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The single best Evidence CHEMTRAILs Exist  . . .  

 
George B (OP)

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What makes a CHEMTARD a CHEMTARD?

1) Most react emotionally to the ugly trails in the sky. . . Curiosity, Anger or Shock is the first reaction and then they start researching to see what they can find out . . . 

2) Most stumble over one of many Chemtrail sites on the Internet.  . . And most find YouTube or other videos on the subject of CHEMTRAILs or persistent contrails . . . They then may find a discussion forum or blog which addresses the issues. . . 

3) The question then becomes what to believe. . . What do the authorities have to say about the ugly streaks in the sky . . . How does it match with the unofficial information?  Hint. . . They don't!!!

4) In the final stages of the disease the infected person feels the need to take a side . . .  do they believe their eyes and emotions or do they believe the authorities. . . The same authorities that take their money, spend it without regards to sanity and then comes back for more. . . 

5) Sure there are plenty of 'scientific' explanations for the persistent steaks in the sky but few satisfy the  stark reality of the visual assault. . (one has to look hard to find official experts as opposed to the plethora of the alternative explanations) so people tend to use their intuition versus the explanations given by the experts (NASA, NOAA, DoE, Air Force, etc).  

6) I have personally spent almost two years researching both sides of the argument  . . . Studying the science, the conspiracy theories, and my own experiences.  I find nothing that eliminates the possibility that CHEMTRAILs do exist in some form, based on the science and OPPORTUNITY to use the inherent power that resides in the authorities hands . . .can the authorities be right and it is all a hoax?      
    Possibly, it is all a big misunderstanding,  with all the circumstantial evidence collected being nothing but misplaced fear and mistrust manifesting itself in an urban legend. . . We may never know,  because if the authorities have all the solid evidence and the system to suppress said evidence . . . They are in control of disclosure. . . . In other words they hold all the cards and are refusing to lay them down. . . GO FIGURE . . .coffee4
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By-the-way . . .none of the trails in the sky from the military photos are from jet aircraft. . . All were taken in WWII. . . All propeller driven craft. . . .ohno
 Quoting: George B


So... they're not contrails, then? What ARE they?
 Quoting: Menow 1525529


I don't think we can eliminate the possibility that they are combustion products, oil, wing and control surface vortexes, etc. . . . Would really like to know what altitudes these dogfights were being flown at. . . .no doubt the atmospheric conditions over the battle of the Bulge and Europe during the winter could have been very extreme. . . coffee4
 Quoting: George B


What?? Control surface vortexes are a momentary phenomenon. Who are you trying to kid? "Oil"? Surely you jest. Those planes could't carry enough oil to do that. "Combustion products"? A contrail IS a "combustion product" or certainly a "combustion byproduct"! Those are CONTRAILS, just like all the ones people see now and think they are a NEW thing.
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By-the-way . . .none of the trails in the sky from the military photos are from jet aircraft. . . All were taken in WWII. . . All propeller driven craft. . . .ohno
 Quoting: George B


So... they're not contrails, then? What ARE they?
 Quoting: Menow 1525529


Are you the same Menow that hangs with the LoneRanger's Thread Debunking Nancy L. ???? . . . coffee4
 Quoting: George B


That's me.
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By-the-way . . .none of the trails in the sky from the military photos are from jet aircraft. . . All were taken in WWII. . . All propeller driven craft. . . .ohno
 Quoting: George B


So... they're not contrails, then? What ARE they?
 Quoting: Menow 1525529


Um ... contrails are not "jet exhaust", it's water vapor created by the turbulence caused by the wings of the aircraft. Hence, ANY plane + ripe weather conditions at altitude can cause contrails.
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Of course. I didn't say they are "jet exhaust". I wanted George to answer that question.

Oh.. I think you misspoke. Water vapor is not "created" by the aircraft.
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By-the-way . . .none of the trails in the sky from the military photos are from jet aircraft. . . All were taken in WWII. . . All propeller driven craft. . . .ohno
 Quoting: George B


So... they're not contrails, then? What ARE they?
 Quoting: Menow 1525529


Um ... contrails are not "jet exhaust", it's water vapor created by the turbulence caused by the wings of the aircraft. Hence, ANY plane + ripe weather conditions at altitude can cause contrails.
 Quoting: Sir Phydeau


Of course. I didn't say they are "jet exhaust". I wanted George to answer that question.

Oh.. I think you misspoke. Water vapor is not "created" by the aircraft.
 Quoting: Menow 1525529


LOL ... is this all you're capable of? Pointing out my "misstating something"? YES, I misspoke ... big fucking deal.

EDIT TO ADD: Meh, this was a knee-jerk defensive reply on my part ... sorry.

