AMERICA MYSTERY BABYLON DISCUSSION

Wouldn't this describe Washington DC has the great city who oversees many great cities and even nations?

Nothing "cool" about blaspheming the Lord Jesus Christ.

Strong delusions and veils of darkness everywhere, and pointing it out is now called an "attack".

I'm outta here........

My host is my Lord whom I honor. The light my path and the truth my way. No blasphemy here.

Why do you judge others who think or have different views than you? Didn't the Bible teach you about all that or did you coveniently skip over those Biblical teachings?

Let me refresh your bigoted Christian mind then:

Luke 6:37 "Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.

Luke 6:41 "Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?

John 8:7 When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her.

"Romans 2:1 You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge the other, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things.

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The answer KT to your New Jerusalem being Washington Dc.
On that day his feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, east of Jerusalem, and the Mount of Olives will be split in two from east to west, forming a great valley, with half of the mountain moving north and ohalf moving south . Zechariah 14:4


On that day life-giving waters will flow out from Jerusalem, half toward the Dead Sea and half toward the Mediterranean, flowing continuously in both summer and winter. Zechariah 14:8 Not in Washington but where the dead sea and mediterranean are.
The LORD will be king over the whole earth. On that day there will be one LORD, and his name the only name. Zechariah 14:9
Then the survivors from all the nations that have attacked Jerusalem will go up year after year to worship the King, the LORD Almighty, and to celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles Zechariah 14:16

God is coming to establish his kingdom not in Washington but exactly where it says in Zechariah 14:18

Revelations 21.1 describes a new heaven and a new earth because the old one had been done away with and remade over. God will rule just like he said in Zechariah 14:4 on his holy mountain Zion, Not Washington, the vatican, eu or any other place.

you need to read all the threads, It is in reference to Mystery Babylon, which is not a good thing.

Kt , Well for one thing you seem to be creating a controversy with some others that I talk to which is in itself a type of derailment. Even when I am on some one other's thread if I seem to be going against the flow of the creator of the thread, I kindly create another thread so that there threads are not derailed or discussion slowed. I constantly do this and am well known for it out of respect to all thread owner/creators, this is how this thread got started in the first place.

this is the first time that I have talked to you ever, but in the same sentence I do enjoy talking to lisa and that kind of got derailed, see my point, this is all I am saying. You will not have to defend yourself against me, If I dont agree with you, then we will just agree to disagree.

OK, but you fail to realize that we have had a replacement for mighty long time now and the New Testament supersedes ANYTHING written in the Old. Tis a NT fact based on the Julian calendar and the fact that this is A.D. and not B.C. times we are speaking of.

If you are quoting me or using the Old Testament to debate me, you lost by default and this is the same mistake everyone makes. The NT is the ONLY book that is in charge of this age and prophecy. Hence, it don't matter what Zechariah 14:18 says.

This again is fact based on that my family wrote both the Old and New Testaments and this age which started with Julius Caesar's only begotten son, Augustus and the New universal Catholic Church with our New Book, Calendar,m government and system to go along with it. NOTHING has changed since then, but just time bro.

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Says it all right here:

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That is fair and we can all agree to disagree while still respecting one another. That is all I ask and wish to not be called evil or satan.

Tango, this is what you call a "discussion forum" where people discuss and or debate subjects regardless of who created them and or their views. And since this is an open forum, all threads and posts are open to comment and or debate. It is your choice to start a new thread when you have go against the grain of a thread creator and my choice is to freely speak my mind regardless of what the thread creator says or feels.

What you call a derailment, I simply call a difference of opinions coupled with debatable facts. Hence the whole idea of an online forum.

Well here is where we will agree to disagree. There are still lots of prophetic events that are in the old testament that are referred in the new testament and vice versa. But as I said we will just agree to disagree at this point.

thanks for the link, will check it out.

israel is babylon

OK, but just FYI, as I said, we wrote both the Old and New Testament. The New Testament was the Old Testament incorporated with new laws, new families and a new church and the old stuff was thrown out with the old age B.C. But if you cannot get this simple fact, that is your choice. But as I said, whatever you say while quoting the OT simply does not pertain to this age because you are using the wrong book

This is not a theory Tango but a fact and I can prove it based on this age being A.D., this year being 2011 A.D. and the Julian Calendar system with our New Testament which mans NEW LAWS.

