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 1) Most are not paid . . . They are jerks on ego trips, harassing people for fun 
 2) Are Covert researchers from marketing, image management, and legal firms on fringe populations. . . 
 3) Are paid to keep controversy going and increase readership and participation on forums and blogs 
 4) Are used to identify and manage troublemakers that could cause legal problems for the forum
 5) Are government Shills used to ID possible security threats 
 6) Are entertainment shills researching reaction to new plots & concepts or steal new concepts
 7) Are government shills used to pose trial balloons or straw men for research purposes 
 8) Are government shills used to incite anti-government sentiment. . . 
 9) Are government shills used to ID new information about, technology, science, etc. to exploit it. . .  
 10) Are government shills used to locate missing and/fugitive people
 11) Are institutionalized people, prison, mental wards, home custody that are staying occupied. . . 
 12) More than one of the above. . . 
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Paid Debunkers and Shills . . Do they exist. . . if so . . .WHY?
1) Most are not paid . . . They are jerks on ego trips, harassing people for fun 
2) Are Covert researchers from marketing, image management, and legal firms on fringe populations. . . 
3) Are paid to keep controversy going and increase readership and participation on forums and blogs 
4) Are used to identify and manage troublemakers that could cause legal problems for the forum
5) Are government Shills used to ID possible security threats 
6) Are entertainment shills researching reaction to new plots & concepts or steal new concepts
7) Are government shills used to pose trial balloons or straw men for research purposes 
8) Are government shills used to incite anti-government sentiment. . . 
9) Are government shills used to ID new information about, technology, science, etc. to exploit it. . .  
10) Are government shills used to locate missing and/fugitive people
11) Are institutionalized people, prison, mental wards, home custody that are staying occupied. . . 
12) More than one of the above. . . 
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

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New Metrics for Blog Mining
Brian Ulicnya, Ken Baclawskia, Amy Magnusb
aVIStology, Inc., 5 Mountainview Dr., Framingham, MA 01701
Air Force Office of Scientific Research, 875 North Randolph Street, Suite 325 , Arlington, VA
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ABSTRACT
Blogs represent an important new arena for knowledge discovery in open source intelligence gathering. Bloggers are a vast network of human (and sometimes non-human) information sources monitoring important local and global events,and other blogs, for items of interest upon which they comment. Increasingly, issues erupt from the blog world and into the real world. In order to monitor blogging about important events, we must develop models and metrics that represent blogs correctly. The structure of blogs requires new techniques for evaluating such metrics as the relevance, specificity, credibility and timeliness of blog entries. Techniques that have been developed for standard information retrieval purposes (e.g. Google's PageRank) are suboptimal when applied to blogs because of their high degree of exophoricity,quotation, brevity, and rapidity of update. In this paper, we offer new metrics related for blog entry relevance,specificity, timeliness and credibility that we are implementing in a blog search and analysis tool for international blogs. This tools utilizes new blog-specific metrics and techniques for extracting the necessary information from blog entries automatically, using some shallow natural language processing techniques supported by background knowledge captured in domain-specific ontologies.
Keywords: Blog mining, blog search, information fusion, relevance, specificity, timeliness, credibility. [link to www.dtic.mil]
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.
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The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional . . . George B
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Thanks? . . . coffee4
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

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The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional . . . George B
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Most are not paid . . . They are jerks on ego trips, harassing people for fun 100.0%


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I'm only human, it's my biggest flaw.

We must all realize a sink a chair and a pillow are all luxuries of home and a soldiers helmet takes the place of all three.
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Most are not paid . . . They are jerks on ego trips, harassing people for fun 100.0%


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I think that is most of them. . . But do you think there are some professionals? . . . coffee4
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.
Galileo Galilei, Italian astronomer & physicist (1564 - 1642)

The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional . . . George B
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WHY?coffee4
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.
Galileo Galilei, Italian astronomer & physicist (1564 - 1642)

The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional . . . George B
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Most 'paid debunkers' or 'shills' are simply people with a different opinion.
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Good video. . . .Thanks!applause2
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.
Galileo Galilei, Italian astronomer & physicist (1564 - 1642)

The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional . . . George B
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Most 'paid debunkers' or 'shills' are simply people with a different opinion.
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Different opinions . . . Yes . . . But how aggressive is the question . . .some are extremely aggressive. . . .coffee4
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.
Galileo Galilei, Italian astronomer & physicist (1564 - 1642)

The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional . . . George B
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Even the pentagon admits they have them, it's about thought control. Not the tin foil hat kind of of thought control. But controlling the propaganda that people latch on to.



here's a nice link. [link to blogs.discovermagazine.com]
I'm only human, it's my biggest flaw.

