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AC156099 User ID: 156099 United States 12/02/2011 08:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: No Wonder America’s Founders Distrusted Standing Armies and PLEASE Comment With OPEN and FAIR discussion ! For the most part, the sentiments of our founders ring hollow to Quoting: AdHocBOHICA modern Americans who, ever since World War II, have glorified, idolized, and practically even worshipped the standing US military. I think the bromanced near-deification of our military is far more recent than WWII. It as a post-9/11 cretion. Anyway, great post. Five starts for you. |
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AdHocBOHICA (OP) User ID: 1530155 United States 12/02/2011 08:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: No Wonder America’s Founders Distrusted Standing Armies and PLEASE Comment With OPEN and FAIR discussion ! For the most part, the sentiments of our founders ring hollow to Quoting: AdHocBOHICA modern Americans who, ever since World War II, have glorified, idolized, and practically even worshipped the standing US military. I think the bromanced near-deification of our military is far more recent than WWII. It as a post-9/11 cretion. Anyway, great post. Five starts for you. Well I must say thank's, however the thanks goes to those more diligent and smarter than myself. I am and have been concerned for nigh' 30 year's. Frustrating at the best. “Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity.” ~Seneca PS: I Stole this from another member.... ;) |
devorahg User ID: 1332526 United States 12/02/2011 08:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: No Wonder America’s Founders Distrusted Standing Armies and PLEASE Comment With OPEN and FAIR discussion ! For the most part, the sentiments of our founders ring hollow to Quoting: AdHocBOHICA modern Americans who, ever since World War II, have glorified, idolized, and practically even worshipped the standing US military. I think the bromanced near-deification of our military is far more recent than WWII. It as a post-9/11 cretion. Anyway, great post. Five starts for you. A post 9/11? Are you out of your mind? Only after Nam, and very few, considering, have said negative things about our troop/veterans. Near deification of the men and women, like my Dad and many others I have known. Hell to the yes. |
Honest Joe User ID: 1491988 United States 12/02/2011 08:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: No Wonder America’s Founders Distrusted Standing Armies and PLEASE Comment With OPEN and FAIR discussion ! In the words of Eisenhower the military industrial complex needs to be kept in check. An army can be very useful, but can also be very destructive depending and of course.. almost no need to say it.. but MONEY is the root of all EVIL MONEY + MILITARY = Very very very bad.. |
AdHocBOHICA (OP) User ID: 1530155 United States 12/02/2011 08:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: No Wonder America’s Founders Distrusted Standing Armies and PLEASE Comment With OPEN and FAIR discussion ! I understand what your saying. What would you suggest instead? I am one of those who support our troops. Always have and I can't imagine ever stopping. Quoting: devorahg I really have no suggestion(s). I am prior service......I would say to evaluate your own heart and integrity WITH total honesty as far as the result. It is all I can offer. Be Up Right in all you endeavor. “Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity.” ~Seneca PS: I Stole this from another member.... ;) |
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AdHocBOHICA (OP) User ID: 1530155 United States 12/02/2011 08:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: No Wonder America’s Founders Distrusted Standing Armies and PLEASE Comment With OPEN and FAIR discussion ! We wouldn't be having this discussion if it weren't for the heroic men and women of our military. And if it weren't for them you'd be speaking Arabic. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1437365 I agree much more than you can Imagine, Words cannot express. “Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity.” ~Seneca PS: I Stole this from another member.... ;) |
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AdHocBOHICA (OP) User ID: 1530155 United States 12/02/2011 08:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: No Wonder America’s Founders Distrusted Standing Armies and PLEASE Comment With OPEN and FAIR discussion ! I think we are all going to be frustrated in searching for true justice in this world. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3579277 This world is run by men. They are flawed and venal. Balance..............in all things “Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity.” ~Seneca PS: I Stole this from another member.... ;) |
