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National Guard Unit Stand-Down, Refusing to Answer Questionnaire Asking if They Would Use Lethal Force Against the American People

 
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OUTSTANDING!! I just left my neighbors house. Devon is with the National Guard for this area. He just got home from a EDRE (emergency deployment readiness exercise) at the armory. He said that during the exercise 3 companies of infantry were polled by questionare about the drill and it's purpose. One of the questions was, will you as a member of the Nat. Guard use lethal force against the American public if ordered to do so? One of the men stepped forward and refused to take the poll and explained that it was a moral judgement on his part and that he could not do so. He then placed his weapon on the ground and fell in behind the formation. Devon said it was like a waterfall, Every member layed their weapons on the deck and fell in beside the one lone specialist. This included ALL NCO's, STAFF NCO's and SENIOR NCO's. The only people left in front of the original formation was 3 Capt's. 2 Lt's and the BN Commander who was so upset he started having chest pains from yelling and screaming about court martials and disbandment of the unit into other units. Devon is a Mstr.Sgt and he went with his troops and told them that he could not be prouder of any of them. He was floating while he was telling me this. Maybe we have more than just hope on our side. SEMPER FI. my thanks for the honor of being here Robert
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I just heard from Devon. He was TX'd by his Plt LDR and advised that the Specialist Who first layed down his weapon is being held in county jail by the Bn CMDR, awaiting a hearing under the UCMJ. Devon couldn't get any more info than that. I don't want to post the mans name until we have more information. I am so upset by this that I am having chest pains. How can they do this to one soldier and not them all. I will let you know how things go. Think I might go lay down for a bit. SEMPER FI.
Gary Greene That is great, sort of, to hear. That the officers wont stand by THEIR oath is troubling. Where is this?


NOTE FROM STEWART RHODES:
Again, this is unconfirmed, and we are working on confirming it. Please keep that in mind. But this is certainly the kind of mass, whole-unit stand-down that may well become necessary, especially in light of the treason of the US Senate, which voted 93-7 to authorize military detention and trial of U.S. citizens -- claiming the power to apply the laws of war to the American people in the same way as they are used on a conquered, enemy population, like Iraq or Afghanistan. While National Guard units can, and have been used for riot control without violating their oath, we suspect that this survey was asking them about whether they would do something far worse than just keep the peace during riots. We will do our best to get to the bottom of this, and provide all details once confirmed.

If accurate, this is reminiscent of the stand-down during Katrina by SSGT Joshua May's Utah National Guard Unit, where the whole unit let their commander know, in a peremptory refusal, that they would not participate in any gun confiscation: Watch Video

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I so hope this is true.
John 8:32

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Getting concerned now...
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... WOW! ... AWESOME if confirmed that troops still part of citizens ...
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This is not good. I have put this thread on my watch list.
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I so hope this is true.
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This bears watching...bump
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If indeed a member of the NG is in jail for taking the high road....shame on the mindless fucks that would put him there.

There is an obligation to disobey immoral and illegal acts. The very idea of probing troops for a response to such a question speaks to the intent of the people who would order such a question be asked.

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I'm just a figment of your imagination ;-)
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If indeed a member of the NG is in jail for taking the high road....shame on the mindless fucks that would put him there.

There is an obligation to disobey immoral and illegal acts. The very idea of probing troops for a response to such a question speaks to the intent of the people who would order such a question be asked.
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Completely amazing!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think more people are going to realize our own military and law enforcement will be siding with the American people and against the Establishment.
"If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy"- James Madison

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strange that I can't link to YouTube dealing with this subject. the Link keeps coming up bad after putting it here.

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it is true for I got this same post from the man's sister... and it is ALL true... posted as "Martial law will FAIL'
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This is outrageous...

I just heard from Devon. He was TX’d by his Plt LDR and advised that the Specialist Who first layed down his weapon is being held in county jail by the Bn CMDR, awaiting a hearing under the UCMJ.

WTF!!!!!!!!
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Not everyone has the courage to stand alone by yourself.

The fact that the rest of the unit joined him is awesome.

That the US seems to be conducting random "tests" asking soldiers if they are willing to shoot their own countrymen is downright disturbing.



