Can someone be a 33rd DEGREE MASON and NOT know they are giving their allegiance to Lucifer?

Cut from the same cloth...pope/lucifer

What forms have I been programmed by? And when did I ever say whom I give praise to on this thread? Assume much?

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OP - don't pretend to be open minded and ready to learn when you will only read from certain sources and believe certain dogmas.

Well there is your problem - its conspiracy mythology that MORALS AND DOGMA is ANYTHING except Albert Pikes PERSONAL OPINION OF FREEMASONRY. Its no different than if I wrote a book about it - its not some "bible" or even a "guide".

Also, thanks for showing you haven't read it but just copy and pasted from anti-mason websites. If you read the book you would see that passage is referring is QUOTING the opinion of another source. Its not his opinion.

Try go and quote mine another one...instead of actually reading it.

Great thread and great writing OP! I love your SPIRIT, OP. You obviously have ears to hear, but no one offers you answers to your questions. Cryptic denials and snobbish remarks are all I see coming from those defending Masons.

To answer your original question, I would be weary of this church and maybe even speak to the pastor/elders about your feelings. Are the messages/sermons you receive based on the word? Be careful that you aren't being led astray. Pray constantly about this issue, and if you don't feel this church is based on Christ's love and God's grace, get out.

I may live in Los Angeles, but the church I go to is filled with God fearing Christians who read the Bible and pray constantly. Tell me, if you are surrounded by people who are Masons (slick-tongued and sweet-natured as they may seem), which of us is safer? I place my faith in God, and try not to be afraid of what is to come. Just some friendly advice.

Hi OP,

First of all, DO NOT listen to the masonic spindoctors on here. They are just blowing smoke. ;) [I haven't read this entire thread, but I'm sure they will trot out that Freemasonry is not a religion, at which point you can counter that (1) One of Pike's titles was PONTIFF; and (2) Masons hold their own funeral ceremonies and have their own cemeteries, so it is NOT just a "fraternal organization." Those 2 points will shut them up quick; I know because it works for me. :) ]

Masons have definitely infiltrated the Baptist Church, specifically the Southern Baptist Church. Sad but true. While living in TN I knew 2 33rd-degree MINISTERS of churches, and it stunned me as it did you.

To answer your question (which is most certainly a legitimate one), NO, no Mason can proceed to the 32nd degree and NOT know that he is worshipping Lucifer. That's because he is EXPLICITLY TOLD in the 32-degree initiation rite. (Look this up in your copy of Morals and Dogma, it's in there.)

They MAY not realize what they're in between the 13th and 32nd degrees (remember that everything is VEILED/CRYPTIC), so I cut those guys some slack. But NOT at the 32nd or (honorary) 33rd degree.

Ask me anything you want to about Masonry, as I have researched and studied it for 7 years under one of the best, Ralph Epperson, who has devoted 40 years of his life to exposing it.

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Epperson nailed it many years ago I agree....Here is the twist..."LIGHT AND LOVE COMES"...be sure you judge out that light...You only can see so much with human eyes in that spectrum...this makes you easily fooled. Most will call out this coming LIGHT ONE as God...if you love to be different for GOd's sake be really different when it counts...SAY NO TO THIS ENTITY...cause he sure is Gonna look and act like a god ..for your entertainment.

Advice well taken. My family actually worships on the True Sabbath and we only go to this little church for the fellowship. They are between pastors at the moment and the guy that is filling in is truly Spirit-filled! He is rocking their boat and I LOVE IT!

However, I really get the impression that these people are just simple minded and have no idea what the history of their organization is really about. They are just members because their fathers, uncles and grandfathers were all members and that is what you do around here. I was just shocked to hear today that the majority of them are 33rd degree. I have a real problem believing they could attain such a high status on the pyramid and NOT know this organization is so heavily rooted in darkness (thus the secrecy) all the while they tell you it is a Christian charitable organization! It boggles the mind!

What are they "explicitly" told at their 32-degree initiation rite? I do not have a copy of "Morals and Dogma" but read a pdf of it online. What can you tell me about it?

I think even if they are clueless, they are paying their dues that go straight to the capstone of the pyramid. Even if they are unwitting participants (which I have trouble believing they are), they are helping fund something more sinister than they could comprehend and I believe they will be held to account...but that's just me.

I've got a question...friend of mine saw the Freemason symbol on the back of his truck. He one of those that runs a thing called the hadi shrine circus in Evansville. Should I approach him about it or what...if you give me time I can upload the pic here soon if you give me time. It's in his window.

