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Page 1360 Conclusion very important. . . . blobrSulfur does not seem to alter contrails based on Appleman. . . . [link to elib.dlr.de]
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interesting again, the linked paper from 1995 notes "... the resulting contrail was more than 1km long...". Many chemtrail proponent claim such things didnt exist then, that this is a more recent phenomenom.
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I believe they actually did exist then. But not like they do today. And not because of the increase in air traffic. This was planned long ago...
And I looked, and, behold, a whirlwind came out of the north, a great cloud, and a fire infolding itself, and a brightness was about it, and out of the midst thereof as the colour of amber, out of the midst of the fire. ~

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Page 1360 Conclusion very important. . . . blobrSulfur does not seem to alter contrails based on Appleman. . . . [link to elib.dlr.de]
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interesting again, the linked paper from 1995 notes "... the resulting contrail was more than 1km long...". Many chemtrail proponent claim such things didnt exist then, that this is a more recent phenomenom.
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It is not that some persistent contrails did exist historically. . . The difference is the drastic increase in their frequency, persistence and their increased chance to produce cirrus cloud banks. . . This seems to be a recent development coinciding with the Chemtrail concept. . . .Wonder why? . . . coffee4
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Page 1360 Conclusion very important. . . . blobrSulfur does not seem to alter contrails based on Appleman. . . . [link to elib.dlr.de]
 Quoting: George B


interesting again, the linked paper from 1995 notes "... the resulting contrail was more than 1km long...". Many chemtrail proponent claim such things didnt exist then, that this is a more recent phenomenom.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6366626


I believe they actually did exist then. But not like they do today. And not because of the increase in air traffic. This was planned long ago...
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I think you are correct. . . .ohyeah
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It is not that some persistent contrails did exist historically. . . The difference is the drastic increase in their frequency, persistence and their increased chance to produce cirrus cloud banks. . . This seems to be a recent development coinciding with the Chemtrail concept. . . .Wonder why? . . . coffee4
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This can be attributed to increased air traffic and increased engine efficiency which cause contrails at higher temperatures (therefore wider range of conditions), as cited in the paper linked above.
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Of course, if you *want* to believe, there's little one can ever say to disuade that belief, even in the face of evidence against and lacking any actual evidence for.

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It is not that some persistent contrails did exist historically. . . The difference is the drastic increase in their frequency, persistence and their increased chance to produce cirrus cloud banks. . . This seems to be a recent development coinciding with the Chemtrail concept. . . .Wonder why? . . . coffee4
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This can be attributed to increased air traffic and increased engine efficiency which cause contrails at higher temperatures (therefore wider range of conditions), as cited in the paper linked above.
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The increase in efficiency IMO has more to do with the increase in persistence and cloud banks than the simple increase in travel miles. . . the efficiency of combustion allows more water vapor to be used as nuclei of the proper sizes in the supersaturated atmospheres to form and trigger massive cirrus cloud banks. . . Something that has not been observed with any significant frequency before. . . IMO the trails from high efficiency engines are a form of low grade CHEMTRAIL . . . To which can and is IMO added other particulates such as sulfur compounds to promote global dimming. . . coffee4

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TONIGHT on Coast To Coast:

Chemtrails
Date: 12-07-11
Host: no name
Guests: Michael Murphy

Journalist, filmmaker and political activist Michael Murphy, focuses on issues that go beyond the interest of the corporate mainstream media. He will discuss how chemtrails, also known as geo-engineering programs, are allowing corporations to manipulate natural systems including weather and soil, which in turn will lead to marketing opportunities for goods and services tailored to the new environmental conditions being created.

[link to www.coasttocoastam.com]
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I watched much of this presentation before. . . Very interesting concepts especially about HAARP, etc. . . .much of the information is inferred from existing evidence . . . Most of which debunkers will yell and howl about. . . But that is where the big divide is created. . . .conspiracy theorists believe in connecting dots . . . skeptics argue that even if the dots exist you cannot connect them. . . GO FIGURE. . . .grinning

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TONIGHT on Coast To Coast:

Chemtrails
Date: 12-07-11
Host: no name
Guests: Michael Murphy

Journalist, filmmaker and political activist Michael Murphy, focuses on issues that go beyond the interest of the corporate mainstream media. He will discuss how chemtrails, also known as geo-engineering programs, are allowing corporations to manipulate natural systems including weather and soil, which in turn will lead to marketing opportunities for goods and services tailored to the new environmental conditions being created.

[link to www.coasttocoastam.com]
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Thanks for the info. . . coffee4
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Wow!!! Thanks for all the votes !!!!! . . . moshpit

POLL: The single best Evidence CHEMTRAILs Exist  . . .  