devorahg User ID: 1332526 United States 12/02/2011 08:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: No Wonder America’s Founders Distrusted Standing Armies and PLEASE Comment With OPEN and FAIR discussion ! I understand what your saying. What would you suggest instead? I am one of those who support our troops. Always have and I can't imagine ever stopping. Quoting: devorahg I really have no suggestion(s). I am prior service......I would say to evaluate your own heart and integrity WITH total honesty as far as the result. It is all I can offer. Be Up Right in all you endeavor. Thank you for your kind reply. Prior service for me also. If you noticed I never said the military. I think of them as individual men and women. Naive of me I know but I prefer it that way for many reasons. #1 being my Dad who spent 36 months as a POW in Korea. |
AdHocBOHICA (OP) User ID: 1530155 United States 12/02/2011 09:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: No Wonder America’s Founders Distrusted Standing Armies and PLEASE Comment With OPEN and FAIR discussion ! I understand what your saying. What would you suggest instead? I am one of those who support our troops. Always have and I can't imagine ever stopping. Quoting: devorahg I really have no suggestion(s). I am prior service......I would say to evaluate your own heart and integrity WITH total honesty as far as the result. It is all I can offer. Be Up Right in all you endeavor. Thank you for your kind reply. Prior service for me also. If you noticed I never said the military. I think of them as individual men and women. Naive of me I know but I prefer it that way for many reasons. #1 being my Dad who spent 36 months as a POW in Korea. My Father was an actual combat Veteran Sir. Thank you for your Service to our nation and People. Sincerely, Thank You. “Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity.” ~Seneca PS: I Stole this from another member.... ;) |
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devorahg User ID: 1332526 United States 12/02/2011 09:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: No Wonder America’s Founders Distrusted Standing Armies and PLEASE Comment With OPEN and FAIR discussion ! I understand what your saying. What would you suggest instead? I am one of those who support our troops. Always have and I can't imagine ever stopping. Quoting: devorahg I really have no suggestion(s). I am prior service......I would say to evaluate your own heart and integrity WITH total honesty as far as the result. It is all I can offer. Be Up Right in all you endeavor. Thank you for your kind reply. Prior service for me also. If you noticed I never said the military. I think of them as individual men and women. Naive of me I know but I prefer it that way for many reasons. #1 being my Dad who spent 36 months as a POW in Korea. My Father was an actual combat Veteran Sir. Thank you for your Service to our nation and People. Sincerely, Thank You. Lol I'm a female. |
AdHocBOHICA (OP) User ID: 1530155 United States 12/02/2011 09:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: No Wonder America’s Founders Distrusted Standing Armies and PLEASE Comment With OPEN and FAIR discussion ! ... Quoting: AdHocBOHICA I really have no suggestion(s). I am prior service......I would say to evaluate your own heart and integrity WITH total honesty as far as the result. It is all I can offer. Be Up Right in all you endeavor. Thank you for your kind reply. Prior service for me also. If you noticed I never said the military. I think of them as individual men and women. Naive of me I know but I prefer it that way for many reasons. #1 being my Dad who spent 36 months as a POW in Korea. My Father was an actual combat Veteran Sir. Thank you for your Service to our nation and People. Sincerely, Thank You. Lol I'm a female. Uh Oh.........I stepped on something due to Pain I try to avoid stepping on, may bad as well as my apologies. “Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity.” ~Seneca PS: I Stole this from another member.... ;) |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 4594667 United States 12/02/2011 09:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: No Wonder America’s Founders Distrusted Standing Armies and PLEASE Comment With OPEN and FAIR discussion ! I understand what your saying. What would you suggest instead? I am one of those who support our troops. Always have and I can't imagine ever stopping. Quoting: devorahg See: Really only a Draft/Conscription is honest support. Otherwise, the body politic (you and I) have no vested interest what happens. Understand? They knew this all along. This is ancient history, at least as ancient as the Roman Legions. Unless there is chance your kid can come home in a box, then you really aren't going to give shit, and this is what has happened. This is how and why the politics has become a circus all by itself. See, they aren't even running the show any longer. Hell no, we have moved in to the central bank and warfare model. Isn't it curious how after the great turmoil of the Vietnam War on the homefront, the next real push was for an all volunteer army. The shills went out and sold it, the brainwashing of the volunteers that they are better than the citizens, and here too is real and serious danger. When every member of the society (in this cas the US) has a child that could be put in harms way, then the public demands accountability. We don't have that. So saying we support our troops is empty and meaningless in all reality in my opinion. When every member of the society (in this cas the US) has a child that could be put in harms way, then the public demands accountability. We don't have that. we need to see that whenever a civilization begins to rely upon volunteers and mercenary armies it is the hall mark of collapse of that civilization. |
