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Could Betelguese be The Red Kachina? Sirus A the Blue Kachina?

 
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After the red auroras occurred in Southern latitudes in October, I stumbled across a webpage which described in detail the different lore and myths of the ancient peoples regarding RED auroras.

Red auroras it seems are usually seen in the more Southern latitudes like what we had a few weeks ago.

The article described several different cultures and there fear of the Red aurora. It seems it was adopted in the Middle Ages to foretell of Great War coming.

Unfortunately, I can't find that webpage I described after an exhaustive search. I am going to keep looking for it for a bit.

Be back.
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Found it!

One of Sickscents links...go figure. I recommend the whole blog

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[link to thunderbolts.info]

The Coming of the Sky Dancers

Apr 06, 2009
The message is increasingly clear: auroras can be extremely violent events.

Today’s auroras are a relatively peaceful phenomenon – whether they take the form of gently dancing curtains of light, a quiescent, reddish ‘cloud’, or spectacular rays of light, they are more likely to enthrall than terrorise the people watching from polar latitudes. Appearances can be misleading, as scientists are finding out in recent years.

Modern research on the potential effects of intense solar Coronal Mass Ejections (CMEs) on the earth and an ever-growing awareness of the possibility of extreme geomagnetic storms seem to rekindle interest in the so-called ‘Carrington Event’ of 1859, when “skies all over planet Earth erupted in red, green, and purple auroras”, causing severe damage to the telegraph networks of the time. Between then and 1958, altogether 6 well-documented auroras were strong enough to be visible within 30º or indeed 20º of the equator.

Crucially, various peoples have preserved memories of the potential intensity of the polar lights. Motifs that specialists in folklore and religions routinely dismiss as quaint curiosities of a superstitious past can equally be read as cultural adaptations of genuine and reliable recollections of natural events. Such motifs typically postulate an intimate connection of the auroras with divine beings or ‘ancestors’ and times when the world passed through a phase of destruction and renewed creation.

For example, in North America, the northern lights are commonly conceived as a display of the gods dancing across the firmament. The Ottawa people, of Michigan, Ontario, and Oklahoma, regard the auroras as a sign of the presence of the creator, Nanahboozko, who retreated to his “permanent home farther north” in the wake of the creation. For the Klamath, of southern Oregon, the polar region was also the place whence the creator had come originally:

“Long, long ago Kemush created the world. Morning Star called him from the ashes of the Northern Lights and told him to make the world.” (Phoenix?)

The original inhabitants of southeast Australia, when interviewed during the 19th century, displayed a marked fear of the southern lights. To the Wotjobaluk, of central-western Victoria, as well as the Ngarigo, closer to Canberra, the aurora “signified … that, at some great distance, a number of blacks were being slaughtered, and that the Aurora colour is the blood rising up to the sky.”

Upon its appearance, the Kurnai, of the Gippsland region, would be “shouting such words as ‘Send it away; do not let it burn us up.’” Far from being overly imaginative fantasies arising from the red hue of the Aurora Australis, such visceral reactions rooted in traumatic memories of a time when the aurora “filled the whole space between the earth and the sky”, precipitating floods, collective madness and the final departure of the creator from the earth.

The latter, known as Mungan-ngaua or ‘our father,' “long ago … lived on the earth”, but when the ancestors of the Kurnai provoked him,

“he sent his fire, the Aurora Australis, which filled the whole space between the earth and the sky. Men went mad with fear, and speared each other, fathers killing their children, husbands their wives, and brethren each other. Then the sea rushed over the land and nearly all mankind was drowned. … Mungun left the earth, and ascended to the sky where he still remains.”
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omg his near death experience is exactly the same as the conclusion i have come to about pole reversal , and all the land mass that was not underwater ie atlantis and the rest will surface after poleshift ... also there is four corners of the earth , where all the deapest of the water is held back by gravity ...when the earth stops the water flows but it will flow away from the four corners .... and i know where they are . ive mentioned many a time on here but you fucks just laugh me off ...

also i said the earth will stop and it will turn the other way ... everything i have said on here and been aughed at cos my english isnt great , this man has been shown in his nde ... good look with you fecking blue star
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..."Another possible scenario exists: Betelgeuse may have already gone supernova, but we just don’t know it yet because its light has not reached us!

