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Can someone be a 33rd DEGREE MASON and NOT know they are giving their allegiance to Lucifer?

 
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I live in a rural county in the Appalachian mountains. I attend a small country church. In our community is a large "lodge" following and I have noticed alot of square and compass Idol1 on license plates and window decals. Even in our church parking lot, I have seen a couple of masonic license plates.

A few Sundays ago, I noticed a man wearing a masonic "G" ring. His wife and I are in the choir together and this man is a church leader. I asked her today at church what rank her husband is in the masons and she said "33rd degree". Then she went on to tell me of several other leaders in this little church that are also 33rd degrees masons and their wives (who teach Sunday school and lead the music at the church) are members of the local "Eastern Star" Charter of the masons.

Now, I am no ordinary country hillbilly. I have a law degree and my family moved here 5 years ago from a city in the South as our "bugout" (you might say). We have adapted to our community in a way that we would be perceived as "locals" when the shtf and not as a "resource" (if you get my meaning). So right away we plugged in to a local church and got involved in our community.

I have spent the last 2-3 years researching the history of the freemasons and have learned through my research that we are talking about some of the most sinster schemers in all of American history and dating back to the Knights Templar and beyond. I have alot of trouble believing anyone higher than a 13th degree mason can continue to operate under the assumption that the masons are a Christian organization. (It is the 13th degree that they are initiated into an allegiance with "Jabulon").

Until today, I was absolutely certain that there is NO WAY you achieve 33rd degree status as a Freemason and NOT know you have made your allegiance to Lucifer (even if up to that point you still believed Jesus Christ was the "Supreme Being" referred to). In fact, it is upon becoming a 33rd degree mason that you are given a copy of the book "Morals and Dogma" by Albert Pike (some have access to this book sooner if mason involvement is a family tradition). Anyone who has cracked the binder on that book knows for certain that Lucifer is the object of their affection so no one will convinced me that they DON'T know.

However, I was "thrown for a loop" to find out so many at our local country church were such high level masons (and we have a small church). Either they KNOW and are infiltrating the church or they are too simple minded (or brainwashed) to grasp the sinister nature of their organization. I cannot imagine that these people realize what they are involved in or they themselves would be as shocked as myself!

So I ask anyone here, do you think it is possible that they DON'T know? Could a local rural chapter such as this be brainwashed into believing that their organization is Christian even up to the highest level of membership? Could some Freemason Lodge Chapters be completely and utterly sinister, evil and into pagan idolatry while your smaller, country chapters view it as a branch of their local churches and nothing more than a "Christian charitable organization"?
I am truly stumped at the moment!
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You write well for someone that is brainwashed by superstitous nonsense from an old book. I can't understand how someone with the ability to research and write can miss figuring out that Holy Books are a load of bullshit.
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Lucifer - Light Bringer.

Fail.
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Now learn about Lucifer, the bearer of light (NOT Satan):

[link to www.lds-mormon.com]
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Understand the difference between Albert Pike Masonry and Manly P Hall Masonry. Then ask the question again
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Lucifer - Light Bringer.

Fail.
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Why don't you "illuminate" me. I am simply trying to understand.
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Lucifer - Light Bringer.

Fail.
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Why don't you "illuminate" me. I am simply trying to understand.
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What would you like clarification with?
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"Meet on the level, part on the square."

Initiated: January 12th, 2011
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Raised: March 8th, 2011

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Initiated: June 25th, 2011

Y.O.L.O.

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according to Gnosis Lucifer and the Christ are one and the same power.

So of course a Mason knows it is Lucifer, but they not necessarily think that this is bad.. in fact it might be the very secret that everything in the bible is twisted and the opposite of all is the only truth.

The old testamend good does not appear that friendly after all if you read the bible neutraly.. he has a strange demand for sacrifices and bloodshed. Sound that like being a friendly God ?
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Lucifer - Light Bringer.