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Even the pentagon admits they have them, it's about thought control. Not the tin foil hat kind of of thought control. But controlling the propaganda that people latch on to.



here's a nice link. [link to blogs.discovermagazine.com]
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Thanks greatly for the info and link. . . ohyeah
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.
Galileo Galilei, Italian astronomer & physicist (1564 - 1642)

The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional . . . George B
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Almost all of the above.

Why? Because dishonesty is the norm today not the exception.

Proof? Obvious examples would be undercover cops, FBI, CIA, Military ext. But its worse than that. Look who we elected as President of the United States of America. Barrak Hussein Obama's own political ads in 2008 touted his experience as a "community organizer". More than 50% of the voters elected a person who studied and taught Saul Alinsky's rules for radicals to ACORN (a completely corrupt paid political organization) for the express purpose of overwhelming the system to bring it down and get what they wanted.

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"God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed... If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty... Let them take arms... What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. " - Thomas Jefferson in 1787
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The NSA's Orwellian 'Perfect Citizen' program
The feds are planning to monitor internet traffic at select government agencies and private businesses. Are we heading into "Big Brother" territory?

posted on July 12, 2010, at 11:29 AM

The government's new 'Perfect Citizen' initative: Creepy? Photo: Corbis
Best Opinion: Gizmodo, Cato, Atlantic

The federal government is launching a wide-reaching cyber-security initiative that will monitor the internet for attacks on government agencies and private firms, like utilities companies, deemed crucial to national security. Cyber attacks are a very real concern, but the program, dubbed "Perfect Citizen," will be run by the super-secretive National Security Agency and the contractor setting up the program, Raytheon, said in a leaked email: "Perfect Citizen is Big Brother." Is this a good idea?

Better cyber security helps us all: "Perfect Citizen" sounds "damn scary," says Casey Chan in Gizmodo, but the truth is that many of the aging computer systems we all rely on "could maybe use a big brother." And if it helps other U.S. companies, like Google, avoid costly security breaches, this could even be considered "charitable by our government" — as long as the feds don't "extend a peek into unimportant ol' me," of course.
"'Perfect Citizen'... will protect companies by monitoring them"

[link to theweek.com]

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Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.
Galileo Galilei, Italian astronomer & physicist (1564 - 1642)

The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional . . . George B
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Most are not paid . . . They are jerks on ego trips, harassing people for fun 100.0%


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I think that is most of them. . . But do you think there are some professionals? . . . coffee4
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Ofcause there is, some of our messages and words/blogs/threads will simply not show up on other peoples screens, though we can read it our self, then someone (hired) will simply "give you a carrot" a message or a reply just to make us feel that people acctualy had a chance to read it.
There are manny methods, one is allso to give different headlines to different users, manny people simply just talk to hired people and acctually think they are spreading their discovery/idea etc. and is infact not talking to the public at all
lol
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Almost all of the above.

Why? Because dishonesty is the norm today not the exception.

Proof? Obvious examples would be undercover cops, FBI, CIA, Military ext. But its worse than that. Look who we elected as President of the United States of America. Barrak Hussein Obama's own political ads in 2008 touted his experience as a "community organizer". More than 50% of the voters elected a person who studied and taught Saul Alinsky's rules for radicals to ACORN (a completely corrupt paid political organization) for the express purpose of overwhelming the system to bring it down and get what they wanted.
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Interesting thoughts. . . Do you have any specifics you can share on Internet activities. . . ?coffee4
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.
Galileo Galilei, Italian astronomer & physicist (1564 - 1642)

The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional . . . George B
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Most are not paid . . . They are jerks on ego trips, harassing people for fun 100.0%


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I think that is most of them. . . But do you think there are some professionals? . . . coffee4
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Ofcause there is, some of our messages and words/blogs/threads will simply not show up on other peoples screens, though we can read it our self, then someone (hired) will simply "give you a carrot" a message or a reply just to make us feel that people acctualy had a chance to read it.
There are manny methods, one is allso to give different headlines to different users, manny people simply just talk to hired people and acctually think they are spreading their discovery/idea etc. and is infact not talking to the public at all
lol
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Hmmmmmm? Do you have any evidence of this process. . . Sounds fascinating. . . Technically how would that work?
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.
Galileo Galilei, Italian astronomer & physicist (1564 - 1642)

The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional . . . George B
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I have seen many MSM article about paid government internet dis-information agents. If they are real they are on GLP it is plane and simple. Why would GLP miss out on the government dis-information?
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I have seen many MSM article about paid government internet dis-information agents. If they are real they are on GLP it is plane and simple. Why would GLP miss out on the government dis-information?
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It would seem logical. . . . But what is their purpose? . . verycool
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.
Galileo Galilei, Italian astronomer & physicist (1564 - 1642)