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well if nothing else, between the pics on page 10 and the link to research, this thread has conclusivly proved that contrails are not a recent phenomenon.
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well if nothing else, between the pics on page 10 and the link to research, this thread has conclusivly proved that contrails are not a recent phenomenon.
 Quoting: Sir Phydeau:


I have never said that trails in the sky were a new phenomenon . . . I have stated that the number, frequency, persistence and cirrus cloud banks induced by trails have increased dramatically especially in the last two decades. . .peace

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By-the-way . . .none of the trails in the sky from the military photos are from jet aircraft. . . All were taken in WWII. . . All propeller driven craft. . . .ohno
 Quoting: George B


So... they're not contrails, then? What ARE they?
 Quoting: Menow 1525529


I don't think we can eliminate the possibility that they are combustion products, oil, wing and control surface vortexes, etc. . . . Would really like to know what altitudes these dogfights were being flown at. . . .no doubt the atmospheric conditions over the battle of the Bulge and Europe during the winter could have been very extreme. . . coffee4
 Quoting: George B


What?? Control surface vortexes are a momentary phenomenon. Who are you trying to kid? "Oil"? Surely you jest. Those planes could't carry enough oil to do that. "Combustion products"? A contrail IS a "combustion product" or certainly a "combustion byproduct"! Those are CONTRAILS, just like all the ones people see now and think they are a NEW thing.
 Quoting: Menow 1525529


By-the-way, no one here has said that contrails don't exist. . . So why does the existence of contrails since 1915 to present disturb Chemtrail advocates??????. . . grinning

Control surface vortices can be much more persistent. . . They can last for miles behind aircraft. . . coffee4

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I always wondered why all these contraptions they keep putting on combustion engines do nothing except choke the ignition of the gas to be burned cleanly and is gov mandated and is comimg down to where i live with small machines and i see there plan in a cold stark way as it it is evil and for profit and nothing else and i as i will say again, i hope there is a hell for you ignorant fools who should have left us alone and your actions prove to me you are evil incarnate wit what you made the makers put on the machines that make them pollute more and be so more inneffient, all i got to say is you suck exchuast pipes you fools without adjustment!
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So... they're not contrails, then? What ARE they?
 Quoting: Menow 1525529


Um ... contrails are not "jet exhaust", it's water vapor created by the turbulence caused by the wings of the aircraft. Hence, ANY plane + ripe weather conditions at altitude can cause contrails.
 Quoting: Sir Phydeau


Of course. I didn't say they are "jet exhaust". I wanted George to answer that question.

Oh.. I think you misspoke. Water vapor is not "created" by the aircraft.
 Quoting: Menow 1525529


LOL ... is this all you're capable of? Pointing out my "misstating something"? YES, I misspoke ... big fucking deal.

EDIT TO ADD: Meh, this was a knee-jerk defensive reply on my part ... sorry.
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No problemo.
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well if nothing else, between the pics on page 10 and the link to research, this thread has conclusivly proved that contrails are not a recent phenomenon.
 Quoting: Sir Phydeau:


I have never said that trails in the sky were a new phenomenon . . . I have stated that the number, frequency, persistence and cirrus cloud banks induced by trails have increased dramatically especially in the last two decades. . .peace
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I'm sure Sir Phydeau can speak for himself, but although YOU may not have said that persistent contrails are a new phenomenon, that is one of the CENTRAL claims of most chemtrail proponents.
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the best evidence is my skies and my eyes. and my burning eyes, runny nose and chemtrail lungs after they shit in the sky. I am also used strong binoculars and seen TANKER PLANES.
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So... they're not contrails, then? What ARE they?
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I don't think we can eliminate the possibility that they are combustion products, oil, wing and control surface vortexes, etc. . . . Would really like to know what altitudes these dogfights were being flown at. . . .no doubt the atmospheric conditions over the battle of the Bulge and Europe during the winter could have been very extreme. . . coffee4
 Quoting: George B


What?? Control surface vortexes are a momentary phenomenon. Who are you trying to kid? "Oil"? Surely you jest. Those planes could't carry enough oil to do that. "Combustion products"? A contrail IS a "combustion product" or certainly a "combustion byproduct"! Those are CONTRAILS, just like all the ones people see now and think they are a NEW thing.
 Quoting: Menow 1525529


By-the-way, no one here has said that contrails don't exist.
 Quoting: George B


No one "here"? I dare say that MOST chemtrail believers see ANY trail in the sky and automatically call it a "chemtrail".

. . So why does the existence of contrails since 1915 to present disturb Chemtrail advocates??????. . . grinning
 Quoting: George B


Because MOST ALL of them claim that persistent contrails are a NEW phenomenon.