That the military is weeding out those that would have the balls to turn on their CO if ordered to fire upon civilians...

ahhh

If this somehow gets confirmed...GLP knows the drill with doom
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Not everyone has the courage to stand alone by yourself.

The fact that the rest of the unit joined him is awesome.

That the US seems to be conducting random "tests" asking soldiers if they are willing to shoot their own countrymen is downright disturbing.



That the military is weeding out those that would have the balls to turn on their CO if ordered to fire upon civilians...

ahhh

If this somehow gets confirmed...GLP knows the drill with doom
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This. I wonder what the ratio would be of National Guard versus active military as well, would it make a difference?
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and so it begins...bump
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For awareness
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I just got that from the Oath Keepers. This is great. It is encouraging to know that so many of our military know the Constitution enough to realize that obeying an unconstitutional order could bring serious consequences for them. These guys all need all the support we can give. If the first soldier was arrested for refusing to bear arms against American citizens, he needs all our help. I, for one, will be staying on top of this story through the Oath Keepers.
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Couldn't happen. A drilling Guard unit is not a federalized asset. The most they could bring on the specialist would be faliure to obey a lawful order (there was no order given here). The specialist would not be held in a county jail awaiting UCMJ. Pure make belive. I belive the term EDRE went out in the mid 80's.
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I so hope this is true.
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Heros ALL! True or not I know the fine men and women of the United States Military will defend the citizens of this nation from all ememies forign or domestic to the end. If it's not true though the OP will burn in hell in a very special fukushima hot place. Good to see you Rev!

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bsflag

Couldn't happen. A drilling Guard unit is not a federalized asset. The most they could bring on the specialist would be faliure to obey a lawful order (there was no order given here). The specialist would not be held in a county jail awaiting UCMJ. Pure make belive. I belive the term EDRE went out in the mid 80's.
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Well...Waiting for any response. It would be great if more information was presented that would help to lend more of a sound judgement...
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Completely amazing!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think more people are going to realize our own military and law enforcement will be siding with the American people and against the Establishment.
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I think you are right...but here is the problem..I dont think our troops would be the ones doing this...In the NORTHCOM agreement, the Canadian or Mexican soldiers would intervene here and our troops would be in either Canada or Mexico
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I spoke with a Lt Col recently about these issues. There are many officers who will also refuse.
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The scary part of this is that they didn't stand down until another man did. Suppose that man didn't exist in that unit? None of the others would have stood down because it has been shown that most people will do what they have to do if it's in furtherance of their "job" or "duty" or "order".

Most people will only stand down when somebody else does, which is scary in itself.
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True story, no lie but in Jan 09 I enlisted in army active duty and at MEPS when I swore in, one of the sgt's said its a privledge to join the army and he commends the ones standing before him and that "civiliansare stupid"... I was kicked out in basic training for failure to adapt (thank god)

Here are a few theories I have.

1. The ones who refuse will be jailed, the ones wanting to re-enlist will have to accept, or they too will be on a list. The remaining soldiers will be their pawns to detain and murder us.

2. It doesn't matter because Chinese troops and Iraq troops are already awaiting orders.
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The scary part of this is that they didn't stand down until another man did. Suppose that man didn't exist in that unit? None of the others would have stood down because it has been shown that most people will do what they have to do if it's in furtherance of their "job" or "duty" or "order".

Most people will only stand down when somebody else does, which is scary in itself.
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This story is a fairy tale, the fact that some organization called oathkeepers supposedly made up of military could make such errors in their story makes me wonder who the hell they really are and what their motive is. The poster who mentioned NORTHCOM is closer to what the real threat would be. The only DoD organiztion that would fire on US citizens is JSOC remember Waco.
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Thanks OP, here is the Oathkeepers interview...



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I so hope this is true.
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Heros ALL! True or not I know the fine men and women of the United States Military will defend the citizens of this nation from all ememies forign or domestic to the end. If it's not true though the OP will burn in hell in a very special fukushima hot place. Good to see you Rev!

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You too, dude.

I know a few military guys, mostly NG, and to a man, they say they will not turn their weapons on American civilians.

Barry's gonna have to get these idiots to do that dirty work.


John 8:32

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