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We will just agree to disagree, whether the old testament is still part of the Word. Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. Mathew 5:17

I told you that parts of the old testament are still to be fullfilled. Isaiah 17:1 — The burden of Damascus. Behold, Damascus is takenaway from being a city, and it shall be a ruinous heap. Assad is still sitting in damascus so this one is still to be fullfilled. We will just agree to disagree.

Amen. The times and seasons can be known, but the exact day or hour can't. The day of the LORD comes as a thief. It comes with sudden destruction. But God has unsealed the prophecies for the last generation in order to warn His elect saints of the coming doom. Proverbs 22:3 says, "A prudent man foreseeth the evil, and hideth himself: but the simple pass on, and are punished." The prudent are those who have dedicated themselves in consecration to the Lord. They are the Bereans of the end time who search the scriptures daily to see what thus saith the LORD. Thus they see the evil that is coming and make preparations! This will be essential for all those who live in Mystery Babylon. God has commanded His people to flee before the destruction comes in 1 hour! No one will escape once the sword comes. That is why believers have to be watching and praying! Totally devoted to the Lord Jesus Christ. Those who do so will be sheltered. Amen.

I don't really see that as a possibility my friend. The 10 kings are in league with the coming beast kingdom. Revelation tells us that the 10 kings give their strength and power unto the beast after they destroy Mystery Babylon. Also, the prophet Daniel tells us that 3 of the 10 kings are put down (destroyed) when the "little horn" aka the antichrist rises.

"23Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces. 24And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings." Daniel 7:23-24

Thus, the 10 kings can't be the lost tribes of Israel because they will never be totally destroyed. And as a matter of fact God says that the whole house of Israel will be restored once Babylon falls. Judah and Israel (the 10 tribes) will seek God when Babylon falls.


"4In those days, and in that time, saith the LORD, the children of Israel shall come, they and the children of Judah together, going and weeping: they shall go, and seek the LORD their God. 5They shall ask the way to Zion with their faces thitherward, saying, Come, and let us join ourselves to the LORD in a perpetual covenant that shall not be forgotten." Jeremiah 50:4-5

I believe God is going to protect Israel my friend. The invasion of Gog and Magog speak about it. Are you familiar with the prophecy contained in Ezekiel 38-39? It has double fulfillment in it, just as the prophecy of Jeremiah 50-51 does.

Mystery Babalon will burn! Not much time left

....DoUwant2go2heaven...Question...? The "battle of Magog" & the "battle of Armegedon"...One & the same...or two seperate battles...? Thank U for joining this thread & I appreciate UR scriptural input...

If you continue on in Jeremiah 51:9 God will tell us that babylon can't be healed, thus she must be forsaken by the people of God. Here are both verses together:

"8Babylon is suddenly fallen and destroyed: howl for her; take balm for her pain, if so be she may be healed.

9We would have healed Babylon, but she is not healed: forsake her, and let us go every one into his own country: for her judgment reacheth unto heaven, and is lifted up even to the skies." Jeremiah 51:8-9


Mystery Babylon must be destroyed before the beast kingdom takes over. The beast kingdom devours the whole earth. The beast kingdom can't do that with a super-power nation still in the picture. That is why the 10 kings destroy mystery Babylon. They carry out the judgment that God has decreed upon her, while at the same time making way for the beast to set up his rule. Mystery Babylon is a launching point for the whole of Revelation. Mystery Babylon is used to set up the last days and is then removed from the scene when it officially starts. The official start of the tribulation period coincides with the fall of Babylon. It is the sudden destruction that comes on all the world like a snare. Amen.

...Interesting discernement...However I can show you scriptural proof positive, that it is the "king of Babylon" who destroys the Magog/muslim league as versed in Esk.38:5-6...& have you noticed there are two "Magog divisions" a nothern & southern contingent...led by Elam/Iran as evidenced in verse 5...Notice ...Iran gets "first call" "top billing" of all the Magog contingent...denoting it's position of "power ,prominence,& importance"...Please read Jer.49:35-39...before responding....