Scientists have not precisely determined how far the star is from us, although the commonly accepted distance is 430 light-years. New measurements taken last year, however, increased the distance to 640 light-years.3 Let’s take a look at these figures.

Suppose we say that the light from the supernova will reach us sometime during 2012, as alternative science researcher Richard C. Hoagland has suggested.4 The date just three years in the future is, of course, the much-debated end of the current cycle of the Mayan Calendar. It is significant that Betelgeuse achieves midnight culmination (or highest point in the sky when the star crosses the observer’s meridian) each December 21st, the winter solstice—the exact date of the calendar’s conclusion.

If we assume that the light from the stellar detonation has been traveling for 430 years, it means that the supernova actually happened in 1582 AD—nearly a century after that watershed in history that forever altered the fate of the indigenous peoples of the Americas: that is, the “discovery” of the “New World” by Columbus with all its ensuing misery, enslavement, and genocide.

But what important event occurred specifically in 1582? It was, in fact, the year Pope Gregory XIII rejected the Julian calendar and imposed his Gregorian calendar on the world. According to some scholars of the Maya, the use of this new calendar causes us to be estranged from the natural and spiritual rhythms of the cosmos.

“The Mayan calendar can be used as a system of divination, but is also an entire cosmology. The Mayan calendar was designed to synchronize life patterns with earth cycles, biological cycles and celestial/galactic cycles. Its use triggers a growth and unfoldment of our personal awareness and potential.

The Mayans teach that our current calendar system –the Gregorian system imposed by Pope Gregory XIII in 1582– is out of sync with our biological rhythms, planetary electro-magnetic fields and many celestial cycles. The use of our current calendar system is said to encourage disharmony by throwing humanity out of sync with the living biosphere of the earth. Synchronization with our unnatural calendar has, according to the Mayans, caused humanity to declare war, worship materialism and pollute the planet. We have thus become the enemy of the very biosphere that we depend on for our survival.

The employment of this mechanistic calendar paved the way for the Industrial Revolution and what the prophetic poet and visionary artist William Blake called the “dark Satanic Mills.” He also warned against physical cause-and-effect determinism, reductionism, and excessive rationality: “May God us keep From Single vision & Newtons sleep.”

This clockwork universe brought us into the realm of gross corporality and linear temporality, where time is money, and, as the bard Bob Dylan has sung, “money doesn’t talk—it swears.”
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This is enough proof for me.

Betelguese is the red kachina.

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omg his near death experience is exactly the same as the conclusion i have come to about pole reversal , and all the land mass that was not underwater ie atlantis and the rest will surface after poleshift ... also there is four corners of the earth , where all the deapest of the water is held back by gravity ...when the earth stops the water flows but it will flow away from the four corners .... and i know where they are . ive mentioned many a time on here but you fucks just laugh me off ...

also i said the earth will stop and it will turn the other way ... everything i have said on here and been aughed at cos my english isnt great , this man has been shown in his nde ... good look with you fecking blue star
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At first it sounded like you were agreeing with my conclusions. However, now I'm not so sure.

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Pole Reversal is a certainty as far as I am concerned. However, it is only ONE piece of the puzzle.

Other cultures refer to it as well. The 3 Day of Darkness in Revelation AND one of the 10 Plagues of Egypt.
Thread: The Kolbrin. The Egyptians ACCOUNT of The Destroyer, Parting of the "RED" Sea, Ten Plauges of Egypt, Burning bush.Passover, Enoch, Watchers

Also, the Hopi said the Earth "would return to it's natural rotation which is anti-clockwise."

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Startling connections OP.

You maybe on to something.

Although I do not believe it will be the end of the world because the New World Order plan to enter the stage in late 2012 and possibly WW3 right after.
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omg his near death experience is exactly the same as the conclusion i have come to about pole reversal , and all the land mass that was not underwater ie atlantis and the rest will surface after poleshift ... also there is four corners of the earth , where all the deapest of the water is held back by gravity ...when the earth stops the water flows but it will flow away from the four corners .... and i know where they are . ive mentioned many a time on here but you fucks just laugh me off ...

also i said the earth will stop and it will turn the other way ... everything i have said on here and been aughed at cos my english isnt great , this man has been shown in his nde ... good look with you fecking blue star
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At first it sounded like you were agreeing with my conclusions. However, now I'm not so sure.

scratching

Pole Reversal is a certainty as far as I am concerned. However, it is only ONE piece of the puzzle.
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sorry mate im on about the guy who had the nde Lou Famoso Near death experience , what he was shown is exactly the conclusion i have come to as to what is gona happen , ive even said on hear the earth stops .. ie 3 days of darkness , as the poles flip ... then the earth will spin the other way and the water will settle as it was before , atlantis and all the ancient land masses which are now piles of shit will surface and alot of mass that is now dry will go under .. there are four safe spots .. or reasonably save ..one is peru , one is off the coast of ireland , little atlantis ...

the other 2 i have forgot
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Startling connections OP.

