [link to earthobservatory.nasa.gov]
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My point is, while it's not outright lying, it's somewhat dishonest ... like the fat chick cropping her picture to appear less fat on MySpace or Facebook:

[link to www.hippotoaster.com]
 Quoting: Sir Phydeau


In what way? This is a satellite photo. . . Which is infrared enhanced and clearly shows the massive trails and possibly their accompanying cirrus cloud banks covering a huge amount of sky in the southeastern US . . The trails and cloud complexes in the photo are possibly not even visible to the people on the ground because of the cloud cover and/or only visible in the infrared spectrum. . . .not in the visible spectrum. . . Also the trails are so wide they may only appear as wide cloud banks. . . .

Because they may not be visible. . . Does not mean they are not there and having a significant climatic impact. . . how is that lying. . . . ????? spock
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I didn't say what they are used for; however, my best guess is they are an attempt to promote global dimming. . . coffee4
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which is at least a reasonable and testable theory. but that means you dont need any chem in the trail, plain old H2O will suffice. i'd expect there to be considerable amounts of contrail activity in the lower latitudes for maximum effect, is this the case.

or are they only seen over populated areas where flight paths happen to be?
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I don't think you need activity in the lower latitudes necessarily. . . Where one needs the activity . . . Radiative Forcing . . . is in the highly populated areas where other activities have caused higher temperature accumulation . . . just using the existing number and frequency of the new high efficiency jet engines since 1990 may well be effective for some mitigation of warming through global dimming. This would correspond largely within the highest traveled traffic lanes (US, Western Europe, etc ) where global dimming is most needed. . . . ohyeah
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Missed this... that doesnt float im afraid. The albedo effect, reflecting sun back to space, is the completely different from heat accumulation from urban centers. In fact if the formation of cloud draws in moisture, it would create a local green house effect, increasing the local heat. Therefore deliberate deposits of contrails above urban areas wouldnt do the same but the opposite fucntion of the global dimming idea.

So rather than use my prediction to support your theory you have in fact observed the inverse and falsified it. nice one, at this rate we'll have debunked this chemtrail nonsence by the wend of the weekend.
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I didn't say what they are used for; however, my best guess is they are an attempt to promote global dimming. . . coffee4
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which is at least a reasonable and testable theory. but that means you dont need any chem in the trail, plain old H2O will suffice. i'd expect there to be considerable amounts of contrail activity in the lower latitudes for maximum effect, is this the case.

or are they only seen over populated areas where flight paths happen to be?
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I don't think you need activity in the lower latitudes necessarily. . . Where one needs the activity . . . Radiative Forcing . . . is in the highly populated areas where other activities have caused higher temperature accumulation . . . just using the existing number and frequency of the new high efficiency jet engines since 1990 may well be effective for some mitigation of warming through global dimming. This would correspond largely within the highest traveled traffic lanes (US, Western Europe, etc ) where global dimming is most needed. . . . ohyeah
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Missed this... that doesnt float im afraid. The albedo effect, reflecting sun back to space, is the completely different from heat accumulation from urban centers. In fact if the formation of cloud draws in moisture, it would create a local green house effect, increasing the local heat. Therefore deliberate deposits of contrails above urban areas wouldnt do the same
but the opposite fucntion of the global dimming idea.

So rather than use my prediction to support your theory you have in fact observed the inverse and falsified it. nice one, at this rate we'll have debunked this chemtrail nonsence by the wend of the weekend.
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I don't think the book has been closed on that issue. . . .There is conflicting data. . .I think the PTB believe that Chemtrailing and use of Sulfur compounds leads to global dimming and a cooling effect. . . .