Fail.
 Quoting: Archaic Mason


Why don't you "illuminate" me. I am simply trying to understand.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6409369


What would you like clarification with?
 Quoting: Archaic Mason


What does Lucifer mean to a FreeMason? Is he the "Supreme Being" referred to in the oaths?
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Lucifer - Light Bringer.

Fail.
 Quoting: Archaic Mason


Why don't you "illuminate" me. I am simply trying to understand.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6409369


What would you like clarification with?
 Quoting: Archaic Mason


What does Lucifer mean to a FreeMason? Is he the "Supreme Being" referred to in the oaths?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6409369


Lucifer - Light Bearer

Supreme Being - Grand Architect of the Universe

Not one in the same. Anything can be a "lucifer." Lucifer became antiquated with Satan, and poof - people think everyone's a devil worshipper.
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"Meet on the level, part on the square."

Initiated: January 12th, 2011
Passed: February 8th, 2011
Raised: March 8th, 2011

Tall Cedars of Lebanon
Initiated: June 25th, 2011

Y.O.L.O.

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DON'T BRING A KNIFE TO A GUN FIGHT!
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Understand the difference between Albert Pike Masonry and Manly P Hall Masonry. Then ask the question again
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Not much.

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Why don't you "illuminate" me. I am simply trying to understand.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6409369


What would you like clarification with?
 Quoting: Archaic Mason


What does Lucifer mean to a FreeMason? Is he the "Supreme Being" referred to in the oaths?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6409369


Lucifer - Light Bearer

Supreme Being - Grand Architect of the Universe

Not one in the same. Anything can be a "lucifer." Lucifer became antiquated with Satan, and poof - people think everyone's a devil worshipper.
 Quoting: Archaic Mason

When I look up the word "Lucifer", here is what I find:
Lu·ci·fer (ls-fr)n.
1. The archangel cast from heaven for leading the revolt of the angels; Satan.
2. The planet Venus in its appearance as the morning star.
3. lucifer A friction match.

Now maybe I am missing something here but by the above definition, I am not getting "light bearer" as you are or have been led to believe.

Also, just out of curiosity, what reaction does the name "Jesus Christ" receive in your local Lodge and curious if that name gets much mention at all?
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What would you like clarification with?
 Quoting: Archaic Mason


What does Lucifer mean to a FreeMason? Is he the "Supreme Being" referred to in the oaths?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6409369


Lucifer - Light Bearer

Supreme Being - Grand Architect of the Universe

Not one in the same. Anything can be a "lucifer." Lucifer became antiquated with Satan, and poof - people think everyone's a devil worshipper.
 Quoting: Archaic Mason

When I look up the word "Lucifer", here is what I find:
Lu·ci·fer (ls-fr)n.
1. The archangel cast from heaven for leading the revolt of the angels; Satan.
2. The planet Venus in its appearance as the morning star.
3. lucifer A friction match.

Now maybe I am missing something here but by the above definition, I am not getting "light bearer" as you are or have been led to believe.

Also, just out of curiosity, what reaction does the name "Jesus Christ" receive in your local Lodge and curious if that name gets much mention at all?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6409369


Once again, please read this webpage:

[link to www.lds-mormon.com]

If you actually read it, you might understand this subject.
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Well OP, I have experienced the same thing in our small Southern (bugout) town as well. I am as stumped as you and don't know whether to think these Masons are good or bad or are simply unaware of what they are really involved in. As with your community, these people are in power (in law) and wear the rings. One even wears his Masonic ring over his wedding ring. In fact, it seems to be welded to it.

I like the guys but am also weary of them b/c of their Masonic connections. If you find the answer - a legitimate one (which we have not had so far) - I for one would be very interested.
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What does Lucifer mean to a FreeMason? Is he the "Supreme Being" referred to in the oaths?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6409369


Lucifer - Light Bearer

Supreme Being - Grand Architect of the Universe

Not one in the same. Anything can be a "lucifer." Lucifer became antiquated with Satan, and poof - people think everyone's a devil worshipper.
 Quoting: Archaic Mason

When I look up the word "Lucifer", here is what I find:
Lu·ci·fer (ls-fr)n.
1. The archangel cast from heaven for leading the revolt of the angels; Satan.
2. The planet Venus in its appearance as the morning star.
3. lucifer A friction match.