You maybe on to something.

Although I do not believe it will be the end of the world because the New World Order plan to enter the stage in late 2012 and possibly WW3 right after.
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Louis Fomoso NDE

I am to tell the world to look to ORION and they will know when the new world will come upon them.
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Yes - 1964 was the year... I was 6 when Lou had his journey! My sig carries his link for all to read.
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Louis Fomoso NDE

I am to tell the world to look to ORION and they will know when the new world will come upon them.
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Yes - 1964 was the year... I was 6 when Lou had his journey! My sig carries his link for all to read.
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Together we stand.




Louis Fomoso is but one of a plethora 'prophets' who described our "End Age" event(s).

It's everywhere.

Here are just a few:

From this thread:
Thread: Tracking Nibiru throughout history

I have done a ton of research and I have linked together myth, archeology, and history to make up a full picture.

Here is some of what I have found:

Kolbrin Bible (Egyptian Great Book) and other excerpts.
CRT:3:1 It is known, and the story comes down from ancient times, that there was not one creation but two, a creation ad a re-creation. It is a known to the wise that the Earth was utterly destroyed once, then reborn on a second wheel of creation.

CRT:3:2 At the time of the great destruction of Earth, God caused a dragon from out of Heaven to come and encompass her about. The dragon was frightful to behold; it lashed its tail, it breathed out fire and hot coals, and a great catastrophe was inflicted upon mankind. The body of the dragon was wreathed in a cold bright light and beneath, on the belly, was a ruddy hued glow, while behind it trailed a flowing tail of smoke. It spewed out cinders and hot stones, and its breath was foul and stenchful, poisoning the nostrils of men. Its passage caused great thunderings and lightnings to rend the thick darkened sky, all Heaven and Earth being made hot. The seas were loosed from their cradles and rose up, pouring across the land. There was an awful, shrilling trumpeting, which outpowered even the howling of the unleashed winds.


Mother Shipton:

A fiery dragon will cross the sky
six times before the earth shall die.
Mankind will tremble and frightened be
for the six heralds in this prophecy.

For seven days and seven nights
man will watch this awesome sight.
The tides will rise beyond their ken.
To bite away the shores and then
the mountains will begin to roar
and earthquakes split the plain to shore.

And flooding waters rushing in,
will flood the lands with such a din
that mankind cowers in muddy fen
and snarls about his fellow men.

Merlin: "The seas shall rise up in the twinkling of an eye, and the dust(memory) of the ancients shall be restored." The Prophecies of Merlin

Edgar Cayce:The Earth will be broken up in the Western Portion of America. The Greater portion of Japan must go into the sea. The upper portion of Europe will be changed as in the twinkling on an eye.

The Bible Matthew 24:30 At that time the sign of the Son(SUN) of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory.
Revelation 18:
18 Then there came flashes of lightning, rumblings, peals of thunder and a severe earthquake. No earthquake like it has ever occurred since mankind has been on earth, so tremendous was the quake. The great city split into three parts, and the cities of the nations collapsed.... Every island fled away and the mountains could not be found.

The Bible Matthew 24:37-39

37. But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

38. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark,

39. And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
I am wondering if when Jesus said this he actually meant "SUN" of man. Otherwise it doesn't really make sense. In the Bible it talks about us being the "children of God" why would there be a great returning of a "son" of man. The ancient Egyptians worshiped the "SUN DISC", Ra. He was their highest deity.

The Bible
Revelation 6:
12 I looked when He opened the sixth seal, and behold,[e] there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became like blood. 13 And the stars of heaven fell to the earth, as a fig tree drops its late figs when it is shaken by a mighty wind. 14 Then the sky receded as a scroll when it is rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved out of its place. 15 And the kings of the earth, the great men, the rich men, the commanders,[g] the mighty men, every slave and every free man, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains, 16 and said to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! 17 For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?”