"[edit]September 11, 2001 climate impact study
The grounding of planes for three days in the United States after September 11, 2001 provided a rare opportunity for scientists to study the effects of contrails on climate forcing. Measurements showed that without contrails, the local diurnal temperature range (difference of day and night temperatures) was about 1 degree Celsius higher than immediately before;[8] however, it has also been suggested that this was due to unusually clear weather during the period.[9]
Condensation trails have been suspected of causing "regional-scale surface temperature" changes for some time.[10][11] Researcher David J. Travis, an atmospheric scientist at the University of Wisconsin-Whitewater, has published and spoken on the measurable impacts of contrails on climate change in the science journal Nature and at the American Meteorological Society 10th Annual conference in Portland, Oregon. The effect of the change in aircraft contrail formation on the 3 days after the 11th was observed in surface temperature change, measured across over 4,000 reporting stations in the continental United States.[10] Travis' research documented an "anomalous increase in the average diurnal temperature change".[10] The diurnal temperature range (DTR) is the difference in the day's highs and lows at any weather reporting station.[12] Travis observed a 1.8 degree Celsius departure from the two adjacent three-day periods to the 11th-14th.[10] This increase was the largest recorded in 30 years, more than "2 standard deviations away from the mean DTR".[10]"


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Please see video below.
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I can only speak of my own views, opinions and beliefs:

Has weather modification been used before? Yes, it's documented.

Has government entities sprayed the public via aircraft? It's not just likely, it's probable. (There are also documented cases from the 70s)

HOWEVER, what I poke at and laugh at are how many that insist that EVERY contrail they see is "Heavy spraying in ________ area today!"

A lot of these chemtrail believers seem to think that ANY line in the sky is evidence of "we're being sprayed!!!"

They make comments like "There's no such thing as a contrail and if you think there is, you're paid by the government to disagree with me!" or "There is no such thing as a persistent contrail." or my personal favorite, "A contrail was never seen by anyone prior to the 90s.".

For MOST of them, it's all or nothing.

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Please see video below.

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Fixed the embed for ya. ;)
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I can only speak of my own views, opinions and beliefs:

Has weather modification been used before? Yes, it's documented.

Has government entities sprayed the public via aircraft? It's not just likely, it's probable. (There are also documented cases from the 70s)

HOWEVER, what I poke at and laugh at are how many that insist that EVERY contrail they see is "Heavy spraying in ________ area today!"

A lot of these chemtrail believers seem to think that ANY line in the sky is evidence of "we're being sprayed!!!"

They make comments like "There's no such thing as a contrail and if you think there is, you're paid by the government to disagree with me!" or "There is no such thing as a persistent contrail."

For MOST of them, it's all or nothing.
 Quoting: Sir Phydeau


There is a line in the sand or a continuum with Chemtrail advocates . . . Separating the emotional response of persistent trails and cirrus clouds which could be used as a climate modification process through policy versus the number and frequency of other aerosol injection missions is the big question . . .

That is . . . How much of what we see is intentional aerosol injection for covert reasons and how much is just coincidental to new technology and or policy manipulation. . . coffee4

Since I don't trust the authorities and they have a history of similar activities carried out in secrecy I err on the side of suspicion . . .
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There is a line in the sand or a continuum with Chemtrail advocates . . . Separating the emotional response of persistent trails and cirrus clouds which could be used as a climate modification process through policy versus the number and frequency of other aerosol injection missions is the big question . . .

That is . . . How much of what we see is intentional aerosol injection for covert reasons and how much is just coincidental to new technology and or policy manipulation. . . coffee4

Since I don't trust the authorities and they have a history of similar activities carried out in secrecy I err on the side of suspicion . . .
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I get that.

Honestly, George ... I've crossed paths with you on these threads before. You're not as bad as some of the others.
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lol
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Laugh if you wish. . . .If I remember correctly the atmospheric soundings on the day of the second picture indicate that persistent trails would have had a very high probability of being present if there had been air traffic. . .coffee4
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lol
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Laugh if you wish. . . .If I remember correctly the atmospheric soundings on the day of the second picture indicate that persistent trails would have had a very high probability of being present if there had been air traffic. . .coffee4
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03808 Camborne Observations at 12Z 17 Apr 2010

-------------------------------------------------------------​----------------
PRES HGHT TEMP DWPT RELH MIXR DRCT SKNT THTA THTE THTV
hPa m C C % g/kg deg knot K K K
-------------------------------------------------------------​----------------

