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Could Betelguese be The Red Kachina? Sirus A the Blue Kachina?

 
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Could Betelguese be The Red Kachina? Sirus A the Blue Kachina?
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Betelgeuse, also known by its Bayer designation Alpha Orionis, is the eighth brightest star in the night sky and second brightest star in the constellation of Orion, outshining its neighbor Rigel (Beta Orionis) only rarely.

Distinctly reddish-tinted, it is a semiregular variable star whose apparent magnitude varies between 0.2 and 1.2, the widest range of any first magnitude star. The star marks the upper right vertex of the Winter Triangle and center of the Winter Hexagon.

Classified as a red supergiant, Betelgeuse is one of the largest and most luminous stars known.

However, with distance estimates in the last century that have ranged anywhere from 180 to 1,300 light years from Earth, calculating its diameter, luminosity and mass have proven difficult. Betelgeuse is currently thought to lie around 640 light years away, yielding a mean absolute magnitude of about 6.05.

In 1920, Alpha Ori was the first star (after the Sun) to have its angular diameter measured. Since then, researchers have used a number of telescopes to measure this stellar giant, each with different technical parameters, often yielding conflicting results.

Current estimates of the star's apparent diameter range from about 0.043 to 0.056 arcseconds. This is a moving target at best, as

Betelgeuse appears to change shape periodically.

Because of limb darkening, variability, and angular diameters that vary with wavelength, the star remains a perplexing mystery. To complicate matters further, Betelgeuse has a complex, asymmetric envelope caused by colossal mass loss involving huge plumes of gas being expelled from its surface.

There is even evidence of stellar companions orbiting within this gaseous envelope, possibly contributing to the star's eccentric behavior.



Betelgeuse is expected to explode as a type II supernova, possibly within the next million years.





From the information above it seems that Betelgeuse is a bit of a mystery to the scientists and it seems to change shape and diameter when measured by different entities.

As some of you might know I have had a bit of a fascination with Sirius for a few months now. I wrote this thread in September:

Thread: WHY HAS SIRIUS A BEEN REMOVED FROM GOOGLE SKY? The Hopi Prophesy. The Dogon. Nibiru.





Last night:

For the last 3 months I have been anxiously awaiting the rising of Sirius.

While it has been rising for some time, to see it at a somewhat decent hour is somewhat recent. I live in the PNW and it has been overcast for months so my efforts to view Sirius has consistently met with frustration. However, tonight the sky is clear.

Sirius is the very bright star(brightest in our night sky) behind Orion's back leg. Right now it seems to be pulsating incredibly, throwing off bursts of red and blue and white. It is really awesome to behold. It reminds me of a member here from Australia who mentioned seeing a star acting strangely in September when Sirius would still be seen in the Southern Hemisphere before Sirius rose in the Northern Hemisphere on the Jewish New Year September 29, 2011.

I was hoping some others would have a look (a long look), and describe the behavior of Sirius from YOUR view point.

Find Orion's belt in the Eastern sky, then look behind his leg. Really watch how Sirius is behaving.

I believe Sirius may be a key to the puzzle.


Can anyone get video?


Google SkySirius

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 Quoting: Seer777



Hopi Blue Kachina/Red Kachina Prophecy
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An ancient Hopi Prophecy states…when the Blue Star Kachina makes its appearance in the heavens the 5th world will emerge. This will be the day of Purification. It will come when the Saquasahuh (Blue) Kachina dances in the plaza and takes off his mask.

In the final day we will look up in the heavens and we will witness the return of the two brothers who helped create this world in the birthing time

When the Purifier comes we will see him first as a small red star which will come very close and sit in our heavens watching us, watching to see how well we have remembered the sacred teachings. This Purifier will show us many miraculous signs in our heavens. In this we will know that our creator is not a dream. Even those who do not feel their connection to spirit will see the face of the creator across the sky. Things unseen will be felt strongly. Many things will begin to occur that do not make sense, for reality will be shifting back.

We will receive many warnings allowing us to change our way, from below the Earth as well as above. Then one morning we will awaken to a Red Dawn. The sky will be the colour of blood and many things will begin to happen that right now we are not sure of their exact nature, for much of reality will not be as it is now.