Nostrdamus:
C.1 Q.046
Tout au pres d'aux de Lestore et Mirande…… Very near Auch, Lectoure and Mirande
Grand feu du ciel entrois nuicts tumbera…….. a great fire will fall from the sky for three nights
Cause aduiendra bien stupende et mirande… The cause will appear both stupefying and marvellous
Bien peu apres la terre tremblera……….....…… shortly afterwards there will be an earthquake.
ApparoiStra vers le Septentrion…………… There will appear towards the North

Non loing de Cancer l'eStoille cheuelue…... Not far from Cancer the bearded star
Suze Sienne Boece Eretrion……………….. Susa , Siena , Boeotia , Eretria ,
Mourra de Rome grand la nuict diSperue….. The great one of Rome will die, the night over.

C.6 Q.97
Cinq et quarante degres ciel bruslera……... At forty-five degrees the sky will burn,
Feu approcher de la grand cite neufue….…. Fire to approach the great new city:
Instant grand flamme esparse sautera….… In an instant a great scattered flame will leap up
Quant on voudra des Normans faire preuue.. When one will want to demand proof of the Normans .

The Bible
Joel 2:
30 “ And I will show wonders in the heavens and in the earth:
Blood and fire and pillars of smoke.
31 The sun shall be turned into darkness,
And the moon into blood,
Before the coming of the great and awesome day of the LORD.



CRT:3:3 Men, stricken with terror, went mad at the awful sight in the Heavens. They were loosed from their senses and dashed about, crazed, not knowing what they did The breath was sucked from their bodies, and they were burnt with a strange ash.

Mother Shipton
He bares his teeth and fights and kills
and secrets food in secret hill
and ugly in his fear, he lies
to kill marauders, thieves and spies.

Man flees in terror from the floods
and kills, and rapes and lies in blood
and spilling blood by mankind's hand
will stain and bitter many lands.

CRT:3:4 Then it passed, leaving Earth enwrapped within a dark and glowering mantle, which was ruddily lit up inside. The bowels of the Earth were torn open in great, writhing upheavals, and a howling whirlwind rent the mountains apart. The wrath of the sky-monster was loosed in the Heavens. It lashed about in flaming fury, roaring like a thousand thunders; it poured down fiery destruction aid a welter of thick black blood. So awesome was the fearfully aspected thing that the memory mercifully departed from man; his thoughts were smothered under a cloud of forgetfulness.


Mother Shipton:
And when the dragon's tail is gone
man forgets and smiles and carries on.
To apply himself - too late, too late
for mankind has earned deserved fate.

His masked smile, his false grandeur,
will serve the gods their anger stir
and they will send the dragon back
to light the sky - his tail will crack.
Upon the earth and rend the earth
and man shall flee, king, lord and serf.


CRT:3:5 The Earth vomited forth great gusts of foul breath from awful mouths opening up in the land. The evil breath bit at the throat before it drove men mad and killed them. Those who did not die in this manner were smothered under a cloud of red dust and ashes, or were swallowed by the yawning mouths of Earth or crushed beneath crashing rocks.



Nostradamus: red hail covering the earth.-VIII.77
Merlin: A shower of blood shall fall, and a dire famine shall afflict mankind. The Red One will grieve for what has happened, but after an immense effort it will regain its strength.
Revelation 21

21 From the sky huge hailstones, each weighing about a hundred pounds,[a] fell on people. And they cursed God on account of the plague of hail, because the plague was so terrible.

Many, many times the word "RED" is used in these prophesies. Red, red, red. Why red? Because the 10th planet is known to be composed completely of iron. Iron oxide is red. The Red color is a huge sign for many of the prophets. When NIRUBU has been photographed it is completely enveloped in a red "cloud" of dust, and iron chunks"

The Hopi call it The Red Kachina. Many others call it the "Red Dragon" The iron oxide will stain the sea and land.

CRT:3:6 The first sky-monster was joined by another, which swallowed the tail of the one going before, but the two could not be seen at once. The sky-monsters reigned and raged above the Earth, doing battle to possess it, but the manly-bladed sword of God cut them to pieces, and their falling bodies enlarged the land and the sea.

