This Person Says There is No Illuminati, it is all Technology.

In the Matrix there was no conspiracy, it was all technology.

Someone needs to run the machine.

In the Matrix it was AI. But the Outlaw person says that the people called "elite" are actually just managers, running the system the way it must be run, because there is no option as it is so technological.

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Politics are an absolutely nonsensical construct of the modern system, and I do not view them as having any relevance whatsoever, beyond the painfully obvious reality of their being a means to dazzle and baffle man into surrendering his personal power to an utterly impersonal megalith of dominance over his life. Politics were created by the system as simply a transitional phase between the age of personal autonomy and the age of total organization.

Obviously, man has an innate need to exercise control, or at least to perceive that he has the ability to exercise control, over the course of his own life. Politics are an abstraction of this reality, but an abstraction totally devoid of content.

Regardless of these realities, presently, the system is too utterly complex for any type of political system, no matter how arbitrary, to have any effect on the trajectory of progress. Any attempt by a political body to inject itself into the discourse of technological progress would simply result in chaos and if it was capable of being effective, end in the total collapse of the entire system, resulting in billions of deaths, as we must assume that man's desire to exercise political power stems from his dissatisfaction with the present system, and a desire to inject humanitarian sentiment into the inhuman system. As humanitarian sentiment is necessarily opposed to the nature of this system, nothing other than chaos could result.

We must also consider the absolute impossibility of what you are suggesting, given that it presupposes that man has the capacity to be objective within his absolutely conditioned state. The propaganda can certainly not be stopped, without totally destroying the entire organization of power on which the system necessarily functions, but we must also consider that the propaganda makes up only a very small portion of the conditioning process, as it simply augments the conditioning inherent in the individual's existence in the system itself, where all objects are artificial, and so all action and behavior, being a response to this artificiality, is conditioned in that context. To expect the common man of being even capable of understanding the basic realities of his situation is frankly insane, and we must admit that even if he were capable of developing such an understanding, he would be impotent to affect what is a foregone conclusion.

Lol, you didn´t get the matrix the AI, they were death programmers that become immortals.

I don't know I only watched the first one when it came out a decade ago. I see references of it constantly though and as I understood there were computers controlling people.

Still we do not have evidence of any conspiracy, other than simply that there are bad things happening and some people are profiting.

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The reality is that the dynamic of power more than allows for the continued progression of technique, outside of any secret conspiracy, and as this explanation is so vastly simpler, it should be taken as given over fantastical assertions regarding a secret plan.

There are a lot of elements involved here, but what it all comes down to is the anthropomorphizing of an observed series of complex events as having a human (or alien, reptilian, etc.) face.

The "Will to Power" develops in men within to context of the power dynamic of organized, hierarchical systems, as thus every drive is toward furthering power, which resulted in centralized control and ultimately in the development of the technological system, which is power made corporeal, as it were, and there is no singular human force capable of guiding this. Technology is the only thing calling the shots at this point. All of this conspiracy babble about secret elites amounts to a complex delusion, developed to allow people to understand an inhuman system in human terms; the propaganda implications are also terribly obvious, as the idea of individuals being responsible for all of this makes it utterly impossible to indict the system itself.

All of the people pointed out as "conspirators" are simply managing the present system of technological development, as when it is examined fully, and understood, it becomes clear that what is happening now is the only thing that could conceivably happen. You can disagree with managerial technique - the argument that they should rely less on violence and more on propaganda is possibly valid - but you cannot argue the necessity of a managing body to control such a complex and interdependent system. The communists discovered this dynamic when they tried to create their "classless society". Denying these obvious realities is simply an effect of conditioning, mainly through propaganda, although the incapacity of most human beings to understand a mechanism capable of driving a specific agenda without consultation of individuals plays a very large role in making the propaganda manageable.

As the reality of a managerial class is largely obvious, the conspiracy community then moves into either aliens, reptilians, or "secret ancient bloodlines". All of this is based on the same 'evidence' regarding the ubiquitous presence of ancient symbols of power, which does not amount to proof of aliens, reptilians or ancient secret bloodlines, given that symbolism of previous forms of power are always adapted by new incarnations of power; this is only logical. Power breeds with power, so the possibility of some manner of genetic relationships exists, but remains utterly irrelevant, and does nothing to prove that there is a "secret plan" beyond the continued development of techniques of control through the obvious and evident aspects of human nature. Any and all malevolence on the part of the ruling class results from the nature of power itself, which is again, absolutely necessary to maintain the functionality of a system based on absolute order. Whether or not a member of the managerial class gets off on the idea of dead Iraqi children is no more relevant than whether a factory worker is fantasizing about sex or video games while he pushes buttons and pulls levers.

Anyone involved in this system is no more or less "guilty" than the people running it. Blaming "secret elites" for the inhumanity of this system amounts to a childish need to moralize a reality which exists outside of any form of human morality.

I have elaborated on this extensively in the pages of this thread, so I won't repeat it all, but would be glad to debate any specific point, as this is one of the prime delusions of the conspiracy culture which prevents it from comprehending the reality situation.

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I met this guy he does not believe in aliens or anything. He is American and lives here in Asia.

We most certainly can’t have it both ways. If you want to keep your iPods and televisions and porno and all the rest of these meaningless objects, you do not have the moral grounds upon which to complain about the government blowing up buildings, eugenics, wars, depopulation, globalism, job loss, propaganda or anything else, because all of these things are fundamentally necessary in order to provide you with these objects. This system does not have the capacity to remain static, it is simply impossible. This is a basic fact. It must continue to develop in order to survive. That is the absolute fundamental nature of this technological reality, and no list of empirical facts, however long it may be, is capable of altering that definitive truth.



give it another 20-50 years,then watch the machines take over;
then watch ,we somehow got to build a time machine,the machines dont know about....... ?

possible.could happen.like terminator.

it's just.why dont we stop now,before we get ahead of ourselves ..before it's too late

Civilizations have thrived without the help of this so called 'help' from these groups. It's been outlined very clearly small groups want what they call a New World Order.

strange hacked planet.

if you think this then that takes over and then when you think about it it goes into collaboration or something and then does that while you want something ..

Fifteen minutes of rambling yakking that never gets to the point.

Tell that to NEO you fool. Of course it is a conspiracy for we live in a man made technological illusion based on human and land domination. To think anything otherwise is really stupid and sticking your head in the reality sand we know as the Matrix.

Wrong!!!! For I am part of the Great White Brotherhood that is what you call a "group" in the holographic flesh that has been technologically placed here to 'help' finish the capping of the New World Order which is really an old world order based on this below.

Hence, we are about as real as anything you have ever seen in this conspiracy you know as your life.



Last Edited by Gnostic Warrior on 12/18/2011 09:27 AM

This is our symbol below. Ever see this?



What about this?



You have never seen that anywhere, have you? LOL......

We needed to learn from our mistakes.

It was the only way out.

We took turns being "good/bad" each incarnation.



WHO I AM

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karma

all relates.. can't have good without the bad

technocrat the buzz word of the day

You mean the computer program for future maket analisis or some shit so no one will take resposeibillity,

mason,

Lot of fare easter hotties making bio-grems and selling market softwear

as well as many other throwaways just doing their job.