Now maybe I am missing something here but by the above definition, I am not getting "light bearer" as you are or have been led to believe.

Also, just out of curiosity, what reaction does the name "Jesus Christ" receive in your local Lodge and curious if that name gets much mention at all?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6409369


Once again, please read this webpage:

[link to www.lds-mormon.com]

If you actually read it, you might understand this subject.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6472082


I read your link and can only say that we will have to agree to disagree. Satan's greatest trick here has been to convince the world that he doesn't exist. He is very proud of his followers in the Mormon "cult".

As you might have noticed, I personally choose not to believe the Mormons could teach me ANYTHING remotely pertaining to the "Truth" when they themselves fail to see that their own religion is about become gods (little "g") and going to rule their own planets when they die (tell me where I can find THAT in the actual Bible (and not Joseph Smith version of it!). Not to mention their founder, Joseph Smith, lacked the discernment to know that the "angel" that gave him his book in the cave was anything but!

Sorry...the upside to praying for God to impart His discernment and wisdom, is that HE DOES...and I can see the Mormon church for what it is and not what we are TOLD to think it is.
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Well OP, I have experienced the same thing in our small Southern (bugout) town as well. I am as stumped as you and don't know whether to think these Masons are good or bad or are simply unaware of what they are really involved in. As with your community, these people are in power (in law) and wear the rings. One even wears his Masonic ring over his wedding ring. In fact, it seems to be welded to it.

I like the guys but am also weary of them b/c of their Masonic connections. If you find the answer - a legitimate one (which we have not had so far) - I for one would be very interested.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1329586


The problem with getting them to open up about the true nature of their local Lodges is that they are instructed to lie about any affiliation with the "darkness" ("for the greater good", according to "Morals and Dogma"). So even if you were to try and determine if these guys really understood how sinister the Freemason organization is, their commitment to keeping secrets would encourage them to "play dumb". At least that is what my gut tells me.

How could you ever trust someone to tell you the truth who has sworn an oath of secrecy while wearing a NOOSE (the implication is that he would die if he ever revealed the secrets of his oath)? That's messed up!
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Lucifer - Light Bringer.

Fail.
 Quoting: Archaic Mason


Why don't you "illuminate" me. I am simply trying to understand.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6409369


I am going to be honest with you, but you won't believe me. I am a freemason, and your entire conception of what freemasonry is is based on factless rumors and mythology. What you think about freemasonry is from the Leo Taxil hoax, a known admitted historical hoax. Freemasonry has nothing to do with Lucifer, or worshiping anything for that matter.

That is the TRUTH...but will you hear it?
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Understand the difference between Albert Pike Masonry and Manly P Hall Masonry. Then ask the question again
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What do you think the difference between the two is?
 Quoting: Open Your Eyes


Albert Pike Morals and Dogma tangible applcation of the masonry craft.

Manly P Hall hides the key to true mastery of the craft wielding rather than following. that's why a 33 degree isn't a degree that you attain by normal routes.

It's a honorary title reserved for true masters of the craft.
It's kind of like saying that there's a difference between walking the path and knowing the path.

Pike would be the code, and hall would be the cipher
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Lucifer - Light Bearer

Supreme Being - Grand Architect of the Universe

Not one in the same. Anything can be a "lucifer." Lucifer became antiquated with Satan, and poof - people think everyone's a devil worshipper.
 Quoting: Archaic Mason

When I look up the word "Lucifer", here is what I find:
Lu·ci·fer (ls-fr)n.
1. The archangel cast from heaven for leading the revolt of the angels; Satan.
2. The planet Venus in its appearance as the morning star.
3. lucifer A friction match.