AdHocBOHICA (OP) User ID: 1530155 United States 12/02/2011 09:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: No Wonder America’s Founders Distrusted Standing Armies and PLEASE Comment With OPEN and FAIR discussion ! I understand what your saying. What would you suggest instead? I am one of those who support our troops. Always have and I can't imagine ever stopping. Quoting: devorahg See: Really only a Draft/Conscription is honest support. Otherwise, the body politic (you and I) have no vested interest what happens. Understand? They knew this all along. This is ancient history, at least as ancient as the Roman Legions. Unless there is chance your kid can come home in a box, then you really aren't going to give shit, and this is what has happened. This is how and why the politics has become a circus all by itself. See, they aren't even running the show any longer. Hell no, we have moved in to the central bank and warfare model. Isn't it curious how after the great turmoil of the Vietnam War on the homefront, the next real push was for an all volunteer army. The shills went out and sold it, the brainwashing of the volunteers that they are better than the citizens, and here too is real and serious danger. When every member of the society (in this cas the US) has a child that could be put in harms way, then the public demands accountability. We don't have that. So saying we support our troops is empty and meaningless in all reality in my opinion. When every member of the society (in this cas the US) has a child that could be put in harms way, then the public demands accountability. We don't have that. we need to see that whenever a civilization begins to rely upon volunteers and mercenary armies it is the hall mark of collapse of that civilization. And it get's even more Macabre the deeper we get. I understand but this more than most can even chew muc less digest......This can be toxic. “Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity.” ~Seneca PS: I Stole this from another member.... ;) |
anon 121214 User ID: 2834042 United States 12/02/2011 09:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: No Wonder America’s Founders Distrusted Standing Armies and PLEASE Comment With OPEN and FAIR discussion ! I understand what your saying. What would you suggest instead? I am one of those who support our troops. Always have and I can't imagine ever stopping. Quoting: devorahg stop using our young men and women to serve the MIC. Are you really that dumb to what is going on. Gee no wonder we are in the mess we are in. bankers taking over, the people forced to pay, and now the US declared a battlefield which is saying we are at war with us |
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AdHocBOHICA (OP) User ID: 1530155 United States 12/02/2011 09:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: No Wonder America’s Founders Distrusted Standing Armies and PLEASE Comment With OPEN and FAIR discussion ! A citizen militia modeled on teh Swiss system is much closer to what the founders could envision than this banker Hessian armed military. How's that? Spot ON! and I am very familiar with the model you speak. “Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity.” ~Seneca PS: I Stole this from another member.... ;) |
AdHocBOHICA (OP) User ID: 1530155 United States 12/02/2011 09:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: No Wonder America’s Founders Distrusted Standing Armies and PLEASE Comment With OPEN and FAIR discussion ! A citizen militia modeled on teh Swiss system is much closer to what the founders could envision than this banker Hessian armed military. How's that? Spot ON! and I am very familiar with the model you speak. There is a problem......Personal Responsibility must be addressed. “Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity.” ~Seneca PS: I Stole this from another member.... ;) |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 4594667 United States 12/02/2011 09:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: No Wonder America’s Founders Distrusted Standing Armies and PLEASE Comment With OPEN and FAIR discussion ! A citizen militia modeled on teh Swiss system is much closer to what the founders could envision than this banker Hessian armed military. How's that? Spot ON! and I am very familiar with the model you speak. Yes, this is the intent of the thinking behind the foundations of the Republic. See: It is essentially treason to advocate any other system such as an "All" volunteer army because it removes the sword from the hands of the people. We need only return to the original prestine document to see the wisdom. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1371185 United States 12/02/2011 09:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: No Wonder America’s Founders Distrusted Standing Armies and PLEASE Comment With OPEN and FAIR discussion ! We wouldn't be having this discussion if it weren't for the heroic men and women of our military. And if it weren't for them you'd be speaking Arabic. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1437365 Really? How would the Arabs get here? In their paddle boats? No country could ever take the U.S. from the outside.. that's why we are being destroyed from the inside.. |
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AdHocBOHICA (OP) User ID: 1530155 United States 12/02/2011 09:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: No Wonder America’s Founders Distrusted Standing Armies and PLEASE Comment With OPEN and FAIR discussion ! A citizen militia modeled on teh Swiss system is much closer to what the founders could envision than this banker Hessian armed military. How's that? Spot ON! and I am very familiar with the model you speak. THIS^^^^^^^^^^^ I have seen this and MORE, think people......THINK! “Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity.” ~Seneca PS: I Stole this from another member.... ;) |
Borday User ID: 2913157 United States 12/02/2011 09:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: No Wonder America’s Founders Distrusted Standing Armies and PLEASE Comment With OPEN and FAIR discussion ! The founders anticipated a time of peace where the army would not have to be large. we seem to be on a war footing since WWII. In today's day and age I wouldn't see it as unreasonable that everyone should have to do 2 years in the guard. men ready and trained, and a small force to maintain equipment. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 5143280 United States 12/02/2011 09:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: No Wonder America’s Founders Distrusted Standing Armies and PLEASE Comment With OPEN and FAIR discussion ! As a member of the military I want to make a few comments that I have noticed about the service. Firstly as a Jeffersonian Republican I have found far far far more people in the military of a like mindset than people in the general populace. Granted I believe that there are a lot of your general neo-con America fuck yeah types and a smattering of liberals but it has been my privilege to have served with many patriotic Americans who believe in our republic and actually remember we are a republic and not a democracy. You are right that a standing army is a danger especially because of its step up with a chain of command its hard to act individually in the defense of liberty if the high command isnt on board. But I wont comment on the possible actions of our military in a constitutional crisis I will just comment that the caliber of people who support the constitution over blind obedience is quite high within our armed forces. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 4594667 United States 12/02/2011 09:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: No Wonder America’s Founders Distrusted Standing Armies and PLEASE Comment With OPEN and FAIR discussion ! We wouldn't be having this discussion if it weren't for the heroic men and women of our military. And if it weren't for them you'd be speaking Arabic. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1437365 Really? How would the Arabs get here? In their paddle boats? No country could ever take the U.S. from the outside.. that's why we are being destroyed from the inside.. No, you would be speaking German or Japanese. Also defeated by our Conscripted soldiers as much as by our volunteer soldiers. I do not understand you being offended at all. Again, revist the comments. It is essential that for a nation to remain a republic, it must have a citizen army. Not a volunteer army supplemented with mercenary troops like the British used against us in the Revolutionary War. |
AdHocBOHICA (OP) User ID: 1530155 United States 12/02/2011 09:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: No Wonder America’s Founders Distrusted Standing Armies and PLEASE Comment With OPEN and FAIR discussion ! The founders anticipated a time of peace where the army would not have to be large. we seem to be on a war footing since WWII. Quoting: Borday In today's day and age I wouldn't see it as unreasonable that everyone should have to do 2 years in the guard. men ready and trained, and a small force to maintain equipment. No argument from my quarter, the lack of free thinking based upon critical thinking is absolutely working against freedom and personal liberty...........not necessarily in that order. “Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity.” ~Seneca PS: I Stole this from another member.... ;) |