400.0 7230 -35.7 -57.7 9 0.04 155 5 308.5 308.7 308.5
377.0 7639 -39.3 -57.3 13 0.04 160 6 309.0 309.2 309.0
365.0 7858 -41.1 -58.7 13 0.04 165 8 309.4 309.6 309.4
349.0 8162 -43.7 -60.7 14 0.03 211 6 310.0 310.1 310.0
341.0 8317 -45.0 -61.6 14 0.03 235 5 310.3 310.4 310.3
330.0 8535 -46.8 -63.0 14 0.02 160 3 310.7 310.8 310.7
326.0 8616 -47.5 -63.5 14 0.02 161 3 310.8 310.9 310.8
309.0 8967 -50.4 -65.0 16 0.02 165 2 311.5 311.6 311.5

Approximately 30,000 feet
302.0 9117 -51.7 -65.7 17 0.02 153 4 311.8 311.9 311.8
300.0 9160 -51.9 -64.9 20 0.02 150 5 312.1 312.2 312.1
291.0 9357 -53.3 -65.6 21 0.02 150 9 312.9 312.9 312.9
287.0 9446 -53.9 -65.9 22 0.02 145 9 313.2 313.3 313.2
275.0 9718 -55.8 -66.7 24 0.02 130 9 314.3 314.4 314.3
266.0 9930 -57.3 -67.3 27 0.02 123 11 315.1 315.2 315.1
258.0 10122 -58.7 -66.7 35 0.02 116 13 315.8 315.9 315.8
257.0 10147 -58.8 -66.6 36 0.02 115 13 316.1 316.1 316.1
252.0 10270 -59.1 -66.1 40 0.02 122 16 317.4 317.4 317.4
250.0 10320 -59.7 -66.7 40 0.02 125 17 317.2 317.3 317.2
244.0 10471 -60.7 -67.1 42 0.02 125 19 317.9 318.0 317.9
239.0 10600 -61.5 -67.5 45 0.02 122 19 318.6 318.7 318.6
234.0 10731 -62.5 -68.5 44 0.02 118 18 319.0 319.1 319.0
229.0 10864 -63.1 -69.1 44 0.02 115 18 320.0 320.1 320.0
226.0 10945 -63.5 -69.5 44 0.01 115 19 320.6 320.7 320.7
216.0 11224 -63.3 -70.2 39 0.01 95 20 325.1 325.2 325.1
215.0 11252 -63.3 -70.3 38 0.01 98 19 325.6 325.6 325.6
207.0 11487 -61.6 -72.2 23 0.01 125 14 331.8 331.9 331.8
204.0 11577 -60.9 -72.9 19 0.01 123 9 334.3 334.3 334.3
201.0 11669 -61.5 -74.2 17 0.01 120 3 334.7 334.8 334.7
200.0 11700 -61.7 -74.7 16 0.01 120 3 334.9 334.9 334.9
195.0 11858 -60.0 -77.9 8 0.00 100 3 340.1 340.1 340.1
192.0 11955 -58.9 -79.9 5 0.00 235 2 343.3 343.3 343.3
191.0 11988 -58.7 -80.3 5 0.00 280 2 344.2 344.2 344.2
187.0 12122 -57.7 -82.2 3 0.00 5 7 347.8 347.8 347.8
182.0 12294 -56.5 -84.5 2 0.00 19 8 352.5 352.5 352.5
178.0 12436 -55.6 -84.9 1 0.00 30 8 356.3 356.3 356.3
176.0 12508 -55.1 -85.1 1 0.00 1 7 358.2 358.2 358.2
170.0 12730 -55.4 -86.0 1 0.00 270 3 361.3 361.4 361.3
162.0 13038 -55.7 -87.2 1 0.00 20 3 365.8 365.8 365.8