Now maybe I am missing something here but by the above definition, I am not getting "light bearer" as you are or have been led to believe.

Also, just out of curiosity, what reaction does the name "Jesus Christ" receive in your local Lodge and curious if that name gets much mention at all?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6409369


Once again, please read this webpage:

[link to www.lds-mormon.com]

If you actually read it, you might understand this subject.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6472082


I read your link and can only say that we will have to agree to disagree. Satan's greatest trick here has been to convince the world that he doesn't exist. He is very proud of his followers in the Mormon "cult".

As you might have noticed, I personally choose not to believe the Mormons could teach me ANYTHING remotely pertaining to the "Truth" when they themselves fail to see that their own religion is about become gods (little "g") and going to rule their own planets when they die (tell me where I can find THAT in the actual Bible (and not Joseph Smith version of it!). Not to mention their founder, Joseph Smith, lacked the discernment to know that the "angel" that gave him his book in the cave was anything but!

Sorry...the upside to praying for God to impart His discernment and wisdom, is that HE DOES...and I can see the Mormon church for what it is and not what we are TOLD to think it is.
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Good grief! Fine, don't believe the Mormons. There is a lot of information on this subject online. Search for Lucifer the bearer of light. But somehow, I suspect you just do not want to know the truth about this. Hey, it's a free country, so feel free to believe whatever you want.
Sorry if I sounded harsh, but I don't have a lot of patience with willful ignorance.
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Lucifer - Light Bringer.

Fail.
 Quoting: Archaic Mason


Why don't you "illuminate" me. I am simply trying to understand.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6409369


I am going to be honest with you, but you won't believe me. I am a freemason, and your entire conception of what freemasonry is is based on factless rumors and mythology. What you think about freemasonry is from the Leo Taxil hoax, a known admitted historical hoax. Freemasonry has nothing to do with Lucifer, or worshiping anything for that matter.

That is the TRUTH...but will you hear it?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1682451


My knowledge of freemasonry has come from READING Albert Pikes "Morals and Dogma". So now you want to tell me it has nothing to do with Lucifer?

Here is a quote from Master Mason Albert Pike HIMSELF...


"Lucifer, the Light-bearer! Strange and mysterious name to give to the Spirit of Darkness! Lucifer, the Son of the Morning! Is it he who bears the Light, and with its splendors intolerable, blinds feeble, sensual, or selfish souls? Doubt it not!" [Albert Pike, Morals and Dogma of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, p. 321, 19th Degree of Grand Pontiff; Red Emphasis added]
[link to www.theforbiddenknowledge.com]

What else ya got? chuckle
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When I look up the word "Lucifer", here is what I find:
Lu·ci·fer (ls-fr)n.
1. The archangel cast from heaven for leading the revolt of the angels; Satan.
2. The planet Venus in its appearance as the morning star.
3. lucifer A friction match.

Now maybe I am missing something here but by the above definition, I am not getting "light bearer" as you are or have been led to believe.

Also, just out of curiosity, what reaction does the name "Jesus Christ" receive in your local Lodge and curious if that name gets much mention at all?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6409369


Once again, please read this webpage:

[link to www.lds-mormon.com]

If you actually read it, you might understand this subject.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6472082


I read your link and can only say that we will have to agree to disagree. Satan's greatest trick here has been to convince the world that he doesn't exist. He is very proud of his followers in the Mormon "cult".

As you might have noticed, I personally choose not to believe the Mormons could teach me ANYTHING remotely pertaining to the "Truth" when they themselves fail to see that their own religion is about become gods (little "g") and going to rule their own planets when they die (tell me where I can find THAT in the actual Bible (and not Joseph Smith version of it!). Not to mention their founder, Joseph Smith, lacked the discernment to know that the "angel" that gave him his book in the cave was anything but!