8) Visual Observations and various environmental testing    38.2% (50)

1) Patents. . . Stratospheric Welsbach seeding for reduction of global warming & Method of modifying weather, etc   19.1% (25)

6) Desire to reduce population  . . .Ga Guidestones, CFR, Club of Rome    13.0% (17)

12) Motivation by threats: Solar Storms, EMP, global warming, Weather wars & UN treaty against weather wars    7.6% (10)

4) Human experimentation by US government and TPTB . . . Church Committee, Norwood papers, MK Ultra   6.9% (9)

9) US code and laws allowing Chemical & Biological warfare agents on citizens until 1997   4.6% (6)

5) Secret weapons systems developed in complete secrecy ie Manhattan Project, etc.    2.3% (3)

7) Various Whistleblowers. . . Project Cloverleaf, etc.   2.3% (3)

11) Airline industry & IPCC's lack of mitigation efforts to reduce persistent contrails   2.3% (3)

3) Scientific Research, recommendations & Symposia Public announcements by Science Czar Holderin, Bill Gates, etc   1.5% (2)

10) Supreme court cases dismissing liability of government for human
experimentation damages   1.5% (2)

2) History of exact behavior. . .  zinc cadmium sulfide from A C-119 Flying Boxcar in 1950 - 1960s   0.8% (1)

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The single best Evidence CHEMTRAILs Exist? That HAS to be the one most often and most defiantly presented by its proponents: "YOU JUST HAVE TO LOOK!!! YOU CAN SEEEEEEEE THEM!!!!!"
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It doesn't upset me at all. It is just interesting that you made that choice. I said it is "interesting" not "upsetting".

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I'm guessing you've never heard of the movie "Snakes on a Plane".

Personally, I don't see how you can equate "He didn't tell me how smart, intelligent and observant I am for believing in something silly" to meaning he's the anti-christ.

Think highly of yourself, do you?

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I've NEVER seen a continuous, spreading contrail come out of a REGULAR COMMERCIAL AIRPLANE - EVER!
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chem4chem5

There, I'm glad I could help.

While not commercial jets but military fighter jets here's some more for you to "see for the first time ever"

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I've NEVER seen a continuous, spreading contrail come out of a REGULAR COMMERCIAL AIRPLANE - EVER!
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There, I'm glad I could help.

While not commercial jets but military fighter jets here's some more for you to "see for the first time ever"

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History repeats itself. . . .warfare creates extreme situations combining technology, environmental extremes, and desperate actions. . . .seems maybe we have some of those same potentials in our present age as well . . .coffee4

By-the-way . . .none of the trails in the sky from the military photos are from jet aircraft. . . All were taken in WWII. . . All propeller driven craft. . . .ohno

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By-the-way . . .none of the trails in the sky from the military photos are from jet aircraft. . . All were taken in WWII. . . All propeller driven craft. . . .ohno
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By-the-way . . .none of the trails in the sky from the military photos are from jet aircraft. . . All were taken in WWII. . . All propeller driven craft. . . .ohno
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So... they're not contrails, then? What ARE they?
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I've NEVER seen a continuous, spreading contrail come out of a REGULAR COMMERCIAL AIRPLANE - EVER!
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There, I'm glad I could help.

While not commercial jets but military fighter jets here's some more for you to "see for the first time ever"

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I think we found a new shill...

Noble? Is that you?
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By-the-way . . .none of the trails in the sky from the military photos are from jet aircraft. . . All were taken in WWII. . . All propeller driven craft. . . .ohno
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So... they're not contrails, then? What ARE they?
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I don't think we can eliminate the possibility that they are combustion products, oil, wing and control surface vortexes, etc. . . . Would really like to know what altitudes these dogfights were being flown at. . . .no doubt the atmospheric conditions over the battle of the Bulge and Europe during the winter could have been very extreme. . . coffee4
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By-the-way . . .none of the trails in the sky from the military photos are from jet aircraft. . . All were taken in WWII. . . All propeller driven craft. . . .ohno
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So... they're not contrails, then? What ARE they?
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Are you the same Menow that hangs with the LoneRanger's Thread Debunking Nancy L. ???? . . . coffee4
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Number one. . . This is not my quote. . . I don't know how that happened.
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look at this UK study .  . [link to www.met.reading.ac.uk] . indicated their computer modeling resulted in an estimated Radiative Forcing 5,000 times greater than  average for this  contrail. . .

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Yes it is odd, some bug with nested quoting, see it alot above.

I dont for a moment dispute the link between contrails and high altitude cloud formation. I do believe too much can be made of it, with the conditions conducive to long lasting contrails implicitly being the same for other water vapour to condense and form clouds. Thats for meterology experts.

The link you provide explains the contrail-cloud link very well, and proves that the contrail is in fact water vapour, otherwise the weather models wouldn't work.

So im really more interested in how the AP claims that water vapour dissipates too quickly. I'm sure the meterologist would be interested so they can alter their model (and all meterology). clearly they too are blind to something.
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it is not surprising that the particulate or aerosols (especially if they are released through a fuel additive) would act very similarly to a contrail, both being predominately water vapor and combustion products. . . The real question is how different might they act if they had higher concentrations of for example sulfur compounds . . . Than just a regular jet exhaust. . . .coffee4
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I was reading an article in the Huffington Post from April and saw the mention of 'sulfates' in Geo-Engineering and the comparison made to certain volcanic eruptions and couldn't help but wonder if there was any link to this dark/dirty contrail I photographed a few weeks ago:

[link to i1126.photobucket.com]

Here is the article:

[link to www.huffingtonpost.com]


Geoengineering: Scientists Debate Risks Of Sun-Blocking And Other Climate Tweaks To Fight Warming


"By most accounts, the leading contender is stratospheric aerosol particles," said climatologist John Shepherd of Britain's Southampton University."