Those who return to the ways given to us in the original teaching and live a natural way of life will not be touched by the coming of the Purifier. They will survive and build a new world, only in the ancient teachings will they have the ability to understand the messages to be found





Could there be a relationship between Sirius A and Betelgeuse?

Can a binary mass transfer happen at these distances?

Could one effect the other?

Why does Betelgeuse appear to change shape and size?

Would a supernova of Betelgeuse cause problems on Earth?

Could a supernova open a wormhole?

Can supernova occur more than once?

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Interesting ideas OP. These two candidates seem to be gaining popularity.

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It appears I am not the only one who has considered this.



Seeing Red: Will Betelgeuse Go Supernova in 2012?
Gary A. David
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Redshifting Into the Future
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Fierce Orion raises his right arm that holds a warriors’ club, ready to strike down his foes. The red supergiant star Betelgeuse (pronounced “beetle juice”), also known as Alpha Orionis, forms his right shoulder. Because of its deep orange or topaz hue, it is called the Martial Star.

Betelgeuse’s diameter is 8oo times larger than our Sun, and its mass is 20 times greater. It is the 11th brightest star in the heavens, but because it is an irregularly pulsating star called a Mira Variable, its size and magnitude changes. At times its diameter equals that of the orbit of Mars, while at other times its diameter is the same size as the orbit of Jupiter.

The magnitude of Betelgeuse also varies. Periodically it becomes slightly more brilliant than Rigel, Orion’s left knee and the eighth brightest star in the sky. Then for no reason it can reduce in luminosity to approximately the same as Bellatrix, Orion’s other shoulder and only the 27th brightest star in the heavens. Clearly Betelgeuse is not a stable stellar object.

Betelgeuse1

Astronomers have recently determined that Betelgeuse is shrinking—in a big way. In the last 15 years it has lost 15% of its diameter! In the past the size of the star has usually ranged between the diameters of the orbits of Mars and Jupiter, but now it unexplainably has shrunk to the size of the orbit of Venus. Although its size is now smaller, its brightness, oddly enough, did not diminish in the process. In addition, an unusual, large red spot has recently appeared on the star’s surface.

This star would thus become the most luminous object in our sky, much more so than our full Moon. It could even rate as the brightest supernova in history, outstripping those that the Persians, Arabs, Chinese, Native Americans and others recorded both in 1006 AD and in 1054 AD.2.

If Betelgeuse indeed turns into a supernova, it would be visible even during the day and would remain in the night sky for months or even years.



More to come...

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You mean this guy?


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One of my favorites.

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..."Another possible scenario exists: Betelgeuse may have already gone supernova, but we just don’t know it yet because its light has not reached us!

Scientists have not precisely determined how far the star is from us, although the commonly accepted distance is 430 light-years. New measurements taken last year, however, increased the distance to 640 light-years.3 Let’s take a look at these figures.

Suppose we say that the light from the supernova will reach us sometime during 2012, as alternative science researcher Richard C. Hoagland has suggested.4 The date just three years in the future is, of course, the much-debated end of the current cycle of the Mayan Calendar. It is significant that Betelgeuse achieves midnight culmination (or highest point in the sky when the star crosses the observer’s meridian) each December 21st, the winter solstice—the exact date of the calendar’s conclusion.

If we assume that the light from the stellar detonation has been traveling for 430 years, it means that the supernova actually happened in 1582 AD—nearly a century after that watershed in history that forever altered the fate of the indigenous peoples of the Americas: that is, the “discovery” of the “New World” by Columbus with all its ensuing misery, enslavement, and genocide.

But what important event occurred specifically in 1582? It was, in fact, the year Pope Gregory XIII rejected the Julian calendar and imposed his Gregorian calendar on the world. According to some scholars of the Maya, the use of this new calendar causes us to be estranged from the natural and spiritual rhythms of the cosmos.

“The Mayan calendar can be used as a system of divination, but is also an entire cosmology. The Mayan calendar was designed to synchronize life patterns with earth cycles, biological cycles and celestial/galactic cycles. Its use triggers a growth and unfoldment of our personal awareness and potential.

