Can someone be a 33rd DEGREE MASON and NOT know they are giving their allegiance to Lucifer? | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 2201816 United States 12/04/2011 10:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You write well for someone that is brainwashed by superstitous nonsense from an old book. I can't understand how someone with the ability to research and write can miss figuring out that Holy Books are a load of bullshit. |
Archaic Mason User ID: 1468378 United States 12/04/2011 10:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Lucifer - Light Bringer. Fail. -- Archaic Mason 2B1ASK1 "Meet on the level, part on the square." Initiated: January 12th, 2011 Passed: February 8th, 2011 Raised: March 8th, 2011 Tall Cedars of Lebanon Initiated: June 25th, 2011 Y.O.L.O. You Only Live Once DON'T BRING A KNIFE TO A GUN FIGHT! |
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Archaic Mason User ID: 1468378 United States 12/04/2011 10:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What would you like clarification with? -- Archaic Mason 2B1ASK1 "Meet on the level, part on the square." Initiated: January 12th, 2011 Passed: February 8th, 2011 Raised: March 8th, 2011 Tall Cedars of Lebanon Initiated: June 25th, 2011 Y.O.L.O. You Only Live Once DON'T BRING A KNIFE TO A GUN FIGHT! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 6510920 Germany 12/04/2011 10:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | according to Gnosis Lucifer and the Christ are one and the same power. So of course a Mason knows it is Lucifer, but they not necessarily think that this is bad.. in fact it might be the very secret that everything in the bible is twisted and the opposite of all is the only truth. The old testamend good does not appear that friendly after all if you read the bible neutraly.. he has a strange demand for sacrifices and bloodshed. Sound that like being a friendly God ? |
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Archaic Mason User ID: 1468378 United States 12/04/2011 10:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What would you like clarification with? What does Lucifer mean to a FreeMason? Is he the "Supreme Being" referred to in the oaths? Lucifer - Light Bearer Supreme Being - Grand Architect of the Universe Not one in the same. Anything can be a "lucifer." Lucifer became antiquated with Satan, and poof - people think everyone's a devil worshipper. -- Archaic Mason 2B1ASK1 "Meet on the level, part on the square." Initiated: January 12th, 2011 Passed: February 8th, 2011 Raised: March 8th, 2011 Tall Cedars of Lebanon Initiated: June 25th, 2011 Y.O.L.O. You Only Live Once DON'T BRING A KNIFE TO A GUN FIGHT! |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 6409369 United States 12/04/2011 10:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6409369 Why don't you "illuminate" me. I am simply trying to understand. What would you like clarification with? What does Lucifer mean to a FreeMason? Is he the "Supreme Being" referred to in the oaths? Lucifer - Light Bearer Supreme Being - Grand Architect of the Universe Not one in the same. Anything can be a "lucifer." Lucifer became antiquated with Satan, and poof - people think everyone's a devil worshipper. When I look up the word "Lucifer", here is what I find: Lu·ci·fer (ls-fr)n. 1. The archangel cast from heaven for leading the revolt of the angels; Satan. 2. The planet Venus in its appearance as the morning star. 3. lucifer A friction match. Now maybe I am missing something here but by the above definition, I am not getting "light bearer" as you are or have been led to believe. Also, just out of curiosity, what reaction does the name "Jesus Christ" receive in your local Lodge and curious if that name gets much mention at all? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 6472082 United States 12/04/2011 10:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What does Lucifer mean to a FreeMason? Is he the "Supreme Being" referred to in the oaths? Lucifer - Light Bearer Supreme Being - Grand Architect of the Universe Not one in the same. Anything can be a "lucifer." Lucifer became antiquated with Satan, and poof - people think everyone's a devil worshipper. When I look up the word "Lucifer", here is what I find: Lu·ci·fer (ls-fr)n. 1. The archangel cast from heaven for leading the revolt of the angels; Satan. 2. The planet Venus in its appearance as the morning star. 3. lucifer A friction match. Now maybe I am missing something here but by the above definition, I am not getting "light bearer" as you are or have been led to believe. Also, just out of curiosity, what reaction does the name "Jesus Christ" receive in your local Lodge and curious if that name gets much mention at all? Once again, please read this webpage: [link to www.lds-mormon.com] If you actually read it, you might understand this subject. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 1329586 United States 12/04/2011 10:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I like the guys but am also weary of them b/c of their Masonic connections. If you find the answer - a legitimate one (which we have not had so far) - I for one would be very interested. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 6409369 United States 12/04/2011 10:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6409369 What does Lucifer mean to a FreeMason? Is he the "Supreme Being" referred to in the oaths? Lucifer - Light Bearer Supreme Being - Grand Architect of the Universe Not one in the same. Anything can be a "lucifer." Lucifer became antiquated with Satan, and poof - people think everyone's a devil worshipper. When I look up the word "Lucifer", here is what I find: Lu·ci·fer (ls-fr)n. 1. The archangel cast from heaven for leading the revolt of the angels; Satan. 