This sounds very similar to the myth about the fall of "Lucifer". Lucifer means what? Morning star. Why morning star, because "the Destroyer(10th planet)" is only visible on the horizon lines(sunrise, sunset). Second sun, the sun god, Sun disc, Ra, Aten, I could go on and on with this.

CRT:3:7 In this manner, the first Earth was destroyed by calamity descending from out of the skies. The vaults of Heaven had opened to bring forth monsters more fearsome than any that ever hunted the uneasy dreams of men.


CRT:3:8 Men and their dwelling places were gone; only sky-boulders and red earth remained where once they were, but amidst all of the desolation, a few survived, for man is not easily destroyed. They crept out of caves and came down from the mountainsides. Their eyes were wild, and their limbs trembled; their bodies' shook, and their tongues lacked control. Their faces were twisted, and the skin hung loose on their bones. They were as maddened wild beasts driven into an enclosure before flames; they knew no law, being deprived of all the wisdom they once had, and those who guided them were gone.

Mother Shipton:
But the land that rises from the sea
will be dry and clean and soft and free.
Of mankind's dirt and therefore be,
the source of man's new dynasty.
and those that live will ever fear
the dragon's tail for many year
but time erases memory
You think it strange. but it will be.



CRT:3:9 The Earth, only true Altar of God, had offered up a sacrifice of life and sorrow to atone for the sins of mankind. Man had not sinned in deed, but in the things he had failed to do. Man suffers not only for what he does, but for what he fails to do. He is not chastised for making mistakes, but for failing to recognize and rectify them.
I thought this passage is incredibly powerful.


CRT:3:10 Then the great canopy of dust and cloud, which encompassed the Earth, enshrouding it in heavy darkness, was pierced by ruddy light, and the canopy swept down in great cloudbursts and raging storm waters. Cool moon-tears were shed for the distress of Earth and the woes of men.


CRT:3:11 When the light of the Sun pierced the Earth's shroud, bathing the land in its revitalizing glory, the Earth again knew day, for there were times of light and times of darkness. The smothering canopy rolled away, and the vaults of Heaven became visible to man. The foul air was purified, and new air clothed the reborn Earth, shielding her from the dark hostile void of Heaven.

CRT:3:12 The rainstorms ceased to beat upon the faces of the land, and the waters stilled their turmoil. Earthquakes no longer tore the Earth open, nor was it burned and buried by hot rocks. The landmasses were re-established in stability and solidity, standing firm in the midst of the surrounding waters. The oceans fell back to their assigned places, and the land stood steady upon its foundations. The Sun shown upon land and sea, and life was renewed upon the face of the Earth. Rain fell gently once more, and clouds of fleece floated across day skies.

CRT:3:13 The waters were purified, the sediment sank and life increased in abundance. Life was renewed, but it was different. Man survived, but he was not the same. The Sun was not as it had been, and a moon had been taken away.

This is indicative of a pole shift. The sun, our sun rises in the East and sets in the West. If we experience a pole shirt some have theorized that our current North pole will face NW. This would technically give us a new view of the Heavens.


Mother Shipton
And in some far - off distant land
some men - oh such a tiny band
will have to leave their solid mount
and span the earth, those few to count.

Who survives this then
begin the human race again.
But not on land already there,
but on ocean beds, stark, dry and bare.

Not every soul on earth will die,
as the dragon's tail goes sweeping by,
not every land on earth will sink,
but these will wallow in stench and stink,
of rotting bodies of beast and man,
of vegetation crisped on land.

But the land that rises from the sea
will be dry and clean and soft and free.
Of mankind's dirt and therefore be,
the source of man's new dynasty.
and those that live will ever fear
the dragon's tail for many year
but time erases memory
You think it strange. but it will be.


CRT:3:13 cont. Man stood in the midst of renewal and regeneration. He looked up into the Heavens above in fear for the awful powers of destruction lurking there. Henceforth, the placid skies would hold a terrifying secret.

CRT:3:14 Man found the new Earth firm and the Heavens fixed. He rejoiced, but also feared, for he lived in dread that the Heavens would again bring forth monsters and crash about him.