Approximately 42,000 feet


158.0 13198 -55.9 -87.9 1 0.00 356 3 368.1 368.1 368.1
157.0 13239 -55.9 -87.8 1 0.00 350 3 368.8 368.8 368.8
153.0 13403 -55.6 -87.7 1 0.00 40 3 371.9 371.9 371.9
150.0 13530 -55.5 -87.5 1 0.00 185 2 374.2 374.3 374.2
149.0 13573 -55.5 -87.5 1 0.00 180 2 375.0 375.1 375.0
141.0 13924 -55.1 -87.1 1 0.00 47 10 381.6 381.6 381.6
140.0 13969 -55.2 -87.2 1 0.00 30 11 382.3 382.3 382.3
132.0 14343 -55.8 -87.8 1 0.00 80 13 387.7 387.7 387.7
125.0 14689 -56.3 -88.3 1 0.00 128 12 392.8 392.8 392.8
122.0 14843 -57.6 -89.0 1 0.00 150 12 393.2 393.2 393.2
120.0 14947 -58.5 -89.5 1 0.00 160 11 393.4 393.4 393.4
113.0 15324 -58.5 -89.5 1 0.00 195 9 400.2 400.2 400.2
106.0 15725 -58.5 -89.5 1 0.00 225 6 407.6 407.6 407.6
100.0 16090 -59.3 -90.3 1 0.00 230 12 412.9 412.9 412.9

Station information and sounding indices

Station number: 3808
Observation time: 100417/1200
Station latitude: 50.22
Station longitude: -5.32

Questions about the weather data provided by this site can be addressed to Larry Oolman (ldoolman@uwyo.edu)

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There is a line in the sand or a continuum with Chemtrail advocates . . . Separating the emotional response of persistent trails and cirrus clouds which could be used as a climate modification process through policy versus the number and frequency of other aerosol injection missions is the big question . . .

That is . . . How much of what we see is intentional aerosol injection for covert reasons and how much is just coincidental to new technology and or policy manipulation. . . coffee4

Since I don't trust the authorities and they have a history of similar activities carried out in secrecy I err on the side of suspicion . . .
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I get that.

Honestly, George ... I've crossed paths with you on these threads before. You're not as bad as some of the others.
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Though I still am delusional . . . Huh!!!! . . . . 1rof1
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-----------------------------------------------------------​------------------
PRES HGHT TEMP DWPT RELH MIXR DRCT SKNT THTA THTE THTV
hPa m C C % g/kg deg knot K K K
-------------------------------------------------------------​----------------

Approximately 30,000 feet
302.0 9117 -51.7 -65.7 17 0.02 153 4 311.8 311.9 311.8
300.0 9160 -51.9 -64.9 20 0.02 150 5 312.1 312.2 312.1
291.0 9357 -53.3 -65.6 21 0.02 150 9 312.9 312.9 312.9
287.0 9446 -53.9 -65.9 22 0.02 145 9 313.2 313.3 313.2
275.0 9718 -55.8 -66.7 24 0.02 130 9 314.3 314.4 314.3
266.0 9930 -57.3 -67.3 27 0.02 123 11 315.1 315.2 315.1
258.0 10122 -58.7 -66.7 35 0.02 116 13 315.8 315.9 315.8
257.0 10147 -58.8 -66.6 36 0.02 115 13 316.1 316.1 316.1
252.0 10270 -59.1 -66.1 40 0.02 122 16 317.4 317.4 317.4
250.0 10320 -59.7 -66.7 40 0.02 125 17 317.2 317.3 317.2
244.0 10471 -60.7 -67.1 42 0.02 125 19 317.9 318.0 317.9
239.0 10600 -61.5 -67.5 45 0.02 122 19 318.6 318.7 318.6
234.0 10731 -62.5 -68.5 44 0.02 118 18 319.0 319.1 319.0
229.0 10864 -63.1 -69.1 44 0.02 115 18 320.0 320.1 320.0
226.0 10945 -63.5 -69.5 44 0.01 115 19 320.6 320.7 320.7
216.0 11224 -63.3 -70.2 39 0.01 95 20 325.1 325.2 325.1
215.0 11252 -63.3 -70.3 38 0.01 98 19 325.6 325.6 325.6
207.0 11487 -61.6 -72.2 23 0.01 125 14 331.8 331.9 331.8
204.0 11577 -60.9 -72.9 19 0.01 123 9 334.3 334.3 334.3
201.0 11669 -61.5 -74.2 17 0.01 120 3 334.7 334.8 334.7
200.0 11700 -61.7 -74.7 16 0.01 120 3 334.9 334.9 334.9
195.0 11858 -60.0 -77.9 8 0.00 100 3 340.1 340.1 340.1
192.0 11955 -58.9 -79.9 5 0.00 235 2 343.3 343.3 343.3
191.0 11988 -58.7 -80.3 5 0.00 280 2 344.2 344.2 344.2
187.0 12122 -57.7 -82.2 3 0.00 5 7 347.8 347.8 347.8
182.0 12294 -56.5 -84.5 2 0.00 19 8 352.5 352.5 352.5
178.0 12436 -55.6 -84.9 1 0.00 30 8 356.3 356.3 356.3
176.0 12508 -55.1 -85.1 1 0.00 1 7 358.2 358.2 358.2
170.0 12730 -55.4 -86.0 1 0.00 270 3 361.3 361.4 361.3
162.0 13038 -55.7 -87.2 1 0.00 20 3 365.8 365.8 365.8