The Mayans teach that our current calendar system –the Gregorian system imposed by Pope Gregory XIII in 1582– is out of sync with our biological rhythms, planetary electro-magnetic fields and many celestial cycles. The use of our current calendar system is said to encourage disharmony by throwing humanity out of sync with the living biosphere of the earth. Synchronization with our unnatural calendar has, according to the Mayans, caused humanity to declare war, worship materialism and pollute the planet. We have thus become the enemy of the very biosphere that we depend on for our survival.

The employment of this mechanistic calendar paved the way for the Industrial Revolution and what the prophetic poet and visionary artist William Blake called the “dark Satanic Mills.” He also warned against physical cause-and-effect determinism, reductionism, and excessive rationality: “May God us keep From Single vision & Newtons sleep.”

This clockwork universe brought us into the realm of gross corporality and linear temporality, where time is money, and, as the bard Bob Dylan has sung, “money doesn’t talk—it swears.”
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So lemme get this straight, you expect Sirius to fly through our solar system soon?

Even though its the same place it was 50 years ago?

Or are you saying Nibiru orbits Sirius?
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Even though its the same place it was 50 years ago?
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Everything you see is in motion. This statement is just not true no matter what your point is AC.
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So lemme get this straight, you expect Sirius to fly through our solar system soon?

Even though its the same place it was 50 years ago?

Or are you saying Nibiru orbits Sirius?
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No, I don't believe or think that.

This thread is mainly about Betelgeuse and whether a supernova of Betelgeuse may be the Red Kachina of Hopi prophesy.

I have also considered that Sirius may be the Blue star Kachina. Perhaps they interact some how?
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Even though its the same place it was 50 years ago?
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Everything you see is in motion. This statement is just not true no matter what your point is AC.
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Yes. Thank you for explaining that.

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So lemme get this straight, you expect Sirius to fly through our solar system soon?

Even though its the same place it was 50 years ago?

Or are you saying Nibiru orbits Sirius?
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No, I don't believe or think that.

This thread is mainly about Betelgeuse and whether a supernova of Betelgeuse may be the Red Kachina of Hopi prophesy.

I have also considered that Sirius may be the Blue star Kachina. Perhaps they interact some how?

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Yes they do.

But somehow i think the Hopi Prophecy is kinda a scam.
Just read what they say again and again, yes almost like the bible.
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Even though its the same place it was 50 years ago?
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Everything you see is in motion. This statement is just not true no matter what your point is AC.
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Yes. Thank you for explaining that.

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I love your avatar.
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Thanks Seer777. It reminds me of fractals.

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Could there be a relationship between Sirius A and Betelgeuse?
Can a binary mass transfer happen at these distances?
Could one effect the other?
Why does Betelgeuse appear to change shape and size?
Would a supernova of Betelgeuse cause problems on Earth?
Could a supernova open a wormhole?
Can supernova occur more than once?
 Quoting: Seer777


Excellent and intriguing ideas, OP, well done! The red and blue colors are obvious ancient color star markers - now that you point them out. One of those "now why didn't I think of that" moments.

Could one effect the other? Probably, through the hyperdimensional torsion fields that connect the stars.

As for a mass transfer, probably not as it is too large a distance, but as ripples and interactions in hyperdimensional fields of energy, absolutely. Also as blasts of hyperdimensional energy in the case of a supernova explosion.

I believe a nova can happen more than once, as successive layers are blown off of the star, because an intact an sometimes fairly large star is left after the nova explosion of the outer shell. But a supernova is so tremendous, I doubt much would be left to form a future nova.

And one more thing - if we are being visited by beings with faster-than-light travel capabilities (or if we secretly developed it ourselves), then "ancient" prophecies could have been seeded into cultures about Betelgeuse exploding because, to those with FTL ships, they already saw it happen. In which case, we're just waiting for the light (and hyperdimensional effects) of the blast to reach us at the speed of light.

And who knows - maybe some hyperdimensional effects are faster than light, and have already reached us, and are having all sorts of effects we don't recognize, coming from a star we don't know has already exploded.
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Yes they do.