The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional . . . George B
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Most are not paid . . . They are jerks on ego trips, harassing people for fun 100.0%


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I think that is most of them. . . But do you think there are some professionals? . . . coffee4
 Quoting: George B


Ofcause there is, some of our messages and words/blogs/threads will simply not show up on other peoples screens, though we can read it our self, then someone (hired) will simply "give you a carrot" a message or a reply just to make us feel that people acctualy had a chance to read it.
There are manny methods, one is allso to give different headlines to different users, manny people simply just talk to hired people and acctually think they are spreading their discovery/idea etc. and is infact not talking to the public at all
lol
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Hmmmmmm? Do you have any evidence of this process. . . Sounds fascinating. . . Technically how would that work?
 Quoting: George B

Ask a website developer etc.
Its easily doable
If you do it here you will not get any reply on that matter you can use, and if you do then im impressed, really really impressed.
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hellooooo


the site is run and owned by one
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I don't care if its run by 100 counter Intel employees, then i demand they talk to me still, or at least acknowledges that i do my best to broaden peoples perspective for the greater good, I do care
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See i did it again
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Almost all of the above.

Why? Because dishonesty is the norm today not the exception.

Proof? Obvious examples would be undercover cops, FBI, CIA, Military ext. But its worse than that. Look who we elected as President of the United States of America. Barrak Hussein Obama's own political ads in 2008 touted his experience as a "community organizer". More than 50% of the voters elected a person who studied and taught Saul Alinsky's rules for radicals to ACORN (a completely corrupt paid political organization) for the express purpose of overwhelming the system to bring it down and get what they wanted.
 Quoting: Resister


Interesting thoughts. . . Do you have any specifics you can share on Internet activities. . . ?coffee4
 Quoting: George B


Well, examples of undercover cops (local and federal) using the internet posing as drug buyers or teenagers looking for trouble with an adult make the nightly news with regularity now-a-days. ACORN and the SEIU pay people to go out and get people registered to vote and to buss groups of union thugs out to counter protest local citizens in areas where they do not live. It’s no stretch to imagine that those same people taking to the internet.

Obama is their leader.


They do waht they are paid to do.


This is more than volunteering. This is an organized buss ride to somewhere you don't live. Someone's paying for this to happen.


"God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed... If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty... Let them take arms... What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. " - Thomas Jefferson in 1787
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hellooooo


the site is run and owned by one
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grinning
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.
Galileo Galilei, Italian astronomer & physicist (1564 - 1642)

The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional . . . George B
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Almost all of the above.

Why? Because dishonesty is the norm today not the exception.

Proof? Obvious examples would be undercover cops, FBI, CIA, Military ext. But its worse than that. Look who we elected as President of the United States of America. Barrak Hussein Obama's own political ads in 2008 touted his experience as a "community organizer". More than 50% of the voters elected a person who studied and taught Saul Alinsky's rules for radicals to ACORN (a completely corrupt paid political organization) for the express purpose of overwhelming the system to bring it down and get what they wanted.
 Quoting: Resister


Interesting thoughts. . . Do you have any specifics you can share on Internet activities. . . ?coffee4
 Quoting: George B


Well, examples of undercover cops (local and federal) using the internet posing as drug buyers or teenagers looking for trouble with an adult make the nightly news with regularity now-a-days. ACORN and the SEIU pay people to go out and get people registered to vote and to buss groups of union thugs out to counter protest local citizens in areas where they do not live. It’s no stretch to imagine that those same people taking to the internet.

Obama is their leader.



They do waht they are paid to do.


This is more than volunteering. This is an organized buss ride to somewhere you don't live. Someone's paying for this to happen.


 Quoting: Resister


good thoughts . . . coffee4
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.
Galileo Galilei, Italian astronomer & physicist (1564 - 1642)

The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional . . . George B
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applause2
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All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.
Galileo Galilei, Italian astronomer & physicist (1564 - 1642)

The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional . . . George B
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hellooooo


the site is run and owned by one
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I don't care if its run by 100 counter Intel employees, then i demand they talk to me still, or at least acknowledges that i do my best to broaden peoples perspective for the greater good, I do care
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I don't mind caring. . . .I do mind aggressive, demeaning, condescending behavior. . . In saying that I do not imply you are doing that. . . . peace
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.
Galileo Galilei, Italian astronomer & physicist (1564 - 1642)

The only thing guaranteed in life is deception. . . everything else is optional . . . George B
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I'm sure there are paid debunkers out there, but most of those accused of being shills on this forum are just people who state boring inconvenient facts when most members would rather believe in conspiracies, space aliens, etc.

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