Approximately 42,000 feet


 Quoting: George B


With pressure, and RH like that, you just proved there can be no contrails that day...

You go girl...
"Hold my cat while I bring in my tomato plant. That chemtrail looks like an earthquake chemtrail"

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PRES HGHT TEMP DWPT RELH MIXR DRCT SKNT THTA THTE THTV
hPa m C C % g/kg deg knot K K K
-------------------------------------------------------------​----------------

Approximately 30,000 feet
302.0 9117 -51.7 -65.7 17 0.02 153 4 311.8 311.9 311.8
300.0 9160 -51.9 -64.9 20 0.02 150 5 312.1 312.2 312.1
291.0 9357 -53.3 -65.6 21 0.02 150 9 312.9 312.9 312.9
287.0 9446 -53.9 -65.9 22 0.02 145 9 313.2 313.3 313.2
275.0 9718 -55.8 -66.7 24 0.02 130 9 314.3 314.4 314.3
266.0 9930 -57.3 -67.3 27 0.02 123 11 315.1 315.2 315.1
258.0 10122 -58.7 -66.7 35 0.02 116 13 315.8 315.9 315.8
257.0 10147 -58.8 -66.6 36 0.02 115 13 316.1 316.1 316.1
252.0 10270 -59.1 -66.1 40 0.02 122 16 317.4 317.4 317.4
250.0 10320 -59.7 -66.7 40 0.02 125 17 317.2 317.3 317.2
244.0 10471 -60.7 -67.1 42 0.02 125 19 317.9 318.0 317.9
239.0 10600 -61.5 -67.5 45 0.02 122 19 318.6 318.7 318.6
234.0 10731 -62.5 -68.5 44 0.02 118 18 319.0 319.1 319.0
229.0 10864 -63.1 -69.1 44 0.02 115 18 320.0 320.1 320.0
226.0 10945 -63.5 -69.5 44 0.01 115 19 320.6 320.7 320.7
216.0 11224 -63.3 -70.2 39 0.01 95 20 325.1 325.2 325.1
215.0 11252 -63.3 -70.3 38 0.01 98 19 325.6 325.6 325.6
207.0 11487 -61.6 -72.2 23 0.01 125 14 331.8 331.9 331.8
204.0 11577 -60.9 -72.9 19 0.01 123 9 334.3 334.3 334.3
201.0 11669 -61.5 -74.2 17 0.01 120 3 334.7 334.8 334.7
200.0 11700 -61.7 -74.7 16 0.01 120 3 334.9 334.9 334.9
195.0 11858 -60.0 -77.9 8 0.00 100 3 340.1 340.1 340.1
192.0 11955 -58.9 -79.9 5 0.00 235 2 343.3 343.3 343.3
191.0 11988 -58.7 -80.3 5 0.00 280 2 344.2 344.2 344.2
187.0 12122 -57.7 -82.2 3 0.00 5 7 347.8 347.8 347.8
182.0 12294 -56.5 -84.5 2 0.00 19 8 352.5 352.5 352.5
178.0 12436 -55.6 -84.9 1 0.00 30 8 356.3 356.3 356.3
176.0 12508 -55.1 -85.1 1 0.00 1 7 358.2 358.2 358.2
170.0 12730 -55.4 -86.0 1 0.00 270 3 361.3 361.4 361.3
162.0 13038 -55.7 -87.2 1 0.00 20 3 365.8 365.8 365.8