Control surface vortices can be much more persistent. . . They can last for miles behind aircraft. . . coffee4

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"Miles" equates to a very short amount of time.

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Did anyone listen to the Chemtrail show on Coast To Coast AM Wednesday night? I listened to it yesterday and it was very interesting...

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What are fucking blind?

Sheeze! That anyone has to even take a poll shows the level of mind control and delusional thinking in this fucked up nation.
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the best evidence is my skies and my eyes. and my burning eyes, runny nose and chemtrail lungs after they shit in the sky. I am also used strong binoculars and seen TANKER PLANES.
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Here you go George. Fight it out with this one as to the reality and science surrounding this issue. Her eyes burn from something she claims was "sprayed" in the sky miles above her which wouldn't reach the ground 'till hundreds of miles down wind of her. Heh.
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What are fucking blind?

Sheeze! That anyone has to even take a poll shows the level of mind control and delusional thinking in this fucked up nation.
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Here's another one, George. He knows they exist because he can seeeeeeee them! This is the true nature of the "chemtrail" believer.
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the best evidence is my skies and my eyes. and my burning eyes, runny nose and chemtrail lungs after they shit in the sky. I am also used strong binoculars and seen TANKER PLANES.
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Here you go George. Fight it out with this one as to the reality and science surrounding this issue. Her eyes burn from something she claims was "sprayed" in the sky miles above her which wouldn't reach the ground 'till hundreds of miles down wind of her. Heh.
 Quoting: Menow 1525529


Who is to say what an individual experiences . . . there were possibly trails hundreds of miles away and the trails she saw were possibly and are simply coincidental . . . also, who knows what the fall rates are of the particulates . . . or the altitude the particulates could have been dispersed from . . .coffee4
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What are fucking blind?

Sheeze! That anyone has to even take a poll shows the level of mind control and delusional thinking in this fucked up nation.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4594667


Here's another one, George. He knows they exist because he can seeeeeeee them! This is the true nature of the "chemtrail" believer.
 Quoting: Menow 1525529


Were you there . . . did you see what they saw . . . I suggest you are not everywhere at the same time . . . coffee4
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I don't think we can eliminate the possibility that they are combustion products, oil, wing and control surface vortexes, etc. . . . Would really like to know what altitudes these dogfights were being flown at. . . .no doubt the atmospheric conditions over the battle of the Bulge and Europe during the winter could have been very extreme. . . coffee4
 Quoting: George B


What?? Control surface vortexes are a momentary phenomenon. Who are you trying to kid? "Oil"? Surely you jest. Those planes could't carry enough oil to do that. "Combustion products"? A contrail IS a "combustion product" or certainly a "combustion byproduct"! Those are CONTRAILS, just like all the ones people see now and think they are a NEW thing.
 Quoting: Menow 1525529


By-the-way, no one here has said that contrails don't exist

 Quoting: George B


No one "here"? I dare say that MOST chemtrail believers see ANY trail in the sky and automatically call it a "chemtrail".

. . So why does the existence of contrails since 1915 to present disturb Chemtrail advocates??????. . . grinning
 Quoting: George B


Because MOST ALL of them claim that persistent contrails are a NEW phenomenon.

Control surface vortices can be much more persistent. . . They can last for miles behind aircraft. . . coffee4
 Quoting: George B


"Miles" equates to a very short amount of time.

 Quoting: George B


Control surface vortices can be much more persistent. . . They can last for miles behind aircraft. . . coffee4
 Quoting: George B


"Miles" equates to a very short amount of time.

 Quoting: Menow 1525529


Yes, and miles can equate to from horizon to horizon. . . .coffee4

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the best evidence is my skies and my eyes. and my burning eyes, runny nose and chemtrail lungs after they shit in the sky. I am also used strong binoculars and seen TANKER PLANES.
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Here you go George. Fight it out with this one as to the reality and science surrounding this issue. Her eyes burn from something she claims was "sprayed" in the sky miles above her which wouldn't reach the ground 'till hundreds of miles down wind of her. Heh.
 Quoting: Menow 1525529


Who is to say what an individual experiences . . . there were possibly trails hundreds of miles away and the trails she saw were possibly and are simply coincidental . . . also, who knows what the fall rates are of the particulates . . . or the altitude the particulates could have been dispersed from . . .coffee4
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"Possibly"?! That isn't the point. The POINT is, there is no reasoning with 'chemtards' over the foolishness of their conclusions they reach from their "experiences". She SEES "chemtrails" overhead and has itchy eyes, therefor, the trails she SEES caused her itchy eyes. It's absurd, but if you point that out, you are a "shill". It's been that way from the very beginning and hasn't changes a bit.
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also, who knows what the fall rates are of the particulates . . . or the altitude the particulates could have been dispersed from . . .coffee4
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You're smarter than this.
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What are fucking blind?