CRT:3:15 When men came forth from their hiding places and refuges, the world their fathers had known was gone forever. The face of the land was changed, and Earth was littered with rocks and stones, which had fallen when the structure of Heaven collapsed. One generation groped in the desolation and gloom, and as the thick darkness was dispelled, its children believed they were witnessing a new creation. Time passed, memory dimmed and the record of events was no longer clear. Generation followed generation, and as the ages unfolded, new tongues and new tales replaced the old.


Mother Shipton:
And before the race is built anew,
a silver serpent comes to view
and spew out men of like unknown
to mingle with the earth now grown
cold from its heat and these men can
enlighten the minds of future man
to intermingle and show them how
to live and love and thus endow.
the children with the second sight.
a natural thing so that they might
grow graceful, humble and when they do
the golden age will start anew.

Maya Long Date Calendar marks the end of one cycle and the "re-birth of the world".

An ancient Hopi Prophesy states, "When the Blue Star Kachina makes it's appearance in the Heavens, the Fifth world will emerge. The Great day of Purification.


Mother Shipton
The dragon's tail is but a sign
for mankind's fall and man's decline.
and before this prophecy is done
I shall be burned at the stake, at one
My body singed and my soul set free
You think I utter blasphemy
These things have come to me
this prophecy will come to be.

The Bible
Revelations 21:1-3
Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying,

"Now the dwelling of God is with men, and he will live with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God.
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Dont know if this is relevant, but how about that star that i saw recently...prob last year or so till this day that is flickering blue and red! Any ideas?
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Sirius B is Isis, and on New Years Day its standing right over head, while the sun is directly underneath at the stroke of midnight.

Redshift/Blueshift.

As Sirius B moves towards us its blue and then it becomes red moving away. This was noted in ancient documents. Its the only star that does that in the ancient documents.

Its our binary.

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Around 150 AD, the Hellenistic astronomer Claudius Ptolemy described Sirius as reddish, along with five other stars, Betelgeuse, Antares, Aldebaran, Arcturus and Pollux, all of which are clearly of orange or red hue.

The discrepancy was first noted by amateur astronomer Thomas Barker, squire of Lyndon Hall in Rutland, who prepared a paper and spoke at a meeting of the Royal Society in London in 1760.

The existence of other stars changing in brightness gave credence to the idea that some may change in color too; Sir John Herschel noted this in 1839, possibly influenced by witnessing Eta Carinae two years earlier. Thomas Jefferson Jackson He cited not only Ptolemy but also the poet Aratus, the orator Cicero, and general Germanicus as coloring the star red, though acknowledging that none of the latter three authors were astronomers, the last two merely translating Aratus' poem Phaenomena. Seneca, too, had described Sirius as being of a deeper red color than Mars. However, not all ancient observers saw Sirius as red.

The 1st century AD poet Marcus Manilius described it as "sea-blue", as did the 4th century Avienus. It is the standard star for the color white in ancient China, and multiple records from the 2nd century BC up to the 7th century AD all describe Sirius as white in hue.

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Some ancient observations of Sirius describe it as a red star. To the Romans this meant an angry god, and they are known to have sacrificed red dogs to this star. Today, Sirius A is bluish white. The possibility that stellar evolution of either Sirius A or Sirius B could be responsible for this discrepancy is rejected by astronomers on the grounds that the timescale of thousands of years is too short and that there is no sign of the nebulosity in the system that would be expected had such a change taken place.

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Re: Could Betelguese be The Red Kachina? Sirus A the Blue Kachina?
No. They're distant stars and they're not going to be getting any closer.
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Re: Could Betelguese be The Red Kachina? Sirus A the Blue Kachina?
Dont know if this is relevant, but how about that star that i saw recently...prob last year or so till this day that is flickering blue and red! Any ideas?
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Unless you can remember in what part of the sky you saw it AND a rough date, there would be no way to know.

However, that is EXACTLY what Sirius was doing last night. I am going to bump my Sirius thread from last night, after Sirius rises on the East Coast.
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all of them flickering colored lights are NOT stars.
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all of them flickering colored lights are NOT stars.
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I am aware of what you think NIP.

At this point in my life I am NOT ready to believe that these stars are space craft. I would need some of evidence other than your word. You have included your piece. Please don't use this thread to promote those theories.
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Yes, the binary Mass Transfer does not make a lot of sense due to distance, but I used it as an illustration...


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It may not make sense regarding your Betelguese theory.