Approximately 42,000 feet


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With pressure, and RH like that, you just proved there can be no contrails that day...

You go girl...
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What research do you base that conclusion on????? . . . coffee4
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What research do you base that conclusion on????? . . .
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[link to www-angler.larc.nasa.gov]
 Quoting: SnakeAirlines


show me 17 Apr 2010 over England at 1200Z . . .
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In the half dozen or so Chicago chemtrail events the KC767 type aircraft sometimes left quickly dissipating contrails behind the 2 engines. However the 4 main wing nozzles that were not aligned with the engines left persistant chemtrails that did not dissipate. These chemtrails merged into each other(parallel lines or grid) forming an even haze, nicely engineered(imho) for even coverage.
Not everyone reports contrails as chemtrails as they are two different plume characteristics.

I can only speak of my own views, opinions and beliefs:

Has weather modification been used before? Yes, it's documented.

Has government entities sprayed the public via aircraft? It's not just likely, it's probable. (There are also documented cases from the 70s)

HOWEVER, what I poke at and laugh at are how many that insist that EVERY contrail they see is "Heavy spraying in ________ area today!"

A lot of these chemtrail believers seem to think that ANY line in the sky is evidence of "we're being sprayed!!!"

They make comments like "There's no such thing as a contrail and if you think there is, you're paid by the government to disagree with me!" or "There is no such thing as a persistent contrail." or my personal favorite, "A contrail was never seen by anyone prior to the 90s.".

For MOST of them, it's all or nothing.
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Debunkers!!! . . .  CHEMTRAILs don't exist . . . Because. . . .

1) There is no evidence the persistent vapor trails in the sky are anything but contrails
2) no 'in situ' testing of aircraft vapor trails has identified anything other than combustion products, fuel remnants and engine erosion products . . .
3) No government or corporate representative has admitted to the existence of a Chemtrail program
4) No acceptable whistleblower has come forward to testify to the method, technology or personnel involved in a Chemtrail program
5) No testing of air, water, or organic tissue has found levels of contaminates that could not have come from manufacturing, mining or natural sources
6) Historical wrongdoing in the past by the authorities is not evidence of existing wrongdoing . . . And nothing to do with the CHEMTRAILs myth
7) Patents related to aerosol injection and geoengineering are not adequate evidence of a Chemtrail program . . . 
8) Scientific symposium and research papers regarding aerosol injection as a method of geoengineering does not prove a Chemtrail program is ongoing  . . .
9) Cloud seeding, chaff, weather modification experimentation, and spraying of insecticides, fungicides, weed control substances, and dispersants do not constitute CHEMTRAILs . . .
10) Proposals in military research to own the weather as a weapon or defensive counter measure in the future has nothing to do with CHEMTRAILs . . .
11) No program as extensive as CHEMTRAILs could have been hidden 
from the public for all these years without accidental or intentional disclosure 
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your poll sucks, one side b/s, yes they do exist. dip stick
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What research do you base that conclusion on????? . . .
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[link to www-angler.larc.nasa.gov]
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show me 17 Apr 2010 over England at 1200Z . . .
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No...You're the one hung on that instant in time and place...You do it...

Still not bright enough to know that simply because the Appleman chart states that a contrail will "always form", that this has nothing whatsoever to do with whether it will persist, huh?

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