Sorry...the upside to praying for God to impart His discernment and wisdom, is that HE DOES...and I can see the Mormon church for what it is and not what we are TOLD to think it is.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6409369


Good grief! Fine, don't believe the Mormons. There is a lot of information on this subject online. Search for Lucifer the bearer of light. But somehow, I suspect you just do not want to know the truth about this. Hey, it's a free country, so feel free to believe whatever you want.
Sorry if I sounded harsh, but I don't have a lot of patience with willful ignorance.
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I am afraid it is YOU that fail to see the Truth. I pray you will find the REAL TRUTH of Jesus Christ before it is too late. These secret societies have their secrets for a reason. Because should these secrets become public knowledge, those with the Truth and the TRUE Light would dispell the darkness. Darkness cannot exist in the presence of Light...their/your secrecy is a necessary evil to that end.
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Understand the difference between Albert Pike Masonry and Manly P Hall Masonry. Then ask the question again
 Quoting: Jonathan97202 2126566


What do you think the difference between the two is?
 Quoting: Open Your Eyes


Albert Pike Morals and Dogma tangible applcation of the masonry craft.

Manly P Hall hides the key to true mastery of the craft wielding rather than following. that's why a 33 degree isn't a degree that you attain by normal routes.

It's a honorary title reserved for true masters of the craft.
It's kind of like saying that there's a difference between walking the path and knowing the path.

Pike would be the code, and hall would be the cipher
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How did Manly P Hall discover the key or cipher?
 Quoting: Open Your Eyes


Maybe lucifer "illuminated" him! chuckle
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Lucifer isn't Satan. The evil one is YHVH and he certaintly isn't the entity which Christ came to represent.

In the end all three major religions have been dupted into beleiving the evil one is most high. That's the grand deception, even the elect shall be decieved.
"If you bring forth what is within you, what you have will save you. If you do not have that within you, what you do not have within you [will] kill you."

"Whoever has come to know the world has discovered a carcass, and whoever has discovered a carcass, of that person the world is not worthy."

"Those who know all, but are lacking in themselves, are utterly lacking."
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Stay your course brother! We know, because it is written, these guys with their (g)od, will have the short victory, but then we will gaze upon that one with wonder and say is "this" the one that caused the Nations to stumble?
Praise and Glory to The Most High God - The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob!
God Is! We're not! Let's knock off all the nonsense!
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I recently re- read War and Peace (don't judge me lmbo)...it mentions the freemasons more than comfortably.Idol1 For agnostics and "free thinkers" Masonry for generations has been an enticing choice. Not so much today. Thank goodness for real enlightenment. Years ago, many thought secrets were "cool". Well, words mean things not just pretty ideas. Times have changed..thank GOD ...( the real one)
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There are a few "33s" running around who are "Blood Born".

These are the guys are doing bad things... and don't know they're doing it! they're just living and using their greed and money and don't know they're in the cabal! so yes
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Lucifer - Light Bringer.

Fail.
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Why don't you "illuminate" me. I am simply trying to understand.
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Your mind is closed and full of conjecture while professing the opposite. Typical misdirection of a Barrister whom I know well of their subtleties.
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Re: Can someone be a 33rd DEGREE MASON and NOT know they are giving their allegiance to Lucifer?
Lucifer isn't Satan. The evil one is YHVH and he certaintly isn't the entity which Christ came to represent.

In the end all three major religions have been dupted into beleiving the evil one is most high. That's the grand deception, even the elect shall be decieved.
 Quoting: Motion & Rest


I will pray for you, friend. Seems your programming has been more than successful!
You-->worship Lucifer
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Re: Can someone be a 33rd DEGREE MASON and NOT know they are giving their allegiance to Lucifer?
Lucifer - Light Bringer.

Fail.
 Quoting: Archaic Mason


Why don't you "illuminate" me. I am simply trying to understand.
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Your mind is closed and full of conjecture while professing the opposite. Typical misdirection of a Barrister whom I know well of their subtleties.
 Quoting: Thug Cat


My research of this topic has eliminated "conjecture"...but nice try.