But it makes sense regarding page 18 of your Kolbrin link:

"He taught him concerning the three rays from the central invisible sun,"



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all of them flickering colored lights are NOT stars.
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I am aware of what you think NIP.

At this point in my life I am NOT ready to believe that these stars are space craft. I would need some of evidence other than your word. You have included your piece. Please don't use this thread to promote those theories.
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yes I noticed you removed my posts. What you "believe" however, is not knowing. I will leave, not worth working with deaf ears. stars to not flash. Nor do they move around in the sky while you watch. i watched Sirius move a huge distance once with a friend who witnessed same. And several here watched Belegeuse move around last spring or so and flash colors. When you can allow yourself to see, you will and not before. It is a case of opening the consciousness. :its all good:
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all of them flickering colored lights are NOT stars.
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I am aware of what you think NIP.

At this point in my life I am NOT ready to believe that these stars are space craft. I would need some of evidence other than your word. You have included your piece. Please don't use this thread to promote those theories.
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Search google images for NIP.
lol
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I swear Betelgeuese has moved from where it should be, i have been watching for several years, i reckon it has moved toward the aldaberan direction substantially, impossible i know.
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When I first notice that blue/red flickering object it was south. Up until tonight when I went outside to look again after this thread, and now it is southeast.
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Sirius B is Isis, and on New Years Day its standing right over head, while the sun is directly underneath at the stroke of midnight.

Redshift/Blueshift.

As Sirius B moves towards us its blue and then it becomes red moving away. This was noted in ancient documents. Its the only star that does that in the ancient documents.

Its our binary.

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Around 150 AD, the Hellenistic astronomer Claudius Ptolemy described Sirius as reddish, along with five other stars, Betelgeuse, Antares, Aldebaran, Arcturus and Pollux, all of which are clearly of orange or red hue.

The discrepancy was first noted by amateur astronomer Thomas Barker, squire of Lyndon Hall in Rutland, who prepared a paper and spoke at a meeting of the Royal Society in London in 1760.

The existence of other stars changing in brightness gave credence to the idea that some may change in color too; Sir John Herschel noted this in 1839, possibly influenced by witnessing Eta Carinae two years earlier. Thomas Jefferson Jackson He cited not only Ptolemy but also the poet Aratus, the orator Cicero, and general Germanicus as coloring the star red, though acknowledging that none of the latter three authors were astronomers, the last two merely translating Aratus' poem Phaenomena. Seneca, too, had described Sirius as being of a deeper red color than Mars. However, not all ancient observers saw Sirius as red.

The 1st century AD poet Marcus Manilius described it as "sea-blue", as did the 4th century Avienus. It is the standard star for the color white in ancient China, and multiple records from the 2nd century BC up to the 7th century AD all describe Sirius as white in hue.

...


Some ancient observations of Sirius describe it as a red star. To the Romans this meant an angry god, and they are known to have sacrificed red dogs to this star. Today, Sirius A is bluish white. The possibility that stellar evolution of either Sirius A or Sirius B could be responsible for this discrepancy is rejected by astronomers on the grounds that the timescale of thousands of years is too short and that there is no sign of the nebulosity in the system that would be expected had such a change taken place.
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I have had a hard time with the "Stars that move" theory. Our stars are used as a road map through the Ages due to their predictable behavior. If the stars 'move' then it was our pole which moved. However, I think was you might be alluding to is the elusive Sirius C. Sirius C has yet to be formally discovered.

Although it was only discovered by the scientific community a mere fifty years ago, the Dogon tribes knew of Sirius B, which they described as a heavy, small, powerful star, as early as 5,000 years ago.

The Dogon priests described perfectly the DNA pattern made by the elliptical orbit created by Sirius A and B millenia before it was even discovered. It is not visible with the naked eye.

Sirius is the axis of the Universe,from it all souls and matter are produced in a great spiral motion. The third star Sirius C(Emme Ya)revolves around Sirius A,she(Sirius C)is the mother of the feminine essence. She is the Great mystery and corresponds to the Goddess Aset(Isis)
(all these beings would live in water)

Moor Dogon metaphysics concerning the Nommo.The Nommo pair=Water and hydrogen.The Nommo pair is always associated with the number 2 or 8(the numbers of the electron structure of water.).The same Dogon symbol that reprisents water also reprisent the burning rays of the sun. The sun is surrounded by a spiral of copper that has 8 turns.The electron structure of copper contains 2 electrons on its innermost rings,and 8 in the second ring. Modern science defines 8 spheres/zones that compose the sun. It's fire is the excrement of the Nommo pair. The burning of the sun involves the fusion of hydrogen atoms/atum.