Whats up my friend. From my studies I see the battle of Gog and Magog as being intertwined with the fall of Babylon at the onset of the tribulation period. I believe the battle of Armageddon is separate from that attack and will come approx. 7 years after the invasion of Gog and Magog.

Some of the reasons for my belief that the invasion of Gog and Magog are intertwined with the fall of Babylon is

1. because the only one to come to the aid of Israel in the attack is God. Many nations will know and glorify God on that day because it will be a super-natural defeat. America is no longer present because she was destroyed in 1 hour.

2. "13Sheba, and Dedan, and the merchants of Tarshish, with all the young lions thereof, shall say unto thee, Art thou come to take a spoil? hast thou gathered thy company to take a prey? to carry away silver and gold, to take away cattle and goods, to take a great spoil?" Ezekiel 38:13

Those are other nations who are onlookers of the attack. This can't be Armageddon because God says the whole world will be gathered together to fight against Him when He returns in power and great glory.

"13And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty." Revelation 16:13-14

3. 1/6th of the invading army of Gog is not destroyed. At Armageddon all those who fight against the Lord are destroyed!

"2And I will turn thee back, and leave but the sixth part of thee, and will cause thee to come up from the north parts, and will bring thee upon the mountains of Israel." Ezekiel 39:2


4. "6And I will send a fire on Magog, and among them that dwell carelessly in the isles: and they shall know that I am the LORD." Ezekiel 39:6

Other nations will be destroyed who didn't participate in the invasion and I believe this is part of the first 4 seals of Revelation being broken. 1/4 of the worlds population will be wiped out at the begining of the tribulation. War, disease, and famine will lead to all the deaths that God said would come in Revelation 6. This is all connected with the fall of Babylon and the Magog invasion. Nuclear war will cause the devastation.


5. Israel will know the Lord when it happens.

"7So will I make my holy name known in the midst of my people Israel; and I will not let them pollute my holy name any more: and the heathen shall know that I am the LORD, the Holy One in Israel." Ezekiel 39:7

I believe this is connected with what Jeremiah said about the fall of Babylon. The children of Judah and Israel will join the Lord in a perpetual covenant when they flee from Babylon.

"4In those days, and in that time, saith the LORD, the children of Israel shall come, they and the children of Judah together, going and weeping: they shall go, and seek the LORD their God. 5They shall ask the way to Zion with their faces thitherward, saying, Come, and let us join ourselves to the LORD in a perpetual covenant that shall not be forgotten." Jeremiah 50:4-5


Ezekiel goes on to say that it is when His people are come out of the nations that the invasion of Magog will happen. I believe this is connected with the fall of Babylon.


"25Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Now will I bring again the captivity of Jacob, and have mercy upon the whole house of Israel, and will be jealous for my holy name; 26After that they have borne their shame, and all their trespasses whereby they have trespassed against me, when they dwelt safely in their land, and none made them afraid. 27When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands, and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations; 28Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there. 29Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD." Ezekiel 39:25-29


6. God says that the people will burn the weapon for 7 years after the invasion.

"9And they that dwell in the cities of Israel shall go forth, and shall set on fire and burn the weapons, both the shields and the bucklers, the bows and the arrows, and the handstaves, and the spears, and they shall burn them with fire seven years:" Ezekiel 39:9

This gives the time-frame for the tribulation period.

7. The burying of the bones of the invading horde takes place 7 months after the invasion. I believe this will be done by all those who have gone to Israel in the last days to seek the LORD.



"11And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will give unto Gog a place there of graves in Israel, the valley of the passengers on the east of the sea: and it shall stop the noses of the passengers: and there shall they bury Gog and all his multitude: and they shall call it The valley of Hamongog. 12And seven months shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land. 13Yea, all the people of the land shall bury them; and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be glorified, saith the Lord GOD. 14And they shall sever out men of continual employment, passing through the land to bury with the passengers those that remain upon the face of the earth, to cleanse it: after the end of seven months shall they search. 15And the passengers that pass through the land, when any seeth a man's bone, then shall he set up a sign by it, till the buriers have buried it in the valley of Hamongog. 16And also the name of the city shall be Hamonah. Thus shall they cleanse the land." Ezekiel 39:11-16


Those are a few reasons why I see the Gog invasion as being separate from the battle of Armageddon. I situate the invasion of Gog at the beginning of the tribulation period. I believe that when "mystery babylon" is destroyed. Gog will try to over-run Israel and be defeated by God. This is the beginning of the day of the LORD. It's nothing but destruction, wrath, and judgment! The tribulation period starts with a bang and ends with the ULTIMATE bang! It's going to be interesting times indeed. Times which I believe are right around the corner. Amen.