I am watching this now. Hopefully, any questions I have will be answered in the course of this video. Thank goodness for the world-wide web! lol
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Look for the crescent moon and star with the samari sword and fez hat. The shriners have cornered the market on pagan idolatry in their symbols...NO DOUBT!

Oh yea he has it I've seen the hats, and other shriners stuff.

This is a long video but in it, Ken Peters describes what he saw in a dream/vision about the last days. He saw the shriner's samari swords used to behead Christians and explains why the shriner fez hats are red...they say it is because they look forward to the day that they are dipped in the blood of Christians. Not sure if all shriners know this or what they are told about their symbols but you can look at them and see "muslim" spin on the symbols any way you look!

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Umm...my friends dad is probably going to be running the circus in Evansville in a few years, but he's white.

Ten Reasons Catholics Cannot Be Masons

scroll down just a little

[link to freemasonrywatch.org]

Every shriner I know is white...doesn't mean they aren't initiated into a sinister organization (with "Children's Hospital Charity" as their cover to throw us off) using Muslim pagan symbols. I have never asked a shriner to explain their symbols of the crescent moon/star, sword and middle eastern fez hat but I'm sure their explanation would be based in "scriptures" to perpetuate the deception.

Thanks for posting that link...very interesting!

We should get all those freemason freaks together and boil them in excrement

They are just deceived. So was I once. Our best weapon is knowledge and love...the latter is something lucifer couldn't conjure up if he tried so we have that advantage. Let's use it!

Actually Pike never held the title PONTIFF, thats conspiracy fantasy. Also, please tell me where something is a religion because it has a funeral ceremony and a cemetery. Are the US armed forces also religions? Your spin makes no sense.

And oh noes, 33RD DEGREE MASONS AS MINISTERS? You should be thankful. All a 33rd degree mason is is someone who was recognized as doing a lifetime of community service work to better mankind as a whole. Its the masonic equivalent to a "lifetime achievement award" - how good it is that we have men of charity concerned with the betterment of mankind as ministers.

As probably the only person in this thread who actually knows what they are talking about, I can say for 100% that Lucifer is never mentioned. Morals and Dogma doesnt contain "32nd degree initiation ceremonies" - we sell those in the Scottish Rite Monitor which you can buy for $40 (omg, so evil!).

Its so sad that you've spent so much time studying freemasonry and yet still have no idea what you are talking about.

Here is a quote from an article "Why no Christian woman should join the Order of the Eastern Star" (spinoff from Masonry)

"...deadly word games are being played here. Though most women involved in the OES doubtlessly assume they are worshiping Jesus as they kneel around a huge satanic pentagram, it is obvious that the "his" actually refers to Set's star, not Jesus' star.

Set (Lucifer) is the acknowledged god of Masonry. Thus, what does it mean for a Christian woman to be adopted into the Star? She is submitting herself to the spiritual authority of Lucifer.

She may not know it, but in bowing before the altar of the Star, the inverted pentagram of Baphomet, she has surrendered herself (however innocently) to the gods of Masonry. That WILL give Satan an entry point into her life, no matter how devout a Christian she may be."

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WOW! How do you break this news to someone who has been a member for years and has no idea in what they are participating? I am pretty sure they would rather think this news a lie than fall before a LIVING GOD (Yahweh), repent and turn from their involvement. Sadly, traditions are much more convenient than TRUTH!~

"It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God." Hebrews 10:31

Can you read the description Pike gives himself in this quote from Morals and Dogma?
"Lucifer, the Light-bearer! Strange and mysterious name to give to the Spirit of Darkness! Lucifer, the Son of the Morning! Is it he who bears the Light, and with its splendors intolerable, blinds feeble, sensual, or selfish souls? Doubt it not!" [Albert Pike, Morals and Dogma of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry, p. 321, 19th Degree of Grand Pontiff; Red Emphasis added]

Looks like "Grand Pontiff" to me!

When you lie about that (no doubt "for the greater good") then it isn't a far leap to assume you are lying about the rest as well. Enjoy your lie. As with all sinful pleasures, there will be a reckoning.

Seek Jesus while He may be found. Your secret oaths will only bring you misery in the end.

If they were honest, they would admit that they believe lucifer got a bad wrap in the Garden of Eden by a tyrannical God that was holding Adam and Eve against their will. Lucifer was just gracious enough to set them "free" as they will express to you.

They worship satan...make no mistake. They may be deceived but those who possess God's Holy Spirit have the eyes to see. Their lies do not work on us.