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Paid Debunkers and Shills . . Do they exist. . . if so . . .WHY?

 
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I'm sure there are paid debunkers out there, but most of those accused of being shills on this forum are just people who state boring inconvenient facts when most members would rather believe in conspiracies, space aliens, etc.
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Public relations is a huge industry, of course there are shills.
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Most shills are not paid, nor are they aware that they carry a viral meme to infect others.

Of those who are paid, the purpose is to spread the meme to carrier who can further infect. And the purpose of the meme is to control and frame the dialogue surrounding any particular subject.

The paid shills (head) are easy to detect and expose for their agenda. The unpaid shills (body) spread the viral meme through ignorance and emotion--they make up the majority of shilldom.
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Those who do not realize there is an information WAR going on inside of the World Wide Web have their heads deep in the sand.

It is easy to control the information that is presented to us on the television set. The majority of people here know that the media is corrupt and withhold as well as distort much of the information that is distributed.

Here on an open forum however that is not the case. Ideas can be presented that cannot be controlled by the media which means there has to be a counter argument and a strong one when someone here or on another site might come a little too close to the truth.

I'm not saying there isn't legit people who have a differing opinion. Of course there are. Which makes it difficult to determine who is an actual shill and who isn't. They have covertness and anonymity in their favor.

But we know they exist, and the reasons may vary for their being here. But if you still haven't awaken and realized there is indeed a real information war going on then you should probably go back to sleep and enjoy your major media outlets and your jersey shore...

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Most shills are not paid, nor are they aware that they carry a viral meme to infect others.

Of those who are paid, the purpose is to spread the meme to carrier who can further infect. And the purpose of the meme is to control and frame the dialogue surrounding any particular subject.

The paid shills (head) are easy to detect and expose for their agenda. The unpaid shills (body) spread the viral meme through ignorance and emotion--they make up the majority of shilldom.
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Those who do not realize there is an information WAR going on inside of the World Wide Web have their heads deep in the sand.

It is easy to control the information that is presented to us on the television set. The majority of people here know that the media is corrupt and withhold as well as distort much of the information that is distributed.

Here on an open forum however that is not the case. Ideas can be presented that cannot be controlled by the media which means there has to be a counter argument and a strong one when someone here or on another site might come a little too close to the truth.

I'm not saying there isn't legit people who have a differing opinion. Of course there are. Which makes it difficult to determine who is an actual shill and who isn't. They have covertness and anonymity in their favor.

But we know they exist, and the reasons may vary for their being here. But if you still haven't awaken and realized there is indeed a real information war going on then you should probably go back to sleep and enjoy your major media outlets and your jersey shore...
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Good thesis on trying to direct uncontrolled information exchange. . . I really liked that!!!! . . . applause2
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Most shills are not paid, nor are they aware that they carry a viral meme to infect others.

Of those who are paid, the purpose is to spread the meme to carrier who can further infect. And the purpose of the meme is to control and frame the dialogue surrounding any particular subject.

The paid shills (head) are easy to detect and expose for their agenda. The unpaid shills (body) spread the viral meme through ignorance and emotion--they make up the majority of shilldom.
 Quoting: SecondPrecession


Please give me the rules on how you ID a paid shill? . . . verycool
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Public relations is a huge industry, of course there are shills.
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Is that where most paid shills come from? . . .ohno
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.
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Now the why...


This is a military operation that IS needed we know for a fact other countries are doing it TO US. psychological warfare is alive and well.





Trin sumed it up very well.

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Now the why...


This is a military operation that IS needed we know for a fact other countries are doing it TO US. psychological warfare is alive and well.





Trin sumed it up very well.

[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]
 Quoting: Chrit


Good stuff. . . .I was basically told the same thing when Etheopia had their Socialist Coup In the late 1970s. . . I spent some time with the US military attaché to Etheopia . . . He said the Socialists took over the radio stations first but when they got the print media it was over. . . In a land of little literacy the written word was like the Holy Bible to the people, even if they could not read it. . . goodnews
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.
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APRIL 11, 2011

COINTELPRO Techniques for dilution, misdirection and control of an internet forum

[link to www.picassodreams.com]
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.
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APRIL 11, 2011

COINTELPRO Techniques for dilution, misdirection and control of an internet forum

[link to www.picassodreams.com]
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Its like, two guys sitting calmly at a table and playing chess and drinking tea, then some one opens a gate and about 50 geeze flyes in and around the table in a circle making the lalalalalala
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APRIL 11, 2011

COINTELPRO Techniques for dilution, misdirection and control of an internet forum

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 Quoting: George B


Its like, two guys sitting calmly at a table and playing chess and drinking tea, then some one opens a gate and about 50 geeze flyes in and around the table in a circle making the lalalalalala
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6281119


Then the two guys starts to talk about wtf happened and one of them says its your fault, you had bread crums in your pocket, then the other guy quickly throws the left over bread away, and then what says the other guy, now i have no more bread crumbs left, then the other guy says - You just made the 50 geez call in their family and freinds, fuck this game im going to play some tennis instead with hulk hogan, see you next week, both of them leaves the table and the geeze shits all over the chees board.
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So far only four (4) categories voted for. . . ohno

POLL: Paid Debunkers and Shills . . Do they exist. . . if so . . .WHY?