2. The planet Venus in its appearance as the morning star. 3. lucifer A friction match. Now maybe I am missing something here but by the above definition, I am not getting "light bearer" as you are or have been led to believe. Also, just out of curiosity, what reaction does the name "Jesus Christ" receive in your local Lodge and curious if that name gets much mention at all? Once again, please read this webpage: [link to www.lds-mormon.com] If you actually read it, you might understand this subject. I read your link and can only say that we will have to agree to disagree. Satan's greatest trick here has been to convince the world that he doesn't exist. He is very proud of his followers in the Mormon "cult". As you might have noticed, I personally choose not to believe the Mormons could teach me ANYTHING remotely pertaining to the "Truth" when they themselves fail to see that their own religion is about become gods (little "g") and going to rule their own planets when they die (tell me where I can find THAT in the actual Bible (and not Joseph Smith version of it!). Not to mention their founder, Joseph Smith, lacked the discernment to know that the "angel" that gave him his book in the cave was anything but! Sorry...the upside to praying for God to impart His discernment and wisdom, is that HE DOES...and I can see the Mormon church for what it is and not what we are TOLD to think it is. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 6409369 United States 12/04/2011 10:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well OP, I have experienced the same thing in our small Southern (bugout) town as well. I am as stumped as you and don't know whether to think these Masons are good or bad or are simply unaware of what they are really involved in. As with your community, these people are in power (in law) and wear the rings. One even wears his Masonic ring over his wedding ring. In fact, it seems to be welded to it. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1329586 I like the guys but am also weary of them b/c of their Masonic connections. If you find the answer - a legitimate one (which we have not had so far) - I for one would be very interested. The problem with getting them to open up about the true nature of their local Lodges is that they are instructed to lie about any affiliation with the "darkness" ("for the greater good", according to "Morals and Dogma"). So even if you were to try and determine if these guys really understood how sinister the Freemason organization is, their commitment to keeping secrets would encourage them to "play dumb". At least that is what my gut tells me. How could you ever trust someone to tell you the truth who has sworn an oath of secrecy while wearing a NOOSE (the implication is that he would die if he ever revealed the secrets of his oath)? That's messed up! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1682451 United States 12/04/2011 10:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I am going to be honest with you, but you won't believe me. I am a freemason, and your entire conception of what freemasonry is is based on factless rumors and mythology. What you think about freemasonry is from the Leo Taxil hoax, a known admitted historical hoax. Freemasonry has nothing to do with Lucifer, or worshiping anything for that matter. That is the TRUTH...but will you hear it? |
Jonathan97202 User ID: 2126566 United States 12/04/2011 10:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Understand the difference between Albert Pike Masonry and Manly P Hall Masonry. Then ask the question again Quoting: Jonathan97202 2126566 What do you think the difference between the two is? Albert Pike Morals and Dogma tangible applcation of the masonry craft. Manly P Hall hides the key to true mastery of the craft wielding rather than following. that's why a 33 degree isn't a degree that you attain by normal routes. It's a honorary title reserved for true masters of the craft. It's kind of like saying that there's a difference between walking the path and knowing the path. Pike would be the code, and hall would be the cipher |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 6472082 United States 12/04/2011 10:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Archaic Mason Lucifer - Light Bearer Supreme Being - Grand Architect of the Universe Not one in the same. Anything can be a "lucifer." Lucifer became antiquated with Satan, and poof - people think everyone's a devil worshipper. When I look up the word "Lucifer", here is what I find: Lu·ci·fer (ls-fr)n. 1. The archangel cast from heaven for leading the revolt of the angels; Satan. 2. The planet Venus in its appearance as the morning star. 3. lucifer A friction match. Now maybe I am missing something here but by the above definition, I am not getting "light bearer" as you are or have been led to believe. Also, just out of curiosity, what reaction does the name "Jesus Christ" receive in your local Lodge and curious if that name gets much mention at all? Once again, please read this webpage: [link to www.lds-mormon.com] If you actually read it, you might understand this subject. I read your link and can only say that we will have to agree to disagree. Satan's greatest trick here has been to convince the world that he doesn't exist. He is very proud of his followers in the Mormon "cult". As you might have noticed, I personally choose not to believe the Mormons could teach me ANYTHING remotely pertaining to the "Truth" when they themselves fail to see that their own religion is about become gods (little "g") and going to rule their own planets when they die (tell me where I can find THAT in the actual Bible (and not Joseph Smith version of it!). Not to mention their founder, Joseph Smith, lacked the discernment to know that the "angel" that gave him his book in the cave was anything but! Sorry...the upside to praying for God to impart His discernment and wisdom, is that HE DOES...and I can see the Mormon church for what it is and not what we are TOLD to think it is. Good grief! Fine, don't believe the Mormons. There is a lot of information on this subject online. Search for Lucifer the bearer of light. But somehow, I suspect you just do not want to know the truth about this. Hey, it's a free country, so feel free to believe whatever you want. Sorry if I sounded harsh, but I don't have a lot of patience with willful ignorance. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 6409369 United States 12/04/2011 11:03 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I am going to be honest with you, but you won't believe me. I am a freemason, and your entire conception of what freemasonry is is based on factless rumors and mythology. What you think about freemasonry is from the Leo Taxil hoax, a known admitted historical hoax. Freemasonry has nothing to do with Lucifer, or worshiping anything for that matter. That is the TRUTH...but will you hear it? My knowledge of freemasonry has come from READING Albert Pikes "Morals and Dogma". So now you want to tell me it has nothing to do with Lucifer? Here is a quote from Master Mason Albert Pike HIMSELF... "Lucifer, the Light-bearer! Strange and mysterious name to give to the Spirit of Darkness! Lucifer, the Son of the Morning! Is it he who bears the Light, and with its splendors intolerable, blinds feeble, sensual, or selfish souls? Doubt it not!" [Albert Pike, Morals and Dogma of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, p. 321, 19th Degree of Grand Pontiff; Red Emphasis added] [link to www.theforbiddenknowledge.com] What else ya got? |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 6409369 United States 12/04/2011 11:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6409369 When I look up the word "Lucifer", here is what I find: Lu·ci·fer (ls-fr)n. 1. The archangel cast from heaven for leading the revolt of the angels; Satan. 2. The planet Venus in its appearance as the morning star. 3. lucifer A friction match. Now maybe I am missing something here but by the above definition, I am not getting "light bearer" as you are or have been led to believe. Also, just out of curiosity, what reaction does the name "Jesus Christ" receive in your local Lodge and curious if that name gets much mention at all? Once again, please read this webpage: [link to www.lds-mormon.com] If you actually read it, you might understand this subject. I read your link and can only say that we will have to agree to disagree. Satan's greatest trick here has been to convince the world that he doesn't exist. He is very proud of his followers in the Mormon "cult". As you might have noticed, I personally choose not to believe the Mormons could teach me ANYTHING remotely pertaining to the "Truth" when they themselves fail to see that their own religion is about become gods (little "g") and going to rule their own planets when they die (tell me where I can find THAT in the actual Bible (and not Joseph Smith version of it!). Not to mention their founder, Joseph Smith, lacked the discernment to know that the "angel" that gave him his book in the cave was anything but! Sorry...the upside to praying for God to impart His discernment and wisdom, is that HE DOES...and I can see the Mormon church for what it is and not what we are TOLD to think it is. Good grief! Fine, don't believe the Mormons. There is a lot of information on this subject online. Search for Lucifer the bearer of light. But somehow, I suspect you just do not want to know the truth about this. Hey, it's a free country, so feel free to believe whatever you want. Sorry if I sounded harsh, but I don't have a lot of patience with willful ignorance. I am afraid it is YOU that fail to see the Truth. I pray you will find the REAL TRUTH of Jesus Christ before it is too late. These secret societies have their secrets for a reason. Because should these secrets become public knowledge, those with the Truth and the TRUE Light would dispell the darkness. Darkness cannot exist in the presence of Light...their/your secrecy is a necessary evil to that end. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 6409369 United States 12/04/2011 11:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Understand the difference between Albert Pike Masonry and Manly P Hall Masonry. Then ask the question again Quoting: Jonathan97202 2126566 What do you think the difference between the two is? Albert Pike Morals and Dogma tangible applcation of the masonry craft. Manly P Hall hides the key to true mastery of the craft wielding rather than following. that's why a 33 degree isn't a degree that you attain by normal routes. It's a honorary title reserved for true masters of the craft. It's kind of like saying that there's a difference between walking the path and knowing the path. Pike would be the code, and hall would be the cipher How did Manly P Hall discover the key or cipher? Maybe lucifer "illuminated" him! |
Motion & Rest User ID: 6501002 United States 12/04/2011 11:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Lucifer isn't Satan. The evil one is YHVH and he certaintly isn't the entity which Christ came to represent. In the end all three major religions have been dupted into beleiving the evil one is most high. That's the grand deception, even the elect shall be decieved. Meow |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 3960075 United States 12/04/2011 11:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Praise and Glory to The Most High God - The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1511886 United States 12/04/2011 11:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I recently re- read War and Peace (don't judge me lmbo)...it mentions the freemasons more than comfortably. For agnostics and "free thinkers" Masonry for generations has been an enticing choice. Not so much today. Thank goodness for real enlightenment. Years ago, many thought secrets were "cool". Well, words mean things not just pretty ideas. Times have changed..thank GOD ...( the real one) |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 6270405 United States 12/04/2011 11:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There are a few "33s" running around who are "Blood Born". These are the guys are doing bad things... and don't know they're doing it! they're just living and using their greed and money and don't know they're in the cabal! so yes |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 6409369 United States 12/04/2011 11:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Lucifer isn't Satan. The evil one is YHVH and he certaintly isn't the entity which Christ came to represent. Quoting: Motion & Rest In the end all three major religions have been dupted into beleiving the evil one is most high. That's the grand deception, even the elect shall be decieved. I will pray for you, friend. Seems your programming has been more than successful! You--> Lucifer |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 6409369 United States 12/04/2011 11:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Your mind is closed and full of conjecture while professing the opposite. Typical misdirection of a Barrister whom I know well of their subtleties. My research of this topic has eliminated "conjecture"...but nice try. |