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"The particles would be sun-reflecting sulfates spewed into the lower stratosphere from aircraft, balloons or other devices – much like the sulfur dioxide emitted by the eruption of the Philippines' Mount Pinatubo in 1991, estimated to have cooled the world by 0.5 degrees C (0.9 degrees F) for a year or so."

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"The technique has other downsides: The sulfates would likely damage the ozone layer shielding Earth from damaging ultraviolet rays; they don't stop atmospheric carbon dioxide from acidifying the oceans; and sudden cooling of the Earth would itself alter climate patterns in unknown ways."

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Number one. . . This is not my quote. . . I don't know how that happened.
...
look at this UK study .  . [link to www.met.reading.ac.uk] . indicated their computer modeling resulted in an estimated Radiative Forcing 5,000 times greater than  average for this  contrail. . .

 Quoting: George B


Yes it is odd, some bug with nested quoting, see it alot above.

I dont for a moment dispute the link between contrails and high altitude cloud formation. I do believe too much can be made of it, with the conditions conducive to long lasting contrails implicitly being the same for other water vapour to condense and form clouds. Thats for meterology experts.

The link you provide explains the contrail-cloud link very well, and proves that the contrail is in fact water vapour, otherwise the weather models wouldn't work.

So im really more interested in how the AP claims that water vapour dissipates too quickly. I'm sure the meterologist would be interested so they can alter their model (and all meterology). clearly they too are blind to something.
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it is not surprising that the particulate or aerosols (especially if they are released through a fuel additive) would act very similarly to a contrail, both being predominately water vapor and combustion products. . . The real question is how different might they act if they had higher concentrations of for example sulfur compounds . . . Than just a regular jet exhaust. . . .coffee4
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I was reading an article in the Huffington Post from April and saw the mention of 'sulfates' in Geo-Engineering and the comparison made to certain volcanic eruptions and couldn't help but wonder if there was any link to this dark/dirty contrail I photographed a few weeks ago:

[link to i1126.photobucket.com]


Here is the article:

[link to www.huffingtonpost.com]


Geoengineering: Scientists Debate Risks Of Sun-Blocking And Other Climate Tweaks To Fight Warming


"By most accounts, the leading contender is stratospheric aerosol particles," said climatologist John Shepherd of Britain's Southampton University."

----------------------------

"The particles would be sun-reflecting sulfates spewed into the lower stratosphere from aircraft, balloons or other devices – much like the sulfur dioxide emitted by the eruption of the Philippines' Mount Pinatubo in 1991, estimated to have cooled the world by 0.5 degrees C (0.9 degrees F) for a year or so."

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"The technique has other downsides: The sulfates would likely damage the ozone layer shielding Earth from damaging ultraviolet rays; they don't stop atmospheric carbon dioxide from acidifying the oceans; and sudden cooling of the Earth would itself alter climate patterns in unknown ways."

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Excellent questions . . . I have no idea about dark color except those clouds I have witnesses from a sky full of volcanic ash. . . Very, very spooky . . .ohno
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By-the-way . . .none of the trails in the sky from the military photos are from jet aircraft. . . All were taken in WWII. . . All propeller driven craft. . . .ohno
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So... they're not contrails, then? What ARE they?
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Um ... contrails are not "jet exhaust", it's water vapor created by the turbulence caused by the wings of the aircraft. Hence, ANY plane + ripe weather conditions at altitude can cause contrails.
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I think we found a new shill...

Noble? Is that you?
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Just because someone disagrees with your OPINION doesn't mean they are paid by the government to do so, bro.

THAT is something called "delusions of grandeur". I hate to break it to you but I seriously doubt you're important enough for someone to be paid to disagree with you.

You will find that even with WELL documented and proven FACTS there will ALWAYS be someone that thinks differently. Just a fact of life, man. Get used to it.
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By-the-way . . .none of the trails in the sky from the military photos are from jet aircraft. . . All were taken in WWII. . . All propeller driven craft. . . .ohno
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So... they're not contrails, then? What ARE they?
 Quoting: Menow 1525529


Um ... contrails are not "jet exhaust", it's water vapor created by the turbulence caused by the wings of the aircraft. Hence, ANY plane + ripe weather conditions at altitude can cause contrails.
 Quoting: Sir Phydeau


No one has denied that. . . I have seen control surface vortexes at almost ground level. . . All you have to do is go to an air show to see that. . . . So your point is? Our commercial aircraft seldom dogfight or pull 5Gs in a maneuver . . .grinning

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Quotes :  Conspiracy Nuts and Conspiracy Theories

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