But somehow i think the Hopi Prophecy is kinda a scam.
Just read what they say again and again, yes almost like the bible.
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So you believe they interact some how? Care to elaborate?


I believe that Hopi Prophesy is authentic. I believe there are too many other cultures, ancient and otherwise, with the same cycle of destruction and re-birth in their myths.

In other words the story always seems to end the same way no matter where you look.

Prophesy isn't prophesy if it's predictable.
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Could there be a relationship between Sirius A and Betelgeuse?
Can a binary mass transfer happen at these distances?
Could one effect the other?
Why does Betelgeuse appear to change shape and size?
Would a supernova of Betelgeuse cause problems on Earth?
Could a supernova open a wormhole?
Can supernova occur more than once?
 Quoting: Seer777


Excellent and intriguing ideas, OP, well done! The red and blue colors are obvious ancient color star markers - now that you point them out. One of those "now why didn't I think of that" moments.

Could one effect the other? Probably, through the hyperdimensional torsion fields that connect the stars.

As for a mass transfer, probably not as it is too large a distance, but as ripples and interactions in hyperdimensional fields of energy, absolutely. Also as blasts of hyperdimensional energy in the case of a supernova explosion.

I believe a nova can happen more than once, as successive layers are blown off of the star, because an intact an sometimes fairly large star is left after the nova explosion of the outer shell. But a supernova is so tremendous, I doubt much would be left to form a future nova.
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Thank you. I am so happy you responded to this. I have been working on this for a few days. When I was watching Sirius last night I made the connection.

Yes, the binary Mass Transfer does not make a lot of sense due to distance, but I used it as an illustration for how these two stars may affect each other some how. Possibly at predictable intervals.





And one more thing - if we are being visited by beings with faster-than-light travel capabilities (or if we secretly developed it ourselves), then "ancient" prophecies could have been seeded into cultures about Betelgeuse exploding because, to those with FTL ships, they already saw it happen. In which case, we're just waiting for the light (and hyperdimensional effects) of the blast to reach us at the speed of light.

And who knows - maybe some hyperdimensional effects are faster than light, and have already reached us, and are having all sorts of effects we don't recognize, coming from a star we don't know has already exploded.
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Plausible.

I am more apt to believe that our ancestors witnesses and passed down this knowledge of the cyclical cycles on this Planet through myth, architecture, calendars, history, and the like.
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Well Lou Famoso Near death experience the angels said look to the Orion and you would know when the new earth is here. I looked out into the sky a few nights ago and just above the mountain a beautiful and amazing star what I believe to be Sirius was looking like a huge diamond. Brilliant blue and red colors I saw and white as it changed colors. Its an amazing star.
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Well Lou Famoso Near death experience the angels said look to the Orion and you would know when the new earth is here. I looked out into the sky a few nights ago and just above the mountain a beautiful and amazing star what I believe to be Sirius was looking like a huge diamond. Brilliant blue and red colors I saw and white as it changed colors. Its an amazing star.
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Yes! I have posted his account a couple of time last week. Great connection! I will post it here for ease.

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Louis Fomoso NDE

The following is a "Life After Death" (LAD) experience of Louis Famoso in the year of Our Lord 1963, from a car accident.
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While drifting through ORION, I noticed two blazing celestial bodies racing parallel to its center, looking as twin arrows exiting from an archers bow and headed straight for the "Blue Marble" of home. Immediately, a vision of millions of people crying because of the devastation of portions of New York City came to me. I became aware of a strange feeling I had not known previously, and I thought that might be because this was the city I had grown up in. I saw a huge earthquake, a magnitude of 8.6 in someplace named EUREKA. A ham operator or radio announcer was directing thousands of people migrating from areas of frequent disasters to places of safety. A space station appeared to be falling from the heavens because of an internal explosion. Missiles were being simultaneously fired into space from several nations.

The sun was expanding and spewing off huge ecto-plasma balls, more then it has ever done in its past, and in the very direction the planets would orbit through. I could not take my eyes from the Earth and as I watched what effect these eruptions would have on the Earth.

A large mass passed me, larger then any of the planets known to me, and as it passes, I see the Earth wobble wildly as would a top toward the end of its spin.