...AGREED ...before I continue...Do you discern Dan.11:40...as the "battle of magog"...? Furthermore...Do you see 2 or 3 combattants in this scripture...?

No I haven't. But I will do some study and get back to you on that subject. I'm more familiar with Daniel 11:41. The country of Jordan, which is where Ammon, Moab, and Edom are located escape of the 'little horns' hand because that is the escape route for the wilderness deliverance of Revelation 12. Jesus Christ tells those who are living in Judea that they must flee toward the mountains when the abomination of desolation happens. Thus, God is directing His people to flee toward Jordan so that they can be rescued in the wilderness deliverance of Revelation 12.


But you've brought up an interesting idea. I will study Daniel 11 with that in view.


How do you view Daniel 11:40?

The problem is that you are using the old testament Babylon to try to describe 'Mystery Babylon' of Revelation.

They are two different things.

...Have U noticed...it's the king of the south who intiates & instigates...the "pushing" / to prick /to stab...to wit: ...RADICAL ISLAM...as evidenced by the nations here in Ezk.38:5, once again led by Iran (Did U read jer.49:35-39)hmm..? & the "king of the north" as evidenced by the nations here in Ezk.38:6....:shocked: OH MY...they're allies...Now notice... How Daniel interjects the personal pronoun "HIM" & "HE" in three seperate lines of this scripture...Here we find our 3rd. combattant/entity..the "king of Babylon""the king of the south pushes @ "him"...the king of the north...comes against "HIM"...Are U w/me so far...? It is the king of Babylon who defeats magog..! This victory is what propels him to fame & acclaim...."Who is like unto the beast" & "Who is able to make war with him"....need further proof ?Have another look @ this scripture>>> Ezk.38:21 describing the aftermath of the "battle of Magog" The Lord sez..."I will call for a sword against him[magog}throughout all my mountains, saith the Lord God: every mans sword shall be against his brother"...HUH...? Why does the Lord..."CALL FOR A SWORD" against Magog.....? And just who is this sword...? Are U ready for this....? Now just one question...If Babylon is destroyed , before/during the battle of Magog...Well then ...who is it that DESTROYS MAGOG....? As the Lord himself just said..."I WILL CALL FOR A SWORD AGAINST HIM"....Soooooo who is this sword...?

...Daniel 11:40 is an outstanding prophecy of the "battle of Magog" Of course the vast majority of "so called" bible scholars,prophecy pundents, & many here, have all mis-interpreted this single most important scripture as it serves as the catalyst & road marker to the final 7 years(any day now)...Back on point...Who is this sword the Lord calls for in Ezekiel 38:21....? hmmmmmm...? :scratching:

Mystery Babylon Mother of Harlots is Your Roman Whore Church.

That Great City is a SYMBOL, just as the harlot and beast are a symbols.

That great city is symbolic of the Roman Church's EMPIRE, also called her FLESH. (see: Rev 18 e.g. they shall eat her flesh and burn her with fire-revolution and the great city falls)

All happened in 1870 with the end of the Papal States-HRE.

Done and fulfilled.

Since that time Rome's NWO - the 8th head Rev 17 rules.

Papal States-HRE = 7th head

Rome's NWO = 8th head

We can even identify in the Bible the French Revolution when the 8th head NWO took over. This is the 1260 days (prophetic time is a symbol day = year) Rev 11 & 13 when the beast arises after this 1260 year period ('holy' Rome's dark ages).
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After the French Revolution the Illuminati-NWO then caused revolution stripping Holy Rome of the Papal States and ultimately dissolving them in 1870 no longer needed. She now rules by secular republics.

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