12) More than one of the above. . .    53.8% (21)

1) Most are not paid . . . They are jerks on ego trips, harassing people for fun    30.8% (12)

3) Are paid to keep controversy going and increase readership and participation on forums and blogs    7.7% (3)

5) Are government Shills used to ID possible security threats    5.1% (2)

11) Are institutionalized people, prison, mental wards, home custody that are staying occupied. . .    2.6% (1)






2) Are Covert researchers from marketing, image management, and legal firms on fringe populations. . .    0% (0)
4) Are used to identify and manage troublemakers that could cause legal problems for the forum   0% (0)
6) Are entertainment shills researching reaction to new plots & concepts or steal new concepts   0% (0)
7) Are government shills used to pose trial balloons or straw men for research purposes    0% (0)
8) Are government shills used to incite anti-government sentiment. . .    0% (0)
9) Are government shills used to ID new information about, technology, science, etc. to exploit it. . .     0% (0)
10) Are government shills used to locate missing and/fugitive people   0% (0)
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[link to en.wikipedia.org]

"The Information Awareness Office (IAO) was established by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) in January 2002 to bring together several DARPA projects focused on applying surveillance and information technology to track and monitor terrorists and other asymmetric threats to national security, by achieving Total Information Awareness (TIA). This would be achieved by creating enormous computer databases to gather and store the personal information of everyone in the United States, including personal e-mails, social networks, credit card records, phone calls, medical records, and numerous other sources, without any requirement for a search warrant.[1] This information would then be analyzed to look for suspicious activities, connections between individuals, and "threats".[2] Additionally, the program included funding for biometric surveillance technologies that could identify and track individuals using surveillance cameras, and other methods.[2]
Following public criticism that the development and deployment of these technologies could potentially lead to a mass surveillance system, the IAO was defunded by Congress in 2003. However, several IAO projects continued to be funded, and merely run under different names.[3][4][5][6]"
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

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Internet censorship in the People's Republic of China

"The escalation of the government's effort to neutralize critical online opinion comes after a series of large anti-Japanese, anti-pollution, anti-corruption protests, and ethnic riots, many of which were organized or publicized using instant messaging services, chat rooms, and text messages. The size of the Internet police is rumored at more than 30,000.[6] Critical comments appearing on Internet forums, blogs, and major portals such as Sohu and Sina usually are erased within minutes."
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Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

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Internet censorship in the People's Republic of China

"The escalation of the government's effort to neutralize critical online opinion comes after a series of large anti-Japanese, anti-pollution, anti-corruption protests, and ethnic riots, many of which were organized or publicized using instant messaging services, chat rooms, and text messages. The size of the Internet police is rumored at more than 30,000.[6] Critical comments appearing on Internet forums, blogs, and major portals such as Sohu and Sina usually are erased within minutes."
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Don't worry China dosent sensor the prisoners who they use as trolls and shills. They don't have to pay them either!


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Internet censorship in the People's Republic of China

"The escalation of the government's effort to neutralize critical online opinion comes after a series of large anti-Japanese, anti-pollution, anti-corruption protests, and ethnic riots, many of which were organized or publicized using instant messaging services, chat rooms, and text messages. The size of the Internet police is rumored at more than 30,000.[6] Critical comments appearing on Internet forums, blogs, and major portals such as Sohu and Sina usually are erased within minutes."
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Don't worry China dosent sensor the prisoners who they use as trolls and shills. They don't have to pay them either!


coffee4
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Do you think the ones in the rest of the world would work for rice?
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Most shills are not paid, nor are they aware that they carry a viral meme to infect others.

Of those who are paid, the purpose is to spread the meme to carrier who can further infect. And the purpose of the meme is to control and frame the dialogue surrounding any particular subject.

The paid shills (head) are easy to detect and expose for their agenda. The unpaid shills (body) spread the viral meme through ignorance and emotion--they make up the majority of shilldom.
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THANKS for your VOTES!!!! .. . .dasbier



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12) More than one of the above. . .    54.8% (23)

1) Most are not paid . . . They are jerks on ego trips, harassing people for fun    31.0% (13)

3) Are paid to keep controversy going and increase readership and participation on forums and blogs    7.1% (3)

5) Are government Shills used to ID possible security threats    4.8% (2)

11) Are institutionalized people, prison, mental wards, home custody that are staying occupied. . .    2.4% (1)

2) Are Covert researchers from marketing, image management, and legal firms on fringe populations. . .    0% (0)

4) Are used to identify and manage troublemakers that could cause legal problems for the forum   0% (0)

6) Are entertainment shills researching reaction to new plots & concepts or steal new concepts   0% (0)

7) Are government shills used to pose trial balloons or straw men for research purposes    0% (0)

8) Are government shills used to incite anti-government sentiment. . .    0% (0)

9) Are government shills used to ID new information about, technology, science, etc. to exploit it. . .     0% (0)

10) Are government shills used to locate missing and/fugitive people   0% (0)

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Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

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You Got Trolled
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Another thing to always remember...
Polling is trolling.
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You want to meet some shills?

Just frequent the Chemtrail threads.

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Government shills are used to try to make you believe government lies.
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Government shills are used to try to make you believe government lies.
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They don't?????????????????????????????? . . . ohno
Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

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Interesting video about YouTube Shills. . .


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All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.
Galileo Galilei, Italian astronomer & physicist (1564 - 1642)

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Troll Video. . . .1rof1



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When I got to GLP two years ago I had not participated in or viewed a forum . . . So after a few experiences with some Shills I made this graphic to post when I saw people attacked . . . coffee4


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Martin Luther King . . . Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter!

All truths are easy to understand once they are discovered; the point is to discover them.
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When I got to GLP two years ago I had not participated in or viewed a forum . . . So after a few experiences with some Shills I made this graphic to post when I saw people attacked . . . coffee4


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