The rotation stopped and slowly started (3 days of Darkness) again but it was tilted now and I was drawn in closer like the zoom of a lens.


The ash clouds that had engulfed the Earth thinned, and like a tack welded piece of metal being dismantled, I could see the ocean bodies starting to rise - first the Pacific along the "Ring of Fire", then the others, synchronistical.

As the waters shifted upon the landmasses, the landmasses started to sink under the waters added pressure upon it. When the pressures equaled out, to the spin of the changing axis, the Earth no longer looked as it did moments before. It was newer, cleaner, more beautiful with darker greens and lighter blues. Some of the new landmasses looked similar to a few of the other planets I had recently visited with Michael.

People were upon this Earth and appeared happier and more content although seemingly living like the native populations of old.

Cities, built by the Ancient Ones, that were buried beneath the oceans, were now being populated by the surviving people in this new world. I saw tribes joining tribes and small nations forming, but it was what I didn't see that made my heart burst. There were no more wars. True peace and happiness had finally befallen on humankind.



Gabriel now tells me that this is his message that I must take back, to let others know that there is little to fear, for the Earth will go on forever as did all the planets I had visited.








I am to tell the world to look to ORION and they will know when the new world will come upon them.







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Re: Could Betelguese be The Red Kachina? Sirus A the Blue Kachina?
Yes they do.

But somehow i think the Hopi Prophecy is kinda a scam.
Just read what they say again and again, yes almost like the bible.
 Quoting: ChuulRa 6556866


So you believe they interact some how? Care to elaborate?


I believe that Hopi Prophesy is authentic. I believe there are too many other cultures, ancient and otherwise, with the same cycle of destruction and re-birth in their myths.

In other words the story always seems to end the same way no matter where you look.

Prophesy isn't prophesy if it's predictable.
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Those who return to the ways given to us in the original teaching and live a natural way of life (The 10 Commandments) will not be touched by the coming of the Purifier. They will survive and build a new world, ( Yes and do everything as before ) only in the ancient teachings will they have the ability to understand the messages to be found

Well you call this Prophecy because it will happen again and again.

I call this Prison.

"All stars are build in a energy band like your brain synapses"

Look how they both are in a line without a middle star so yes they will interact with each other.
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"All stars are build in a energy band like your brain synapses"

Look how they both are in a line without a middle star so yes they will interact with each other.
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Indeed.

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I have been happily sitting back in the shadows, reading the exchanges here.

Thank you.

The consideration of a past Nova is intriguing, as is the posit that some message could have been transferred from a future age.

Now, a thought just came to me. When our sun sends out a CME, it is known that certain particles can reach us in minutes, while the remainder takes days.

If betelguese has already gone (super)nova, couldn't that inital process have sent visible particles our way fairly quickly, leaving the rest to be seen at speed of light? That could explain the origin of the Hopi prophesy?

Personally, I rather see both betelguese and sirius remain right where they are, for all of us to marvel at!

Threads such as this one make me wish I could contribute in a more educated manner, but, I am thankful for those of you who possess the knowledge I lack. Carry on, please...
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Interesting thread OP, i enjoyed the read!

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I have been happily sitting back in the shadows, reading the exchanges here.

Thank you.

The consideration of a past Nova is intriguing, as is the posit that some message could have been transferred from a future age.

Now, a thought just came to me. When our sun sends out a CME, it is known that certain particles can reach us in minutes, while the remainder takes days.

If betelguese has already gone (super)nova, couldn't that inital process have sent visible particles our way fairly quickly, leaving the rest to be seen at speed of light? That could explain the origin of the Hopi prophesy?

Threads such as this one make me wish I could contribute in a more educated manner, but, I am thankful for those of you who possess the knowledge I lack. Carry on, please...
hf
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Very interesting! Yes, I don't see why it couldn't be something very similar to that. I have read that it can take up to 4 days for the slower particles of the CME to reach Earth while light only takes approximately 8 minutes after it leaves the Sun.

I remember a thread the other day mentioning we were having a geomagnetic storm although NO CME had taken place recently. Apparently, There was a HUGE one which occurred sometime around October 22 which was suppose to hit us October 28.