We are Sirius A, B and C. After Sirius implements the supernatural heliacal tidal wave and shift, then the feminine principle will return, this is called Het Heru/Auset(Isis/sirius) in Khemet and the Shekinah in kaballah(the shekina glory that would be poured upon all men in the bible). Same earth different dimension.

THere is a satellite in orbit around the sun called S.O.H.O. monitoring something called Coronal Mass Ejections, huge blast of sun flares. the metaphysical work we do on earth is directly tied to the behavioral patterns on the sun.


Ancient sky watchers are said to have looked for Nibiru's grand arrival in the Constellation of Sagittarius/Ophiuchus. When it periodically returns to this part of the solar system, it sort of appears out of nowhere. Suddenly it's just up there, like a golden miniature sun with a long and fearsome cometary tail trailing along behind it and its host of satellites, hovering, dangling like a jewel over the earth's North Pole for a "millennium of the Gods."




A piercing bright red star appeared near Sirius in 25AD and the seemed to move around it before again disappearing. The Dogon, disconnected from the rest of the civilised world, interpreted this star as that of the Nommo, and thus believed that they had seen the invisible companion of Sirius appear in the sky.

Could this be alluding to Betelgeuse?

SiriusAB

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Re: Could Betelguese be The Red Kachina? Sirus A the Blue Kachina?
no they are not ........the red kachina is a brown dwarf star that comes real close and covers 20% of the sky when it passes by .......the blue Kachina comes about 3 1/2 years earlier
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Sirius is some distance from Betelgeuese, even though they are in the same viewing area, Betelgeuese was always slightly off to the side of forming a perfect cross if you take in orion and Rigel, but in the last year it is way off.
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Sirius is some distance from Betelgeuese, even though they are in the same viewing area, Betelgeuese was always slightly off to the side of forming a perfect cross if you take in orion and Rigel, but in the last year it is way off.
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Well, it does say this

A piercing bright red star appeared near Sirius in 25AD and the seemed to move around it before again disappearing.

Off how?
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So lemme get this straight, you expect Sirius to fly through our solar system soon?

Even though its the same place it was 50 years ago?

Or are you saying Nibiru orbits Sirius?
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No, I don't believe or think that.

This thread is mainly about Betelgeuse and whether a supernova of Betelgeuse may be the Red Kachina of Hopi prophesy.

I have also considered that Sirius may be the Blue star Kachina. Perhaps they interact some how?
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Why don't you just ask a Hopi elder? Yes, you can even do this online.

But I suppose everyone's an expert except for the original people who coined the term.
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Why don't you just ask a Hopi elder? Yes, you can even do this online.


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Really? That's news to me.
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Scientists have not precisely determined how far the star is from us, although the commonly accepted distance is 430 light-years. New measurements taken last year, however, increased the distance to 640 light-years.3 Let’s take a look at these figures.


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Well thanks OP, I like what you think. You are on to something.

How can it be that scientists have an error of 50% in such short distance, being able to look millions of light years back? 430 / 640 lyrs is just around the corner.

Get deeper into the rabbit hole, perhaps GLP can point its telescopes to Sirius A for closer inspection or is this to far away?
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Why don't you just ask a Hopi elder? Yes, you can even do this online.


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Really? That's news to me.
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Really. peace
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In my readings and research on near death experiences I came across a lady who had died. She said the symbols were a dragon and a sccorpion in her room and they were talking to her. This sounds trippy but she said that she knew that there was something happening to the earth and that she was going to live along with her husband but alot of people would die. And it was Gods plan her and her husband were to take care of orphan children. She said she does not know when this will happen and really she said is hard to believe even for her but beleives if this is Gods plan it will happen. She said she knew when the middle east started blowing up last fall that this was the beginning of the tribulation so to speak. Which confirmed for me a vision that I saw last October of the birth pains starting. She said she could not reveal what was to happen exactly beause God told her not to say. (I am so curious I wish she would have told but I have a good idea)
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Oh, my!

This thread just keeps getting more and more interesting.

I wish I had a telescope.

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