Sheeze! That anyone has to even take a poll shows the level of mind control and delusional thinking in this fucked up nation.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4594667


Here's another one, George. He knows they exist because he can seeeeeeee them! This is the true nature of the "chemtrail" believer.
 Quoting: Menow 1525529


Were you there . . . did you see what they saw . . . I suggest you are not everywhere at the same time . . . coffee4
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I can see that this is a waste of my time, since you're going to play the "obtuse" game.
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the best evidence is my skies and my eyes. and my burning eyes, runny nose and chemtrail lungs after they shit in the sky. I am also used strong binoculars and seen TANKER PLANES.
 Quoting: Nobody in Particular


Here you go George. Fight it out with this one as to the reality and science surrounding this issue. Her eyes burn from something she claims was "sprayed" in the sky miles above her which wouldn't reach the ground 'till hundreds of miles down wind of her. Heh.
 Quoting: Menow 1525529


Who is to say what an individual experiences . . . there were possibly trails hundreds of miles away and the trails she saw were possibly and are simply coincidental . . . also, who knows what the fall rates are of the particulates . . . or the altitude the particulates could have been dispersed from . . .coffee4
 Quoting: George B


"Possibly"?! That isn't the point. The POINT is, there is no reasoning with 'chemtards' over the foolishness of their conclusions they reach from their "experiences". She SEES "chemtrails" overhead and has itchy eyes, therefor, the trails she SEES caused her itchy eyes. It's absurd, but if you point that out, you are a "shill". It's been that way from the very beginning and hasn't changes a bit.
 Quoting: Menow 1525529


People are never the same . . . Some see connections and associations others cannot put together . . . I don't understand some associations either but logic is not always the answer for every person . . Some people are lead by intuition. . . .verycool
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What are fucking blind?

Sheeze! That anyone has to even take a poll shows the level of mind control and delusional thinking in this fucked up nation.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4594667


Here's another one, George. He knows they exist because he can seeeeeeee them! This is the true nature of the "chemtrail" believer.
 Quoting: Menow 1525529


Were you there . . . did you see what they saw . . . I suggest you are not everywhere at the same time . . . coffee4
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I can see that this is a waste of my time, since you're going to play the "obtuse" game.
 Quoting: Menow 1525529


Chemtrail advocates fall under a large tent. . . .there are as many opinions as there are people. . . . One cannot agree with everyone, every time but still can understand their fears and concerns. Overall, I maintain CHEMTRAILs exist in some form and until I figure it all out, if possible, I will defend everyones right to their position. . . .shitstir2
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3 strange lights floating around in the sky tonight, did you see them Snake?
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3 strange lights floating around in the sky tonight, did you see them Snake?
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It was the mothership coming to pick up Noble and Snake. Time to head back to planet Denial.
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Here's another one, George. He knows they exist because he can seeeeeeee them! This is the true nature of the "chemtrail" believer.
 Quoting: Menow 1525529


Were you there . . . did you see what they saw . . . I suggest you are not everywhere at the same time . . . coffee4
 Quoting: George B


I can see that this is a waste of my time, since you're going to play the "obtuse" game.
 Quoting: Menow 1525529


Chemtrail advocates fall under a large tent. . . .there are as many opinions as there are people. . . . One cannot agree with everyone, every time but still can understand their fears and concerns. Overall, I maintain CHEMTRAILs exist in some form and until I figure it all out, if possible, I will defend everyones right to their position. . . .shitstir2
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Re: The single best Evidence CHEMTRAILs Exist  . . .  
There is no evidence currently. The only evidence is visual and that does not distinguish between water vapor or chemicals.
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Please do a little research and THINK a little before making such a NWO ass kissing statement.

Con trails are composed mostly of ICE crystals. Ice crystals are visible. Water vapor is NOT visible. In about 20 minutes or LESS the ICE crystals normally trans substantiate; they change from the solid state to the gas state directly.

Thus ALL evidence that a plane has passed DISAPPEARS.

Please WATCH what happens when a chem trail is layed down. In a few hours a large sector of the sky is MILKY white. This white is NOT ice and it is NOT water vapor.

What is it?

Chemical analysis shows it is barium, aluminum and other metals, chemicals, nano-fibers and other garbage that should not be in our air, water, soil, lungs and body.

Please wake up before it is too late. Only the truth can save us from the evil people who control our "government", "military" and "national security organs" and who can kill us at will.

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