If this geomagnetic storm which battered our magnetosphere a couple of days ago was in fact from the CME from October 22, then would that suggest something is causing it to move slower than usual through space toward Earth?


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I have been happily sitting back in the shadows, reading the exchanges here.

Thank you.

The consideration of a past Nova is intriguing, as is the posit that some message could have been transferred from a future age.

Now, a thought just came to me. When our sun sends out a CME, it is known that certain particles can reach us in minutes, while the remainder takes days.

If betelguese has already gone (super)nova, couldn't that inital process have sent visible particles our way fairly quickly, leaving the rest to be seen at speed of light? That could explain the origin of the Hopi prophesy?

Threads such as this one make me wish I could contribute in a more educated manner, but, I am thankful for those of you who possess the knowledge I lack. Carry on, please...
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Very interesting! Yes, I don't see why it couldn't be something very similar to that. I have read that it can take up to 4 days for the slower particles of the CME to reach Earth while light only takes approximately 8 minutes after it leaves the Sun.

I remember a thread the other day mentioning we were having a geomagnetic storm although NO CME had taken place recently. Apparently, There was a HUGE one which occurred sometime around October 22 which was suppose to hit us October 28.

If this geomagnetic storm which battered our magnetosphere a couple of days ago was in fact from the CME from October 22, then would that suggest something is causing it to move slower than usual through space toward Earth?


Thoughts?

hmm
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I remember hearing something about that, was it the auroras went as far south as Texas or was it Nebraska? I turned 1/4 century on the 22nd.

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I am more apt to believe that our ancestors witnesses and passed down this knowledge of the cyclical cycles on this Planet through myth, architecture, calendars, history, and the like.
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But there should be no difference between the two in reality. For example, high tech is used to swoop back faster than light to watch the supernova. But the supernova happens because of it's alignment with galactic energy cycles, which are surely reflected in the behavior of our star, and our planets, and the Earth.

In turn, these support reflections in human observations and higher consciousness mergngs with the natural world, and then are expressed in, as you said, " myth, architecture, calendars, history, and the like."

If advanced starfaring civilizations aren't some sort of Federal Borg, then despite their high technology, they would have to respect and honor such cycles in order to not rip themselves apart with war. In fact, I believe truly high technology comes exactly from a very close alignment with, and intense respect for, natures rhythms.

And also, if technology is pursued from raping nature, it is inevitable that war will come from that raping mind, which will destroy the rapers sooner or later. True ignorance is the belief that karma can be avoided!
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Very nice.

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I remember hearing something about that, was it the auroras went as far south as Texas or was it Nebraska? I turned 1/4 century on the 22nd.
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We'll that's intriguing..."slower than usual."

That would suggest other fields out there that are skewing our notions of speed of light, or, ripples that divert and distort the continuum; my einstein protege brother would have loved to discuss this one with me! It's something easy enough to 'see' yet difficult to put into context. Unfortunately, I don't have the correct background or verbiage to start an elimination process.

I think that there have been more recent emissions of magnitude since October 28, but the crux of your idea would not change.

Someone recently posted a thread with a picture showing arrows pointing at a 'blacked-out' portion within Orion, on google sky, where the poster suggests that planet x/nirbiru is to be found approaching.

keep looking. Last night I was too comfy in bed to go look at sirius (?) when you posted the request...so I pinned it for future spying. It's been swampy foggy all day here in nyc, but, the sky will clear soon enough.



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imo if it gos bang it will look fantastic,but thats all
at that distance
ive read supernova give off gamma ray bursts,but thats only a theory,if its true and we are in the fireing line its game over

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Thanks for the pin!

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After the red auroras occurred in Southern latitudes in October, I stumbled across a webpage which described in detail the different lore and myths of the ancient peoples regarding RED auroras.

Red auroras it seems are usually seen in the more Southern latitudes like what we had a few weeks ago.

The article described several different cultures and there fear of the Red aurora. It seems it was adopted in the Middle Ages to foretell of Great War coming.

Unfortunately, I can't find that webpage I described after an exhaustive search. I am going to keep looking for it for a bit.

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